Sources: Warriors interested in Nuggets big man Nene'
According to multiple sources, the Warriors have inquired about Nene, a 6-foot-11, 250-pound center from Brazil. But the Nuggets would have to agree to trade him, and Nene would have to agree to a contract extension because he is a pending free agent.
Let's hop in one of those multiple team trades.
I think sending then Bwright could do it. Your proposed trades; fire away!
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Wonder if it involved Biedrins
Nene, DLee, Biedrins front court rotation would be nice.
Udoh + expiring for Nene would be my guess. I’d do it if we got an extension.
For that? Everyone would. Except the Nugs.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 9, 2011 4:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Really?
Sorta good defender but not going to make you think twice about going inside. Not the best rebounder either
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+1
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
He plays good man D
.147 net difference in eFG% between him and his opponent.
compared to Gasol’s .056 or Biedrins .035
I’d be curious what the extension would be, but preliminary I say yes. 18 points per 36 on HIGH efficiency. If we don’t have to give up Biedrins, how many teams can boast a 3 man big rotation of Nene, Dlee and Biedrins
You know honestly.
That’s a pretty darn good big man rotation. You got defense (nene, biedrins), rebounding (lee, biedrins) and efficient scoring in all of them. Good passers too.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
you guys are all crazy
Let’s consider for a second what it might cost us to get Nene…
They probably want DWright (to fill Melo’s spot), plus some young talent – which (if they are giving us Nene) will almost certainly be Udoh
Yeah, of course we’re interested, but I doubt that this deal goes anywhere
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 9, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Here's a question:
What if they wanted Monta (let’s call him a poor-man’s Melo) and Udoh.
Would you make that deal?
yes!
if they give us Afflalo, too
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I’d ask for Balkman too.
Thing A
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At that point we’d be getting a little greedy there… =P
by WYK on Feb 9, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Ew
He’s awful
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Awful? Really? Do you not think he gives a team good defense + rebounding?
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Just ask Denver fans
He’s dumber then JR Smith combined with Pietrus combined with AR times 2
I went on there one and what I got back from him was that he’s a bench warmer and sucks. So even if his numbers looked nice he wouldn’t be in very much
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Seems like he’s barely played for Denver at all in general. His career +/- doesn’t appear too bad….
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
If he was that useful an asset
And Denver had no desire to play him. He’d have probably been traded for something by now.
Well, he’s also not that necessary, with Smith, Melo and Afflalo. I dunno, your logic makes sense, then I see a guy like Brandan Wright, and think….what if he just got a chance?
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
I live in Colorado
Casual fans don’t know who he is, but real fans LOVE Aflalo. So do I. The Nugs aren’t looking to shed AAA.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 9, 2011 4:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
They hate JR though. They’ve been showcasing JR trying to boost his value for a trade. Melo doesn’t like JR either, and they think if they can get something worthwhile for JR, Melo might stay.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 9, 2011 4:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Why was Denver stupid enough to get rid of him again?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I mean Detroit.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Because they have a logjam at SG, and lots of salary tied up there too. Also, Dumars hasn’t really made very many good decisions.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 10, 2011 4:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah lately they’ve just been running that team into the ground. Gordon and Villanueva were horrible decisions. They need to get rid of Rip. Rid of Prince. It’s time to rebuild, Detroit. That they refuse to just makes them worse off in the long run. I guess they’re getting ready to sell the franchise, though, so I suppose they aren’t concerned about the long run.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
boy
I have to think about it more…but probably not
I like Nene, but am not totally sold on him as our solution to our post issues.
Also, I know it’s not a popular opinion around here, but I am not convinced that Monta is as easily replaced as some folks make it seem.
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 9, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
No!
Udoh looks like he’ll be good and Nene wont put us into the 8th seed and he’s not the best fir for Lee
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
I don't know.
I’m withholding judgement because of his absence of a training camp, but Udoh may be a bad enough rebounder that one simply can’t call him “good.”
Nor has he shown much offensively.
Again, judgement is way premature, but I can’t imagine anybody would be saying, “Oh, we should have drafted that guy,” if he wasn’t getting the rose-colored glasses treatment by virtue of wearing our jersey.
Nor has he shown much offensively.
Really? He’s got a decent jumper and the best post game on the team
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
What decent jumper?
Sure, it looks pretty. But to date, he’s averaging 8 pts/36 (worse than Biedrins, who everybody has been calling an offensive liability all season) on a TS% of .509.
That is just awful. It’s really, really bad. It’s losing basketball.
Brandan Wright’s post game is MUCH better. And sorry, but no, a jumper is not “decent” when that’s your TS%. It just isn’t.
Now, again, this may all change. Udoh deserves some benefit of the doubt because he missed training camp (but he also doesn’t because of his age).
But you’re using exactly the rose-colored glasses I was talking about. His offensive game sucks, so far.
Take tonight for example
BW has 1 post move, a really good one at that but just one. Ekpe has way more post moves and is effective with them. He’s also really patient and won’t rush anything
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It’s really not even comparable. Wright is the only guy on our team with a legitimate NBA level post game.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
You say Epke is "effective with them" but again, I simply don't understand how you get there because of one good game.
Even after last night his TS% is terrible. And even lousy offensive players can have good games (eg, Biedrins has, by many measures, the best single game of the season by a center in the western conference 28pts on .867% shooting, 21 reb).
Now, maybe Udoh will show us that last night wasn’t a fluke. That would be awesome. But right now, it’s one good offensive game, and you looking at one good offensive game and counting it as more than the several bad offensive games is exactly the rose-colored glasses I was talking about.
We all want last night’s offensive performance to be who Udoh really is, but wanting doesn’t make it so. And based on all the evidence we have so far, it’s not. He’s inexperienced enough that all evaluations of him should be made with a grain of salt, which is why I have repeatedly said it’s too early to judge, but evaluating him “with a grain of salt” doesn’t mean “ignore the bad stuff and focus on the good,” anymore than it means “ignore the good stuff and focus on the bad.”
It means that we have no way, yet, of knowing what’s flukish and what isn’t.
