2010-2011 Golden State Warriors All-Star Break Report Cards
The wins might not be there yet, but the Dubs got skills.
There are no All-Stars on this team, but that doesn't mean there aren't some very real positives to take from this edition of Warriors basketball.
Before we get the report card party started, flip back to the preview madness from just a few short months ago:
:: GSoM's 2010-2011 Golden State Warriors Preview: A new beginning, but is it smart? ::
(Do I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about or what?)
It can only get better, so JUMP!
STARTING 5
With Andris Biedrins still starting, the Warriors starting 5 is really a starting 4.
Stephen Curry: B
Stef-fun's got the skills, but they're getting lost on most nights with Coach Keith Smart's questionable usage of him and Monta's high usage rates. It's frustrating to see this team's best player being so dramatically underutilized, but Curry is still putting up 18 ppg and 6 apg, above 40% from downtown, picking 1.7 pockets per game and leading the league percentage-wise from the charity stripe. The turnovers and fouls are another big obstacle that Curry needs to overcome post All-Star break, but all bets are on. Last season post All-Star break he put up 22 ppg, 7.7 apg, 5.5 rpg, and 2 steals.
Monta Ellis: A-
Monta has been simply amazing. He has been a scoring machine with reasonable efficiency (thanks to an improved 3pt shot). The turnovers have been cut down as well. Who would've ever thought Moped Ellis would bounce back like this? Give him all the credit in the world. I never would've predicted this. His game is far from perfect, but he was a very deserving 2011 Western Conference All-Star. It's too bad he didn't make it, but that's why they call it the Wild Wild West- it's just a loaded conference. Let's hope the minutes don't catch up to him post All-Star break. If the Warriors are going to sniff the playoffs, they're going to need a lot of big nights from #8.
Dorell Wright: A
This is the Wright stuff baby. Dorell (that's 1 R, 2 L's, several Warrior Wonders, and likely the league's Most Improved Player winner) is making Larry Riley look like a genius every day. I remained impressed by his all-around game. His stroke from downtown is just money.
David Lee: C
I will not fault Lee for the effort, hustle, or leadership one bit. I'll take him on my team any day of the week. Unfortunately since some of his old friends in New York don't seem to brush their teeth too regularly we haven't seen enough from Lee. 16-9-3 is nice from a big man, but not from an $80 dollar man who isn't exactly setting the world on fire with defense. I'm expecting a big post All-Star push from Lee. He's much better than he's played.
Andris Biedrins: F
Biedrins is the weakest link in the starting 5 by far. It's time to face the facts, Nellie haters. Biedrins peaked under Don Nelson 3 years ago. PEAKED. Thank you Chris Mullin for blowing up WE BELIEVE to secure a mythically bright future led by this "franchise cornerstone" soft big man who can't defend a single decent power forward or center in this league mano y mano, plays scared, can't get to the free throw (actually at 33.3% from the charity stripe maybe that's a good thing), sends opposing players to the free throw line for easy shots (there's a reason they're called FREE throws) with the same lazy defense, gets less than 1 block a game, and has done very little to improve his game in 3+ years. The rebounding rate doesn't make up for all those weaknesses. Biedrins has one of the worst contracts in the entire league. Age ain't nothing but a number when you have as little commitment to improving your game as he's shown.
BENCH
Orange chrome rims. Nice.
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Ekpe Udoh: B-
I dig the defensive intensity and hustle. I fear the lack of rebounding. I'm looking forward to some more surprising offensive smoothness. I'm still terrified the Warrior should've taken Greg Monroe.
Reggie Williams: C-
The 3pt percentage is up to an impressive 42.8%, but there really hasn't been any tangible improvement in Reggie's game compared to his first under Nellie. You could make a good case that it's actually regressed a little. On most good teams he'd probably be a nice 11th or 12th man.
Vladimir Radmanovic: C+
There's a reason Nellie would never play this guy. Give Coach Smart some credit here though, he's found a role for Vlad Rad and Radmanovic has responded with some big moments.
Acie Law: C
Has there been anything great? No. Has there been anything horrible? No.
