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Recap #61: Golden State Warriors 103, Boston Celtics 107 - Still too small; Pendulum swings back from Stephen Curry to Monta Ellis

Lather, rinse (off Curry), repeat.

 


 

I'll slice and dice this one in different ways, but here's the quick-and-dirty version, by quarter:

  1. David Lee 14 pts. Von Wafer? Alright, whatever. Warriors down by 5.
  2. Ray Allen 12 pts in quarter. Rajon Rondo 9 assists. Celtics up 11. Yawn.
  3. Monta Ellis 16 pts. Celtics mess around and... well, they mess around. Warriors down 7.
  4. What the hell, this is a close game? Wait, can the Warriors grab a loose ball? No. Game over.

Hit the jump for some better (?) analysis...

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OBJECTIVE THIRD-PERSON VIEW

Luckily, our buddy Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress happened to be in Boston and was tweeting nice 3rd-person objective stuff. Here is how the rest of the intelligent basketball world views the Warriors...

Warriors take a 20 second timeout 26 seconds into game. Score tied 0-0. That's...interesting. Any idea why?

The apathy Monta Ellis is showing on defense is truly impressive. If he tried a little less hard he might fall asleep. #allstar

My plan for tonight is to figure out what the hell happened to Andris Biedrins' once promising career. The guy fell off a cliff. GSW fans?

Its amazing to watch in person. He's not even pretending RT @WarriorsRndTbl: That is a constant w/Monta. Never puts effort on defensive end.

Level of intensity overall defensively is somewhere between a preseason and summer league game so far. Some pretty baskets at least.

And then Monta Ellis makes a move like THAT on offense (so smooth, easy) and it all makes sense. The guy is an incredible scorer.

The Warriors are playing Vlad Radmanovic at the 3. If he can "guard" the 3 in the NBA, that changes a lot of things in my college scouting.

On the plus side, I'm getting some solid scouting in for the teams I scout for internationally tonight. Half dozen prospects on display?

Jeff Green was looking very tentative to start game. So what do teammates do? Get him a bunch of easy dunks. That's how you get a guy going.

Celtics have 17 assists on 23 made baskets this half. They're having a ball out here playing 5 on 0. Really fun to watch this ball-movement.

RT @johnschuhmann: Already tonight, Ray Allen has had two of the prettiest mid-range bank shots I've seen all season.

Warriors are trying the "leave him open" strategy mostly. RT @LarryCoon: Ray Allen is 7 for 7. Leave him open, cover him -- doesn't matter.

Halftime: Boston 64 GS 53. Ray Allen has 20 on 7/8 shooting. Rondo 9 assists. Green 13 pts in 12 min. David Lee 16 pts, Monta 13.

Really disappointing to see what Stephen Curry is evolving into. No playmaking, shoots ball every time he touches it, zero effort on defense

In his defense, this Warriors team might be most poorly coached team in NBA based on what we're seeing here. No accountability whatsoever.

Slowly coming to the conclusion that If Vladimir Radmanovic can get NBA rotation minutes, pretty much anyone can play in the NBA. Incredible

End of 3rd quarter, and somehow Boston is only up by 7 points. Ellis, Lee brought Warriors back. Celts just toying with them?

Any #ssac people who wanna grab a beer at Westin, I'm heading there with peeps after Celtics game.

Huge drop in intensity for Rondo in 2nd half. Just stopped trying on defense, tried to be way too fancy on offense. Celtics couldn't score.

Celtics coasted the entire 2nd half. Probably thought they can just win it with defense at the end. Let's see if that's what happens.

RT @johnhollinger: Ellis has 28 in 2nd half, 41 for game. Raining 3s like he's Ray Allen.

Warriors give up a key offensive rebound to Ray Allen down 2 w/12 seconds to go. Allen makes both. Looks like Celtcs will win this one.

Celtics 107 - Warriors 103. Allen/Pierce both had 27 points. Monta Ellis was ridiculous w/41, most in 2nd half.