Ekpe has way more post moves and is effective with them
That just isn’t true.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 15, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
hes really athletic
he can get out and run, hes a good ball handler and a pretty good on ball defender
Doesn't block shots at all though.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
shot blocking is a very overated stat imo
he puts a lot of body on guys (no homo)
Ok, but his defensive +/- is pretty neutral the last 3 years.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
So why doesn't he make a huge difference then?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
hes not a dominant defender
hes not gonna carry the whole teams defense on his back like dwight howard, but he can guard thebigs effectively
I'd rather take a chance on Dwight's free agency
Then Nene getting a big contract
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Well if his backup is Birdman that isn’t necessarily a bad thing, is it? I view him as a pretty solid defender.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 7:36 AM PST up reply actions
Agree and also disagree. Protecting the rim is a very important thing your team needs. Blocked shots by itself is not always a good indicator of how a guy does at protecting the rim, however. It does work more times than not, though…
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
True
At same time, we have no one who is near as good as him on man defense). The idea of a 3 man big rotation of him, Lee, Andris is motherwatering.
Nene with Andris on the court, defensively is very strong.
Sadly, none of the three is a complete all star big. It’s like we got 3 players who if we morphed into one would give us Parick Ewing or Dwight Howard
Our two heftiest guys probably don't weight more than Nene.
Our team of twigs would marvel at the man sized player Nene is.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Damn I missed the green font button.
/Green Font
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Depends on who we give up though, but to me we'd probably still be short one quality big.
Unless you count Amundson, I’m not.
Nene/Andris
Lee/?
We’d still have Gadz and Amundson probably, but they’re nothing but fill ins. We’re going to need to draft a big or buy one in the offseason. But if the price was Monta + Udoh I’d probably do it for a resigned Nene.
I’d just love to have a stable of bigs instead of combo guards for once.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I think you could do worse than Amundson as your 4th big. Not that our trio would be as good as the Lakers, but they do fine with 3, and that’s 3 legitimate big men we’re talking about….so why not?
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that's a lot of money tied to three guys.
Who knows if we’d spend the requisite amount for another big better than Amundson, but would fit in the $7M range. Perk? But I wouldn’t want to pay him $10M a year.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Oh, I’m pretty sure Nene will command more than $7million/yr.
Beyond that, “Curry to Nene” is a very enticing concept. Such a high efficiency target down low could really help Curry’s ast/trn ration.This, plus a more prominent Lee and Curry to counterbalance all those Monta shots could easily be more effective than what we have now on offense.
That being said, I really hate watching big men that don’t block shots or rebound well. The combination of the two is unpleasant. Also, I feel like trading Monta for such a big player minimizes his trade value. If, however, they could deal him for a 2 or 3, I don’t think they would necessarily have to give up as much value, i.e. Udoh.
Amnesty for all immigrants! Boycott Arizona! RIP GURU
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Feb 9, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I’m pretty sure Nene will command more than $7million/yr.
I’m more than pretty sure.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
We don't need him to have an extension
Just have him agree to pick up his player option
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
And we'd have to send more than Just BW to get him
All expirings maybe
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
He’s going to straight up tell us to extend him or he’s declining the option.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
Why is Nene necessarily a better fit for this team?
He’s a below average rebounder and shot blocker. Extremely efficient scorer but low volume, not like we’d go to him numerous times a game down there? I hear he’s a good on ball defender…ok. That’s nice but what the point of getting him at his age and salary?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 10:29 PM PST reply actions
Ok, and we are a team without much title aspirations.
I say we keep it young and hope for the best.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
But then again, the dude's pretty good.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
On the flip side
If Nene can be attained at a low cost, we really are 1 major move away from being a REAL competitive team.
Now making it, is another story…
He doesn't make a difference on defense with the Nuggets.
He’s been pretty neutral +/- defensively last 3 years.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
hmmm
But he does make offense a whole lot better when he is on the court.
his individual defensive stats are good.
Like I said, do i have him? sure. Let me know the cost though. Expirings? Heck yah! Udoh + expirings? probably yah!
Well he's obviously a great offensive player.
Notice how i said great. Dude’s adjusted +/- is top 20 past 2 years mainly cause he makes their offense so much better.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
He could also help us allure all the other great brazilians
Barbosa, Varejao, bring back Rafael Araujo.
Samba
True low post guy on offense. Also not really a low volume scorer, he’s making a strong case this year that he’s just been underutilized in the past. Gives us improved post D and size.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
Denver would want..
Biedrins. They’ve always been in love with Biedrins.
Plenty of articles on it..
Here’s one:
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/nuggets-interested-in-andris-biedrins-383065.html
They’d probably make us take on Al Harrington or something like that too. I remember him being on the trading block earlier in the season.
Biedrins and us taking back Harrington is kinda what I figured they’d be looking for too. No thanks if thats what they want.
Thing A
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however
I’d be more than happy to take Renaldo Balkman off their hands.
Thing A
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Good defensive player.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 9, 2011 1:00 AM PST up reply actions
and a fantastic rebounder for a combo forward type. He certainly doesn’t shoot very well, but he knows that and only takes shots he knows he can make so his efficiency is pretty good. Good size, doesn’t demand many shots, physical defender, strong rebounder…. yea, we could probably use him.
Thing A
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We do have a need for a backup wing that fits his profile….
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 7:40 AM PST up reply actions
Crazy Idea: Wait for these contracts to come off the books and go after M. Gasol / C. Kamen / D. Jordan with the available cap space.
by ChronicMasticator on Feb 8, 2011 10:32 PM PST reply actions
I hate all those names but Jordan
And LAC will keep him
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Same.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t hate Gasol. I think he’s in the same boat as Jordan, though – restricted free agent we won’t be able to land, so it’s irrelevant.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 7:41 AM PST up reply actions
I also think the overall difference in quality between Gasol and Biedrins is pretty small.
They have different strengths, but both have areas of major weakness.
But what about figuring out a way to have both? That would be a fantastic one two punch at Center, since they’re deficiencies are pretty complementary.
by Lacob's Ladder on Feb 9, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe in 2k?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
How about this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4p3gerf
Warriors trade: Vlad/Gadz/Reg/Lou/Udoh
Nuggets trade: Nene/JR/SWilliams/Forbes
Lineup:
Nene | Andris Biedrins
David Lee | Brandan Wright | Shelden Williams
Dorell Wright | Gary Forbes
Monta Ellis | JR Smith
Stephen Curry | Acie Law | Jeremy Lin
lmao lets go!
PFortyy :)
'11 Champs!
We need NENE because we rely on jumpshots to win games. And there will only be 1 Center in the upcomming draft available by the time we pick and his defense is non-existent. So we need NENE if we can get him for Beans lets do it.
Kanter and Valancuisas (or something like that)
2 centers
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Jonas could be really good.