Jeremy Lin: C
Seriously what did you expect from an undrafted rookie? Lin isn't quite ready for the NBA, but that's fine. He's hustling on defense and he had a nice stint in the D-League recently. In the long run this will work out, but for now Lin is WE BELIEVE Adonal Foyle 2.0.
Brandan Wright: F
You really have to wonder if the guy likes playing basketball. He strikes me as one of those kids who was forced to play basketball because he was tall. In year 4 Brandan is still the wrong Wright. He still looks soft, listless, and uninterested during rare instances of playing time. I might know the Warriors playbook better than him. (Hey Mullin, Robert Rowell, and Chris Cohan- Thanks for that cheap and dumb Jason Richardson trade!) Again another player who peaked under Nellie.
Louis Amundson: F
There's been injuries, but the Warriors somewhat-lauded late offseason signing has amounted to nothing so far.
Charlie Bell: F
Don't drink and drive folks. It'll earn you a big, fat F from b-rate hoops writers who get by on rare good jokes.
Dan Gadzuric: B
It's stunning why Gadzuric doesn't get more playing time. He hustles like Biedrins should. He defends like Biedrins should. He plays with fierceness that Biedrins should. I bet Nellie would start Gadzuric instead of gift wrapping that starting spot to Biedrins for no particular reason.
Rodney Carney/ Jeff Adrien: Good luck fellas.
That was quick.
COACH + GM
Coach Keith Smart: B-
The continued under utilization of Curry, the overuse of Ellis, the lack of pick and rolls with Curry and Lee, and the stubborn insistence of playing Biedrins are worrisome. Very worrisome. But let's not hate on a coach that has this Warriors team (factoring in Lee's injury) just 3 games below .500. It's going to be really interesting to see how the rest of this season plays out under Coach Smart.
GM Larry Riley: B+
Turning DNP's Anthony Randolph (Still doesn't know how to play winning basketball about going to basketball Siberia with the Minnesota TImberwolves. By the way another player that PEAKED under Nellie!), Kelenna Azubuike (really sad injury issues), and Ronny Turiaf into David Lee was fantastic. (Just wait till Lee gets in the groove.) Inking Dorell Wright to a 3 year $11.5 million deal was unreal. There's a reason you don't hear basketball dummies whining about Mullin's deserved firing from the Warriors front office anymore. There's a reason you don't hear Nellie haters dismissing Riley as a puppet anymore. I'm excited to see what Riley can do with a real owner. I just hope that Udoh draft pick doesn't come back to haunt everyone.
How would you grade the Warriors pre All-Star break?
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Keith a B-???
This team has performed better than expected in spite of him. He’s been a moron this year and deserves a C- at best. Good players coach, can’t figure out rotations.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Feb 21, 2011 10:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
being a good players coach is half the battle these days
or do youw ant monta crying in the locker room, beans talking smack on international papers, TMNT demanding a trade and etc etc etc.
in terms of rotations… yeah, not the best.
but great half court plays. Occasionally good defensive schemes. Good motivator. And the rotations are improving
Goal: 8 seed!
How do you figure?
Lets give him credit for the positive locker room and re-vitalizing Monta. There are negatives but also positives. B- is fair
+1
Sure, it could be better, but things are really not that horrible under Smart.
Gripe about Steph all you want, the reality is that he earned most of that bench time. Stupid, stupid TOs, foul trouble, and those nagging ankle injuries.
Smart has proven pretty worthy IMO.
He has started to get some production from the bench, and has been kinda vindicated for his trust in Vlad.
Still, plenty of questions remain about his rotations, and his unwillingness to play certain guys who appear to be productive.
So yeah, slightly above average!
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
Smart is a rookie head coach and, just like a rookie player, might deserve a little time to figure it out. He seems to be getting better and better with the rotations.
I’m really impressed with the improved attitude (especially Eliis) and effort this year, as well as the improved record. From everything I’ve heard and read, it sounds like he deserves a lot of the credit for the emergance of Wright as a legit NBA starter, too.