PLAYER-BY-PLAYER ANALYSIS

Steph: Horrible. Just kept leaving Ray Allen open. Ray Allen! Then had those flashes of mental ineptness throwing the ball away on a duck in transition or bounce-passing to a Celtic. Pretty much left his brain at the hotel. Smart subbed Acie Law for him on more than one occasion. Then later on, Steph finally hit some shots. But it was just far from a complete game. Way too many holes in this performance.

Monta: Super-athletic game. Trey was on. I'm not sure I agree with Givony that Monta doesn't care about D. I just think it's lack of defensive basketball IQ. Nothing really you can do about it unless you get some better players, a more competitive environment, and a coaching staff with the right philosophy.

Dorell Wright: Great early outing. Just superb again, driving and hitting shots. My favorite was the jab-step, two dribbles left, and pull up on Paul Pierce. That's an elite move. Too bad he disappeared late. If I were the Warriors, I'd hire a personal trainer to watch his game and point out things that will get him to the next level. One major thing is how to deal with those moments of disappearing. It may not be his fault, but it needs to be analyzed.

Lee: Pretty solid outing, but again he's trying to do too much. Let's face it, on the Lakers or Spurs or other elite team, he's a key contributor.

Ekpe Udoh: Kind of non-existent.

Al Thornton: On Twitter it was reported that Keith Smart spoke excitedly about Thornton pre-game. Well, it should come as no surprise that Thornton was under-used. When he came into the game, it was clear on defense that he would not be manhandled, holding his own off-ball in the paint. On offense, he made a couple of deferring passes in the interior that didn't really get anywhere, so basically he didn't do much. Worse, Smart stuck with Vlad Rad on Pierce, a complete and utter mismatch which Pierce easily exploited on multiple times.

Vlad Rad: Absolutely horrific. He was slow to the ball, he was slow on the rotation. He got beat off the dribble (Pierce). He got a T at the worst time. Now, Vlad has his moments, but when he doesn't go into microwave mode, Smart's got to recognize that he belongs at the end of the bench. It's a crapshoot everytime. Stop throwing the die so much.

Acie Law: Not very effective overall, but nothing terribly glaring. Had a nice replay-worthy step-over layup. He's just kind of too slow. I mean, he literally could be slower than Derek Fisher, who has the same body type.

Beans: Meh.

Reggie Williams: Very limited minutes. Too skinny trying to defend Pierce. Makes you appreciate Pierce.

Jeff Adrien: DNP.

Big Three: Pretty much par for the course. Rondo was toying around too much around the late 3rd or early 4th, getting deep into the paint, stopping his dribble, and not being able to find a cutter and basically killing the play. Kevin Garnett was solid. Pierce was Pierce and Ray-Ray went off in the 2nd, hitting about seven straight shots. Of course, the Warriors kept leaving him open for some strange reason.

Troy Murphy: Missed the few treys he is being paid to nail when he comes in.

Von Wafer: A little mini-microwave early on. Non-factor afterwards.

Nenad Krstic: Not bad. He plays hard. And he's no slower than any of the Warriors' frontcourt players.

Jeff Green: 21 points for solid play, but the Warriors is the type of fast-paced all-athleticism-no-IQ team that Green can have a great game against. I don't see that happening against, say, the Spurs or Bulls.

STILL TOO SMALL

The following play from the 2nd quarter epitomized the Celtics' advantage over the Warriors: Pierce (or was it Ray-Ray? -- doesn't matter) crosses through the baseline and comes all the way around a KG pick. Wright can't get around the screen fast enough and Vlad Rad (or was it D.Lee? -- doesn't matter) gets caught in the switch, and Pierce gets the pass from Rondo up top and drives easily to the basket, draws contact, and goes to the line.

Worse, Warriors announcer Bob Fitzgerald praises Pierce for the drive when it was just plain bad defense.

