Sacramento has lost its Kings
by callahan on Feb 27, 2011 6:26 AM PST
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It's not official yet, but the chances are 80 - 20 the Maloofs will move the Kings to Anaheim. It adds up to ten years of collective failure for Sacramento in getting an entertainment and sports complex built. They tried with raising the sales tax twice, re-building a new arena next door, moving it to Cal Expo or downtown and even a 3-way with local developers, the city and the State of California. They could not get it done even with Kevin Johnson as mayor. Do you think some of the Kings fans will become Warriors fans again (and will you welcome them back?) or will the twain never meet?
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i dont see a reason why they cant, although
im currently in sacramento, but a huge warriors fan being from san francisco and i hope they televise the warriors in sacramento again, knock on wood*
DUBfan4life!!!!
i just dont understand why the LA area needs another basketball team
it seems like a bit much
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
especially a crappy one
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Feb 27, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
+1
Three basketball teams in one area is way too much! They should’ve moved up to Seattle. Those fans were did dirty when the Sonics left town. They deserve a basketball team.
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by JonDoe on Feb 28, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The population of Orange County is over 3 mil
Not to mention, Anahiem is much more accessible for people in San Diego County (3 mil), San Bernadino County (2 mil) and Riverside county (2 mil).
Third team in Southern california market is still bigger than 2/3rd of nba, and certainly bigger than Sacramento.
Though actually it would be a considerably greater commute from San Diego to Anaheim than it presently is from Sacramento to Oakland.
It’s too bad that back in what? 2002 the Kingsgot the raw end of that officiating scandal in game 6 with the Lakers. They might have had a real opportunity at that time, to get their fanbase off the ground. Now the valley has been economically ravaged by the housing bubble being burst, and the taxbase just doesn’t look good.
As has been pointed out, the Maloofs are getting a sweetheart deal.. I don’t think any municipalities are really in a position to build a new arena in this economy,much less a football stadium, though they’ll probably try it anyway. Building a stadium for the 49er’s organization in Santa Clara for what would effectively be 10 dates a year in this economic climate, certainly seems on the surface to be an absurd fleecing of the taxpayer. Miami’s having bitter political fallout from building a new stadfium for the Marlins. I expect that those kind of conflicts will only continue.
by War Years Legacy on Feb 27, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know the parameters of the deal in place
Do you know what sort of exactions, transit assessment fees, etc are involved in the proposed deal?
by fuller over bryant on Feb 28, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
i just dont understand why the LA area needs another basketball team
They don’t, but what I can’t understand is why folks are so focused on the stadium and not the basketball. Are they really that shallow that they need a fancier place to sit their butts while watching a game? I’ve been to Kings games and never once thought I needed a new building to enjoy their games.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 27, 2011 10:39 AM PST reply actions
You're right
I went to Arco for the Vlad-Rad thriller, and I wasn’t inclined to say “Man, they need a new stadium.” The quality of the arena did not diminish how the basketball was played. And yeah, the LA area doesn’t need a new basketball team—I realize it’s a big market, but c’mon.
by Warrior Mentality on Feb 27, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
The issue is rarely one that involves your standard “sit in a seat” fan, but more an issue of luxury accommodations and boxes. The price of regular seats is market driven and the quantity sold is tightly tied to the team’s success. But teams make considerable amounts on luxury boxes from corporate clients.
you hit the nail on the head. Arco is very limited in this capacity.
but why punish the fans for that? The NBA should make the teams consider the good of the sport along with the owners profits. Arco has been there long enough to likely be a pretty cheap place to run now, so lower income can still provide sufficient profits to the owner? A lot of time the benefit to the owner of slightly higher profits doesn’t over ride the damage done to the local economy by a team moving. and what about the cost to the Anaheim taxpayers? Do they have to pay for the Kings coming to town? In the end it might be just a big shell game with everyone but the maloofs losing out when it’s all played out??