The thong is, it happened.
right when i was about to sleep too haha
good stuff. Beans will get it right. He’s been, ever so slowly, trending towards a more confident style of play. We need to use these epxirings though to get someone like Nene who can give us more bang in the low post.
Goal: 8 seed!
I predicted F's for Smart, Lou, Biedrins, and Wright once i saw the author.
Really surprised Smart got a B- since you criticized him so much lol.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 21, 2011 10:56 PM PST reply actions
Curry: A
Ellis: B-
Dorell: B+
Lee: C-
Biedrins: C
Reggie: B
Udoh: C
Brandan: B
Law: F
Thor: C-
Gadz: D+
Bell: F
Lin: C-
Radman: C
Adrien: B-
Coach Smart: D
Horrible job until last month. And last month has been average so it’s not like i see him turning the corner much. (and pretty much this about his rotations and Curry hate)
Riley: C+
Looks like he kinda screwed up on the Lee deal especially when the coach won’t even play to his strengths. So Lee if he played similarly to last season, i’d say would be close to his 80 million dollar contract. Then you figure we gave up AR, Turiaf, and 2 second round picks, and Lee’s not playing well?? Not too good.
Dorell was a great signing. Amundson was a good signing, we really needed big man depth and he’s cheap and only guy on the team really who combines defense and rebounding together.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 21, 2011 11:22 PM PST reply actions
He plays defense and rebounds.
Even if he’s been such a tentative player offensively and with regards to fouls, i think he deserves a C.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 21, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
Plays defense?
Once every 10 or so games
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Bullcrap. He changes shots regularly and is one of the top 3 rebounders in the league. Nobody complained a lot about Morrow, despite him sucking at other things, because he was so good at that one. Biedrins is good at two absolutely essential things: rebounding and changing shots. The guy is pretty mobile with great hands. He does a lot on defense, and people don’t appreciate that defense is half the game.
Granted, I’m frustrated with his playing scared, but he’s young, so I’m not terribly shocked or disappointed. A little disappointed, yes, but when it comes to young guys, I’m pretty patient.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Ammo was a specialist though
He was asked to do 1 thing and 1 thing only . Shoot
Andris is asked to get 10 and 10. Instead he gets 5 and 8
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Well said
People want to criticize Monta for trying to do ‘too much’. Give me a guy who cares and tries 11 times out of 10 over the scared, lazy one who is afraid to play.
I don’t understand how anyone can pass Andris. He’s been terrible. His whole game is a joke. He won’t role to the hoop, yet people blame Smart for no pick and roles. The whole team mentions it too ‘we need to get Andris more involved to get his confidence up’. Am I the only one completely disgusted by that statement? Do you see Monta, Curry, Dorell, Lee going into depression over 1-2 bad games? Did monta fall apart after his 2 point game? How about Lee after he was embarrassed v. PHoenix? No he said “I need to work harder”.
I’m 100% tired of the mentality, Andris is ‘ok’ or ‘mediocre’ or ‘not that bad’ because he still rebounds. He doesn’t even attempt to play basketball most nights. He is insanely foul prone on defense. And on offense, I mean does he even try on offense?
I’m not asking for much out of Andris, just to play like he’s a professional.
One side note: His whole new ‘finesse’ game is a joke. I’d be a little more excited about the lefty hook etc. if he would occasionally throw it down hard and go aggressively to the rim like he used to 3 years ago. Instead we all know what the point of it is, it’s painfully pathetic, it’s an excuse to not make contact cause of his FT-phobia.
HIS FT attempts have gone down from 4.2 per 36 to 0.8. AKA Lowest in NBA for any center. Lower than 3 point shooter Channing Frye.
"Professionals."
If you need to worry about confidence, they shouldn’t be on the court.
I'm looking forward to the Warriors being led to the playoffs by Monta Ellis AND Stephen Curry.
Wait… so we’re judging him by what he’s asked to do? Shouldn’t we judge him according to how much he contributes? Defensive rebounds and changing shots in the middle are more essential to defense as 3 point shooting is to offense.
