Season over, what's next?
by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 11, 2011 5:18 PM PDT
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PrintWhat a disappointing season, record-wise. Monta really made the season watchable, with Curry and Lee showing signs of greatness. ANYWAY, the season is over and as the title reads, what's next?
He tries hard.
So much had been said about Keith Smart's coaching decisions, just like nellie, but many have been saying he should be the first change in the off-season. With Jerry Sloan leaving Utah, I have really been hoping he would become the new Warriors coach. This might not a possibility, but a boy can dream. A new coach might be in order, but should Smart get another chance to help build this team into a young dynasty?
Andris Biedrins, les we forget. He has proven time and time again that he sucks, hard. The problem? The rest of the league knows he sucks hard, this makes it difficult to move him and his ridiculous contract. Trading him might not get the Warriors much, but it will make room for Ekpe Udoh to develop at the starting center position until they get a veteran center. So can Beans be traded? If so, for whom? Or is he just too awful to trade and should just be released?
The Draft, an event Warriors fans know as the beginning of the end of the season. With the recent, for lack of a better word, dumb moves, dubs fans have really turned on the management. The departure of J-Rich for B-Wright is what did it for me. That being said, should this draft pick just be traded for a great, proven player or should the Warriors take a gamble on another rookie?
I leave you with moments that bring tears to my eyes.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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MLB season, NBA/NHL playoffs, NFL Draft, NFL lockout situation, NBA Draft and Free Agency.
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ALL OF THEM HAVE CBA PROBLEMS.
NHL might not, but cares about hockey anyway.
MLB is MAD boring after 20 minutes.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 11, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm really happy to watch this years playoffs.
Celtics vs. Heat 2nd round of the playoffs. That’s going to be amazing.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 11, 2011 5:56 PM PDT reply actions
Can’t wait to watch the Heat sweep the Lakers. :)
by Missing Barry on Apr 11, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
really...
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 11, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Lakers play Thunder in the playoffs, i think we'll see Thunder in the finals.
My dream matchups in finals:
MIA-LA
BOS-LA
MIA-OKC
BOS-SA (so many legends at the peak of their career…who wants it more).
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 11, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Thunder and Celtics.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 11, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like Chicago's chances too
But I doubt they make it to finals.
They match up well. They got the size. Rose and Kobe can cancel each other out, and Loul Deng is miles ahead of Artest. Not to mention Chicago has a better supporting cast.
See, i was talking about last year.
This year, i could see SA, OKC, Miami, and Boston with Shaq beating the Lakers.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 11, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
No on the Mavs? What about the Nuggets (though it looks unlikely they’ll face off)?
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Mavs aren't very good.
And sure Nuggets, but i doubt they ever play the LAkers.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 12, 2011 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
They have Dirk, might have homecourt, and have an equal point differential to the Thunder…
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
They are not that good
I mean they’re good, but I’ll feel comfortable putting money on LA v. them
Sure, but do you feel LA is a definite lock?
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Why do you doubt they make it to the finals? All they really have to do is win one series against teams that they appear they might be superior to.
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Experience
The team is REALLY young. Minus Boozer who is 29. Never gotten out of the first round. Playoffs, experience tends to matter. I love their core though.
It wouldn’t shock me, but I’m a firm believe in, you generally have to take your lumps.
They are young, that’s for sure. I’m not sure how much experience really is a factor (if at all), though, and I also think they do have some experience. Been to the playoffs the last two years, including almost taking out Boston two years ago. Some of the new guys (Boozer, Korver, Brewer) all have playoff experience. They’re young, but they’re talented, and play some serious defense.
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
And, more importantly, have the #1 seed. Not only does it give them home court advantage, but it means they only have to go through the winner of Boston/Miami, whereas Boston/Miami each have to play each other first and THEN the Bulls.
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Bulls path is much easier.
The Heat & Celtics need to knock off two strong teams to make it to the Finals. Bulls can sit back resting while Heat & Celtics clobber each other for 6-7 games.
First round should be a cupcake for the Bulls also.
Pacers < Knicks & Sixers.
I’d expect the Knicks & Sixer to win a game or two in the first round.
You're assuming Boston beats the Knicks.
Only a 1.7 efficiency differential since the Perkins trade (and that’s mostly held up by a +34.9 against the Bucks).
by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 12, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not a big fan of the current Knicks, but that is an interesting point. How have the Knicks been since they acquired Melo?
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of the Knicks as currently constructed either, but Boston has been pretty bad (by their standards).