The dudes not soft, he’s averaging like 3 blocks and 14 boards per 40 in his euro league compared to Donatas, who’s getting like 7 rebounds per 40 (next bargnani!!!) and no blocks.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Omer Asik had 19 blocks in 1 game in the euro league
really, how is that even possible?? but hes trash on the bulls, incredibly soft inside, euro league toughness doesn’t always translate to the nba.
He actually had a ton of his shots blocked in that league.
And his shot gets blocked the most in the nba.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
im just saying
if a guy that soft can have 19 blocks in a game in the euro league the stats will be skewed
I hate looking at euro/international stats and trying to translate
Did you know Darko owned Pau in euro championships (ok it was national team) a couple years ago?
Downside with Jonas is he’s only 18… clearly long term prospect. Enes too, though having seen him dominate nike summit v. american kids his age group is intriguing (34 points, 13 rebounds… record).
That said, upside beats all. We got a new owner, typically Stern likes to rig lottery to give a top 3 pick for those. It’s our turn.
Not a center
Both of the centers stocks are up in the air
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
JR Smith
wants to stay in Denver.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/600995-nuggets-of-information-jr-smith-wants-to-stay-in-denver-long-term
A low chance Denver would trade him.
& how do some of you don’t understand that Nene is a beast..
If Nene plays against the Warriors, that’s your chance to catch him play.
Bleacher Report Link = Party Foul
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 9, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
hahaha
agreed
that was not written by a journalist, or even anyone with any sort of access to the team
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 9, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
hmmm
7-13, 18 points v. lakers
7-14, 19 points v. spurs
Don’t think any of our bigs are capable of that. It’s certainly intriguing.
What about rebounding?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
That's why I was asking if we'd trade Biedrins
If not, I LOVE idea of Nene, Dlee and Biedrins splitting all the big man minutes….
Cost is another issue, I assume Nene will command around 10 mil (guesstimate). That’s 30+ mil tied in bigs…
I suppose it’s better than 30+ mil tied to 3 swings like last year though
But he barely blocks any shots.
I’m not sure he really helps our interior defense.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2011 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
NO NO NENE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0&feature=related
PFortyy :)
'11 Champs!
on the flipside
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdabW1AjmBU
why are there so many warrior highlights on youtube.
He's a better man defender than Biedrins or Lee
Defensively he’s kind of a rich man’s turiaf minus the blocks. Take the plus’s and minus.
He does alter a lot of shots. Opposing centers are shooting lower percentage v. him than Biedrins for ex.
Like I said v. Lakers…. Gasol went 6 for 17
He is physical, it’s useful. Obviously he’s not perfect though.
We just need a beast. Someone with some balls and toughness
Nenecan provide that
I remember back in 06 when Beans lit the Nuggets up
Scored 30+ points… What happened to that :(
PFortyy :)
'11 Champs!
Nene technically only has one
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 8, 2011 11:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
His one is already five more than David Biedrins.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
If you still think Nene doesn't fit for the Warriors..
compare Nene and Biedrins..
compare Nene and Gadzuric, B Wright, Udoh, & Amundson…COMBINED.
imagine the line up like this:
PG – Stephen Curry
SG – Monta Ellis
SF – Dorell Wright
PF – David Lee
C – Nene
So why is he a better fit?
Still waiting on that
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
hes much more aggressive then beans for one
hes not afraid to go inside and get to the line, thats what hes best at
Okay still not sure why he's a better fit with us
Or next to Lee. Just stating the differences between Andris and him. In theory a good Andris is a good fit here
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
For one thing, Nene is a better player right now than Lee or Biedrins.
Forget about the fit for a bit, I’d take the overall better player.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I agree. He’s a great fit for us on offense. It seems to me like people are concerned about his defense and rebounding, which seem valid to me, especially protecting the rim on D. So…..what’s the response to those concerns?
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
So…..what’s the response to those concerns?
If Nene is available to us, which seems unlikely at this point, what other better options are there, specifically ones that address the defensive concerns?
If Nene is the best player that can fill the C position for us, then you have to go for it despite the concerns at defense. But if you can keep Biedrins, then that’s a win-win. Biedrins would be an awesome backup on a good team. Nene could probably make enough of a difference on offense to make the Warriors a good team.
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 9, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
My own view is this: I’m intrigued by Nene, and would definitely take him, but in the end, it comes down to how much he’s going to cost, both in talent and money. For the right price, I’d take him. If it costs too much, I wouldn’t. For something like Udoh or Wright + expirings and signing him to a contract extension (4 years ~$48M?) I’d probably be pretty happy to do it.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Nene would give us a guy to play through for once.
Nene is a true blue collar low post guy, something Beans and Lee will never be. We lose some on defense if Beans goes, but we’d probably see a more efficient offense. Shoot, anything is better than our perimeter offense this year.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
We'd still be short a few bigs though to really compete, unless we make more moves.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I have no doubt we’d be a more efficient offense. I’m worried about defense and rebounding, which are two of our biggest deficiencies….
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
I know, but still if...
the cost was right.
Nene would most likely be the best player changing teams. I’d always take the talent upgrade and see where the chips fall. We already know what we have with Lee/Biedrins and it ain’t pretty.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Well, I think both Lee and Biedrins have the potential to perform better than they have thus far.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
(As you’ll see from my other statements though, we’re more or less in agreement on Nene)
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt we'd lose some on D, AB's D isn't all that, at all
AB is more wiry than Nene. Just that alone makes a difference, with Nene clogging things up inside.
When Nene fouls he fouls. AB? Ticky tack, stupid fouls that get him out of the game and out of rhythm. (Followed, every time, on cue, with AB sheepishly looking up at the replay. Yes Andris, you just did commit another foolish foul.)
We’d all prefer a shotblocker/alterer, but while not quite that, Nene has legit C size and plays good positional D. Shot blocks are overrated. A big guy to alter shots and make teams think twice isn’t.
Nene on O is a very good player. He can drive it, pop from 15 ft, and shoots a very respectable FT for a C.
Nene can run.
Nene’s injury history scares me a bit, but it’s been a few years since the worst of it for him.
I would so love to somehow get him here and signed. If we kept AB as backup, fine, but i wouldn’t, at all, be against using AB in the trade.
by supersugarCrisp on Feb 10, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
A big guy to alter shots and make teams think twice isn’t.
The problem is Nene isn’t this. He’s not really “quite that”, either. I’ve been unimpressed watching his help D the last couple of nights. No, shot blocking isn’t everything (though most of the time guys who block shots are the ones that also do a good job changing a lot of other shots), but Nene doesn’t strike me as the exception that challenges a lot more shots than his shot blocking numbers indicate. I also disagree about the good positional D, at least off the ball. As for the whole being wiry thing, yeah, it hurts on ball post D, but it also allows Biedrins to be more active off the ball.