What we see here is a combination of the youthful Warriors and the veteran Big Three. He knows how to set a good pick. At the same time, Pierce knows how to come around the pick. At the same time, Wright doesn't know how to get around the pick or anticipate where this play is heading. And finally, Vlad Rad is unable to anticipate the play as well, unable to hedge off KG and give enough room for Wright to do something about this play.

And finally, the last play of the game is a microcosm of the Warriors perennial problems. Down two with 37 seconds to play, the Warriors need a stop. The Warriors do a decent enough job to force a low-option Garnett jumper from the top with the shotclock winding down. Only it backrims and it's a long rebound. Guess who watches and doesn't block out? Monta. Ray-Ray chases the ball down at the free throw line and Monta is forced to catch up and foul him. Game over.

The two plays above are my thesis. The Warriors are too small. It's okay at any other level to have such elite offensive firepower in the backcourt as Steph and Monta, but not in the NBA. In the NBA, first of all, you need athletes that can get around picks. Those are big, mobile bodies in the NBA setting those picks. As much as you need a Steve Nash running the pick-and-roll, you also need to look at the defensive end of things sometimes.

Secondly, you need girth to box out. You need guys who want contact. Who aren't afraid to take a hit if there's a charging Ray Allen from the opposite side of the court and the ball is up for grabs -- he who catches it wins the game.

So when someone compares the Steph-Monta potential to Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars, I cringe. I had the pleasure to watch a replay of the '92 All-Star Game on NBA TV the week before this season's All-Star Weekend. You should've seen Isiah D up Magic Johnson. It was in-your-face, physical, slide-the-feet. As for Dumars, just imagine him guarding Ray Allen. Ray-Ray might still get open and put up a shot on Dumars, but only after Dumars has checked him a couple times, given him a few slaps to make him think about it. Dumars was a pretty solid rock, mind you.

And finally, I can't really be disappointed when Lou Amundson doesn't dive for a ball. He's just not athletic enough. Or when Reggie Williams doesn't aggressively go for the tie up and at least a jump ball, but sort of waits there like a shortstop for the ball to trickle out. There isn't an environment around them on this team that would make their brains go, "Oooh, that's my ball. Gimme that!"

STEPH/MONTA PENDULUM SWINGS BACK TO MONTA

Steph did not play well and Monta scored 41. So this time, the pendulum swings back in Monta's direction. I'm not saying I know the answer, but I know that I've seen this before. And back and forth we go...

Poll
Just curious after this game: NOW, what do you think?
Keep Monta, dump Steph.
105 votes
Keep Steph, dump Monta.
226 votes
Keep both Monta and Steph.
426 votes
Dump both. Blow it up.
63 votes

820 votes | Poll has closed

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by J2daZ on Mar 4, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

ouch
this Warriors team might be most poorly coached team in NBA based on what we’re seeing here. No accountability whatsoever

Over

by cybermaldonado on Mar 4, 2011 11:21 PM PST reply actions  

this

we don’t really need a 3rd party observer for that one

by AJC3317 on Mar 5, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

i would just like to see an extended time for the following squad while games still count (for other teams)

1. Lin
2. Reggie
3. the new guy, whats his face…
4. Udoh
5. Adrien

i THINK we already know what rad law bell beans lee wright will give you… (i think we know what reggie can give too but who else?)

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Mar 4, 2011 11:29 PM PST reply actions  

i would just like to see an extended time for the following squad

1. Lin
2. Reggie
3. the new guy, whats his face…
4. Udoh
5. Adrien

What would be the purpose of this? We’ve already won too many games to get the best draft spot. Why punish our eye balls for nothing?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 5, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

OH!

I know what this is now. Smart was made head coach as a good luck charm to land the number 1 draft pick. That is the only explanation anyone would ever pay off Nellie to have Smart head coach for a year, right? Smart move, smart move…

by jonathannn on Mar 5, 2011 1:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Uh, wasn't Monta guarding Ray Allen?