I wouldn’t be surprised if they drastically improved in the playoffs because their top six are so good, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if Shaq can’t go, Kristic is Kristic, Jeff Green plays too much and they lose.
Hard to call it, is all I’m saying.
by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 12, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
on the other hand
Denver is now running two deep at every single position and playing great
…it is a team game after all!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Apr 12, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I picked the Thunder to beat LA last year too.
This year I feel the same way. I think it’s gonna be a Thunder Vs Celtics or Bulls Final.
No Chicago vs San Antonio love?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
If they meet, yes.
I don’t think they;ll meet.
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Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 11, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, were I a betting man, I’d never put money on one team sweeping another. My comment wasn’t meant to be entirely serious.
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions
(Smily face was supposed to help indicate that)
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Over/under one 2 fights in the series
I love how much the Boston guys HATE Lebron. I gotta admit, in a way they are doing him a favor. It’s fueling him.
you mean an epic bust.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 14, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Why was the season disappointing?
Record wise, we are 10 wins (almost) better than we were last year. In my eyes, that’s called positive growth. I’d be curious as to the posters expectations for this team when the season started. 20 win teams don’t magically return to the playoffs or championship contention the following year. The Celtics when they traded for KG and Ray Allen in the off season is the only team I can think of in recent memory.
We got a nice core here in Ellis, Curry, Wright, and Lee. Notice i said nice and not perfect. Our bench was the 30th ranked this season, I would say that would be a good place to start this summer, provided labor talks don’t screw everything up.
Andris isn’t and shouldn’t go anywhere. While he has noticeably regressed, he can still be a viable center and/or backup center for a good team. Even if we get a starting center this offseason, this team would only have 2 true centers anyways. Udoh and Amundson are power forwards.
The biggest order of business imo for this team is creating a real bench (preferably at the center and pg positions) and to just draft smartly, which so far Larry Riley has done.
nail on the head...
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 11, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh. We had serious injury problems last year, to the point where our most played big men were a wing (Maggette), a 5th big (Tolliver), and a D-Leaguer (Hunter). We also somehow gave Mikki Moore 500 or so minutes. Despite all that, we actually played better than our record indicated. We had a 32 win pythag record. So we go out, we get healthy, we get what should be a better version of Curry, we add David Lee, and what’s the end result? Well, not counting the Nuggets game currently going on, our offense has been exactly equal to last years and our defense barely better. Overall, we’ve played at a very similar level to last years team. I don’t see what about that is not disappointing, to be honest. Especially considering we’ve now emerged into a position where as far as I can tell, we don’t have cap room now or in the foreseeable future, a worthwhile draft pick, or much in terms of trade assets.
by Missing Barry on Apr 11, 2011 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
20 win teams don’t magically return to the playoffs or championship contention the following year. The Celtics when they traded for KG and Ray Allen in the off season is the only team I can think of in recent memory.
you got a bad memory. from 00-01 to 01-02
00-01 to 02. nets 26 to 52.
01-02 to 02-03. rockets 28 to 43.
02-03 to 03-04, the Nuggets went from 17 wins to 43 and Miami 25 to 42.
03-04 to 04-05 the Suns went from 29 to 62. the Wizards from 25 to 45. Bulls 23 to 47.
05-06 to 06-07 Raptors 27 to 47
the aforementioned Celtics.
07-08 to 08-09 heat 15 to 43
08-09 to 09-10 okc 23 to 50.
this season it’s the 76ers and Knicks. 27 & 29 to 41 & 42 thus far.
*i left off 30 win teams like the bucks or lakers as well as teams that went from the 10s-20s to 40 wins if they didn’t make the playoffs like the jazz.
by homer simpson on Apr 11, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
The bench ain't our only problem.
We need to find a lot of pieces and have them gel quickly with (hopefully) a new coach with a better aptitude for teaching and instilling a defensive philosophy.
We’re really not as close as you think.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
This lineup
Is not good enough to get much better than this season.. No way we’re a .500 team until we add another good player
PFortyy :)
'11 Champs!
the worst part is that even if they did get to .500, it still isn’t good enough to get 8th next season.
by homer simpson on Apr 11, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, I think the lineup should be able to do better than this season. David Lee is capable of playing better, Steph is capable of contributing more, Monta is capable of playing more effectively, there’s a very outside shot that Biedrins actually remembers how to play basketball (though I’m not counting on it). And, of course, there’s the coaching issue. I personally think it’s unacceptable that the team basically played at the same level as last years team, and I think we should be capable of quite a bit more than that. Problem is, even I don’t see our ceiling as much more than low to mid 40’s.