Also, rebounding.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
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For us we need rebounding, defense, shot blocking and a center that wont take shots from the other 4 starters.
Nene doesn’t bring half those things. He doesn’t even bring the presence in the paint that a guy like Perkins or Chandler would bring
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for us we need...
To change our dynamics! How many fouls does Nene draw, compared to Biedrins? C’mon. We need post scoring! Please take 8 shots from Monta, 1 each from Curry, Lee, and DWright, and all of Biedrins’. I’m happy with Nene getting 15 shots, and getting to the line. And he draws some double teams too. That is helpful for everyone.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 9, 2011 4:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
....and then we wait for Monta to pout.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Well yeah, we need post scoring, and we need a big man defensive anchor/rebounder. Nene fits the bill for the first thing. Not as much for the last two.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
certainly
But Dwight Howard isn’t available. Nene is one of the better all around centers in the league, and certainly better than what we have.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 10, 2011 4:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’d say he’s one of the better offensive C’s in the league. Less sure about the all around.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
I'd prefer him to play PF next to Biedrins.
Than to play center next to Lee.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 10, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Less sure about the all around.
Really? I’d have a hard time coming up with 10 guys with a better all around game at the position. He’s a nice player. Far from perfect, but still better than most.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 10, 2011 11:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Pau, Duncan, Howard, Bogut, Bynum easy. Guys I think can be lumped into a fairly close group after that: Noah, Horford, Marc Gasol, Okafor, Nene, Chandler, Perkins, Jordan, Gortat, and Ibaka. That’s 13 of the 31 guys listed as a C on hoopdata that get 20+ mpg, plus Pau and Ibaka. Brook Lopez should be in that group if he would just stop regressing already. Biedrins could play his way back into that group if he’d started playing more like the good Biedrins of the past. JaVale McGee could get into that group if he ever stops playing like an idiot. Dalembert is in that group any time he cares enough to try. Roy Hibbert could get into it if he gets his efficiency up.
by Missing Barry on Feb 11, 2011 7:21 AM PST up reply actions
I'm still all for my proposed trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5uh332k
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2011/1/29/1963728/how-to-improve-our-roster-join-melo-trade
If we can extend NENE, and sign afflolo….we will be a very legit team.
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Horriable trade
why would you throw monta in. Monta for affalo and eddy curry.. If we are trading monta I want a lot more than that back.
you really think we'd get nene for just andris...keep dreaming.
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Nene is everything Larry Riley asked for
I don’t think you guys realize what kind of special player Nene is. He’s one of the most efficient/BEEFY/versatile centers in the league and brings that Kendrick Perkins type of toughness to the team every night. He man handles Biedrins every game… and can hit his free throws (76%). The thing we need most from our big man is BEEF! Aren’t you tired of seeing Biedrins get posted up? All he can really do is back up and try to change the shot then rebound it which most of the time gets him into early foul trouble. We need NeNe! Look at his stats… http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3605/gamelog;ylt=Ar6S52HmdmK.3urWOzm.qevPKB4
This is the perfect big man for the Dubs.
F the Po Po
The thing we need most from our big man is BEEF!
“Beef” isn’t actually a real basketball skill. Real basketabll skills are things like rebounding the basketball, blocking shots, post defense, post offense, etc. Let’s focus the conversation on real basketball skills.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
And I don’t think anyone out there will agree that Nene is similar to Perkins, by the way. Nene isn’t close to the defensive player Perkins is.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
Nene isn’t close to the defensive player Perkins is.
I think that’s the consensus and no one would argue that. Although I have personally not paid close enough attention.
If Nene is able to get his opposition in foul trouble, would that help his defense since the other team would have to sub in their backup C? That reminds me of when Matt Steinmetz was saying rebounding = defense when we got David Lee. Ha.
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 9, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
well, part of the problem with that is that Lee’s rebounding has been quite a bit worse so far here than it was in NY. And its only his defensive rebounding that’s gotten worse. Lee has always been a bad one on one defender and has never protected the rim well but his ability to end the other team’s possession did do a little to make up for all of that. Now he’s not even doing that especially well. 2 more defensive rebounds per 36 and Lee’s defense would look a little better.
Thing A
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And his awareness isn't up to par at all.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
It's not his beef per say
But he is physical. He draws more fouls than any of our bigs. Actually more than any of our players except Monta, and he does it on much less useage.
While it doesn’t necessarily matter if a player is a power player or a finesse player per say, getting to the line and scoring in the psot are two major offensive weaknesses we have. Adding him addresses both.
He is also a physical defender. Like I said, Turiaf minus the blocks. Again not a complete defender, but he’s much more equipped to ‘d up’ a bigger player who wants to work in the post than Lee or Andris.
So yeah, while ‘beef’ isn’t important, it’s fair to assume his strength and size (beef) is a reason he can play physically and be effective at it, when say DLee probably could not.
I don't really see a logical reason not to inquire about Nene.
Nene is a better player than almost everyone on our team. I also think he is much more needed than Lee is, personally. But we’re stuck with D Lee (He doesn’t deserve a D in his name). It’s a talent upgrade as long as the price isn’t too steep. I’d give them one of Biedrins/Monta + Udoh or Wright. Base discussions with room to negotiate. Maybe we’d have to include a 3rd team to get the picks they might want.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I think being big is a skill in itself
Just being able to hold your ground in the post is a huge skill. You can have all the skill but if you can’t hold your ground in the post as a center, then you’re a hole, kind of like Monta?
F the Po Po
David Lee has beef. He’s a terrible defender.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
David Lee isn't physical
And looks like he has no muscle whatsoever. NeNe would be pretty good alongside Lee. Lee is a much better rebounder than Nene so it would be good to have Nene box out and let Lee rebound the ball.
F the Po Po
Depends on Nene's weakside defense cause Lee's seems non-existent.
I can see more slow rotations and frustrated fans.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
cmon MB
you know exactly what beef elludes to… physical play. Something we lack. All our bigs are finesse players.
Right, I know what “beef” alludes to – actual basketball skills, though which skills specifically are a bit more vague. That’s my issue with the word, why use a vague hotword that may or may not mean something instead of just talking about the specific skills instead? Writing clearly makes for a better conversation. Let’s talk about rebounding, about post defense, post offensem, etc.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Are you an english teacher ;)
Fair point though.