Rewind the tape buddy. Ray Allen started out 7-7 with Monta guarding him, not Steph. In regards to Smart’s coaching though, it is just sickening to watch. How does Lacob let him remain the coach when he has proven time and again how inept he is?

by randolphforpresident on Mar 5, 2011 12:29 AM PST reply actions  

I could’ve made that mistake. Also, I actually missed the first quarter so that may or may not have contributed to any confusion on my part.

More significantly, I decided not to take notes during the game and try to just remember stuff. Not sure that went well, either.

But really, what I remember was hearing Fitz say that Steph has been out and he kept leaving Ray Allen open. Could’ve sworn I heard that in the 2nd quarter, which was when Ray went on fire.

So yeah, it sounds like I’m blaming Fitz but I swear, that’s what I remember and was mostly the basis of that. Guess I just assumed that was the same matchup in the 1st quarter.

Terrible journalism, I know. That’s why I’m not a journalist (sue me!).

But I also do remember at some point in the 2nd or 3rd quarter and made a mental note of how Monta was guarding Rondo and Steph on Ray-Ray. Agreed this was probably after the 7/7 start, but Ray still ended up with 27.

I remember seeing that matchup — maybe it was only for a possession or two, who knows — but then I said to myself, “OK, Smart, that does make sense since Rondo is technically quicker than Ray, so yeah alright I don’t mind seeing Monta on Rondo and the slower Steph on Ray.”

Then later in the game, for sure I recall Steph trying to help weakside block on KG for some reason, with one foot in the weakside paint (as if 6’3" would make a difference on show help vs 6’11") and leaving Ray far weakside three-point area. Ray ended up missing, but I just couldn’t believe he could leave Ray, if his brain was actually considering the options at the time.

by Poor Man's Commish on Mar 5, 2011 12:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I recall Monta on Ray in the 1st Qtr at least, when Ray went 7/7.

But then Rondo had something like 9 assists to 1 Tos in that same period. Then again, when you leave Ray wide open like that you’re just asking for Rondo to stack up the dimes.

Also it was Monta on Allen when we needed that rebound at the very end.

Overall though, the entire team still looks clueless on defensive rotations, all it takes is for a team to be patient and pass the ball around a little to screw us over.

"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story

he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam

by Badly Browned on Mar 5, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

That game felt more like a win to me, the way they fought to get back in it. Good stuff. Lots of fun, despite us losing and playing such horrendous defense on Allen. What the heck.

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

by Naticus on Mar 5, 2011 3:19 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Meant to post this guy as a reply: Good assessment, gotta be #1

It remains to be seen whether or not Monta and Steph can both play at their most effective offensively in a consistent way. It’s very curious that there are very few nights where they both are having good games—mostly because they both need to the ball in their hands most of the possession in order to be effective on offense. Everyone talks about the glaring defensive liability having both of them is, but no one points to the fact that they are completely unable to complement each other offensively.

by tcc on Mar 5, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I wasn’t able to watch the game last night, so I missed Monta’s stellar performance and Steph’s stinker.

The reason Binky stinky was they we’re using him right. He shoulda been raining threes after making the old celts run around the floor for 20 seconds chasin passes, and if they start coming out to him then go back door. They are old and slow and with their injuries not very big either.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 5, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

the main question may be: What can you get?

I think the odds of getting a player for Steph and an expiring deal are probably better than getting something for Monta, and that might determine who they keep.

by SoulHonky on Mar 5, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Keith Smart is such a bust..

He’s not living up to the expectations of his last name ever since his parents drafted him

"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton

by Nelow on Mar 5, 2011 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

David Lee deserves SO much more credit than you gave him

His hustle and determination from the start set the tone for the Warriors. Were it not for his play, it would’ve been a blowout after the first quarter. But then again, you said you didn’t watch the first quarter, so I can’t hold it against you. If you have it recorded, you should watch, because this was arguably David Lee’s best game as a Warrior. If he plays like this night in and night out, he will earn every penny we’re paying him.