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 27, 2011 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 28, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I feel bad for the Kings fans that are still around.
I'm looking forward to the Warriors being led to the playoffs by Monta Ellis AND Stephen Curry.
Wow Anaheim might be the worst sports fan base out there.
Sacramento is a rare place in professional sports…very disappointed with Stern, he needs to go. Such a shallow person.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 27, 2011 11:48 AM PST reply actions
Stern, I am disappoint
Anaheim does not need a Basketball team. Sacramento is probably a better place. Las Vegas and Seattle don’t have a team yet, San Jose doesn’t. Why Anaheim? I guess this is good for Lacob because competition moves away. I really liked the Kings, Warriors rivalry and really wanted to see the two teams face each other in the playoffs someday, that would have been so insane.
forget anaheim
bring them to sanjose and get a real ruckus going. san jose kings vs san francisco warriors. that’d be sickk
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Yes, I support this!
They should come to SJ and start kicking ass. The Warriors, with no local competition, have not been punished for their decades of suck. Give both teams an incentive to get better.
by Billy Frijoles on Feb 28, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Kings have a good fanbase. Although there’s somewhat a norcal rivalry between the Dubs and Kings, I never really hated them. Hopefully there’s a chance for them to stay.
Yeah.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 27, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
If I was a Kings fan and wanted to support another team
It wouldn’t be us…..
Sad but true, were a mess. If we got contracted for whatever reason I’d become a Miami fan
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I would become a Warriors fan
It is the next closest thing for people in Sacramento for it to be local. Most people from Sacramento are familiar with the Bay Area. For whatever I have loyalty to franchises more than location though. If the Warriors ever moved far away I’d probably still be a fan of the franchise, although it would no longer make any logical sense.
by brutusbrutus on Feb 27, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
I’d become a Miami fan
I like you so much less now. I’d think more of you if you became a LAkers or Celtics fan. Atleast they got some history.
Eitherway, for a second team, it’d be the knicks. Hard not to like them if you ever venture to MSG. Only arena i’ve been to which compares to Oracle in terms of overall atmosphere
Any fans > laker fans. C’mon.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 27, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I've always liked LBJ, CB and Wade
Now they are together. Easy choice for me
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Same, i like them all.
Not really a big fan of the team though, but i want them to disprove the haters!
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 28, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
MSG = Cow Palace
I’ve been to MSG to watch a Knicks game and I had a sense of deja vu when I was walking around. Then it suddenly dawned on me, I felt like I was walking around the Cow Palace.
Why would they move to Anahiem?
Hasn’t there been talk about having a team in Vegas? Las Vegas Kings has a pretty good ring to it. Also, don’t the Maloofs own the Palms or something?
For one, they already have the Pond and are able to offer the Maloofs a sweet incentive-laden deal for them to move.
Also, the Maloofs are based in Las Vegas which is a commuter hop to Anaheim. Mainly, the Maloofs are frustrated that Sacramento has not been successful in building a new stadium for over ten years. The Sacramento metro area has a population of over 2 million, so they should be able to support a team and build an entertainments and sports complex, but they lack corporate sponsorship and its citizens do not understand how a sports team works in today’s world. A city or metropolitan area has to build a sports complex or they won’t come or in this case stay. ARCO arena is small by today’s standards and it lacks the amenities that a sports team would want. To add insult to injury, the Maloofs would probably want to sell the arena to the City of Sacramento after they move or they can continue to operate it.
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I would feel bad for Kings fans to become Warriors fans because we suck
Then again… Kings sucks too. Haha..
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Feb 27, 2011 8:21 PM PST reply actions
But they have hope.
Another top 5 pick and tons of cap space.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 27, 2011 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Well because Udoh's not very good.
