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Golden State Warriors owner Joe Lacob reveals strategy: Build around Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis

Originally posted Feb 25, 2011 7:36 PM PST

Since I haven't found any other articles from today's Warriors season ticket-holder conference call with Joe Lacob, here's my report. First off, I called in a few minutes late after the 1:00pm start time and I had to hang up at 1:45pm to go to a meeting (you know, some of us have to work!), so the following is as much as I can remember, and from the meat of the call.

Here are the main points...

Key Take-away #1: The Warriors will be keeping Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry, and will be building the franchise around them.

Key Take-away #2: Lacob has identified nine bigs/centers that the Warriors could go after this summer, to help bring a presence in the post.

Key Take-away #3: Lacob's strategy to make the Warriors attractive enough to sign a marquee free agent, is to win as many games as possible now.

After the jump, compare that with my strategy and take a look at the other bullet points from the conference call...

Star-divide

Here are my chronologically ordered notes from the conference call. I will be the first one to tell you that this is probably an incomplete set of notes. As I mentioned, I was late to the call and had to leave it early. If you were in on this call, please fill in any important blanks I may have missed.

  • David Lee and Andris Biedrins play a sort of fast pace anyways, so they are in line with the strategy of keeping Steph and Monta.
  • Do not underestimate the value of a 2nd-round draft pick (as was acquired in the Troy Murphy deal). References to Monta, of course, and Paul Millsap are made.
  • Murphy may yet suit up. It is not certain that he will be bought out. Lacob is still evaluating that one.
  • Lacob sought the advice of a "GM of a franchise that has recently won the championship" -- hmmm, lemme guess: Danny Ainge? We can only speculate! -- in regards to how to deal with a coach in which you are not sure of his approach. The GM's response (note: this is NOT word-for-word, but more the gist of it): "I still have such problems with my current coach! In short, let coaches coach. Let them do their job. This happens all the time."
  • Bottom line for Keith Smart: Does he win? But then also compare this to Doc Rivers or Byron Scott. Doc lost 18 in a row in the 24-win season with Boston. Since then, he's had a couple Finals appearances. Similar anecdote with Byron Scott. So, more often than not, it's not really the coach that determines whether or not a team is championship-caliber.
  • Then a season ticket holder named Julie asked perhaps one of the better questions of the call: Seems like lately there have been some improvements making small steps. But are you, Joe Lacob, a small-steps guy? Lacob's response (paraphrasing): "We tried to make the 'transformative, big deal'. We made some offers and we received some offers -- all of which I am not at liberty [Author's note: by league rules and, quite frankly, common sense] to name names. But we didn't want to make a bad transformative big deal. I think we need to be patient. If you look at most or all of the big deals that were made, they had multiple first-round draft picks involved. We have none."
  • Lacob also mentioned that there was not one deal that involved an expiring contract, except perhaps for the Gerald Wallace deal. [Author's note: I am not well-schooled in the area of salary cap, so excuse me for not expounding on such related matters.]
  • Then another caller asked how long fans will have to wait for the team to become one that can make perennial playoff runs. Lacob said a there's probably a few years' timeframe. They have to manage cap space, do well in the Draft. Deals like Kevin Garnett are hard to find.
  • Then came Lacob's best quote of the day: "Give me more than three months PLEASE to make a big move."
  • The topic switched over to Larry Riley. Riley's resume was listed out, including the draft selection of Stephen Curry and the free agent signing of Dorell Wright, of course, but curiously, also David Lee (who has been widely criticized as way overpaid) and the draft of selection of Ekpe Udoh (unproven). It really sounded like Lacob was happy with Riley. It really sounded like Riley is here to stay.
  • Lacob: "The bottom line is wins and losses and are we improving?"
  • Then a caller asked the question about seeking out a bonafide center. There was one other Warriors rep on the call and I never did figure out who it was, but just based on the voice and the fact that he sometimes peppered Lacob with a few interview questions, I'm guessing it was Tim Roye (again, I'm not sure, please help if someone knows), and that voice probably wasn't Riley's since they had just talked about Riley in the third person. Roye said the Warriors should have cap space of around $13 million to bring in a center. You figure, based on NBA Deputy Commish Adam Silver's recent remarks on a hard cap, that if there's a hard cap, it'll probably be around $60 million give or take, and the Warriors have about $49 million committed next season.
  • Lacob said the Warriors have identified nine big men (centers, I presume) who are either restricted or unrestricted free agents this summer. There are some centers who are injured (he did not mention Yao Ming or Greg Oden by name, but I figure those two are definitely somewhere on the radar screen) and there's always the Draft.
  • Also mentioned was that Lacob told Riley not to worry about cash, as the trade deadline approached. The Warriors were willing to spend, if necessary.
  • Lacob did temper the Draft mention in that he would still probably select the best player (or "best asset") available.
  • Riley and Lacob have not yet discussed the future of Smart.
  • Lacob firmly believes that the franchise can attract free agents, but admits that they need to overcome their history. They need to win more to show free agents that the Warriors are committed to winning. Roye then gave the example of Carmelo Anthony signing with a team that's barely at .500 with a recent history of losing.
  • The discussion came back around to Curry. Lacob mentioned that Curry's numbers are really good when compared to other young point guards (Steve Nash, for example, although we all know, and Lacob does too, that Nash struggled in his first few years). As the trade deadline approached, most of the calls Lacob got were inquiring about Steph Curry.

And that's when I had to hang up and jump into a meeting. Here are my thoughts as I look back...

  1. Welp, you either agree that both Monta and Steph need to stay or you don't. Put me in the latter camp, because from what I know about basketball, you can't have two skinny 6'3" guys to play defense against an NBA backcourt. I don't care how good they are. Defense and rebounding wins championships. Now that we know Lacob's strategy, this should very well polarize the Warriors fan base. But hey, it's better to know. And so now it makes sense why the Warriors couldn't make a big deal before the trade deadline. By (my) definition, if Curry or Ellis are not in a deal, it cannot be a big deal -- keeping in mind that Lee and Biedrins's contracts are unshoppable right now.

  2. To me, it is clear that Lacob wants to make a name for himself. And I don't agree with that, but oh well. I'm not saying that he won't reach our mutual goal of a championship, but my management style would be different (explained below). So now it makes sense why it's okay for Larry Riley to stay on board.

  3. While I do have confidence in Lacob's ability to make the Warriors a franchise that can attract marquee free agents, it's still not how I would have done it. Lacob's strategy forces the Warriors to win at all costs right now. Ergo, Smart must win games at all costs. Ergo, there's no development opportunity for guys who show flashes like Udoh. But at least now, it all makes sense.

  4. Please, please, please... NO MORE COMPARISONS, MR. LACOB. There was the comparison of what you could get (Monta/Millsap) with a 2nd-round pick to justify the Murphy deal, there was the comparison of Doc Rivers and Byron Scott, there was the oft-used comparison of how the Celtics got KG, there was the comparison of Melo choosing the Knicks, there was the comparison of Curry to Nash, on and on and on. OK, so I'm gonna get a little whiny here. It just feels like the Warriors are always looking up at the other franchises. "See? We're not that far off from ____." I guess it's just personality, but my problem is, it reeks of the Cohan era, like when the David Lee deal happened, there was that constant sales pitch that he was an All-Star last season. Does Usain Bolt -- Lacob actually used Bolt as a metaphor during the talk, in reference to Curry's development, so I'll just steal that metaphor here -- look to his left and right when he runs? No, he goes full steam ahead, to hell what you think, see ya later, maybe I'll go break this world record in the meantime. BE YOUR OWN MAN.

Finally, here's what my strategy would be...

Now, I haven't given this strategy much thought. So there may be a big hole in it that I haven't foreseen, but I'll put it out there anyway.

Yes, you've got to attract free agents. By doing so, you're also transforming the image of the franchise. You've got to start competing for the big boys. Just look at the All-Star lineups from last weekend. That is your market. Repeat: THAT is your market.

And right now, the Warriors are still a laughingstock of the league. Okay, maybe "laughingstock" is harsh. But sit down with a marquee NBA player. Ask him to name franchises he would want to play for, from 1 to 30. I guarantee you, the Warriors are not even in the top half of each list.