Re: Beef
that’s my issue with the word, why use a vague hotword that may or may not mean something instead of just talking about the specific
It worked for Taco Bell.
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 9, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
david lee has beef?
have u seen his arms? They’re shameful for a big man
Goal: 8 seed!
After watching last night, do you really think Nene is that much bigger than Lee? They looked pretty similarly sized to me.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
Muscle wise
Nene is way stronger
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Right, he does things like play better man defense than David Lee (which his being stronger contributes to), which is the relevant point. Basketball skills are what matter! Beef is just a distraction.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
Look again
While most players are listed anywhere from an inch to two taller than they are, Nene is a legit, full bodied 6-11 while Lee is more like 6-8 1/2. And not as buffed, either naturally or otherwise. (I.e., sometimes players don’t want to buff up too much as it takes away from skills. Lee might be that kind of player. One who’s found if he bulks up too much it takes away from his O skills.)
by supersugarCrisp on Feb 10, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
looking again
draft express has Nene at 6’9" (and a quarter) without shoes
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 10, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
so?
Dwight Howard is listed at 6-9 without shoes.
Howard was also like 18 when that happened. Biedrins was definitely taller than Nene.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
just correcting this:
most players are listed anywhere from an inch to two taller than they are, Nene is a legit, full bodied 6-11
I don’t really care all that much, but thought it was odd that a guy who titles his post “look again” hadn’t actually looked
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 11, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
+1
if we just want “BEEF” we couldve traded for Eddy Curry a long time ago
Thing A
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What's Tractor Traylor doing these days?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I'm going to assume this is a minimum
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=47o5m37
TMNT!
Since we lack assets to trade (I assume no one wants to trade Curry for Nene) it’s probably going to take eating a contract.
honestly, i think this is minimum
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5uh332k
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oof
I wouldnt do that. I’d rather take my chances on a 7 or 8 million dollar big guy in the offseason and keep Biedrins and Monta
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
I know it is probably some crazy 3-team trade, but again
PLEASE POST A SUMMARY OF YOUR TRADE
I will continue to wage my war ; )
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 9, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
it's the same 3 team trade, dont worry!
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I'm not a huge fan of win share
Nene- .213 WS/48 this season
.150 WS/48 career
DLee- .091 WS/48 this season
.150 WS/48 career
Biedrins- .099 WS/48 career
.141 WS/48 career
Nene’s been ridiculously productive this year. His career is more on par with Dlee and Biedrins but if you look at his last three years it averages .193
Now the real question is, adding Nene without losing Andris, a 3 man big rotation of Lee, Andris and Nene how many additional wins does that give us? Similar to the lakers (albiet not as good) how many back up bigs can compete with Nene/Andris? Dlee/Andris Dlee/Nene? A smart coach who knows how to balance the minutes can easily grab wins purely based off that
I agree
I would love to have that front court depth. If we can somehow keep Biedrins, I’d be willing to trade Monta + Vlad + Udoh for Afflalo and NeNe.
Curry
Afflalo
DWright
Lee / Nene /
NeNe / Biedrins / Lee
F the Po Po
no way denver does that trade...zero
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I do think we're in a bad position to make these trades
Trading Melo and Nene implies a full rebuild. They want youth, small contracts, expirings, picks. We aren’t trading curry, we can’t trade our pick. So really….. udoh/BW + wiling to eat al’s contract?
I would only want Harrington back
If Smart promised to never play him
the guy is not a friend to the Dubs organization
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 9, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
we'd have to give up andris and ellis to get afflolo and nene
and probably have to be involved in the trade with NY to take on one of NY’s big expirings (ECurry).
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if he's elite, why would *we* trade him?
the answer is you know, I know, and Denver knows he’s not elite.
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Won't make a difference
Yet another move that might move us from the 11 seed to the 10 seed in the West. I would hold out for more.
Having an efficient post scorer
changes everything for us.
People forget how ridiculous our team would be with A good center.
by Anonymous1337 on Feb 9, 2011 8:47 AM PST via mobile reply actions
We’d still be horrible defensively and get killed on the glass, which are two of our biggest concerns, and two things “a good center” is supposed to address. So yeah, Nene might change some things, but he hardly addresses all of our concerns (the way, say, Dwight Howard would!)….
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
exactly
it’s just really, really glossy lipstick on a fat ol’ warthog
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Big men that fit that description aren’t available. Do the Warriors remain cold and calculated until such an opportunity arises or do they settle for the next best thing (which is what Nene probably is)? Do they even have the skill or ability to be greedy?
Not in the current market, IMO. That’s why they need to find their big man in the draft. Luck probably has a lot to do with that.
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 9, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, like I said, for me it comes down to the cost to get a guy like Nene. If the cost is low enough to make it worth it, go for it. Othewise I think we have to explore our other options. I suspect Nene will cost too much, but if I were Riley, I’d at least find out what it’ll take.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I think we don't really have any good options. Our team has no talent other teams would want.
Barring Curry, maybe Udoh and Monta for the right price. Our options are extremely limited when you add the fact that the market is flooded with expirings, and we can’t even trade 1st round picks until 2016 (IIRC).
To me this is all just a waiting game until Lacob makes the decision to trash the whole thing and build around Curry.
Here’s hoping Stern rigs the draft for us.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
so we get Nene
and then we’re maybe as good as Denver is right now? Whoop dee freaking doo.
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I could have sworn
They made the western conference finals last year with the same roster… Or am I wrong? :)
F the Po Po
by bojangles408 on Feb 9, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
you're wrong
they lost in the first round to Utah
:)
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cont'd
Look at the LEe trade. At the time, a fair amount people were freaking out over loss of Randolph, Buike etc. (as I recall 40% of GSoM didn’t like the deal).
We might have overpaid for Lee, but there’s no denying we got the better end of that trade talent wise.
It made us a better team. Better coaching/rotations + no vampire-bite we are probably right at the 8 seed.
We all want an elite player, but we can’t disregard trades that make us better without mortgaging the future.
I think if you think Curry has a very bright future (all star level), the idea of Nene, Dlee inside is very nice. The way teams would have to defend the post would give us a ridiculous amount of open shots
and we'd still suck defensively
sorry, but the best we could hope for in that scenario is a little bit above 0.500 and getting knocked off in the first, maybe second round of the playoffs every year. Oh, boy!
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how many times have we made the playoffs?
We’re not going to be title contenders overnight. I’ll settle for consistent playoff team first, and then it’s easier to make moves
see below “step by step..”
right
so be like Denver for 8 years and then…?
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are you seriously not my point?