Curry’s better than either of those 2, by a good margin.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 27, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
From a future perspective, they are better (both younger than Curry). Tyreke is going through personal struggles / injuries this season and Cousins is a rookie (so it’s not fair to judge they way they’re playing). If the Kings offered me Cousins and Evans for Curry and Udoh, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Both of their ceilings are higher than Curry’s, especially Cousins. Cousins would be the deal breaker for me because the guy can flat out play. Yes, he has problems with his efficiency, but all young players do and he was drafted as a freshmen, not a junior. He has all the tools to be a dominant big in the league.
I agree with trading those two for Curry and Udoh because Udoh sucks.
But i’m sure as hell wouldn’t trade Curry for Evans. I might do Curry for Cousins but he’s played like crap. Skills are there, i’d ask for Omri, and a first round pick too.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 27, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
I would take Curry and Udoh over Tyreke and Cousins
Tyreke is inefficient and does not play in a smart fashion and I think Cousins hasn’t showed much and will ultimately end up being not as great as his potential. While Curry will have a better career than Evans and Udoh will have a long unremarkable career of consistency. I’d rather have Udoh and Curry than Tyreke and Cousins for now and for the future.
by brutusbrutus on Feb 28, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Haha. Yes, Tyreke is inefficient, but he is young with huge upside. Again, he’s been going through personal struggles and he’s 21 years old. I don’t know why you say Cousins hasn’t showed much? He’s got the tools to be a dominant big in the league. He can rebound well, pass well, and has mean low post game. Yes, him and Tyreke are inefficient, but they’re also young and young players tend to struggle with their efficiency. I wouldn’t do Curry for Tyreke, but throw in Cousins and I’m all for it.
You have a case for Cousins.
Not really for Tyreke. He is younger than Curry, but his style of game isn’t very conducive to winning. He’s a ball dominant guard who can’t pass very well or score very efficiently. My understanding is that lots of NBA decision makers are down on Tyreke because of this. They worry about how good your team can be with Tyreke as its leading scorer/ballhandler.
Cousins is definitely intriguing and makes the trade closer because he has so much distance between him and Udoh. However, he is clearly a knucklehead.
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by Reverend_Randy on Mar 1, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
I think Cousins hasn’t showed much and will ultimately end up being not as great as his potential.
not as great as his potential is still greater than those other 3 players.
One can’t learn Cuz’s size and skills, but one can learn to increase their work ethic.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 28, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
it's not fair to say udoh sucks
if your expecting a 20 10 guy then your kidding yourself, I think he can be a very good player, people forget he missed a good portion of the season, I will make a decision on udoh at this time next year.
by GSdubsfan41 on Feb 27, 2011 11:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Adonal Udoh is a defensive role player.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 27, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
For the role he plays he’s very good
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And for the 6th pick in the NBA draft, you;d expect much better.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 28, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
I did not really expect "much better".
“Much Better” big men prospects tend to go 1,2 or rarely 3. They only fall to 3 in a deep draft. That was a weak draft. At 6 I expected only a project big man and that’s what Udoh is.
by KillaContract on Feb 28, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Minor quibble
At six I would have liked to see a “project big man” but I don’t think that’s what we got. To me a ‘project’ is a young player with high upside, but enough problems to make him risky and require a more long term view. At his age I think Udoh is too close to his max potential to be considered a project. After about a year or two in the league I suspect he’ll be pretty much at his full potential, and sadly I don’t think it will be all that different from what he’s giving us now.
by olympicmike on Feb 28, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Look at Greg Monroe.
He’s looking really good right now.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 28, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
I agree he looks better on paper now and for the draft but have you seen him play much? The few times I watched him he has a very award gate when he runs and seems to have trouble running the floor. I guess this is what the Warriors saw in his try outs.
by KillaContract on Feb 28, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
So the Warriors prefer aesthetics over production?
This is a major problem.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 28, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
This is a ironic comment to be from someone who I believe likes to criticize someone for their T-rex arms. I think the following is a better argument.
The Warriors preferred athletics over production.
by KillaContract on Feb 28, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Well actually the T-Rex arms are a major problem for his defense.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 28, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Sure...