I'd even say that the frequent inquiries about Steph Curry as the trade deadline approached perhaps revealed that the Warriors as a franchise lack respect from their peers. And if that happens at the peer level, believe me, it trickles down to the agents and the players they represent. Granted, the debate of Curry vs Monta has raged on recently and earlier in the season, even I tweeted my frustration with Steph's inconsistency while at the same time marveling at Monta's super-human athleticism, but I would have to say that the recent steady play of Curry and the skills that he has shown prove to me that Curry is a keeper. That is a no-brainer, especially as he maxed out the value of his limited appearances at All-Star Weekend, winning the Skills Contest and being maybe the only non-All-Star to have multiple bits in the Spike Lee and Michael Rappaport comedy clips. BOTTOM LINE: Do other franchises really think the Warriors are stupid enough to deal Steph away right now? This past week? I guess they do.

Fundamentally, I disagree with Lacob on how to change the image of the franchise. What are the Bay Area's natural assets? The weather and Silicon Valley. But as Danny Granger recently quipped, who cares about the weather? Silicon Valley: I'll get to that in a minute.

So marquee free agents aren't gonna yearn to come to Golden State just because it happens to be a sunny day outside and you casually mention to him that there are plenty more where that came from. They need someone they can trust. That someone? A big-name, serious GM. There are several of them out there. Many of you have said Kevin Pritchard. Wonderful. Got no qualms with that.

But how about a proven home-run hitter who has roots in Golden State? Someone who may have a vested interest in seeing this franchise succeed. Someone who got their first taste of the NBA right here. Yep, Otis Smith. If there's a guy who can convince a big free agent to-be (Dwight Howard, anyone?) to come to the Bay Area, sell him on the virtues of living here, be his pal, talk the talk and carry the swag, it's someone like Otis Smith.

So I'd sell Otis on being the Bay Area's all-time basketball hero (front-office-wise). Make it his dream. Then instruct him to make a facet of that dream some big free agent's dream. Oh and by the way, Lacob could still be The Man in this scenario.

Meanwhile, throw in a couple perks like this: Hey Dwight, when you retire, you're gonna want to start your own business, right? Well, let me tell you a little thing about this here Silicon Valley. Then point to your Board of Directors and woo the guy with a few visits to corporate campuses down in the South Bay.

But the most important thing is the swag to get the young star-studded athlete to accept the GSW as a front-runner. And to do that, you need to bring in a heavy hitter. Doing it by yourself, building it on your own: waste of time, too many pitfalls.

Now if I gave Otis Smith the biggest GM salary ever, convinced him to walk away from Orlando and fly immediately to Golden State, wouldn't that send a message to the NBA athletes that we mean business? Wouldn't that negate the requirement of winning right now with this roster, with Smart at the helm not developing our future stars like Udoh? In one fell swoop.

And the other great thing about this: kind of makes the Monta/Steph issue a bit moot.

That's how you get the modern NBA player to come here. You've got to relate to them. I hope Lacob gets there, but I wouldn't be doing it the way he's doing it.

Poll
My opinion of keeping both Monta and Steph while trying to build a championship contender is...
Cannot work. I disagree with Lacob.
352 votes
Can work. I agree with Lacob.
747 votes
Not sure yet. Guess we gotta wait and see.
433 votes

1532 votes | Poll has closed

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They talked about buying a pick after the deadline

Buy a late 1st and deal it for Jamison please

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 25, 2011 7:42 PM PST reply actions  

If he wants to keep a Curry/Monta backcourt, Dwight better be at center.

by DubsFan408 on Feb 25, 2011 7:43 PM PST reply actions  

dwight at center?

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 25, 2011 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes…Dwight Howard. He plays center.

by DubsFan408 on Feb 25, 2011 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

lol I got confused with d wright.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 25, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Did he mention or hint at any of those 9 centers?

And 13 mil is enough to get Jordan for sure

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 25, 2011 7:43 PM PST reply actions  

We'll have to overpay since he's a RFA

Not saying throw 13 mil at him but it becomes plausible

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 25, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather not over pay.

Stick with what we have > huge overpay
We already seen what happened with Lee and Maggs.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 25, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but those 2 were vets who dont have any defense and didn't get better

Jordan at least can defend and grow

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 25, 2011 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

That is ridiculously high. Joakim Noah and Al Horford are going to receive 12 mil a year and they are better than Deandre.

by DubsFan408 on Feb 25, 2011 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Truth of the matter is we're going to have to overpay

If we want Jordan we have to look at it as a bid war against otherwise more attractive teams.

Cut.

by Butterknuckles on Feb 25, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

We don’t have to overpay that much. 13 mil a year? Ridiculous. Deandre is a good defender, but he isn’t Marcus Camby.

by DubsFan408 on Feb 25, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

The strategy would supply a fat frontloaded salary

So pay him like 13 million his first year and 9 million the rest or something like that. Similar to what Portland did to Utah to steal away Wes Matthews, make the offer toxic at first so Donald Sterling will just be like f that and walk away without matching the offer.

by gtbassett on Feb 27, 2011 1:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I never said I want to overpay him

Just that we can and it’d probably net us him

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 25, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

How come we never learn?

"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."

by fr8nk the tank on Feb 26, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Why would we pay 13 million for Jordan?

unless you are talking about prime MICHAEL Jordan

if we pay DeAndre 13 million then we’re going to have all these threads about trying to unload ANOTHER bad contract

"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."

by fr8nk the tank on Feb 26, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

A prime MIke would get more then 13 mil....

I never said we should give him 13 mil, just that we have enough to get him or cripple LAC

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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 26, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

That's worse than Biedrins contract and Kaman appears to be beating Jordan out.

Suddenly, DAJ looks like a scrub. He may have looked good earlier because of Blake Griffin. We should’ve gone after Kendrick Perkins with Dorell and Murph. Now, the Thunder have no interest in Biedrins, so we may be stuck with AB and internal development.

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by callahan on Feb 26, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

He's still rebounding and blocking shots

For the 1 thousandth time, I never suggested giving him 13 mil, just that we can.

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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 26, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd love Jordan

esp around 9mill per

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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 26, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Please, please, please… NO MORE COMPARISONS, MR. LACOB. There was the comparison of what you could get (Monta/Millsap) with a 2nd-round pick to justify the Murphy deal,

I told you all this guy has a huge ego and seriously made this move on his own. Very concerned that he will also bring back Riley and possibly Smart….

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 25, 2011 7:43 PM PST reply actions  

Build around Steph Curry

trade monta for a defensive wing/ solid bench players.

Sign a beast center.

Get rid of Andris garbageman Biedrins.

by Anonymous1337 on Feb 25, 2011 8:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

How does trading Monta for Thabo help us?

We trade Monta if we get realistic value. Be it high draft picks, young talent or a player.

I’m not interested in a dump for ROLE players.

Monta still means more to this team than his value.

by tafkasam on Feb 25, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

And afflalo will improve us?

Sure, a little on defense, no denying. But the offensive loss would be huge. Last thing we need is another catch and shoot player.

by tafkasam on Feb 25, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

dont forget

we can grab a lot in offseason as well

Wilson Chandler?

a good center

and we IMPROVE on defense, we dont need to be offensive beasts every night!

by Anonymous1337 on Feb 25, 2011 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that wasn't what you said...

Afflalo/Chandler + a pick? Sold

Chandler/Felton + a pick? sold

etc. etc.

But I am skeptical on the just ‘dump monta’ proposal. he’s not really over paid, and he produces a lot. I think people don’t realize how bad we’d be without him.

by tafkasam on Feb 25, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

hes an inefficient scorer

take away his 25 ppg on 25 shots/game

you get some defensive help, Curry can create etc etc

just an all around better situation especially for the better player (Curry)

by Anonymous1337 on Feb 25, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

REc.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 25, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

um

it’s clearly 20 shots a game, not 25

by Lew Ghost on Feb 26, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

it's his choice?????

So Smart has no control over the team
it’s really just the Monta show and the other players on the roster are here for the ride, we really should be called the ‘Monta State Monta’

sorry but I just don’t buy that

by Lew Ghost on Feb 26, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

sure

they can blow real hard to help it get over the rim and in the hoop…

but no coach lets his players run free and do whatever they want (minus Nellie lol)

ask Rip Hamilton

by Lew Ghost on Feb 26, 2011 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

If we traded Ellis

Can’t we start Dorell Wright at the 2.

