Enough is Enough

I’m going to go out on a limb and say most of the time when people want to trade one of them, it’s to get better, at least in their opinion. When we look at those 2, it’s pretty obvious without some elite frontcourt player or Lebron James, we won’t ever compete for a title with those 2 as our starting backcourt. They don’t fit well enough offensively and can’t guard most team’s 1’s and 2’s. Maybe the problem is they are our 2 best players or are perceived that way. They aren’t good enough to be our 2 best players, if we want to be successful. I think Curry can be one of our two top players on a winning team. I’m pretty convinced Monta can’t because you need to find rare circumstances where he has a point guard who can guard 2’s for him. And Curry’s just the flat out better player, whether you go by APM, Wins Produced, Win Shares because he has elite TS% on a similar volume as Monta (who has average efficiency), better rebounding, passing, and possibly positional defense. The debates really over but people want to drag it out clamoring for their ‘guy’ Monta, who’s a pretty chill dude, is entertaining, and has longer team tenture. I’m sure that’s why some people do like him more than Curry. But i also suspect it’s because PPG, which frequently screws with the mind in terms of basketball evaluation. Curry scores 19 a game. Monta scores 25. It’s a hard concept for some to believe that someone who scores so much more than the other guy with a decent FG, and 3P % is actually worse. But when the evaluation stops being so superficial it’s easy to see who the best player is between the two.
Currently this backcourt was 19-45 together last year (discounting games they missed) and 19-21 together this year. Many of fans of this franchise are tired of being mired in mediocrity with a non winning formula like we’ve had the past 17 years. That’s not going to cut it. We need to be a good team. Will we ever with this backcourt? I honestly doubt it.

I think a lot of people on this site have just already made up their mind.

I’ve no faith that this is going to make anyone reconsider their stance. There’s three schools of thought here now pretty much:

Trade Ellis
Trade Curry
Trade Neither

Some waver back and forth but for the most part people have decided to back the one they like more. And because that apparently requires bashing the other, it’s only reinforced the decisions being made in the minds of fans. What I am glad to know, though, is that this is primarily something having to do with GSOM, rather than the Warriors fan base as a whole. I still feel like if I went out to Oracle and asked any number of fans, I’d get a strong majority in favor of trading neither. I guess there’s hope.

paired with Steph would be such ridiculous backcourt.

Can we template this post? It would make a nice companion to my trade template.

 Haha, that’s your problem. Those other fansite sites know nothing about basketball, they are just homers with no lives. Stick to your GSofM homeboys and you’ll get the truth.
We want to build a winning team not make kumbaya with Binky and Montay. Study up on the height of the basket in relation to the height of the players and you’ll see why taller players are more desirable in most positions, there’s a reason the NBA has a lot of tall guys in it.

And our backcourt really does have limitations.

You usually have to give up a piece that hurts to give up in order to get a valuable player. While at the same time, it’s hard to look at our backcourt and not see some problems. Now, I’ll honor your wishes and not enumerate what I see as the problems to avoid turning this into a Monta-vs-Curry debate, but really, to think that there isn’t an issue that needs to be addressed in our backcourt requires a fair amount of self deception.

It’s possible to like both Monta and Curry as players a lot and not to feel like they’re particularly well-suited to playing together. There is more to being a great team than just having the best assembly of individual talent you can muster.

instead of slandering one of them,

Nobody’s getting slandered

there should be no taking sides in this.

Kind of pointless to tell others they can’t have an opinion. Heck didn’t you have an opinion in all of this?

Simply put, I get the feeling is that you are just tired of the back and forth simply because everybody knows everybody’s position on the players already, it’s tiresome to constantly come in here after losses and see people throwing up the “We need to trade Monta!” or after wins seeing people throw up the “Yeah did everyone see how great Monta was!” while others throw up “This isn’t an anti Monta post and although we won we need to get rid of him for the future” type fanpost. Everybody knows each other’s opinion. In essence, all the rest of the conversation at this point isn’t convincing anyone of anything. It’s essentially not persuasive writing anymore and just everyone digging further into their trenches and throwing personal digs. Heck, most everyone stays on the sidelines until one or two jackass starts it and everyone feels the need to defend their position.

So yeah I would agree with you j-spliff, this shit needs to stop only I think it’s perfectly okay for someone to have an opinion on this. I just don’t care to hear it for the 1,000th time.

We need better role players. Outside of Curry and Ellis, pretty much Lee, Wright, and Biedrins, we don’t really have any other guys who contribute in a way that will make much of a difference on a nightly basis. If we can pick up a couple free agents like Kendrick Perkins, Glen Davis, Joel Pryzbilla, Reggie Evans, Carl Landry, or Chuck Hayes to give some hustle and do some dirty work on defense down low, some good perimeter defenders like Marquis Daniels, DeShawn Stevenson, or Jared Jeffries, then Curry and Ellis’ defensive liabilities wouldn’t seem nearly as big of an issue. We need to start collecting some good role players off the bench. People say our bench got depleted by the Lee trade and through free agency, but our bench was only good for offense. We need to get guys who are committed on defense. All of the top tier playoff teams have those gritty guys. We need some of those guys before anything else. We don’t need to focus on getting a 3rd star or whatever. Our first priority should be to get good role players committed to the defensive side of the ball, as well as anotherscoring option off the bench that will contribute every night (ala J-Rich). Hopefully we can find some through free agency, the draft, and maybe a trade involving some of our expirings.

*Outside of Curry and Ellis, pretty much only Lee, Wright, and Biedrins contribute on the regular. We don’t really have any other guys who contribute in a way that will make much of a difference on a nightly basis.

And have Curry and Dorell be core while we tank. They’re only due like 7 million combined a year over next 3 years. That’s hella good.
Curry
Williams
Dorell
Brandan
Udoh

Just go for it.

Both Curry and Ellis are valuable trade pieces, and they are do not complement one another well. It only makes sense to want to trade one of them to get the piece(s) we need. Also, Curry is the superior PG, so it makes more sense to keep him on a few different levels. I’m not in a rush to move Monta, personally. We’re not going to suddenly become contenders by trading him or anything.

Of course, we could gamble and move Curry, pick up Rubio (a bigger PG, who is supposed to be able to play defense) and maybe a 1st round pick or something. I’m not a big gambler, personally, so I don’t see that as a great option.

1. If a fanbase is divided over a particular subject matter, in this case Monta and Steph, it means THERES SOME ISSUES that may need to be resolved.

2. Addressing the problem, once again, in a year and a half of both of them playing together, it still seems they can not play together 100%, something about each of their games, is a contrast and detriment to the other when both are on the court at the same time.

3. They both can’t play defense, PERIOD.