We might also consider his offensive rebounds, lack of TO’s and the improvement he’s made in his FT shooting form.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
I don't care about improved form if he cant get to the line or make a shot
If someone is a specialist at 1 thing and really good at it isn’t he contributing at what he needs to contribute too?
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
What all players need to contribute to is winning. Andris does that with his defense and rebounds.
As far as form, the coaches for the Warriors very much cared about form and with good reason. The way Andris was shooting it before, he was never going to get better. He now has upside that he was completely lacking.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
The only negative aspect to the DLee sign and trade
Is his 80 mil price tag.
The pieces we gave up for him really boils down to Turiaf… AR and an injured Kaz don’t carry much in basketball value right now.
by Goldenstarter on Feb 22, 2011 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
with
curry leading all NBA guards in fouls at 3.2 a game, I take issue with the A grade
and who’s Thor? lol
Thor=Amundson
…it’s his chosen nickname for some reason
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Curry: B
Ellis: A
Dorell: B+
Lee: B-
Biedrins: D
Reggie: C+
Udoh: B-
Brandan: C-
Law: D+
Gadz: D
Bell: f
Lin: d-
Radman: C
Adrien: B-
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Don't you think B- is a little high for Lee?
And Dorell better than Steph! Blasphemy!
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 21, 2011 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Expectations
No one expected DW to be this good or Lee to be a 16 and 9 guy (or at least hope). Steph has been to inconsistent for my liking.
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Monta's Wife: A+
I only state this because he gives her so much credit every chance he gets! Apparently she has just as much to do as his new found leadership as Coach Smart does.
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Monta's Wife: A+ Apparently she has just as much to do as his new found leadership as Coach Smart does.
Yeah, MrsOfficer is our team MVP .
Say what you want about Montay’s judgement but he got the most important thing right.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Curry: A-
Ellis: B+
Dorell: B+
Lee: C
Biedrins: D
Reggie: B-
Udoh: C+
Vlad: C-
Lou: C
Lin: D+
Law: D+
Bell: F
BWright: Painfully incomplete
Smart: D+
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 21, 2011 11:34 PM PST reply actions
I might as well
Curry: B (our best player, so he’s held with higher expectations, and he’s been terribly misused)
Ellis: A (gotta hand it to him, i’m surprised. imo, we’d still be better off without him, but he’s proven his abilities on the offensive end)
Dorell: A+ (still has bonehead moves/plays, but considering he’s been a benchwarmer his entire career and now posting these insane kind of numbers on such little expectations and cheap contract, he deserves to be top of the class)
Lee: B- (gives great energy, seems like an incredible glue guy, hitting an offensive stride, slowly recovering from the vampire incident to become the player who deserves that $80 million, but the first half was disappointing)
Biedrins: F (no way around it, he’s disinterested, has no will to play, and we owe him another $27 million over 3 years after this season)
Reggie: D (he’s picked it up as of late, but has been a huge disappointment thus far. he’s overall playing worse than last year, has less and less of an impact on our games, and i’ll never forgive him for being the main reason the warriors let go of Morrow)
Udoh: B (get this guy more minutes, he’s shown flashes of brilliance on the low post both offensively and defensively and seems to have a lot of potential out there. rebounding is a concern, but the positives outweigh negatives here)
Vlad: C (just not a good player, but i appreciate all the great moments he’s’ had)
Lou: incomplete (I was really looking forward to seeing his energy and hustle this season, but i almost haven’t seen him at all. get well soon and give him some more minutes alongside udoh off the bench)
Lin: D+ (heartwarming story, but started off embarrassingly bad, his stint in the d-league recently as well as his minor minutes since being called up show promise)
Law: C+ (he gives 100% every night, all the time. he deserves to be in this league but unfortunately injuries have and still are derailing his career)
Bell: F (hasn’t done anything attention-worthy, nor do i expect him to, although he’s shown something in limited minutes of recent games)
B. Wright: incomplete (he shows flashes of brilliance on the post and displays his length very intimidatingly at times, but he gets such little minutes and too often disappears on the court that i don’t know what to make of him)
Keith Smart: F (not gonna elaborate, but he gets a well-deserved F, we’d be above .500 with any other coach in the league, Don Nelson would’ve done wonders this year with this group)
I’m hoping for a push for the playoffs, if only to give us momentum and attractiveness to free agents heading into next season.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Reggie: D (he’s picked it up as of late, but has been a huge disappointment thus far. he’s overall playing worse than last year, has less and less of an impact on our games, and i’ll never forgive him for being the main reason the warriors let go of Morrow)
He’s scoring at the same rate, and his TS% is up 20 points this year compared to last year. The idea that Reggie is playing worse than last year doesn’t seem like an accurate one to me.