"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."

by fr8nk the tank on Feb 26, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

No

You don’t trade Ellis for the sake of spliting curry/ellis up.

"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."

by fr8nk the tank on Feb 26, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

But how about a proven home-run hitter who has roots in Golden State? Someone who may have a vested interest in seeing this franchise succeed. Someone who got their first taste of the NBA right here. Yep, Otis Smith. If there’s a guy who can convince a big free agent to-be (Dwight Howard, anyone?) to come to the Bay Area, sell him on the virtues of living here, be his pal, talk the talk and carry the swag, it’s someone like Otis Smith.

Interesting idea.

Dwight immediately makes us a 50 win team. With a compitent bench potentially 60.

by tafkasam on Feb 25, 2011 8:37 PM PST reply actions  

+1

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 25, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Dumars and Thomas

Keep saying you can’t win with two 6’3 guards because you’re right: Isiah Thomas was 6’1.

by David Leezy on Feb 25, 2011 9:04 PM PST reply actions  

That's not the point

The point is their height. Everyone says the backcourt is too small, too short. It’s just an extremely convenient, and ignorant, argument for a lot of people.

Of course Steph and Monta aren’t world-class defenders. But unlike HEIGHT, DEFENSE is something that can be learned, taught, with effort. You can’t teach someone to be taller.

by David Leezy on Feb 25, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It's a losers argument

Too small, trade them.

Talent wins. They are our two most talented players regardless of position. Aside from them we got low teir talent. If you cup Lee and Dorell, I think you’d find we don’t have anyone who could get 20 minutes on even the timberwolves.

I’m not opposed to trading them, but we better get back comprable talent. Dumping them for a defensive 2 is a terrible idea. We’d be a 15-25 win team, max.

by tafkasam on Feb 25, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

The “but what about Isiah and Dumars” argument is simplistic to the point of being meaningless. 20 years ago, it worked, in a league rather different from today’s, when they were paired with some of the best front court defenders in the game.

If the point is to say that Monta and Steph can learn, you need to provide an example of someone who came into the league as a lousy defender who learned how to become a good defender. When has it happened? How common is it? Asserting that it can be learned, even if you put ‘defense in all caps’, doesn’t make it so.

by jae on Feb 26, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I'll agree with you on that.

Height isn’t the problem. The fact that they’re both defensive non-entities is. You say they can learn, but Monta is in his sixth NBA season. He’s 25 years old. There just isn’t that much room for growth left.

And Curry right now just completely lacks the physical tools to be a competent one-on-one defender. He’d either have to a) radically, and I mean radically, bulk up or b) learn to become a good team defender. I think he’ll accomplish the latter. But the thing about being a good team defender (like, say, Ray Allen) is that you need to be paired with real defenders (like, say, Rajon Rondo, Paul Pierce, and Kevin Garnett) or the whole thing falls apart.

It’s not the height (hell, Rondo is 6-1), it’s that they’re just not good defenders, and show no signs of becoming so.

Of course, you can keep them together and worry about defense later if your front court doesn’t consist of Andris Biedrins and David Lee, but it does. And David Lee, sadly, is here to stay. Even if you find a great defensive center somewhere after Biedrins is finally gone, you’re still looking at 3 of your starting 5 that can’t guard a lick. That’s not going to win you basketball games. Not now. Not ever.

the oakland athletics: hittin' ain't easy

by walk off bunt on Feb 28, 2011 6:31 AM PST up reply actions  

We've built around Monta Ellis the last 3 years.

What has that done for us?
Build around Steph, period.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 25, 2011 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

No, we weren't

2 years ago- moped gate (wash)
last year- nellie asleep going for record “just go run, i’m going to play 4 guys under 6ft5” etc. etc.
This year- yes

My problem is less ‘built around monta’ and more accountability. Monta is a special scorer, he can do things no one else on this team can and few in league can. But that doesn’t mean Smart should give him no leesh.

The hypocracy in how he coaches Monta and others is on Smart. While, everyone takes the occasional poor shot, it’s clear he doesn’t give a **** what monta does.

The offense is seriously “monta, do you”. That is the offense.

I don’t blame Monta per say, cause he’s shown over years, he’s not selfish or egotistical like Kobe.

I can’t imagine Monta taking these shots under pop or doc rivers for ex. They’d let him know, ‘do this and you sit next to Bell’

by tafkasam on Feb 25, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

"I don’t blame Monta per say, cause he’s shown over years, he’s not selfish or egotistical like Kobe."

LOOOOOOOOL. I have nothing more to say.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Feb 25, 2011 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah sorry steffun

Kobe is a selfish f$%# who ruins the NBA with his annoying fans.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 25, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't blame you for this statement

considering half the basketball world feels the same way, but I’m more laughing at tafkasam saying Monta isn’t selfish or egotistical.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Feb 25, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Monta was.

He’s now just selfish on the court, good person off of it…problem is on court >>>> off court .

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 25, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

ya i don't give a (expletive) about a player's personality off the court

e.g. i’ll take dennis rodman on my team any day of the week.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Feb 25, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Well i mean i do.

But if you’re a good person off the court but a ball hog on it, then it does.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 25, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 25, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

STRONGLY disagree

Look you’re a bright kid. Do you remember the monta of 07-08? Was he selfish?

But tell me, what accoiuntability does he have for his actions? Smart NEVER takes him out. He can shoot 10 bad shots in a row, no conciquence. What’s worse… smart has him convinced he needs to ‘lift the team;’. This breed ball hog play.

On flipside, look at Curry, 2 mistakes and yank. And while I don’t disagree with the logic (his turnovers are AWFUL) it’s ridiculous he gets the short lees and monta has NO leash.

Monta can play more with in himself and the team, but the more I watch the Warriors, the more I feel Smart doesn’t care. He thinks Monta has to carry us, thus gives him MJ-like freedom

by tafkasam on Feb 26, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

ive said it all year

Smart is the biggest problem…he is utilizing our players (Curry/Ellis/Lee) and our Bench (Vlad/Law) WAY wrong.

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 26, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

That wasn't meant to be an insult on kobe

I don’t blame kobe’s mentality, the guy wants to win, i wish we had 5 players as committed as him, he is a bit of a sociopath in that regard. BUT he doesn’t manifest it in best way possible. He has the talent to be as efficient as jordan was. But he never was because. He should feed the post more and play off those guys, get easier shots, and lots of assists while putting up his 25, but he doesn’t. When things go bad his default mode is ‘im going to win this’

by tafkasam on Feb 26, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

You're selling Jordan short.

Kobe could have never done what he did. Look at Jordan’s first 10 years in the NBA, and you’ll see no comparison.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 26, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

You're selling Kobe's raw talent short

Guy was just as athletic, and is a better shooter than Jordan was until late in his career.

Kobe is of no comparison, but his talent is among the best, fact he didn’t play to his full potential is a different issue.

by tafkasam on Feb 26, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Well that's your opinion.

I just think he doesn’t have the talent to do what you’re describing. No one outside of Lebron possibly does.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 26, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Lebron is not as talented a basketball player as Kobe was at his age

Just a better athlete. I’m not really impressed by a defensive end who can ‘kind of’ dribble (whatever that crab dribble/travel junk is.

Kobe is actually a much smoother bball player who has actual basketball related skills, other than shoving his shoulder into people and jumping.

But that’s just me. I’m more impressed with skill level than athleticism.

by tafkasam on Feb 26, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Or you’re overvaluing skills that don’t even matter…

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 26, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah, I like basketball

You seem more like a fan of the NFL. Not impressed by Lebron’s game, atleast stylistically.

Sure it’s effective, but doesn’t mean it’s enjoyable to my eye.

by tafkasam on Feb 26, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, thats your opinion.

Kobe’s “smoother” than Lebron but that’s only because he does plays that aren’t particularly effective. He just takes tough shots and is good at them and fanboys don’t recognize 2 points is 2 points.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 26, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

No i agree, he takes tough shots and it's his detriment

I don’t like it. But it doens’t mean he’s a bad shooter

if he played in the offense and took open shots in rythym of offense (play inside out, you have best bigs in nba lakers, and beyond that, great passers) his percentages would be SO much higher.

despite all those retarded shots, his percentages are pretty high across board:
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe%20Bryant

Imagine if he learned to take better shots/stopped getting in kobe’ “i have to save the day thus take every shot known to man” mode.

by tafkasam on Feb 26, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

D Wade takes some bad shots.

