Ron Artest wants out...
by cjl49 on Feb 2, 2011 2:04 PM PST
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Would you guys be interested in him at all, if you could package something together with say Reggie Williams or Vladimir Radmanovic? I feel like especially Reggie Williams could be pretty useful for the Lakers, as they really need some bench players that can score creatively. I don't think either Matt Barnes or Shannon Brown or Steve Blake can do that. meanwhile ron artest would move us in the direction of a bigger team, a more defensive minded team, and theres a possibility that he would do well in our offense.
i could see it working out. the only thing is he has a fat 4 year contract. any chance the lakers could use biedrins? after all theyve basically lost theo ratliff and biedrins is probably an upgrade there.
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maybe
I might be willing to take a chance on Artest, especially if we could get him for cheap.
Reggie wouldn’t work by himself because the salaries are too far apart. Maybe like GADzilla?
But can someone help me figure out Ron’s contract?
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm
looks like he has a player option 2012/13…but then if he takes it, does that mean the next year is gauranteed?
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
Vladman and Reggie ..
I know Vlads nothing, but a 7 mill expirings alright.. Would they bite on that? We could really use Ron’s defense off the bench, then Dorell doesn’t have to play nearly 40 minutes a night either..
Only problem is our chemistries really good atm and we all know Artest can be a hot head…
PFortyy :)
'11 Champs!
Phil isn’t taking back Bad Vlad “the space cadet.”
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
He’s a better player than Artest right now, with a much better contract.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Yea I don’t think that has anything to do with it. The Lakers don’t appear to care about spending lavishly, and Phil’s is the law of the land.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
I suspect
Phil isn’t really a much bigger fan of Artest than he ever was of Vlad. The Lakers may not care about spending lavishly, but they are getting pretty old and 3 more years of Artest is quite a long time. If they were able to get under the cap by dumping Artest and one or two other pieces they could almost certainly attract a free agent much better than Artest.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Ummm… Hell no! Hell no, and hell no again!
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 2:49 PM PST reply actions
Our expirings and Andris for Artest + fillers
I want him, badly
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Dude are you serious?
Artest is complete garbage now, and we have a gaping hole at center with that trade.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Huge defensive upgrade on the wing
Gives Ekpe more time to develop and with tons of good FA centers this year we can sign someone
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Artest has sucked really hard this year.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 2, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
On offense
He’s still a great defender
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
great is a stretch
he’s inconsistent for sure.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 2, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
"and with tons of good FA centers this year we can sign someone"
by homer simpson on Feb 2, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
If we traded all our expirings
Wouldn’t we get the MLE? 7 mil a year plus a player option in 2-3 years would get us someone. Perkins is coming off an injury so he won’t get as much as say Chandler
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
the MLE is less than $6 mill a year. Jermaine O’neal at roughly age 9203420398 with 2 bum knees got $6 mill a year last offseason. if Boston was willing to give Jermaine that, surely they think Perkins is worth more.
by homer simpson on Feb 2, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
the MLE
is something every team has, regardless of their cap position. It allows you to sign someone up to whatever it is (usually between $5.5 and $6 million) even if you’re over the salary cap, unless it brings you to the hard cap (around $90 million)
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
really?? I always thought they had one
there’s one in 2k11 haha :)
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
They have a salary cap and a luxury tax line.
by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
o alright thx for the clarification
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Chandler is not going to be in our price range. I’m still hopeful for Perkins, but its not real likely. Sam Dalembert is probably the best defense/rebounding center in our price range.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Which is basically like having Biedrins….
by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
what do you think of this?
artest and bynum for andris and monta.
I might consider that.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Bynum is too injury prone to trade Monta for imo
For all we know we could be trading Monta for a guy who plays 50 games in 2 years for us.
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Maybe, but 50 games of Bynum probably racks up as many wins for us as 150 games of Monta. And if Bynum stays totally healthy, and just continues at his current level of production, it’s a ridiculous pillaging in our favor. Middle ground — Bynum plays 50 games a year — and it’s still a huge win for us.