Yes, we wouldn’t make another move for 8 years.
Let me copy paste my post below:
Unless you think we can make a miami or boston type summer swoop (and I personally don’t), we’re going to have to do it step by step,
We get Nene- payoff team
Better coaching/Curry improvement- 2nd round + playoff team
Now we’re a relevant franchise. Our players look better on the block. Maybe we move Monta or Lee in conjuncture to get a better player. Challenging for West.
I don’t see how people don’t like idea of getting Nene, if the cost is fair. And this is a key point (cost)
ah, copy paste fail
Unless you think we can make a miami or boston type summer swoop (and I personally don’t), we’re going to have to do it step by step,
We get Nene- payoff team
Better coaching/Curry improvement- 2nd round + playoff team
Now we’re a relevant franchise. Our players look better on the block. Maybe we move Monta or Lee in conjuncture to get a better player. Challenging for West.
I don’t see how people don’t like idea of getting Nene, if the cost is fair. And this is a key point (cost)
What he may not realize is that outside the Bay, The Dubs are irrelevant.
Sad and sucks but it’s true.
I’m really saddened that we don’t have that winning culture, or pedigree is a word I like better. Seems to me winning is the most important thing in sports. Doesn’t matter how you get the win, as long as you do. Team’s like Boston took two headcases/busts (Rondo and Perkins) and molded them into championship caliber players.
It’s sad because the culture in which Monta and Biedrins grew up in was the complete opposite. No expectations for titles and no consistent winning culture in the locker room. Not saying that A in fact causes B, but that there is probably a correlation in there somewhere.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
BEAUTIFUL post
Could not sum it up any better. You have to crawl before you walk. I am old enough to remember the pre-cuban mavs. They made the warriors look like the lakers.
But Cuban has now molded them into a consistent playoff team, and a franchise which is always among top 4-5 players mention. It took time. Everyone said they couldn’t win a title with Nash then Dirk etc.
I will stand by it, if theres ever an opportunity to get an elite player, we take it. Until then, piece by piece, we need to build. The more good players you have, the easier it is to get a very good one. The more very good ones you have, the easier it is to get a great one.
If the asking price on Nene isn’t steep, I’d jump it. He’s simply on of the top 5 most efficient players of the last 3 years (aka since he came back from his health condition). Would you reject amare cause we lack D?
And I am positive Nene is a better man defender than all our bigs. He may not rebound well, but he is physical and can d up bigger guys. Something none of our team can.
Everyone said they couldn’t win a title with Nash then Dirk etc.
Did I miss their title run?
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You're in for a lot of disappointment
If you think every trade we make is meant to make us a championship caliber team.
by ohcleverhansyou on Feb 10, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah. FML
But they were #2 in rankings is what I meant ;D
F the Po Po
by bojangles408 on Feb 9, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Off by one year. And the Nugs have been a playoff team since Nene’s sophomore season.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 9, 2011 5:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Step by step my friend
Unless you think we can make a miami or boston type summer swoop (and I personally don’t), we’re going to have to do it step by step,
We get Nene- payoff team
Better coaching/Curry improvement- 2nd round + playoff team
Now we’re a relevant franchise. Our players look better on the block. Maybe we move Monta or Lee in conjuncture to get a better player. Challenging for West.
I don’t see how people don’t like idea of getting Nene, if the cost is fair. And this is a key point (cost)
Is there any way?
We can get rid of Bell’s contract a year early?
Package with Reggie to a young team that has a lot of space … I don’t think we’ll get many takers but $11mil would greatly improve our chances of getting a:
Chandler, Oden, DJ (best fits imho next to Lee), Nene, Gasol, etc.
Would it be worth losing Udoh (Udoh and Bell) for $7 mil additional cap space?!
You don’t give up your lottery picks just to create minimal cap space without assurances you’d get the guy you want. Creating cap space doesn’t guarantee anything as far as landing talent in the free agent market. So, the answer is no.
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 9, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
We're not in a position to be sending off assets to get rid of people.
We’ve been doing those trades for 3 years and look at where it’s left us.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
why not get the fakers into the mix?
proposed three team trade:
Dubs get:
1. Nene
2. Artest
3. Shanon Brown
Denver gets:
1. Ellis
2. Bynum
3. Reggie
4. B. Wright
Fakers get:
1. Goose
2. Melo
it works: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4bsy59e
Not sure i’m sold on giving up Ellis for that but hey… worth considering.
Alternately… could swamp out Artest for Odom & is still works: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Personally like that better…
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I don't want Artest!
and I’d want Afflolo!
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i hear u...
not sure i want Artest either. it would do something about our D though.
Odom, Afflolo & Nene… that’s not bad & the numbers work: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4tcpl67
"To be a great champion you must believe you are the best. If you're not, pretend you are." - Muhammad Ali
Artest is a pretty big negative at this point in his career. It’s not even that there are better options than Artest, having nothing is a better option than having Artest….
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
This trade is biggest win for Lakers
Melo + a 3rd big who (while frustrating me to death) 20-25 minutes a game off the bench is still superior to most anyone he’d face.
However if Andris had problems with Nellie, good lord with Phil. He has no sensitivity these days
From DenverStiffs
Decided to post the article on Denver Stiffs and ask Nugget fans. God this reply:
Nene wants to stay
It is going to be interesting.
I have talked to Lacob JR. and he told me everyone thinks the Nuggets are in firesale mode so they are trying to offer little in expect for big returns.
Only problem is Denver doesn’t know if it wants to rebuild yet and if so, is Nene going to be part of the core.
http://www.denverstiffs.com/2011/2/9/1984047/warriors-ask-nuggets-about-nene
Love Skeptic's reply
Was he posing as a Nugget fan? haha
by Lacob's Ladder on Feb 9, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
That’s just some guy using a play on Skeptic’s name. He is obviously not THE Skeptic.
by WYK on Feb 9, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
watching the game now...
With what Nene is doing to our ‘bigs’ early, someone remind me again why we DON’T need him.
by SmittytheCutman on Feb 9, 2011 7:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
He has 1/2 of what we need at center
Scoring and man defense. He’s missing the rebounds and blocks
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
I'd still take him over Andris....don't know what happened to Biedrins but
the shot-blocking has left and he appears much more soft these days.
The shot-blocking appears to be “regressing towards the mean” to me. He’s been doing a solid job of it lately.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 6:52 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sold
Was most impressed with his passing. The 4 assists don’t do justice to his ability to pass out of the back to basket. He had some excellent passes
Seriously ridiculous the guy goes 5-5 for 17 in first half and Denver never goes back to him? He could be over 20 ppg efficiently in the post if he got the ball more.