For example, any 3 he has ever taken without being wide open in the corner with less than 10 seconds on the shot clock.

"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition

by don't leave Morrow! on Feb 26, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, but that's still a better shot than mid range.

30% from 3 = 45% on 2’s.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 26, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Monta and Lee are ineffective basketball players.

The way they play.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 25, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

At least the past 2 years, and include Biedrins in that.

And you’ll see why we suck. 30 million dollars a year for un productive players.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 25, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

In fairness to Nelson

The last two years were ruined before they even started, or close to it, by injuries. I’m so sick of people making up their distaste for the man into something more than that.

He did care. He also realized he was playing with a young, rebuilt team that on top of that had league leading injuries. What the hell is he supposed to do? And you expect him to act a way that makes all the loungechair warriors happy?

Nelson has been around. He knows when to turn it up. There was no chance with the circumstances. So, instead he had a very positive team vibe (the team all got along, all had coaches back) and unearthed, yet again, some D league level gems on the cheap.

Look people. You may like a coach who is more straight with the media. You may like a more rah rah positive coach. But the endless dumping on Nelson when his last two years he had very little chance to look good….it’s really incredibly unfair.

by supersugarCrisp on Feb 26, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

The last two years. Before that it was Baron, Jax and

I think Monta has put the other teams defense on its heels. They end up doubling him. Can’t say the same for Curry. He’s still weak sauce.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Feb 25, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

why would they double team someone

who can never get the ball in their hands because of the shitty offense and monta ballhog/chucker ellis

by Anonymous1337 on Feb 25, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah

cause Monta is the coach…

by Lew Ghost on Feb 26, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

if you use the double team to create a better play, Monta usually just shoots the fade-away jumper, which is not a good look

by eldingo on Feb 26, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It isn't all Ellis' fault

Management, coaching, other players etc

"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."

by fr8nk the tank on Feb 26, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

what????

there are others on the team besides Monta???? no way… it’s not always Monta’s fault?

by Lew Ghost on Feb 26, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I like his points

But I’m still under the belief we can only keep 1 of the guards. Time will tell though.

"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Monta Ellis

by ejdacanay on Feb 25, 2011 9:48 PM PST reply actions  

I think we go on a 7 game win streak on the road.

This lose to the sorry arse Magic at home.

ROMESdavidWOOD37 has taken over the Ongline. He's cool.

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 25, 2011 9:52 PM PST reply actions  

I'll take that, no complaints

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Feb 25, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

word. just me being optimistically annoying.

Can’t blame anyone for being super negative and have no hope for this team.

It’s just a downer when I have a regular hoops talk with my friends that I play hoops with and they have nothing positive to say.

I just let them go off. I keep quiet because my mind too does run through that negativity.

I said one thing throughout their vents. " i feel ya man. i really think it’s going to take time. can’t expect a quick fix…blah blah blah."

I quickly get interrupted with: “come on Romes. just be real with the situation. if you were an owner & you had 18 thou coming in everytime because those fans want to see Kobe, d-wade, Lebron, derrick rose…u wouldnt do a damn thing as an owner too. u would just accept that cash flow that continues to come in.”

Well. that’s your damn opinion of me. since we aren’t close friends, you don’t know me at all.

I was there at the quiet coliseum when we had Jason Caffey as our best player and most exciting player. I was there when i thought we had hope when our team consisted of Chris Porter and Marc Anthony Jackson. I been claiming we make the playoffs one day. yup it happened out of luck. in 2007.

Whether we ever make it again or not. so what. I’mma be this way.

The worst part of it all was I thought that way when we had Chris Cohan. I swear i thought i was gonna be deceased through a heart attack thinking that way under cohan.

If we never make sometime soon…oh well. you know what? I can breathe the air better now. I can walk around as a Warrior fan with less headaches being a typical patient fan. At least I know Lacob cares about winning.

If you brats think winning comes within the snap of your fingers. go ahead. stress all u want.

 I’d rather chill. relax. let u call me an idiot and just wait.

Our time will come.

Go Warriors etches Bay.

ROMESdavidWOOD37 has taken over the Ongline. He's cool.

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 25, 2011 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

When it comes to life

I completely agree with you. With relationship issues, education/occupation issues, everything of the sort, I’m always calm and relaxed, willing to just chill and let things play out themselves.

For some reason, though, basketball brings out my strongest emotions. And considering this team has been to the playoffs one time in the past 18 years, we have a right to be angry. When I see this team budding with the potential to make a move at the playoffs, but we keep losing embarrassingly because our coach is so awful he doesn’t realize we have a better chance of scoring more points than the other team if the players with the best shooting percentages shoot the shots, nor is he capable of punishing a player for constantly playing selfishly (ineffectively, if I may add) and destroying team chemistry and potential to succeed.

If you don’t stress over the Warriors’ failures that can so easily be fixed, then this team is just not your number one passion. I mean no disrespect, but you must understand our frustrations.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Feb 25, 2011 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

No disrespect taken.

But I was bothered by this statement:

then this team is just not your number one passion.

You can call me an idiot, a fan of no sense for the game, or just outright stupid. I would be fine with your argument but ongline bunghurt.

But Don’t. Ever. Say. that i have no drop of passion for this team.

Warriors are my number one passion. thats why my family and close friends think I am absolutely WEIRD.

If my cousin says to me, “damn. you are a real fan,” numerous times. Hell yes I am. It is that serious to me because I do care about this team even though I take a different mental approach to this team and am so damn patient for this team. it is that SERIOUS to me so if suckaz can’t accept this, then get on with your OWN damn lives. I’ll live it the way I was born to.

You can blame Eric Sleepy Floyd for who the hell I am today. Ever since he scored 51 points on the Lakers in a playoff game (29 in the fourth) I was absolutely hooked. I was in the 5th grade. Shootin hoops with my classmates at recess talking about the game. All I got was a group laughter. “why do you like the Warriors?? hahahahaha!!! just like the Lakers. we are going to win. hahaha! Warriors. dont worry Romes. you will learn one day. that your team SUCKS! HAHAHA!”

Ya. I went home and I cried as a Warrior fan in the 5th grade. Ya the Warriors didn’t end up beating the Lakers. So what. I never killed my loyalty. Maybe thats why i do have a chip on my shoulder today.

Dude. I was in the 5th grade. I didn’t know any better. My Dad watched sports closely but never had a favorite team. He never told me…“dont ever back down and run to the winning team. Take control of your own destiny, be strong, be persistent, and stick with your instincts.”

I really don’t know where this relentless annoyingly strong allegiance comes from. I just know it exists ever since then.

So ya. Bash me all you want for what ideas I present because I know a lot of it is really STUPID. (YO SAM23. HOW ABOUT THAT BACKCOURT OF MONTA AND BELINELLI?)

Don’t ever bash me for my loyalty or passion. I know its there.

Go Warriors still.

[ throws mike dunleavy jr. brick at the world’s face ]

ROMESdavidWOOD37 has taken over the Ongline. He's cool.

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 26, 2011 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya. I went home and I cried as a Warrior fan in the 5th grade. Ya the Warriors didn’t end up beating the Lakers. So what. I never killed my loyalty.

 aw Romes, instead of sleepy floyd and his 51 points you shoulda been watching lucy pull away that football from little charley brown. That’s what 5th graders who grow up to be Dubs fans need to learn.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 26, 2011 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

lol. good point Skept.

Sup man! how u been besides us Warriors sucking to Atlanta yesterday and the Celtics in the 2nd half?

ROMESdavidWOOD37 has taken over the Ongline. He's cool.