by Missing Barry on Feb 22, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Wait, Atma you think Reggies been worse than Jeremy Lin and Acie Law.....?
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 21, 2011 11:49 PM PST reply actions
There are only 3 players on this roster who deserve a above a B-
They start at PG, SG and SF.
I’d include Dlee if his contract wasn’t looking like a future albatross.
Curry: B+
Monta: A-
Dorell: A-
DLee: C
Biedrins: F
-/C+ (recent play upping his GPA to me, but man he struggled with consistency for a while)
Reggie: B
Udoh: C+
Vlad: C+
Gadz: C
Lou: D (when he has played, disappointment)
BW: D+ (earn some PT, bud)
Lin: D
Bell: F
Carney: C+ (why did we cut him? Surely 10-12 minutes a game can’t kill us)
Smart: C+
I expect Curry, Lee and Reggie to move up their grades in second half. I’m hoping Monta and Dorell hold there production. I’m not optimistic about anyone else.
I think we’re going to see more of Curry post all star break. Monta’s been logging heavy minutes while Curry has played a decent amount. Monta’s bound to run out of gas sooner or later so I can see Smart decreasing his time to maybe 36-38 minutes a game while giving Curry the same amount. But then again it’s Smart we’re talking about so he could play Monta even more minutes while playing Curry less.
Curry B+
Monta B+
Dorell A- (exceeded my expectations mightily)
Lee C-
Biedrins D
Udoh C+
Reggie B-
Lou D
Lin D
Vlad C+ (been bad as of late)
Bell sucks
Gadz C-
Brandan – C
Smart D+
For the most part, I think you're right.
As long as you’re rating them based on their roles, everything is close. Reggie might be a bit low, but considering he’s our only bench scoring, he needs to do more, so I could be convinced that C- fits. Biedrins I might go a bit higher, but even when he hasn’t been awful, he’s still been only average. Either way it’s not good.
Steph: B
Monta: A-
Dorell: A
Lee: C
Biedrins: D
Reggie: C
Udoh: C+
Vlad: C+
Gadz: C+
Lou: F
Bell: C-
Lin: D+
BW: D+
Smart: B-
Larry Riley: B
I'm looking forward to the Warriors being led to the playoffs by Monta Ellis AND Stephen Curry.
On defense:
Steph: D+
Monta: D+
Biedrins: B-
Lee: D+
D.Wright: B+
On offense:
Steph: A-
Monta: B-
Biedrins: D-
Lee: C+
D. Wright: B
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Biedrins F and Gadz B
Atma, I really hope you are only riding your gimmick here. You cannot be serious with this assessment and wanting Gadz to play more is simply insane.
You hate Biedrins and he is still far from his best play but he is playing good D most of the time, rebounding well and the price tag for such a Big is plain and simple normal.
"It really is a choice of whatever rotten fruit you fancy least." (Kelly Dwyer about NBA Franchise owner)
We're now considering 9 mil for a horribly limited player plain and normal?
9 Mil was fair for the player we signed and his potential. Whatever this Andris is, is not the player we signed.
Granted, he’s taken some steps back, but when we signed him, we knew he might get injured. Furthermore, the team could have insisted that he keep his crappy FT form, so that his FT shooting would remain stable. But as we all know, the team wanted him to do better, so they got him his improved form which also resulted in a shake-up in his FT shooting.