I agree he looks better on paper now and for the draft but have you seen him play much? The few times I watched him he has a very award gate when he runs and seems to have trouble running the floor. I guess this is what the Warriors saw in his try outs.
If he didn’t have some warts he wouldn’t have been available at pick #6, but at three years younger with a bigger frame, he is more of an actual “project” center. I think at the time of the draft, and still today, you’d have to say that Monroe looks more likely to eventually become a quality NBA starter. That’s not to say there wasn’t, and still isn’t, any risk, because there definitely is.
I said this then, and I still believe I would have taken the higher upside guys in Monroe or Aminu. I think it does make sense for a team like the W’s to go with a project at #6, instead of an older player that is likely closer to his peak as a player.
Let's not re-write history
The #6 pick came when it Nelson was still aboard. Greg Monroe probably looked OK, but not for a running Nelson team that desperately needed a long defensive big. And because this season would almost assuredly have been Nelson’s last, he wouldn’t have been interested in a long term project. Udoh was a logical choice given the circumstances and had he had the benefit of a training camp he no doubt would be more impressive.
honestly
if they were basing it on whether Nelson was the coach or not, that would be an epic disaster of a decision and make it look ten times worse.
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Not re-writing history...
Just saying that I’m more a fan of choosing the best player available with the highest upside when your team sucks, instead of picking for need. There was a case for picking Udoh, but that case mostly centered around Udoh fitting a need (interior defense) and being ready to contribute sooner than other bigs like Monroe.
If you look up you’ll see that KC was claiming that Udoh was a “project big” and I don’t think that was the case at all. Monroe would have been a “project”, and one I would have rather had than Udoh. I wasn’t really a fan of any of our options at #6, but given the circumstances I would have rolled the dice on a high upside player.
I’m not sure how much Nelson was involved in the decision, but from my perspective as a fan I don’t really care. I want what’s best for my team, and I don’t think Udoh was the right choice at the time. Even if Monroe and Aminu don’t pan out, I’d still say that going with one of those guys would have been the right move. We were in no position to be drafting a guy that fits a need with limited upside.
There were a lot of people, myself included, who were in favor of drafting someone like Aminu, Monroe or even Paul George at our position. Udoh was not the logical choice. He was projected as a late lottery pick, not a 6th-8th pick like Aminu and Monroe were.
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by Reverend_Randy on Mar 1, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Monroe looks good now
after looking bad early, and still being given a lot of minutes and eventually starts to improve.
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by Uwe Blog on Feb 28, 2011 12:41 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Larry Ellison buys Kings...
…moves them to San Jose. He wants to upstage Lacob&Gruber.
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now that would be a rivalry...
…NBA probably too dumb to see it and instead puts another team in lala-land
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by Bonaparte69 on Feb 28, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
now that would be a rivalry... …NBA probably too dumb to see it
Can two teams in one area have a rivalry? The A’s and Giants don’t seem to be rivals as much as cousins?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 28, 2011 9:24 PM PST reply actions
i think its a horrible move going to anaheim
does socal really need another basketball team in the lakers shadow? they should of moved the team to san jose or las vegas. i dont understand how there is no professional sports teams in vegas it just seems like a natural fit.
And how many basketball fans in Socal aren't already lakers or blake fans?
How big of a fanbase do they think they can attract? You can have the latest state of the art place to play, but if you have no fans, what’s the point? Not only do I think it’s bad for the league, but I would argue it’s bad for business. Seattle would be cool. I can see why they wouldn’t move to San Jose, because from what I remember, they would have to pay the Warriors 100 Mil. And there is a major stigma attached to Las Vegas, because the leagues don’t want teams that close to gambling. Plus here in Modesto, I get games on CSNBAY and CSNCA and ESPN and TNT. I would hate to lose one of those basketball channels. It’s really sad that Sac is losing it’s team. But if it benefits the Warriors by selling more tickets because there’s no competition, I can get over it, I guess.
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