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 27, 2011 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

THANK YOU!

all I read is complaint after complaint after complaint
let’s watch some ball and enjoy ourselves, cause we all know that this team isn’t gonna make the playoffs (if they do yay), but we know Lacob wants to win now, so that’s what’s happening… (not developing the young’ins)

I guess my biggest problem is lack of blame sharing, if Curry is so much better than Monta, then why isn’t Curry calling for the ball on every play, why hasn’t Smart admonished Monta for all the shots he’s taking? Why does it feel that this community sees everythin Curry does as infallible? Curry is constantly taking himself out of games due to his constant fouling, but I’m sure that’s Smart’s fault…
Something doesn’t add up… Maybe Dell is telling S. Curry to bide his time till he can get the hell out of here?

if Curry didn’t foul so often we’d assume he would have more playing time, and if he had more playing time (somewhere about the same as Monta), Curry would avg. 2 less shots per 40 mins of playing time (21 for Monta 19 for Curry) so I don’t see how Monta being a ball hog carries any weight at all..

I like the roster (yes even Kid Curry, but minus Andris, unless Andris can ever get back to his old self), all that is needed is a legit defensive big man (and a better bench, but one step at a time), there were no trades that the dubs could make to acquire a big man that wouldn’t have completely overhauled our roster, so we’ll wait for free agency

and why won’t players come here?
Divac to Sac
Arenas to DC
Mutombo to Atl
Nash to Pho
Brand to Phi
to name a few, but who would want to play for Cohen? no one, but is he here now?
We’re the 5th largest media market, players will come (if we also give them $$$$)

sure I’m gonna get ripped but oh wel

yay for rants

by Lew Ghost on Feb 26, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess my biggest problem is lack of blame sharing

Honestly, I dont think there is a problem in that department.

Both Monta and Curry get criticized heavily. From the Warrior conversations i get within my world of friends and family.

The strongest suggestion i get every day is breaking up that backcourt which i strongly disapprove of. If it happens. it happens. but we better get a damn good quality in return because of it.

People complain about Curry: “he isnt a point guard. he is a terrible passer. he could shoot. so what! we have other players that can score on the team.” My argument is, yes. maybe he is better off as an shooting guard. set screens for him. let him be more of a catch & shoot player. thats your opinion today. i think differently.

I would love curry as a reggie miller type of player. Rip Hamilton type when Detroit was awesome. BUTTTTTTTT….. I think curry can do a lot more.

he is such a SMART PLAYER that I think he will develop into a very GOOD GOOD player in due time. Fans and observers don’t have that patience, but can you see this guy in 2-3 years or even just next year? I think he could be incredibly GREAT. I know he loves hoops. he has a Dad that will teach him everything about the game…and he will LISTEN not just hear him out. He is also coachable so that is an absolute plus. I have NO WORRIES at all about CURRY.

I just remember last season when not just GSoM but all my friends that actually care about the Warriors. Who were Monta Fans in the past even. “trade monta. we got Stephen. Monta is done.” Sheez. im one of the biggest Monta fans. thats a dagger to me. but oh well. thats YOUR OPINION. just dont be wishy washy about what you think. because those same people today say…“no way. keep monta. trade steph while he has value now.”

Honestly. i am so sick of the wishy washy thought process that some people possess. if you wanna live your life that way. go ahead.

I aint gonna back down to what Lacob currently believes. Keep this backcourt. we’ll eventually find a front court thats AWESOME so all these bechin arse fans that complain on the daily will shut up and disappear.

I watched that clippers game vs. celts today. Man oh man i wish we had that front court of Kaman, DeAndre Jordan, Blake Griffin, Aminu, Craig Smith, (do they still have Ike Diogu?)

I dont care. man…imagine that front court with JUST CURRY & MONTA. man…we would be SOOO GOOD.

Imagine. We have David Lee. Udoh. what if we had calibers of Aminu Kaman and D.A. Jordan?

I hear the draft for 2011 is going to be weak. I hope that reputation stays that way because I bet you there are a lot of sleepers for big men that want to be REALLY GOOD IN THE NBA. give me those players with a chip on their shoulders. who want to eat up those sorry arse saps that claim to be “good big men” in the NBA.

Give me a sleeper of a big man who will rip those “good player big men hi i am complacent” to shreds.

Ya u hate this saying…..BE PATIENT. Lacob wants to be good with our FRONT COURT.

IT

WILL

HAPPEN.

go warriors still youuuu SUCKAZ.

ROMESdavidWOOD37 has taken over the Ongline. He's cool.

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 26, 2011 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

What I hope is the case here

Is that Lacob is not actually planning on building our future around Curry and Monta, but rather just using that as a cover up of the actual fact that there wasn’t any trade out there that would’ve made us better down the road. If that’s the case, I’m completely fine with his statements. If he’s actually being truthful, we must revolt, ‘cuz a backcourt this small has worked only one time in a league that’s been around for more than 60 years, and it worked because they were among the best defenders in the game.

Curry and Monta, with all due respect, will never be among the best defenders in the NBA, not even close, so building around them becomes a waste of the careers of two young stars, not to mention the time and money of an organization becoming restless.

The next question then becomes whether we build around Stephen or Monta, or just blow up the team and start over. Obviously, I feel shipping Monta out is the best scenario for this team, but I won’t argue about it right now. The point is that building around them both is just plain stupid.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Feb 25, 2011 10:07 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

I agree

The optimal plan is to play as effectively as possible, try to be a playoff caliber team with Monta and Steph and then make a trade from strength. Declaring that you don’t know if you can be successful with Steph and Monta just cuts into your bargaining abilities.

If the Warriors can somehow find the form they had going into the break, thereby finishing the year at 39-42 wins, they can rationalize that without Lee’s freak injury, they were a better than .500 team and just need to add pieces. Then make an under the radar trade of Monta during the off-season.

Of course if Lacob actually believes that building around Ellis, Lee, and Curry (for Lee is already a given with his contract) is a smart use of the next few seasons, then we might as well give up hoping for a good team.

by jakarta on Feb 26, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

We should build around Monta and David Lee.

They’re our two best players right now. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not dissing Steph Curry because I think he can be a future star, but he’s not there right now. He and Dorell Wright are nice pieces and definitely part of the puzzle. As for Andris Biedrins, he’s supposed to be producing right now and he’s not. We need to get rid of his contract. Maybe AB can get his game back like he was in 2007, but he’s not going to do it in GSW-land. He’s trade bait.

Let’s get down to brass tacks. Tonight, the Warriors started out flat and I was waiting for someone to pick up the slack, but no one did. The Hawks were just too strong inside and killed the Warriors on the boards. One shot and done is not going to do it. I was hoping Ekpe Udoh would step up, but he’s not that good. On defense he’s okay, but he’s not much on offense. I thought Lou was great on the boards because it seemed like he was getting a lot of caroms, but on offense he’s horrible. Is he the white Erick Dampier with hands of stone? David Lee and Monta Ellis kind of got it going, but the Warriors were in too big a hole to dig out from when they weren’t getting defensive rebounds and missing their shots on the other end. GM Larry Riley did not address the Warriors weaknesses. Maybe that was why they were flat. They lost a couple of fellow players and got nobody new back. Heck, I would try throwing Troy Murphy out there just to see what he could do at PF or C, but Larry Riley has already ruled it out. Riley sucks.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Feb 25, 2011 10:17 PM PST reply actions  

Why is Lee our 2nd best player?

"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Monta Ellis

by ejdacanay on Feb 25, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

And why is ellis our best?

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 25, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Cause he shows up in crunch time. He's the Warriors second best. Dorell is third.

Steph Curry doesn’t even show up. The nice thing about Curry is people have the perception he’s a real good player because he can shoot, he scores, he handles the rock nice and he makes flashy plays, but he’s not there yet. He’s got a ways to go. If the Warriors could trade Curry for Deron Williams because Williams won’t re-sign in New Jersey, that would be the ultimate rip off.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Feb 25, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

of course that's a rip off

there’s a reason Deron Williams is a top 5 PG in this league. BTW, Curry IS our most clutch player. Give Curry the rock down the stretch and nine times out of ten he’ll make a better, more team-oriented play than Ellis. Case in point: Ellis is known for two buzzer-beaters, but what else has he ever done in crunch time, or with the clock winding down at the end of quarters, other than taking a near-impossible shot, oblivious of his four teammates on the court?