Furthermore, the team also knew he was young and that young people aren’t always as mentally tough as we would like. Biedrins hasn’t met his FT shooting problems with much heart, as he seems worried about what people think of him. Sad, but it’s not the worst thing a player has ever done, by a longshot. He didn’t exactly bring a gun into the locker room or get indited for rape.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
no matter how bad biedrins has been
it’s been better than Gadzuric. Gadzuric is terrible.
I'll play.
On a curve relative to my pre-season expectations:
Monta: A-
Curry: B
Wright: A
Lee: D-
Biedrins: C-
Absolute (i.e., relative to other NBA starters at their position):
Monta: B
Curry: B+
Wright: B
Lee: C+
Biedrins: C-
Bench: mostly “incomplete” — hard to give out a serious grade based on < 450 total minutes played. Among the two players who have played more than that, I’ll give Vlad an A+ for performance relative to my expectations and a C for absolute performance; and Reggie a B+ on both counts. Of all Atma’s grades, the C- for Reggie is the biggest head-scratcher to me. 16.7 pts per 36 on 60.6% ts / 4.3 reb / 2.5 ast / 1.5 tov. Where’s the Potatohead love, Atma Bro?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 22, 2011 8:10 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Grading on a (negative) curve?
What’s the inverse of a bell curve? Are these grades intended to be relative to a singular standard of performance or relative to different standards based on a subjective expectation/hope/desire?
If grades are given based on a singular objective standard of performance, I would assume that an All Star generally will have an A to A+ grade, “Near” all stars in a range of B+ to A, Solid contributors C+ to B+, Average NBA player C- to C+, Marginal or occasional contributor D to C-, and “Shouldn’t be on an NBA roster” F to D.
Assuming this, here is what I think:
Curry = A- (Defense and ball security keep him from an A, but with his measurable statistics combined with the intangible effect he has on the team’s performance — i.e., it is better when he’s on the floor and running the show - I don’t know how anyone can give him less than an A).
Ellis = A- (Improvement in attitude has been wonderful. All around game has been good. His continuing unwillingness to pass out consistently, TOs, and defense keep him from an A).
Lee = B+ (He’s been more inconsistent thatn I would have thought, although some of that is attributable to his injury issues earlier on. He is an excellent player who does subtle things well).
D. Wright = B- (I’m a bit mystified by the high grades he’s getting here — unless you are grading on the subjective expectations curve. He’s just all right for me, dog. Nothing special. Solid contributor who occasionally pulls out a great game. His problem is that he’s not as good as he thinks he is, and he isn’t much of a willing passer. If he and Monta would open their eyes, Curry would be hitting 2-3 more 3 pointers per game).
Biedrins = C- (Fouls too much, shoots too little and too softly, and can’t shoot free throws at all. Rebounds well but can’t stay on the floor. Not nearly as bad, though as some here have opined).
Williams = C+ (Inconsistent court time makes it tough to be consistent in one’s play. He sure can score, though, and isn’t a terrible defender).
Udoh = C+ (I wanna see more of him. He flashes more offensive ability than I would have thought and less rebounding than I was led to believe he would provide. Pretty good defender, but needs some more beef to hang consistently).
Radmanovich = C- (Not horrible but nothing special. needs to do more than shoot 3 pointers cold off the bench, and it might help bring more consistency to that shot. Where is he best suited, though? 3? 4? He’s not a good fit either place).
Gadzurich = D+ (He has surprised me sometimes this year with quality minutes, but he is way too inconsistent and seemingly very limited).
Amundson = D (Sometimes you can see what he can give, but there is no offense forthcoming from him. he gives you hustle, energy, and rebounding, but he can’t do any of that when he’s hurt).
Bell = C- (Doesn’t play very much but has done ok when he gets some minutes. He might warrant a bit more time, although I wouldn’t ordinarily pair him with either Law or Lin at the same time. Curry or Ellis should be in — at least 1 of the 2 of them — at all times).
Law = C (Everybody cracks on the guy in the game threads, but I think he’s done pretty well and has been a good contributor on occasion. He’s the ultimate “average NBA player.”).
