Recap #67: Golden State Warriors 119, Sacramento Kings 129 - Terrible. Just terrible.

yeah, facing that frontline…the whole question of whether to play Lee and Udoh at the 4 or 5 is pretty much a moot point.

And I can’t remember the last time I saw Monta so consistantly owned on defense

This games sucked for us, but I thought it was awfully nice to send the Kings out with a win…gonna miss them when they move to LA

I got too carried away by his desperate-for-cash play. I rescind my statement and apologize.

yeah, wtf?!

TCG was supposed to be a 3/4…guess Smart is a big beleiver in the idea that “a wing is a wing”

my faith in this organization is pretty shattered right now. If we drop Reggie next season in favor of TCG, it would be pretty hard for me to accept

I hope 2012 comes one year early, so I won’t have to watch a coaching mess every game. No offense to Keith as a person. He’s probably a terrific guy.

It’s possible now. He did limit Cousins to 9 rebounds and 15 points.

Whose TCG?

Ours.

BWright and Gadzuric then = garbage

(or the Dubs are not a smart organization)

…or of course, both could be true

did you actually see the game? He was riding the bench for most of it.

if it works in trade machine…

How it works is you live some life, you gain insight, wisdom. You know, if you’re a hoops GM, to watch for all signs, honest signs that your players are slipping.

If you notice one of your players, say AB, is slipping in both his play and largely his confidence and seemingly interest in the sport/game/business itself…..you make a mental note of it.

GMs who are winners, who are honest and not wrapped up in “up with people” type of thinking, i.e. overly optimistic types, see these trends and slowly (therefore not tipping off other GMs) start making subtle feelers (in some way, maybe not even directly bringing up a name) to trade these types of players.

So, the signs with AB started before last summer actually. AB’s FT issues, his comments about not even trying a new thing due to machismo/self consciousness issues, his comments in Latvia (yes, even if they were not translated quite right, they still pointed to some realities about AB that were starting to surface) and the whole package yelled “this player is regressing, and it could be steep” (due to AB losing interest, the worst kind of regression.)

So, i “knew” in the sense that i was already in “we need to move AB while his value is still up” mode. And i said it here, early. As i’ve said with Monta for a few years, but picked up again with earnest this year precisely because his value will NEVER be higher.

Look. Nobody knows for sure, but it’s about sensing things, being ahead of the curve. And in that, being overly nice just leads to losing. You’re going to always see it last, miss the value being that way, and that’s the way the W’s have operated since nice guy loser Cohan took over right at a time a perceived headcase (Webber) ruined the W’s. The team went too nice right then and haven’t ever stopped.

If new ownership wants to win, they need to get a pro GM who can “be nice,” but who is relentlessly shrewd and not nearly as trusting and hopeful as a guy like Riley. It’s about being HONEST with your own intuitions and not letting the human side get in the way (hello Mullin and his foolish signings, all based on blind faith in guys who weren’t very good.)

 you didn’t have to know he would be a head case to know he has very limited basketball skills, just watch him shoot or do other basketbally things like dribble or handle the ball. So it was pretty easy to see his upside was maxed out and his downside unlimited.
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Some fans get on some fans for talking ball. They call it “hating.”

This post was to explain to THEM that there is a reason we “hate.”

And it then goes on to discuss why the W’s frontoffice constantly misses things.

It of course is only my opinion, and of course i know some other fans saw it that way too.

But many, most…hold onto their favorites to the point they’re not objective anymore in judging them.

Sure, i could have worded it differently, tried to use words that didn’t come back to me “knowing” anything.

Your point is taken, but i mean, i said “some of us have known” because at the times some of us were saying these things most fellow fans were calling us haters and telling us to “just enjoy the Ws.” Well, we’d like to but we just cannot help seeing these things.

You’re basically blaming me for having the kind of mind and personality that has strong opinions. I can understand that as i’ve lived and i know that many people are too busy for that with a thing such as hoops. And i know that many people don’t have critically thinking minds, so are more apt to go with the flow and accept what comes their way without much criticism or thought at all.