Curry has shown the ability to score down the stretch whenever necessary, but he always looks to involve his teammates, such as down the stretch against Oklahoma City, where the two biggest clutch plays of the game consisted of Curry finding teammates on two consecutive possessions for wide open scores.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Feb 25, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually he has 3 buzzer beaters

He got one against NJ in 2007 I think

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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 25, 2011 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

What somebody did 4 years ago does not account for how valuable they are today

Allen Iverson was a superstar 4 years ago, as was Jermaine O’neal

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Feb 26, 2011 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm just saying

You said he’s had 2 buzzer beaters

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 26, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

k, last year when Kobe hit all those buzzer-beaters, people talked about all 7 or 8 he's hit, disregarding the countless others in his career.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Feb 26, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

You can't compare one if not the most clutch players in the NBA to Monta

Gotta have realistic expectations

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 26, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Kobe’s not “clutch.” He’s a really good player, but he’s never been particularly clutch.

No matter how you define crunch time — from the last five minutes of the fourth quarter or overtime to the last 24 seconds — and no matter how you define production — field goal percentage, offensive efficiency, […] Wins Produced, the results tell the same story: Bryant is about as likely to hit the big shot as any player.

As a general rule, you can expect players to perform in the “clutch” about as well (or unwell) as they do overall. Monta’s an off-and-on kinda sorta good player, so in the clutch he should be expected to perform off-and-on kinda sorta well.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 26, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Case in point: Ellis is known for two buzzer-beaters, but what else has he ever done in crunch time

A lot. If you honestly believe not, you haven’t watched many games the last two seasons (which I’d like to add, is the time frame Monta has been the designated first option in the end of games).

by Krazee max on Feb 26, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Curry isn't a crunch time player.

Like I said, he usually doesn’t show up. He’s made some stupid blunders during the end of games and other times, he’s been benched by Smart.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Feb 26, 2011 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

huh?

doesn’t curry have the most points and highest efficiency in the 4th quarter of anyone on our team…

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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 26, 2011 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup...but he don't care.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 26, 2011 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

So what does he show us on the defensive side of the ball? What does he show us in the low-post? Why is he only 4th in TRB% on our team? Just after today’s game look at Al Horford at +32, David Lee is at -30.

"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Monta Ellis

by ejdacanay on Feb 25, 2011 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

You contradict yourself

Building around players means preparing your team for future success, but you suggest building around our best players right now (btw Monta and Lee are not our 2 best) with the least amount of upside and you admit other players will be better in the future but we shouldn’t build around them instead.

Also, you pretty much just came to this conclusion after one single game. In my opinion, we wouldn’t have even been in such a big hole in the first place if we played through Curry to open the game. Monta iso’d possession after possession with limited results and it took him until around midway through the second to get going, but until then the rest of the team was completely out of it. Monta should never, I REPEAT NEVER, take THREE TIMES as many shots as Stephen Curry. It’s just a recipe for disaster. Curry not attempting his first shot until the waning moments of the first half is downright embarrassing for Keith Smart. Saying we should build around Monta and David Lee because they were our two leading scorers today is disrespectful to the rest of the team and everything that’s happened this season.

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by steffun4tw on Feb 25, 2011 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Monta should never, I REPEAT NEVER, take THREE TIMES as many shots as Stephen Curry. It’s just a recipe for disaster.

good thing the Dubs weren’t in Utah on Feb 16th then

by Lew Ghost on Feb 26, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

If the playoffs started today, Monta and David Lee would be the players that other playoff teams would want.

Not Curry. Maybe DWright, but if they could only choose two, then it would be Monta and David. I want to get to the playoffs now, so I would build around Ellis and Lee. If someone good came up like Deron Williams, then I’d be willing to trade Curry and a first round pick. Of course, one has to have gathered first round picks in order to trade (Riley hasn’t done that; He’s done the opposite, so the Ws miss out). As for Biedrins, we’d have to package someone like Wright or Curry in order to trade him. That’s why I was advocating getting rid of ABs contract any way possible such as trading for Chris Kaman. If we’re building around Ellis and Lee, then we could trade AB and Curry for Kaman and Bledsoe and a first round pick.

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by callahan on Feb 26, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 26, 2011 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, I admit I had a brain f*rt, but I'll deal that scrawy Stephen Curry for Deron Williams!!!

Deron Williams, Monta, David Lee and Dorell will make the Warriors respectable again. Playoffs baby! Maybe we’ll get lucky and pick up a decent center in the draft.

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by callahan on Feb 27, 2011 6:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I've been noticing a lot of David Lee love in here

You can’t build around him.

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by fr8nk the tank on Feb 26, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

if only....

i still regret Cohan screwing us on his way out and declining Ellison’s highest bid….
sigh

chris cohan: GREAT owner or GREATEST owner!?!?!!!

by czjlover4life on Feb 25, 2011 11:36 PM PST reply actions  

I agree that we need to give Lacob time to turn this team around. 3 months of ownership and some fans are already calling for his head. After suffering through Warriors futility for most of my life (I am 25), I am more than willing to give Lacob ample time to build the franchise I love into a winner.

by Slightly Hyphy on Feb 26, 2011 12:02 AM PST reply actions  

I don't see people calling for his head,

I am just worried at which way he is going to take this franchise. Is he going to keep Riley as his puppet GM so he can try himself to improve the roster? Does he really believe that Ellis/Curry is going to work and does he realize that David Lee has one of the worst contracts in the NBA? We are a bad team with only one bright spot (Curry), we need some radical changes to this team.

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by warriorsscore110 on Feb 26, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

 I’ve been a little harsh on Lacob, maybe unfairly.

However after watching the season ticket holder meeting i’m still very concerned. He said Brandan Wright was an expiring contract with no future in this organization….then went on to say they needed to find a low post scoring option… for this i need to smack him or Kirk. You cannot say both of these statements. Brandan Wright was a low post scoring option you numbnut. You gave him away for a 2nd round pick and you should be ashamed. He also talked about this core as if it were actually good. This is troubling. Monta and Lee are not good basketball players, imo anymore. They don’t positively affect their teams out comes, and that very much is true. How do you expect to improve this monstrosity of a team like this Joe? You give away good players, value Monta like he’s a superstar…wow. He won’t trade Ellis unless it’s for a superstar, and that is very troubling. He said we can’t just blow this up…why not? What’s going on right now isn’t working and it won’t work. Monta and Lee are 25 and 27 respectively. Unless you expect some massive improvement on their part (which won’t happen) this is what we have. A team 5 games below .500 featuring both of them. Guess who’s the only bright spot of this organization? Stephen Curry. If you trade this kid for anything under a legit superstar with a contract extension i’ll find you. I will stop watching warriors basketball, and i’m serious. Not for AR, not for BW, but you trade my Stephen Curry and never even give him the reigns of this team, and i’ll quit as a Warriors fan.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 26, 2011 12:57 AM PST reply actions  

dang

Don't Trade Monta
Bush is on Fire!
Huff likes it raw

by JohnnyDangerously on Feb 26, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Why did not steph and Monta play that bad two weeks ago?

We could have traded them for a bunch of D-leaguers. Now we are stuck

by Ambal on Feb 26, 2011 8:33 AM PST reply actions  

I just watched videos of the call-in.

It was Bob Fitzgerald (not Tim Roye) who hosted the phone call-in.

Also, wow, I had no idea how much the Warriors were hamstrung by the inability to trade their 1st round picks for the next several years. Thanks, Mullin.

by IQofaWarrior on Feb 26, 2011 9:23 AM PST reply actions  

Totally agreed, in substance and tone.

Though I appreciate Lacob’s efforts at “transparency,” I mostly wish he’d just shut his mouth, work quietly behind the scenes with Riley, and get back to us when he’s done something to fundamentally revamp the team — ideally involving moving Biedrins, Lee, and Monta. The fact that he keeps stressing that Monta is an important building block for a winning franchise is especially troubling: either he actually believes it or is just fronting to build up Monta’s trade value. If the former, he’s a silly fanboy who’s blind to the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If the latter, he’s a lying fox who has no issues crushing Monta’s feelings when a trade comes down.

I’m kinda hoping it’s the latter, but I’m increasingly convinced it’s the former. Looks like we may be treated to three more years (or more, if we’re crazy enough to extend) watching Monta pile up losses with his predictable drives, flat jumpers, and rotten, gambling defense. Yay.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 26, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh jeez…i don’t think i can take another year of losing Monta ball. It’s so boring.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 26, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Lacob has been declaring these two things since the day he took over:

1. That he knows a lot about NBA basketball

2. He will be “very involved” with personnel decisions.

This dude has had red flag written all over him since day one. Wait and see . . .