More realistically: there’s no way LA is insane enough to give us Bynum for Monta.
There will be no extra point!
And if Bynum stays totally healthy…
I really doubt this will ever happen.
I love Bynum when he’s playing, but Dubs are not strong enough to survive with a second string replacement (note: our guy would NOT be Pau)
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 2, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
artest and bynum for andris and monta.
Well, let’s acknowledge that Artest is complete garbage / toast as a player, a possible clubhouse cancer, and an $7M albatross for the next four years. Still: I’d do this deal in a heartbeat. Magic did say the Lakers needed a shakeup, and Kobe is supposed to be a big fan of Monta…
As long as we’re taking on washed-up scrubs, I’d almost rather have Luke Walton and/or Derek Fisher than Artest. Shorter contracts, fewer headaches. But really, whatever bitter pill LA might ask us to swallow as part of Bynum-Biedrins-Monta deal I’d swallow gladly.
There will be no extra point!
Artest is done.. But where is the link that says he wants out
by macdreboi on Feb 2, 2011 2:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions
MT2 and Damon Bruce mentioned something about Ron on DB's show.
I think they were joking around though. Once that interview was done, Artest immediately tweeted that he didn’t want to be traded.
I think if Artest really wanted out, really wanted to play for the Warriors, and an actual trade was done, then I think he could really help this team.
That is key though: “wanting to play for the dubz”.
It would give Artest an actual goal which I think he is lacking with the Lakers now and a precedence of drive that he is missing. I would think Artest is thinking, “okay if i get another ring with the Lakers. Big deal…BFD”
Wouldn’t you rather have a drive of trying to prove to the world that you can help a team that hasn’t seen the championship since 1975?
That’s only if Artest cared about any of that. Like how annoyed Kobe was of his critics that he couldn’t win a championship without Shaq.
If I were Lacob and an opportunity like this came up, I think I would reject it unless I had a good relationship with Artest. I wouldn’t want to take a chance on a player with mental inconsistencies that goes along with the unknown on how productive he could be with this team.
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 2, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I would be careful about betting too strongly
On Artest (or really any players) improvement after leaving the Lakers.
I’m thinking specifically about Ariza.
I could be wrong here, but I can’t think of any players in recent memory that struggled while playing for the Lakers, and then got traded and started blowing it up
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 2, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Ariza did pretty good with Houston though right?
This year you could say that. Pretty inconsistent so far this season.
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 2, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
His scoring efficiency plummeted to killer levels with Houston. Pretty much exactly where it is now….
by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Artest would be a coup!
I can see Lakers liking your trade idea too – but we may need to give up more. Artest would solve many of our problems on defense and boards.
I don’t think he is done, the guy’s head is not into it this year – a much bigger issue than his age or anything else healthwise.
Doesn’t Artest have 3 years and another 22 million or so on his contract after this year? I wouldn’t even give expiring contracts for him if thats the case. I can’t see many teams having any interest in Artest if Bynum isn’t a part of the deal. My guess is that if he’s traded it will look something like Artest+Bynum for Brad Miller+Battier+Jeffries.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Battier on the Lakers…the rich get richer. Sometimes I hate the NBA.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
Yea, I think that deal would help the Lakers a lot. Miller doesn’t rebound well and he’s a downgrade from Bynum both offensively and defensively, but he’s an excellent passer which would probably make him a nice fit there. I think Battier gives them a pretty big upgrade over Artest at this point. He’s not much of an offensive threat, but he doesn’t take bad shots either and he’s probably still a better defensive player than Artest. Its not unreasonable to think that even Jeffries could help them a bit by giving them a little more length and defense off the bench. It sure seems like Battier and Miller would have a much more calming effect on the team chemistry than Artest. Losing Bynum hurts their future, but dumping Artest’s contract helps and its never been all that difficult to lure free agents to the Lakers. I think Blake, Kobe, Battier, Odom, Gasol, Fisher, Brown, Barnes, Miller is a slightly better, and more stable, rotation for the playoffs than what they are throwing out right now.