Nen is fool's gold
like David Lee was and is
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Compared to what? How good do you think each of them are/how much do you think each of them are worth?
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 7:34 AM PST up reply actions
Nene is worth more than Lee
but if we start Lee and Nene with the rest of the team as it is currently constructed, I see us being average at best. Maybe getting to the second round. Most likely fighting for a playoff spot.
In short, not better than Denver is right now.
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Do you think D + rebounding will just be too much of an issue, then? Seems to me that would be a really, really good offensive team.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
I'm personally in love with idea of Nene/Dlee/Biedrins big man rotation
Flawed but it’s got everything we need.
and a bad defensive team
we’d be average at best, maybe a little bit above. Didn’t I say that already?
Defense is exactly 50% of the game. (Actually, I’ve been told it’s a hair more important statistically.) Doesn’t matter how good your offense is, if your defense is way below-average. And it would be.
Denver is 4th in offensive eFG%. 21st in defensive eFG%. Is that what you want us to be like?
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Is that what you want us to be like?
For right now? Sure. It’s a step up from where we are. I’m not necessarily saying that’s all I want us to be. Maybe in the future we trade Monta for a bigger wing that plays better D and rebounds better. Now maybe we’re an average defensive team that dosen’t get killed on the glass while also being excellent offensively. What’s the better alternative?
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
the problem is Nene will be an expensive contract
so, we basically will be mortgaging our next 5 years on Lee/Nene. We won’t be bad enough to get a high draft pick. And we won’t be rich enough to put a max contract at SG or SF.
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but yeah
in theory, I could live with Lee/Nene if we had a guy like Wade at SG or LeBron at SF. If you think that’s a realistic possibility, I guess it makes sense. I just don’t think it is.
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We're already paying big money to Monta/Lee and Beans.
I think we either add more money and bring in a good player like Nene, or we blow this thing up and trade Beans first. Then Monta in the offseason. But the point is, as currently constructed we have a 2-3 year window with those three guys + Curry and Udoh. We add Nene, which would be like using our cap space in the offseason, trade Monta for a defensive wing and to help out with our depth off the bench.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Denver's not going to lose Nene for nothing
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watch what happens with the Wizards
they’re going to get a high lottery pick. Wouldn’t surprise me if they end up with Sullinger or Jones, and headed on the way up.
I’d rather go the route of OKC and build with a plan and good scouts than lumber in mediocrity (at best) for the next half-decade or more.
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I mentioned this before
Dump Monta, Lee, Biedrins. All big contracts…. acquire picks and youth. Tank
But it was unpopular.
You still have to draft well. Durant/Oden were gifts to okc/portland. BRoy/Westbrook…batum/ibaka… that’s great scouting.
Look at Minnesota, they are going this route. Love was basically only good pick. i’m sure they’d love to swap Flynn for Curry. Possibly Johnson for DeMarcus. You can’t miss if you go this path… aka known as majority of the Cohan era.
I think signing Lee really limited our chance of going down that path. It gives us the combination of too much salary and too much talent to properly tank/rebuild. Essentially the way I see it is this: you have to start out really, really bad. Then, you get a really high pick and draft a really good player. Since he’ll be young and just getting started, he won’t make your team that good the first two years, which gives you another really high pick or two. Get another really good player in that time. One or both become superstars. You add a couple more young, solid players. 2-3 years after you were really bad, you start to improve, and now you’re at the point where you can’t really get high enough draft picks to get really good players, but you can still get useful ones. Maybe sign a free agent starter in this time period.
I don’t think our timing is working out all that well for that path. We already drafted Steph, and he’s getting better as our team is too good to get a top draft pick. We signed David Lee, which gives us the double problem of making us better (so worse pick) and adding in a lot of long term salary. We have other guys with salary on the books in Monta and Biedrins. I think at this point, our best bet might be to try to keep getting better and adding pieces, and hope we eventually get a chance to land a superstar.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Wizards "blew it up"
Haywood, Jamison, Butler. All gone.
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arguably more talent than we have right now
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I don’t think it’s more talent than we have. 4 straight years of 41-45 wins in the East? Meh. It made sense for the Wizards to blow it up – those guys were aging, overpaid veterans who weren’t going anywhere. The difference for us is our team is young, we have Steph, and we just signed David Lee to a big, long term contract. I don’t see Lee as movable for at least the next couple years.
Going back to my rebuilding blueprint – think about it this way, a team like the Thunder acquires Durant. Durant’s developing into a superstar, but he needs a sidekick. They drafted him in Westbrook. The thing is, though, that they only had about a ~2 year window to find that guy in the draft before Durant got so good they no longer had high enough draft picks to do it. Our timing isn’t looking so nice. We already got Steph (not Durant, but definitely well on his way to being a good player). We made our David Lee signing. We’re not in a position to get a really high draft pick next year. How are we going to acquire a superstar now? We’ve already missed that window….
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
(And Durant gets more expensive, too, which further limits a teams ability to acquire a superstar)
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
We chose not to go that route. Maybe once they figured...
there were no superstars there for them to take in last summer’s draft. Everyone in the Bay was hoping Cousins or Johnson would drop, but with each passing day that glimmer of hope faded.
Nellie Tank Strategy FTW, Nellie Ego Wins Record FTL.
SO…we take a nice pick in Udoh. Yeah not a very good sidekick if we’re looking for a 1-2 combo with Curry. Last year was definitely the year to just go full on tank. But that last month or so of unexpected wins ABSOLUTELY KILLED US.
Maybe we were a few losses short of going the Oklahoma City, Portland, Minnesota route. But no, now we’re looking like the Indiana Pacers of the West. At least they have an intriguing bigman in Hibbert.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
How are we going to acquire a superstar now? We’ve already missed that window….
Missing the window implies there is one to get. You can look at teams like Dallas who have been able to add consistently good pieces because of there winning culture and traded for all-star players like Jason Kidd.
But yeah at this point the only route we have to get a superstar would be trading Curry to a team looking to rebuild
With a high draft pick, there might have been. Or with a couple years of cap space and some patience, maybe we could have found someone who wanted to star in the Bay. Not saying there definitely was a guy available, just that it was a possibility.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
aka known as majority of the Cohan era.
Cohan’s rebuild was whatever path was the most cost effective. Cohan was too scared to ever rebuild after the early 2000’s.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
You can’t miss if you go this path… aka known as majority of the Cohan era.