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 26, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm definitely concerned...

I’m hoping that he’s using ‘GM-speak’ with the media as the monk suggested above, but I don’t like what I’m hearing. I’m still waiting for him to actually put his stamp on the franchise before I really pass any judgment on the guy, but the more I hear from him, the more I think I’m going to start ignoring what he says and wait to see what he does.

So far it sounds like he bought this team to play GM, which is a position he is not qualified for. If he really wants to build something here, he should look to hire a proven basketball mind with a respectable track record, and a strong enough character to stand up to Mr. Lacob. If he wants to surround himself with successful business men with no NBA experience, family members, yes men, and NBA guys who are just happy to have a job, then he is asking for failure here.

Maybe the guy will prove to be a basketball genius. He’s obviously a very intelligent man, but as a fan I don’t have any reason to trust his judgment on basketball at this point. He’s been too busy becoming an incredibly successful VC to actually live and breath basketball the way he’d have us think.

by olympicmike on Feb 26, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I got pretty worked up reading this, but onlxn post pretty much summed up....

my thoughts. Riley has to go there are so many other brillant basketball minds out there that we can scoop up this summer. In fact, I dont care how good Rowell is at promoting a losing basketball team or what small incremental imporvements Smart has made on a 26 win team but if Lacob and Guber want to make a statement they need to get rid of the leftovers from the Cohan era.

My biggest question is if a team with Cury and Ellis can not make the playoffs (best 8 of 15 teams), the idea of them winning a championship with them is ridiculuos. Hopefully it’s just lip service and one of them will be moved. This is a 35 win ball club at the moment with only one young player that we can build around. It’s time to accept the realities and start tearing it down, to build it up properly.

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by warriorsscore110 on Feb 26, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't understand the hate for Lacob.

He’s barely half way through the season. Give the guy a break. You can’t fix a messed up franchise in one season.

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by fr8nk the tank on Feb 26, 2011 10:45 AM PST reply actions  

You can’t fix a messed up franchise in one season.

No, but you can have a plan of how to fix it. What many of us disagree with is Lacob’s (apparent) plan for the future. He is setting us up for a 5- to 10-year run of mediocrity. Maybe you think that’s an improvement over the last 5 to 10 years, but many of us think that any vision that doesn’t have the championship as the ultimate goal in mind is fundamentally flawed. Lacob doesn’t seem to have that vision, or his strategy for obtaining it is extremely suspect. Either way, it’s not good.

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by Evanz on Feb 26, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

selling the product, sounding positive

has to be one of the owner’s highest priorities. If Lacob understands hoops better than what he’s presenting in public, he probably doesn’t think the team will get over .500 for the season and sees the draft lottery as most assured means of gaining talent, due to the uncertainties around the labor dispute. A losing record will also give him license to replace Smart, if that’s how he is already disposed.

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by the.monk on Feb 26, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

Truth be told, as frustrated as I am, what he’s saying is
nothing new. What owner says there team sucks?

Ainge sayd Jefferson/Green were there building blocks until the day he got Garnett. etc.etc.etc.

by tafkasam on Feb 26, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

he brought it on himself

he should have just kept his mouth shut instead of saying how he was going to be making the “bold moves” to pull the team out of the gutter. He made it sound like it was going to be happening now versus later. That raised people’s expectations and got their hopes up — I know it did for me. I don’t get this “building around” people. What makes him think that by the time he’s done with his “building around” Monta and Curry that they’ll even still be Warriors? Do you think Monta is going to stay with GSW when he’s available to bolt? Forget the “building around” and get a solid center who can rebound, add to the score, isn’t soft and can defend without fouling and you’d have a decent team now. I doubt if Ellison would have been as concerned about going over the luxury tax now if it meant delivering a team worthy of being called a contender.

by centerre on Feb 26, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Nobody’s expecting the franchise to be fixed or the team to be good immediately. (Hell, I wish the team was actually worse this year, because I’d rather see us get a high draft pick than battle our way to tenth place). You can’t move heaven and earth in six months. But you can recognize the team’s obvious flaws, the overwhelming one being that it doesn’t have enough defensive talent to compete. A Curry/Monta/Dorell/Lee/Biedrins lineup will never defend adequately; really, any lineup that includes Curry, Monta and Lee will have a tough time defending adequately. It’s not about building on top of the core. The core itself has to be fixed.

Now, maybe Lacob realizes this, and he’s just keeping it to himself. But if he does realize it, why is he going out of his way to defend that core, and to talk about how Monta’s “going to be here a long time”, and to praise the general manager that put it together?

Nobody’s saying Lacob should have the team working already. But he should understand why it’s not working. He doesn’t seem to. That’s a very troubling sign.

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by onlxn on Feb 26, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

The best way to build a championship contender is to build around a point guard and a good big man

We have the first part (Curry) and now we need to find a center. It ould be nice if we could keep our core and find a good one in the offseason, but if we can’t, then we are going to need to sacrifice some pieces in order to get one.

by duballers23 on Feb 26, 2011 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

Or just start over with Curry.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 26, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Says nothing about building thru the draft smh.

"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2

by golden_solitude on Feb 26, 2011 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

I hope I am wrong

but the more I hear from this guy the more it reminds me of Dan Synder, redskins owner, who talks a big game and willing to spent money, but have no idea how to run a successful team and fans suffer as a result.

by sfniners4life on Feb 26, 2011 12:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Didn't see if anyone gave the transcript links.

http://www.nba.com/warriors/fanzone/owners_box_022511.html

And it was Fitz with Lacob.

I have yet to listen, will do that soon.

Based on the read, I am ok with waiting for now to see what we can do. The CBA has a lot more influence on this year’s trade market (I know, excuses) than most people understand. Once there are solid numbers to work with, be a hard salary cap etc., we will see what the team can get. We waited through 16 years of C.C. so I can handle waiting until this ownership has a full off-season to work with. It hasn’t been a full season and they were given reigns to the franchise after the off-season market was done. I give 2 more seasons for a noticeable change.

by JayKoh83 on Feb 26, 2011 12:51 PM PST reply actions  

Some thoughts...

The tone of the writing on this site goes hand in hand with the winning/losing streaks of the team. I may be wrong, I know I’m often times guilty of this. I guess that’s perfectly fine for fans to be that way, but it would be nice for us to look at the bigger picture. Although the last to games have been frustrating to watch, the team already has as many wins as it did last year. It’s difficult to be patient as Warrior fans, but becoming irritated because we don’t have a contender over night isn’t going to help anything.

With that said, I’m not to thrilled that Lacob strongly believes we can be a perennial contender with a Ellis/Curry back court. Sure its possible, but history shows its not very common or traditional. If he plans to build the the team this way, he better get those big guys within the next year or so. A franchise that has been has unsuccessful as we have shouldn’t be trying to become successful in an unorthodox fashion. Why take the more difficult path?

Also, similar to how people feel Curry has been underutilized (most of this goes on the coach), I think Lee is the same way. At the beginning of the season, I was expecting the two (Lee/Curry) to be running the pick and roll nearly every play similar to how Nash/Paul play with their big men. Other than that, Lee’s defense is as bad as we all expected.

My advice for the team still stands from the end of last season: Bigger, defensive minded shooting guard capable of spreading the floor and a high percentage, post-up center who finishes well around the basket.

Possible SG: Aflalo, Iguodala, J. Richardson (not really defensive minded), etc.
Possible C: D. Jordon, M. Gasol, Oden (risk), T. Chandler, etc.

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by dont_stop_believin' on Feb 26, 2011 1:08 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I like Affalo

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by fr8nk the tank on Feb 26, 2011 1:45 PM PST reply actions  

I like Afflalo

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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 26, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Groupies lust afflalo

ROMESdavidWOOD37 has taken over the Ongline. He's cool.

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 27, 2011 2:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Point #4 is moot.

You don’t go full steam ahead with your own stupid half-baked plan. You build your plan around what is proven and what works. All he is doing is taking queues from those who have been successful in this new era of NBA management. If you can’t get down with that because it’s “not original enough.” Then what you’re asking for isn’t a good NBA Owner. You’re asking for some glitz and glam dumbass who’s going to try to sell you on HIS brand of management, and not what works.