Its been mentioned that Artest and Adelman get along fairly well so if any team would be willing to take on Artest’s next 3 years and hope to coax a little bit of production out of him I think it might be Houston. Obviously Bynum is the real reason why they make this deal as he gives them a replacement for Yao and another young piece to build on with Brooks/Lowry and Scola. I don’t love it for Houston as I’m not a big Bynum fan, but I could see why they might like it.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
"Losing Bynum hurts their future."
What if they somehow got AR from the Knicks too?
Brad Miller, Battier, and AR. Think Kobe would be happy with that?
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 2, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
And no one's mentioning....Artest is one of the worst players in the NBA right now...
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
so the lakers have 3 of the worst players in the nba
artest, fisher and walton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes
all 3 of those guys are really bad. But they also have three of the best players in the NBA.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Yeah.
And 2 of them are bigs which is key.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Vlad Rad >>>>>> Artest
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 3:32 PM PST reply actions
No homer.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree
you, sir, have earned this award today
Vlad is playing way over his head right now, and Artest is in a slump. I still think you would be hard-pressed to find someone (no Homers) who would object to a one-for-one Artest for Vlad trade
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 2, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
I still think you would be hard-pressed to find someone (no Homers) who would object to a one-for-one Artest for Vlad trade
A good NBA GM who would rather let 7 million expire while keeping a decent backup wing over acquiring a lunatic who can’t play anymore and has 3 years left on his contract?
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
ok, I got no problem with that point
But it’s salary-related…does not mean
Vlad Rad >>>>>> Artest
I could very well be wrong, Artest may not get back to form
And also…DAMN..how much did Vlad change everyone’s opinion when he hit that game winner? A few months ago, I would have traded Vlad for a box of old tomatoes
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 2, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
It's not that Vlad hit a buzzer beater.
It’s just not hard to be better than Ron Artest has been this season.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
I’d still probably trade Vlad for a box of old tomatoes, but Artest is worse than that.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
ok, I am convinced
I did not realize he was already so old…and that his contract went out so far!
Ron Artest is in the second season of a five-year deal with the Los Angeles Lakers and the 31-year-old’s not having the greatest of years, averaging only 8.1 points and 2.9 rebounds per game.
-some article
but I do think he’ll recover (at least a little) from his current slump. If he had a contract that was a couple of years shorter, then I would be in. I still like him as a player, but that may be mostly based on historical inertia
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 3, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
but I should also admit the Artest’s salary is a deal breaker
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 2, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
How old is RonRon these days?
Maybe he’s run into the age wall? I’d probably do Montay for RonRon and Odom? :>)
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 2, 2011 3:36 PM PST reply actions
Yea, I don’t think LA would trade Odom and especially not if they weren’t getting a big guy back, but that thought did cross my mind. I’m also not sure how Monta would fit there with Kobe and Gasol demanding the bulk of the shots and Shannon Brown already there as a pretty good scoring combo guard off the bench.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
That'd be a good trade for us.
Odom and Lee would be a good frontcourt.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
still leaves a lot to be desired on the defensive end
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Odom's a pretty good defender.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
yea I didnt mean to say he was, its just that there’s no real rim protector there. I’m with supafishal on this one in thinking that both are better playing next to a bigger and more defensive minded center.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
I wish I could say "no"
in fewer characters.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
D;
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
here
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
by sam23 on Feb 2, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
that's what makes him such a good actor
"Thank goodness for Stephen Curry, Ekpe Udoh, David Lee and Dorell Wright, because they’re the only positives we’ve got going forward."- Warriors "fan"
Thew new GSOM strategy!
Big name, been going downhill for several years …
hey, he’s still a big name! Let’s go get him! I remember him being good!
You know, Kareem’s a free agent these days …
I think that's better known as
The Cleveland Cavaliers Strategy
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 2, 2011 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
holy hell, please no...