I cannot be like that. I love hoops and dearly want my team to stop being losers.

Admittedly my ramblings here probably don’t do much for that. But, if anyone in W’s central ever reads these, or the messages somehow subtly get through to them and get them thinking right, good.

And at the very least it is an outlet for the frustration/anger most of us feel regarding one of THE worst run franchises (as far as winning) in any league. (Matter of fact, the W’s popularity should help them, yet it doesn’t. They are in a big market for just one team and they STILL habitually suck.)

But yes, i’ll work on making my opinions and points less about “me” and more about the content of what i’m seeing.

By the way, i think all of us have to “enjoy” rooting for an underdog or else we’d never have stuck it out with the W’s this long.

…And i waited for a loss?

Didn’t have to wait long, did i?

I often wait until a (meaningless) win in these cases, but this time i was away for the weekend, just caught up on my State O Mind, and read these overly glowing comments that to me reflect exactly the kind of thinking that kills this team.

And of course all of what i’m saying points to individual wins and losses not being the point…at this point.

Looked like Sactown was falling apart, and we gained some momentum and were within 7 then Acie goes and bricks a three, while Vlad and Thornton are sinking every shot. THEN Keith decides to use the rest of his timeouts.

I know we had a slim chance prior to acie’s “wtf were you thinking moment,” but the fact that keith smart tries to “coach” once its really over, rather than when we had a chance, and leave steph and dorell on the bench for acie and reggie (reggie had a bad game, and Marcus Thornton was back in b/c westphal was seriously thinking his team could blow this)… Not only can he not win a game properly, he can’t even lose the right way.

 . . . he the entire team didn’t look very good.

He seemed like he was working hard on defense, had some steals/deflections, and some rebounds.

Other than that, I suppose you’re right. Curry seemed to be hot for a minute, but Smart seems interested in making our best player hate our beloved team.

I’ve always thought Monta as 6th man who gets 30 minutes per or so would be perfect. It’s what he does, score. It allows the way he scores, Monta-centrism, to actually work FOR you, or at least not so against since 2nd units often need a scorer to be centered around as they are backups for a reason.

To have 1) the player himself (monta) not understand he’s not all that, 2) the head coach, and 3) most of the fans and media also not see this…..is a dangerous mix. But as long as new ownership gets it, we’ll be alright.

At this point i don’t know whether to be hopeful that management gets it with Monta or not. I’d like to believe they are playing the game of “saying the right things but secretly planning on moving him.” I mean, Monta’s value will never be higher.

Next offseason (and into next season until next deadline, maybe) will be the proving ground as far as new ownership showing us they get these things. I don’t think it’s time to make that judgment yet as they came into ownership already into the start of the season. But this time next year….

I actually like him a lot and he was probably my favorite Dubber last year (when I had season tickets which I quickly gave up after finding out how miserable it is to go to 30+ Warriors game in a season).

I just don’t think he should be any sort of focus for our team. If we can keep him for cheap, I’m all for it. But his lack of defense and his inability to pass well makes me cautious to give him lots of minutes.

And I couldn’t agree more with your Monta evaluation. I think he would be one of the deadliest 6th men in the league (perhaps in a Crawford mold). But paying him what we do to be a 6th man doesn’t make a lot of sense.

I have a sad, sick feeling in my gut that we’re stuck with Monta and Beans until their contracts are up. By that time, Steph will hate the Warriors so much he’ll demand to get out and we’ll have to watch him become an all-star with the Lakers (gag).

To say for us to be good he can’t be our SG too me seems short sighted. We can with him, we can with all our starters for the exception of Andris who is nothing like what he used to be.

And JR Smith probably isn’t the defensive SG you’d want….

Either way we have him and will likely have him for the near future as well, Lacob has made it clear he likes Monta and will only deal him for something substantial

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