Lin = C- (Same as with Law, I see some good things with Lin. Same as with Law and Bell, either Curry or Ellis should be on the court at all times).
B. Wright = D (He has B talent and apparently F heart. Hope I’m wrong, because he could be a very important piece to the puzzle if he would just play and play with some passion and attitude).
Smart = C (I go back and forth on him. He’s terrible about Curry — playing time, approach, rotation — and he loves Monta too much. His rotations stink, and he is inconsistent about playing time for the likes of Williams, Udoh, and B. Wright. he likes D. Wright WAY too much. Nevertheless, I kind of like his mind set, and he does an excellent job with Xs and Os on things like in bounds and special plays. Like Christopher Walken said, though, “More Pickandroll!” And more plays for Curry).
Team: C (wanted to put in a ‘+’ due to recent play, but still under .500)
Fans: A- (would be an ‘A’ since the dubs are 11th in attendance, but the “MVP” chants for Monta knock us down slightly)
grading players is too difficult for me, too many different ways to interpret their play
oh and
Smart: B (thought he’d be a place holder, and is doing a fine job)
Mostly agree with Atma’s grade. Would give Curry a higher grade, but I think Atma’s explanation is reasonable enough. Would give David Lee a lower grade. My only two real qualms are I’d give Brandan Wright a much higher grade (he’s actually played fairly well in the minutes he’s been given), and Reggie a much higher grade (this one is really a head scratcher to me).
You'd give Andris an F?
Usually you are one of his biggest supporters.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 22, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Eh, I’d probably give him a D or D-. To put it simply: he needs to play better. My grades take expectations into account – I’d give Gadz a C, for instance, and Andris a worse grade, even though Andris is clearly the better player. Andris gets such a low grade because we know he can do better, we need him to do better, and we expect him to do better.
by Missing Barry on Feb 22, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
(Atma’s grade was close enough that I won’t quibble with it)
by Missing Barry on Feb 22, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Of course, Atma wasn’t grading in the same way. He only cares about offense and figures BIedrins’ rebounding and defense is irrelevant, other than what he can’t do on defense, which is defend elite bigs in the post very well.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
To be fair to Atma (ha, can’t believe this is coming from me), his points about Biedrins playing scared, fouling too much, and not blocking shots are all right on. Those are specific parts of his game he used to do much better and is failing us at now. We know he can do better in those regards, and we really need him to. I won’t give him a passing game until he consistently starts doing a better job at them.
by Missing Barry on Feb 22, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
I have no problem with those criticisms, provided he also gets credit for being one of the top rebounders and an average all-around defender, despite his drawbacks. You can’t overstate the importance of having a center that can do those things. I think he’s being graded based on expectations, instead of being compared to other NBA centers, which is unfair. He is what he is, drawbacks and all, he’s someone I am happy to keep, at least for now.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Yep, I do grade on expectations. What’s the point of a grade if expectations aren’t met? I mean, we know who the good players are and who the bad players are already, what’s interesting to me is who’s playing better/worse than we expect. Also, when Andris isn’t blocking shots (and is fouling more often), I wouldn’t call him an average all-around defender at all. If he got back to protecting the rim the way he used to (more blocks. less fouls), I’d be more inclined to agree.
by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, I do grade on expectations. What’s the point of a grade if expectations aren’t met? I mean, we know who the good players are and who the bad players are already, what’s interesting to me is who’s playing better/worse than we expect. Also, when Andris isn’t blocking shots (and is fouling more often), I wouldn’t call him an average all-around defender at all. If he got back to protecting the rim the way he used to (more blocks. less fouls), I’d be more inclined to agree.
by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2011 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, I do grade on expectations. What’s the point of a grade if expectations aren’t met? I mean, we know who the good players are and who the bad players are already, what’s interesting to me is who’s playing better/worse than we expect. Also, when Andris isn’t blocking shots (and is fouling more often), I wouldn’t call him an average all-around defender at all. If he got back to protecting the rim the way he used to (more blocks. less fouls), I’d be more inclined to agree.
by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
Triple post there huh?