I’d give up Gadz or Vlad at most. Nothing else. Artest is crazy and passed his prime and his contract sucks. I would like him on the team…but for cheap!
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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The only player i'd consider trading him for is Charlie Bell, but that'd be too much anyway...
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 5:50 PM PST reply actions
being a hardcore Laker fan
I can say they’d probably never consider this deal, no offense. Their SF position is relatively weak (Barnes’ injuries, and Luke Walton’s being Luke Walton), and Reggie won’t really help that out (he’s a 2, and the Lakers already have Shannon Brown, who’s a lot better). The biggest problem for the Lakers currently is on the defensive end, and as bad as Ron Artest has been this year, he’s still light years ahead of Reggie and Vlad on the defensive end.
As for the other proposed trade of Monta + Biedrins for Artest + Bynum, that trade would instantly make the Warriors a playoff team (might be too late this year, but next year for sure) but the Lakers would absolutely never even consider this. There’s no room for Monta to get his shots (the only way he’s effective) between Kobe and Pau, and he’s much improved but not yet a great spot up shooter (which the Triangle fairly heavily relies upon). On the other end, Andrew Bynum, when healthy, is arguably the 2nd best center in the game (behind Dwight Howard) and they’d lose him for a Biedrins fella that has played, quite simply, horribly for the past two seasons, and who doesn’t have the physical or mental toughness to man the post for the Lakers in a deep playoff run.
The Laker fan in me is slowly getting tired of watching Ron do everything, well, slowly and badly, and the Warriors fan in me knows that we shouldn’t get him. His contract is pretty awful and we want to continue to see D. Wright develop at the 3, not get hindered due to the minutes Artest would gobble up. Interesting idea, but I just don’t see it happening on either side.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Like I said I’m down on Bynum a lot more than most, but I really dont see
Curry/Law
Reggie/Bell
Wright/Vlad
Lee/Udoh
Bynum/Amundson
instantly becoming a playoff team. Even if Bynum is healthy there’s not much depth there, especially on the wing.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
I actually think
this team is very capable of making the Playoffs on a consistent basis. All the major players are young and have a lot of potential. We have a PG with all-star potential, an all-star caliber PF who plays high post, an all-star Center (if he wasn’t always injured) who dominates the low post, a great, complementary SF who can spread the floor and slash to the rim to complement above average defense. We have Reggie who can spread the floor and control, and Udoh and Amundson giving good minutes down low on the bench. We’d probably need a better starting SG and bring Reggie off the bench if we don’t want to just get swept in the Playoffs, but we’d be in a much better position with this team. By the way, in the proposed trade, the Warriors would also receive Ron Artest.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
I see a playoff team with that lineup. I honestly don’t think we’re that far off as is, and Bynum solves a lot of our problems.
by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2011 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
yeah but Bynum is never healthy
"Thank goodness for Stephen Curry, Ekpe Udoh, David Lee and Dorell Wright, because they’re the only positives we’ve got going forward."- Warriors "fan"
if he was I’d probably take Brown+Bynum+Artest for Monta and Biedrins or something like that, but I don’t see a point.
"Thank goodness for Stephen Curry, Ekpe Udoh, David Lee and Dorell Wright, because they’re the only positives we’ve got going forward."- Warriors "fan"
Of course.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
I like how you dedicate 10 minutes of your time
to reply to all posts I make with 1 sentence. Makes me feel important
"Thank goodness for Stephen Curry, Ekpe Udoh, David Lee and Dorell Wright, because they’re the only positives we’ve got going forward."- Warriors "fan"
Curry/Reggie is worse defensively than Curry/Monta. So even if Bynum were somehow healthy, he’d be rotating constantly to soak up all the dribble penetration…and…he’d…probably…blow his knee out doing it.
Maybe we could keep him in a cryo-freeze until we could acquire another 2 guard?
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
People keep saying that but the results with Reggie and Curry are much better defensively than Monta and Curry...