Isn’t the lesson of the Cohan era the exact opposite? That being consistently bad is no guarantee of eventually getting good players?
Minnesota has been on a youth movement since they traded KG. Nothing’s happened there yet. Do you see much hope on the horizon? I don’t.
Ha, stupid Timberwolves. They do things like draft Rubio, Flynn, and Lawson all in the same draft. And then they trade away the only good one that will actually play for them and keep the bad one and the one that won’t come overseas. And then they go and draft Wes Johnson…
Other than Kevin Love, that organization is a mess!
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Sort of yes and no
How many lottery picks did we miff?
Better Q? How many did we get right
How can we realistically do that at this point? I don’t see how we can unload Lee. I assume Steph’s a keeper, right? I think our problem is we’re not at the optimal starting point for that. We’re too good, and too young, to tear everything down, and if we don’t tear everything down (including unloading Steph), the odds aren’t good of us landing a guy like Durant (requires both a high pick, us not blowing it, and a year where there’s actually enough talent for our high pick to turn into an impact player). I think we could unload Monta easily enough. I’m not sure we can dump Biedrins without taking salary back. Then we have to not commit to any long term contracts, which means nobody like Dorell….
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Let's hope Denver still like AB for some unknown reason.
I swear if he goes to Denver and gets a bunch of tattoos, copious amounts of hair gel, and gains productivity, Kenntoe’s gonna go bang his head on something sharp, dull and hopefully rusty.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Exactly why do you think that?
I don’t think Nene is a franchise big. Didn’t think Lee was either. Nene can help us though and he’s better than Lee and biedrins
What's the better fit for us?
Nene + Lee or Nene + Beans?
Nene’s defense can offset Lee’s non-existent D while Lee can offset Nene’s rebounding (Nene’s rebounding is not bad btw).
On the other hand, Beans has better D and a more refined post-game than Lee. He can’t hit FT’s or jumpers though.
I might like a Nene/Beans combo better, considering Lee’s horrendous D and post-game as well as his terrible contract.
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Monta Ellis
Oh I’d definitely go with Nene/Biedrins, if for no other reason than their contracts. The defense and rebounding combo of Nene/Biedrins is also more attractive to me.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I don't really think Nene/Lee would defensively anchor anyone.
I think it’d be quite poor actually in help defense as neither guy is the quickest to recognize and react.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Nene would actually be a big upgrade for us defensively
he would grab less rebounds than Biedrins, but he would create more rebound opportunities for the rest of the team. Also Nene is an offensive monster. I think Nene might be one of the top five centers in the league at the moment, he is very underrated. Check out these articles.
Nene’s wingspan is equal to Yao Ming’s(http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=34642)
“Nene’s synergy stats for defense from 2008-2009 saying he is the 9th best post up defender in the league(http://sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/viewtopic.php?t=2559)
When Nene first came into the league I thought he had potential to become the defensive player of the year due to his size, strength and athleticism. I think I may have been a little off, but he is a very capable defender and does a good job in the "measureable" defensive stats of steals and blocks. He is powerful and holds his position well. He is not as good as he was early in his career at jumping the ball handler on the pick and roll. I remember his rookie year he surprised many a point guard with his quickness resulting in some embarrassing pick pockets for the little guys and while that has become a thing of the past he is still solid at closing off penetration off of screens and it seems like teams avoid running pick and rolls with Nene’s man."(http://www.roundballminingcompany.com/denver-nuggets-scouting-report/)
Basically Nene is a good defender, this is what most scouting reports say. I personally believe that he is a more productive player overall than Carmelo Anthony and getting Nene would help the Warriors more than getting Anthony, Nene could sign a deal with the Warriors. There are players out there with Max contracts that are a lot less valuable than Nene, so whatever we have to pay for him we should.
Also I have no idea what many of the posters on this board expect the Warriors to do, we can’t just depend on the draft to get a superstar, we are not going to land Dwight Howard or Chris Paul, we have a lot of good core talent we need to build with what have. We might need to trade Biedrins or Monta, but for equal or better talent in return. Then we need to turn any extra money we have into getting a solid bench. There you have it! We are in the hunt for a top 4 seed, that is where we need to be it gives us a chance. We are always going to be underdogs against teams like L.A. and Miami who are lucky enough to have talent fall into their laps. We have to be smart the days of waiting for the draft to provide us a superstar is over, the team really crossed the boundary into “win mode” when we got Lee, we just need to get a little better. Nene and some bench depth could do that for us.
He actually does a poor job of blocking shots. And that, along with the rebounding (the whole "creating more rebounding opportunities for the rest of the team doesn’t seem to stand up to evidence, by the way), are the two biggest concerns with him.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Nene planning to retire by 2016
Maybe he has changed his mind since then, but he seems pretty serious about retiring early:
Nene, entering the fourth year of a six-year, $60 million contract, said he doesn’t want to be a player who chases money. He plans to retire at a relatively young age to devote his life to God is the Answer, his Christian church in Brazil.
“Every year gets harder,‘’ said Nene, who vows to play at least five more NBA seasons, but offered no guarantee of even a sixth. "By seven, I’ll stop. I won’t go for more than seven because I have other goals. I have like a deal for my pastor. I want to get involved with the church right here in Brazil.
“If my financial situation is stable, why am I going to (want to) have more money? I’m not crazy for money. I think the best I can do is with the church … I can help with things with my testimony.’’
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/10/04/brazils-nene-vows-to-retire-by-2016-olympics-to-focus-on-religi/
Nene won't come here-Too far from Miami
If you trade Andris, you’re giving up too many rebounds. But he would be a good tandem with AB if we could afford it. Definitely a good trade for Udoh and expirings, don’t I wish!
by War Years Legacy on Feb 10, 2011 9:29 PM PST reply actions
couldn't resist an invitation to play with the trade machine
A highly unlikely three way extravaganza:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4zaozrj
NY gets: Melo
Den gets: Ellis, Biedrins, Chandler, Amundson, Randolph and Udoh
GSW gets: Fields, Nene, Gallinari, Eddy Curry
Yeah probably not enough for Denver. BUT consider this similar non-Nene trade:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=482eyfc
NY gets: Anthony
Den gets: Ellis, Chandler, Randolph, and Amundson
GSW gets: Fields, Curry, Gallinari
I think Denver might do this if they are feeling pressure to trade Anthony. NY should. And if we are serious about moving forward, Riley should agree too.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
I'd really love to get Fields, but i'd probably ship Gallo off later in a package for a better player.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
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