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by slapchop on Feb 26, 2011 2:13 PM PST reply actions  

Good points about Curry

He really is the most attractive aspect of the Warriors right now. It would be foolish to trade him when you factor in the visibility he gives the team off the court.

Curry also provides cover for Monta who doesn’t really seem like he’d be comfortable being the face of the franchise.

Over

by cybermaldonado on Feb 26, 2011 2:21 PM PST reply actions  

I couldn’t give a damn about who’s the ‘face’

the dubs draw well regardless of our roster

and the only thing that matters is winning

by Lew Ghost on Feb 26, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

the point of this entire post.......

…. is that Lacob wants to make this an attractive place for free agents.

If you really care about winning then you should care about what face the Warriors show to the outside world.

Over

by cybermaldonado on Feb 26, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

If you really care about winning then you should care about what face the Warriors show to the outside world.

what???? that’s ridiculous!!!! Do you think the Celtics care who the face is? Do you think D Howard enjoys being the face of a franchise that has no ring? Winning shows the outside world that you care about winning

if the dubs win there is no need for a ‘poster player’
and really? the players sure do seem to speak very positively about Monta, and the players are the only opinions I’m listening to (cause they decide where they play, not the fans)…

by Lew Ghost on Feb 26, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

My thoughts

1. Just because Lacob says Curry/Monta are here to stay doesn’t mean they necessarily are. He has to say that to keep trading power. If he says otherwise, with any hint of doubt, his position is weakened.

2. Kind of same point with Riley and Smart. He has to support them. And the fact he’s mentioned some doubt about Smart and his rotations means he really has some doubts there.

3. He’s right to ask the fans for more than 3 months. Most people, just like when they diss an incoming president for the outgoing ones mess, are dissing new ownership when they came into the process too late to make changes this year. Sure, they could have flushed the house out, but not really once the season started.

4. With Riley it’s hard to know how much is truth and fiction. Did Riley give out more 2nd round picks than he had to in the Lee and Maggette deals?

My impression of Riley is that he’s an overly nice, gee shucks kind of guy. He’s made some good moves (Curry, Dorell) but he seems, like most Warriors GMs of the last 20 years, to overvalue any talent we get, wait too long to trade them when their value is waning, and in general just be kind of “golly gee, let’s wait and see on this.”

Good GMs recognize what they need to do, whether it’s “harsh” and seemingly quick, before the thing plays out. Warriors GMs, and Riley seems like this, don’t recognize enough ahead of time what their individual players project as, and their team.

5. If Lacob wants to “win as many games as possible now,” then why dump a helpful towards that B Wright for just a 2nd rounder? Oh yeah, we gave away too many of those earlier and now think we have to. Right or wrong (and really, it’s not a huge deal to me either way, just saying) the Ws are depth less, bench less as they try to win now. BW could have at least helped out, and with any, for once, playing time, could also have shown more clearly what to do with him long term. BW never had that chance, and that’s what mystifies me. Why not see, for sure, what you had there instead of trusting Smart’s opinion, which again, never had BW playing much to test.

by supersugarCrisp on Feb 26, 2011 3:07 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Oh yeah, one more thing

Mr Lacob: Your “bottomline” statement about wins is misleading, like most bottomline kind of thinking is.

The W’s have won more this year because they’ve been VASTLY more healthy.

by supersugarCrisp on Feb 26, 2011 3:17 PM PST reply actions  

You're kidding, right?

I like Lee (with a different C.) I like Udoh, although he jumps really slow mo style.

You’re one of these “no excuses” guys. Well, sorry. The actually paid to play ball human beings that were our best to do that, almost ALL went down for much of the last two seasons. How does that not make you lose many ballgames? And how does relative good health, like this season, not help you?

You’re out of reality here man. League leading injuries the last two years vs a pretty damn healthy year makes all the difference in the world and is not an excuse. Only shallow, bottomline “thinking” thinks it doesn’t.

by supersugarCrisp on Feb 26, 2011 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

what are you talking about?

Portland has had way more injuries than we have, and they’re ahead of us in the standings. We lost Curry for a few games, Lee for a a few more, but we’ve been mostly healthy aside from that. We’re not losing all these games due to injuries…we’re losing due to lack of talent.

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by Evanz on Feb 26, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Golden State Warriors owner Joe Lacob reveals strategy: Build around Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis

Haha, was that before the Atlanta game?
   Maybe that one will finally turn on the light bulb?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 26, 2011 5:13 PM PST reply actions  

rofl a warning. we aren’t adults here.

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by slapchop on Feb 26, 2011 5:20 PM PST reply actions  

FYI

That wasn’t a “warning” so much as it was a way to give you the chance to repost your comment minus the language that wasn’t GSoM friendly. Since you probably clicked through without reading it, here is your previous post:

"Bottomline thinking is misleading. Let me use an example to make my point."

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the overall health of our team, because our bench is far shorter than it was last year. And the pieces we did pick up have all been out with injuries at some point in time during this year. The fact of the matter is that we’re a better team this year because of the moves we made in the offseason. You might not like it because they weren’t guaranteed playoff moves, but David Lee, overpaid or not, has equated to more wins. Udoh has come up in the clutch in 3 games I can remember, and we needed every single bit of that. Radman even won us a game, but those two former examples in particular have led to a better team chemistry, higher morale, and the ability to pull out some very good wins this year. Wins we wouldn’t have had last year. Blame whoever you want, but Smart keeps these players believing they can win. That’s better than Nellie could do after We Believe, and better than any of the other coaches before him.

You want scapegoats. There aren’t any. We are making improvements, and I’m glad Lacob doesn’t give a damn if it’s fast enough for you.

by olympicmike on Feb 27, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Who Are Jacob's 9 Targeted Bigs? Could Any Of These Actually Make The W's A Playoff Team Next Year?

When I scan HoopsHype-NBA Salaries I think I can identify the 9 with expiring contracts that the Warriors are targeting. Glen Davis, Tyson Chandler, Nene, Yao Ming, , Zack Randolph, Marc Gasol, David West, Kendrick Perkins, and Greg Oden. I would normally just eliminate the 2 injured ones (Ming and Oden) but we have actually heard rumors that the Warriors are interested in them.

Of these 9 in my view only three would actually be likely to lead the Warriors to the playoffs next year (Nene, Randolph, and West). The other 6 have either too many holes in their game (Davis, Chandler, and Gasol) or are just not likely to be healthy enough (Ming, Perkins, and Oden) to actually make this kind of difference.

by giantsrainman on Feb 26, 2011 10:56 PM PST reply actions  

I think Kaman is available too

If I am the owner and I really care about wining, I will use my expires + a bad contract to trade with two bad contracts good/star players.

expires + cap space + beans for Iggy and Brand

Love to see expires + beans for Zack + Gasol but until we have very good GM, I don’t think Memphis will do it.

by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Feb 26, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Kaman's Contract Goes Thru Next Season. The W's Only Have $6.5M In Expirings Next Season.

This season it is now too late trade deadline has passed) to make a trade with the $19.5M in expirings that the W’s have. All we can do now is hope that these expiring contracts create cap space to allow the W’s to sign on of the 3 “Bigs” I identified that can actually make a difference and lead us ot the playoffs.

by giantsrainman on Feb 26, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Lacob needs to fire Stooge Larry Riley and hire Kevin Pritchard. He can build the Ws back up again!

I think his worst deal was picking Greg Oden instead of Kevin Durant, but everyone wanted Oden. OKC got lucky that they were second and the Warriors unlucky they weren’t.

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by callahan on Feb 27, 2011 6:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I would like Gasol, West, or Oden. Maybe baby

Well i would like any of them.
Besides Yao.

Don't Trade Monta
Bush is on Fire!
Huff likes it raw

by JohnnyDangerously on Feb 27, 2011 2:43 AM PST up reply actions  

One Good Thing Lacob Has Done

Despite the derision the “marketing move” to sign Jeremy Lin has received from fans, it’s one of the few positive results Lacob can point to. Lin doesn’t fit well with the current roster but has shown enough game, especially on defense and overall competitiveness, to be attractive to another team that doesn’t feature “gunners.” Perhaps the Warriors can add another 2nd round draft choice to the stable by moving him, and we can then look forward to him being one of the many former players returning to torch the team.

by Get Jie on Feb 27, 2011 7:41 AM PST reply actions  

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