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 3, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
hah
“One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal.”- Josh Tucker
Made me laugh.
But I think you should be banned for being a fan of the Lakers and Warriors. That’s just wrong. Sorry bud, otherwise you seem swell…
:D
haha i get that all the time. For some reason, I just love them both lol
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
I hope you're from LA
If that’s the case, I can respect you for recognizing the greatness of the bay.
If you’re from the bay and like the lakers……
by tafkasam on Feb 2, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
well, the latter =D haha
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Ron is unhappy.
He’s also known to change his mind repeatedly. If he were unhappy, I really don’t think he’d be any happier coming here. He probably wouldn’t even be the guaranteed starting small forward. It’s a worse team with no championship aspirations and he has a home in LA which I’m sure he would prefer to the Bay Area. He certainly seems like that type of person.
There are so many things that make a trade for him impossible. For one, we have nothing the Lakers could actually need or want when replacing Ron. Vlad? They dumped him for Shannon Brown and Adam Morrison a couple years ago. Reggie? Shannon can do more. Gadz? Garbage. We don’t even have a pick (something the Lakers are not looking for anyway). We also don’t know if the Lakers actually have any intention of trading Ron. They’re a championship caliber team (yes, still) and when you’re the team trading an unhappy player, you don’t get equal value, and that would be a poor decision on their part when it’d be hard to get anything decent back. So, at this point, I highly doubt they’re actually going to trade him. As for Bynum, some of you dream funny dreams. In addition, he’s not really a good fit (rather slow) for our offense and his defense won’t be any better here than it’s been in LA this season (unhappy, unmotivated). Why would we want him?
I'm looking forward to the Warriors being led to the playoffs by Monta Ellis AND Stephen Curry.
I wonder if we could trade our pick next year on the condition that they only get it if it IS a lottery pick….
by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think so
we still owe a pick to New Jersey (lottery-protected, I think) from hella years ago, so I don’t think we can trade any of our first-rounders until we give up that one
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Well that’s what I’m saying, we owe a lottery protected pick to NJ next year (it gets a little more complicated than that). So if we’re not in the lottery, NJ gets it. I wonder if we can trade it on the condition that we are in the lottery (in which case, it is our pick). I guess it would invoke the “can’t trade consecutive 1st rounders” rule since we owe NJ a pick after next year if they don’t get it from us this year….
by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
I think we only owe them 2nd rounders if we have a top 10 pick the next 2 or 3 years.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Freakin Warrior GM's of the past!! Always screwing us over haha
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
It is an interesting development. Normally, you’d think putting lottery protections on a pick and developing a plan so it could possibly only end up being a 2nd rounder could only benefit the Warriors. But with this no trading 2 consecutive 1st rounders rule, it essentially destroys our ability to include a 1st round pick in a trade. It’s funny to me how something that should only be a positive turns into a negative. Law of unintended consequences, indeed!
by Missing Barry on Feb 3, 2011 5:16 AM PST up reply actions
Right, but that it could be a 1st rounder is enough to limit our trade flexibility.
by Missing Barry on Feb 3, 2011 5:14 AM PST up reply actions
If we could...
I wouldn’t really want to use it on Ron. But that would be interesting to know.
I'm looking forward to the Warriors being led to the playoffs by Monta Ellis AND Stephen Curry.
Good. I hope they never win another basketball team. Those fans, that city, and that owner deserve it.
by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Nooooo thanks
"Thank goodness for Stephen Curry, Ekpe Udoh, David Lee and Dorell Wright, because they’re the only positives we’ve got going forward."- Warriors "fan"
Ron Artest wants out…
sure, door is that way.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Feb 2, 2011 8:09 PM PST reply actions
Personally, I believe in comebacks and redemption
Ron at his top for is still better than anyone on this roster. I don’t think he’ll reach that but he can be good.
That said, he needs to find motivation and I feel that’ll only come on a playoff team he’s probably the 3rd option on. Someone like Orlando, Atlanta etc. Someone who won’t want him.