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 23, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m a fundemental player out of the triple threat.
by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Charlie Bell: F. Don't drink and drive folks. It'll earn you a big, fat F from b-rate hoops writers who get by on rare good jokes
not entirely true. i think with some more practice you can hit your b-rate ceiling and have chuckle worthy jokes. c’mon, champ, you can do it.
by fuller over bryant on Feb 22, 2011 10:48 AM PST reply actions
I love the pic
Maybe Curry will be the next Mr. NBA Logo
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Monta Ellis
+1
I said the same thing when I was looking around on Yahoo. Don’t so much think he’ll be the logo, but I thought it was perfect how he was sort of imitating West in that picture. It looks really cool.
I'm looking forward to the Warriors being led to the playoffs by Monta Ellis AND Stephen Curry.
Hmm, I'll shoot (With a fairly large offensive curve)
Ellis: B+
Am I really a Monta hater? No, I’m just critical on him since he pulled off moped-gate, still hasn’t rubbed off of me. Better in many statistical categories than last year, still has very questionable decisions and still tend to ball hog. He still isn’t clutch either and does not play defense either (man to man and gambles too much).
Curry: A-
Our hero of the ASG. Everything up, but 3P%, Rebounds, and Steals. Best free throw man in the league, still an apt 3PT shooter, our only real 1 on the team. Also does not play defense well, fouls a lot, and has questionable decisions as well.
D. Wright: B+
By far our best Free Agent in several years. Leading 3 Point made man, our best defender, and pretty much a jack-of-all trades. When he gets cold, he gets dead cold though.
D. Lee: C-
Only started heating up lately, but has been really efficient. Has good range to spread the floor against opposing bigs. Has not helped us in our rebounding as many people expected, non-existent in the post and in defending. Cost us 5 players, a roster spot, and a backloaded 80 Million dollar contract. Meh.
A. Biedrins: C
Also starting to heat up, has been better, although marginal, than last year on the glass. He has a post game, but it’s still average at best. Good weak side defender, below average when manning up people, still not as bad as Lee. Needs more PT, has shown glimpses of old form, albeit just a few times. Needs more PT. Also one of the worst FT in the league, ugly.
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I’ll do reserves later, Mexican food ftw. lol.
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Monta Ellis
saying Monta isn’t clutch is ridiculous. He has hit a lot of big shots at the end of the game or to close out a quarter this season. Had a couple that come to mind immediately in the last game against Utah. In all honesty though, that entire 4th quarter was clutch.
Personally, I generally think it’s best to keep conversations on “clutch” to whether a guy has been or has not been clutch, rather than whether he is or is not. I think the idea that we can actually know if a guy is clutch or not is a bit outlandish to me. We don’t really know. If you saw some guy shooting around and the first two shots he took, he made, would you assume at that point he’s a good shooter? Of course not, everyone makes 2 in a row from time to time. That’s essentially the concept here. Monta has hit a couple of very, very clutch shots, which is nice, but all it really means is he hit a couple of big shots. We don’t know if it was actually some sort of clutch ability, or just a guy hitting a couple of shots, as everyone is prone to do from time to time….
by Missing Barry on Feb 22, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I guess you have never seen me attempt a 3-pointer ; )
everyone makes 2 in a row from time to time
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone notices the shots he makes with the clock winding down
People don’t seem to remember his defensive and mental lapses or the shots he misses.
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Monta Ellis
Media does this with every high volume scorer except Lebron (for some reason).
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 22, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
However
They do criticize LeBron for doing the right thing and passing to an open shooter….
The right thing?! Eddie House never has been, and never will be as good as Lebron! You’re gonna let Eddie House take a shot over the best player on the planet! What?! No!!!!!*
*Sarcastic rant. Eddie House was wide open and is an excellent shooter – better than Lebron, and it was absolutely the right play. Eddie House is riding on a skateboard.
by Missing Barry on Feb 22, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
I'm guessing it was a joke.
Just like the F’s for Biedrins and Wright.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 22, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions

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