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by steffun4tw on Mar 5, 2011 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

I have to agree. Lee was really fighting hard in the paint.

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

by Naticus on Mar 5, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

First half analysis, focus on Ray Allen's shots

1st qtr

Stephen Curry guards Ray Allen
Monta guards Ray Allen
11:23 – Udoh fouls Ray Allen on the fast break, 2 FTs
8:12 – Monta giving space to Ray Allen, Rondo passed to Ray Allen, Ray Allen quick release before Monta could get to it.
7:13 – Out of bounds, Ray Allen layup scores on Monta.
5:49 – KG, with the ball, makes a move to the middle of the paint, Monta watching KG, did not see Ray Allen running away from Monta to get open for the 3.

10 pts total

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2nd qtr

Monta guards Ray Allen
8:02 – Ray Allen ran Monta into a screen, receives pass from Troy Murphy, banks 2 pt off glass.
Monta out, Acie in, guards Ray Allen.
7:04 – Ray Allen runs through the paint to the corner. Acie, chasing Allen, is slowed by a PP screen, then slowed again by a KG screen. Rondo kicks to the corner to Allen, 3 pt make.
5:25 – Rondo steals the ball, In transition, Ray Allen runs to the corner, PP to the same side wing. Warriors were running to guard the paint, or perhaps to rebound any missed fast break layup. Rondo stops, looks towards the perimeter for somebody. Radman recognizes Rondo is looking towards the perimeter, takes a step towards PP. Rondo see RA in the corner, kicks to him, wide open 3.
Monta back in, guards Ray Allen
2:56 – Outside the paint, between the paint and the 3pt line, Ray Allen in triple threat mode with Monta guarding him. Allen takes quick shot, banked in a 2 off glass.
1:20 – Monta guarding Allen. DWright guarding PP. They force a switch around the perimeter, so DWright guarding Allen, Monta guarding PP. PP runs Monta into a KG screen (looks like a pick and roll play), so PP is ahead of Monta. DWright keeps his eyes on PP, ready to help defend KG on the pick and roll, Ray Allen runs away from DWright. PP kicks it to Allen at the perimeter, but DWright reacts fast enough to the pass and runs towards Allen. Instead of taking the 3, Allen runs past DWright and takes a midrange leaner 2. Miss! Ray Allen was still somewhat open on this shot attempt, though.

10 pts total

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Some conclusions from the 1st half:
- Stephen Curry only guarded Ray Allen for the first couple of possessions. Monta and Acie guarded Allen. Reggie guarded Allen once or twice.
- Ray Allen has a QUICK release. All he needs is a little space and it’s all over.
- That also means that all he needs is a screen to slow down his defender, and it’s all over.
- He knows how to run away from his defender as soon as they are not paying attention to him. It helps that his teammates are good players who draw a lot of attention from the defense.

by IQofaWarrior on Mar 5, 2011 11:07 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

The problem IMO is Lee/Biedrins more than Monta/Curry

I think Steph and Monta could work (although I’m not sure you’ll maximize Curry’s talents) but you need to build around them and that means a better defensive frontcourt and, to open the lane for Monta, more of a floor spacing big man.

by SoulHonky on Mar 5, 2011 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

Second half analysis, focus on Ray Allen's shots

3rd qtr

Monta guards Ray Allen
11:42 – After PP gets his own offensive rebound, kicks it to Ray Allen at the perimeter. Monta, who was in the paint looking for the rebound, runs hard at Allen. I thought Allen could have shot it, but for some reason, he dribbles around Monta, fumbles the ball, turnover.
7:25 – Warriors miss a shot, Celtics in transition. KG was under the paint, Monta forced to guard KG’s passing lane to prevent an easy dunk or lay in. Other Warriors in transition look for their man, leaves Ray Allen wide open for 3.
4:53 – Ray Allen and KG attempt a give and go. Monta sees the pass, tips the pass out of bounds.
3:13 – Warriors misses a shot. Celtics fast break consists of Rondo with the ball, Ray Allen, Jeff Green. Acie stayed on Ray Allen. Monta stayed in front of Green. This leaves Rondo open in the midrange, which he doesn’t want to shoot. Other 3 Warriors get into the picture and the break is stopped successfully. No easy Allen shot there.