Ron at his top is better than anyone on this roster at what? Defense? Sure. But he’s 31….
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
I see at as a big risk if we did it
Just like trading for Jackson, if we get the good version we luck out. If not we may be screwed
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
I don’t think the good version of Artest was really all that good, honestly. He wasn’t a very good offensive player at any point of his career….
by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
04-05 :)
"Thank goodness for Stephen Curry, Ekpe Udoh, David Lee and Dorell Wright, because they’re the only positives we’ve got going forward."- Warriors "fan"
Ha, fair enough, over that 7 game stint, he made an excellent number of the shots he took (60.8% TS%!)! Of course, we know what else happened that year (and why he only played 7 games)…. ;)
by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
meh
Who cares if he had a mediocre TS% when he held his opponents to a much lower one.
He shot too much.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 2, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
Right, he definitely contributed to his team winning, but we’re all on board with the fact that both offense and defense matter, right? And of course one of Ron’s problems on offense is he’s never been able to play within the limits of what he can do, which really, really makes the problem worse. When Joel Anthony doesn’t shoot, he’s not doing any harm and the Heat get the benefit of his defense. Unfortunately, Ron has never figured out he shouldn’t be shooting….
by Missing Barry on Feb 3, 2011 5:18 AM PST up reply actions
Well I didn't say I'd want him
Cause he won’t find motivation in GSW.
Fountain of youth ain’t here neither. He’s been in decline for a few years now, which is more or less exactly what you’d expect at his age, motivation or no motivation.
I do think the triangle + phil jackson has gotten in his head
so while I don’t expect him to return to his prime years, a better situation could get better overall production.
Irrelevant to Warriors though, because I don’t want him, nor do I think he’d be good for us.
If monta were to be traded to the lakers,
my head would explode. I would have no idea what to do. A Player I love so much, going to a team I dislike with the same amount of passion. dfgkjlsdfg
by FromtheBaytotheBayState on Feb 2, 2011 10:56 PM PST reply actions
Don’t worry, they already have a SG. Some guy named Bobe or something?
by Missing Barry on Feb 3, 2011 5:19 AM PST up reply actions
they already have a SG.
and Shannon Brown waiting for his turn
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 3, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Ha, I could play PG in the triangle for the Lakers. Good point.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
If monta were to be traded to the lakers, my head would explode. I would have no idea what to do. A Player I love so much, going to a team I dislike with the same amount of passion.
Haha, Don’t worry, there’s no way they want Montay. in LA size matters.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 3, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Only if Bynum were part of the package
and then still, I would want a favorable deal. Haven’t looked at the contracts, I know Artest has a fatty- so maybe Biedrins, and Brandan Wright for Artest and Bynum.
I’d do that.
Super Bowl XXIV: 49ers 55 - Broncos 10
lol
yeah, and i would trade jeremy lin for lebron james.
Don't be silly
the contract differential wouldn’t let it happen.
Actually, if I was the Lakers, it’s not such an out of the world proposal. I wouldn’t do it if I was them, but unloading that Artest contract would be huge for them.
Super Bowl XXIV: 49ers 55 - Broncos 10
. I wouldn’t do it if I was them, but unloading that Artest contract would be huge for them.
Haha, JeremyLin for Artest would make Lin a warriors fav for life. Ronron even in his old age would be a shot in the arm for our defense. Of course the price would be high so they’d also have to take Dre and give us Bynum to even out the deal.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 9, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Ronron even in his old age would be a shot in the arm for our defense.
He’d also be a shot to Lacob’s head from my .357
Under no acceptable circumstances should anybody want Ron Artest right now. He’s got an ugly contract, an ugly reputation, and an ugly game. I’d want to murder Lacob, revive him and murder him again if he ever even considered doing this.
an ugly reputation?
you have not been around basketball long enough to know the respect Ronron has earned around the league from the guys he’s guarded over the years?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 11, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
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