3 pts total

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4th qtr

Monta guards Ray Allen
10:20 – Celtics are set up high near the FT line, so everything below the FT line is empty. Ray Allen runs Monta into some screens, and runs behind everyone through the paint. Radman recognizes and chases Ray Allen through the paint back towards the perimeter. Meanwhile Monta recovers from the screen and hunts down Ray Allen at the perimeter. Radman sees that Monta has recovered and is running to Ray Allen, stops chasing Allen, goes back to his man. Great team defense. No easy Ray Allen shot.
9:45 – Ray Allen tries to run Monta through 2 screens. But neither Green nor Kristic gets a body on Monta. Perhaps they weren’t in perfect screening position? Monta chases Allen off the corner 3. Allen makes a tougher baseline 2.
7:15 – After Monta’s resteal on Rondo, Monta and Curry run a 2 on 1 against Rondo. KG, who trailed the play, quickly inbounds to Rondo, and BOTH Monta and Curry look to steal the inbounds pass…??? Why?!? Anyway, with Monta and Curry behind Rondo, Rondo quickly pushes ahead, finds a wide open Ray Allen. LUCKILY, Ray Allen missed the 3.
4:50 – KG in the paint draws a lot of attention, including Monta. Ray Allen sneaks away from Monta into the wing 3 position. KG kicks to PP, who kicks to Ray Allen. Monta reacts on the KG pass and tries to get to Ray Allen, but is slowed by Green. Nevertheless, Monta got pretty close to challenging Ray Allen there. Ray Allen misses the 3.
4:30 – Curry attempts an alley oop or alley layup to Monta, pass too high, Rondo pushes in transition. Ray Allen runs to the near-corner 3. 3 Warriors guarding the paint. DWright, who was standing near the corner during the alley opp attempt, just catches up. Monta trailing everyone. Rondo finds Ray Allen, but LUCKILY, he misses the 3 again.
3:51 – Rondo tries to pass to Ray Allen, Monta quickly reaches and deflects the ball out of bounds.
3:16 – Ray Allen runs Monta into a Green screen. Monta is rocked, crumbles to the ground and takes a half-roll into the Warriors bench. Allen is wide open for a catch and shoot 2, which he hits. EXCEPT, Green is called for a moving screen.
3:03 – Ray Allen on the fast break, Stephen Curry gets in front of him. Ray Allen tries a spin move around him, loses the ball. I think the refs rule ball went off Lee, Celtics keep ball.
0:12 – Intentional foul, Allen hits 2 FTs.

4 pts total

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Some 2nd half conclusions

- It’s hard to say the Warriors played better defense on Ray Allen in the 2nd half. When Allen positioned himself at the 3 pt line, Monta still gave him space, presumably because he needs to be in position to help the paint area. It looked more like the Celtics didn’t go to him as much, or they went to him only when there was an obvious play for him.
- It’s just so hard to stick to Allen when other players draw the attention of the defense too.

by IQofaWarrior on Mar 5, 2011 1:05 PM PST reply actions  

And this is why I love me some GSoM! Thanks IQ!

by Uwe Blog on Mar 6, 2011 11:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

why doesn't he freakin play adrien?

the dude’s big, he should help clog up the paint, no?

by killerk968 on Mar 5, 2011 7:10 PM PST reply actions  

this team seems to be all about tactics

and not about vision or long-term strategy

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by Evanz on Mar 5, 2011 7:31 PM PST reply actions  

I agree. Very annoying.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Mar 5, 2011 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

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