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions
, Steph is capable of contributing more, Monta is capable of playing more effectively,
To be honest, I think that when they play together, Steph isn’t really capable of contributing that much more. It’s not his fault though. Monta is just too much of a ball hog. I thought it would get better this year, but it really didn’t.
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Steph shot 60% TS
How much higher can he go? The only way he can increase productivity is by taking more shots, you know?
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Well, I agree, and I disagree. It’s pretty clear Monta shoots to much, and Steph too little, I think. We saw Steph’s role go up towards the end of the season under Nellie. I think it was reasonable to think Steph’s role would grow coming into this year, and Monta’s fade a little – as I also see the two as substitutes for each other, one doing more means the other doing less. I still think Steph can take some of Monta’s role in the future. Seems to me Smart is a significant factor preventing it from happening.
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I think I interpret what MB says different
Steph can shoot. Everyone knows that. I’d be scared if he can actually do much better in that regard, other than increasing volume a bit.
But Steph’s overall game has A LOT of room for improvement. Turnovers first and foremost. Defense, not to far behind that. Considering how much better a ballhandler/creator Steph supposedly is. The fact he turns it over more than Monta is bad.
Chalk it up to growing pains
you really see this on 82g’s. 61% of Steph’s turnovers come from bad passes. only 41.7% of Monta’s turnovers come from passing (his turnovers stem mostly from ball-handling).
subjectively, in terms of passing, the main difference between Steph and other “PG’s” like Billups, Parker, etc.,. are all those passing turnovers he gets on simple entry passes and whatnot at the top of the key.
by homer simpson on Apr 12, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
This is true.
Steph won’t really develop fully until he’s actually allowed to run the offense.
by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 12, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don't get the Monta's a ball hog and never will
He’s done a very good job of passing this year. He’s our best pick and roll and kick out guy as well
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People reach a conclusion and prefer to move backwards siting evidence to support it. I question how much people watch the Warriors if they can’t admit monta’s ballhandling and passing is much improved from last year or 3 years ago.
Is he perfect? Nah
Does he shoot to much? Yes
Has he improved his passing? Yes
Does he have PG vision? No, probably never will
Does Steph Curry have it? No
Is Monta a gaping black hole of ineffective play and all around evil? No
by tafkasam on Apr 12, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Curry’s still a work in progress, but I think his vision is pretty nice. He needs some more experience to get to the point where he consistently uses that vision to make good plays (and limit the bad ones), but the raw talent is there. Maybe not on the elite level of Paul, Nash and Rondo, but he still has it.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions
My answers.
Is he perfect? No, and one said he was, or expects him to be (i.e. “straw man”).
Does he shoot too much? I think so.
Has he improved his passing? I think so.
Does he have PG vision? I don’t think so.
Does Steph Curry have it? Possibly — more so than Monta in any case.
Is Monta a gaping black hole of ineffective play and all around evil? No … and “straw man.”
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 13, 2011 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions
response to straw man
Neither of those were aimed at anyone in particular or making the assertion people claimed he was.
Just saying like all players he has +’s and -’s.
He’s overpaid. (thanx Mully!) but at same time, his value on the market hasn’t proven to be what his talent level and value to the Warriors can be.
Should of dumping EVERYONE making over 5 mil, I see no point to dumping him now. Atleast work improvement, and see what he can do next year. He’s shown solid growth, and gives me optimism he’ll show more.
Sidenote: You might have a better memory than me. Was there any real interest in Monta or Andris in 2008? I can’t recall any offers to them, much less offers near the amount they got. Frustrating. I do believe we could have the duo on atleast 5 mil less combine. Which would of course, give us more flexibility to get better players and make them much more attractive to trades
look at kobe bryants shooting percentages and turnover and steals.
effectiveness or efficiency is numbers, going off number the lakers should trade kobe bryant.
lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 14, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, people make that argument about monta but monta has very similar numbers to kobe bryant
so, epic failure
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 14, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You should take some time to actually educate yourself with basketball stats. Monta does not have very similar numbers to Kobe Bryant. It only appears similar if you use bad stats.
Kobe averages 26.9 points per 36 compared to 21.5 for Monta. Big advantage for Kobe.
Kobe has a 54.8% TS% compared to 53.6% for Monta. Kobe is average to slightly above average, Monta is slightly below average. Advantage Kobe.
So Kobe is a much better scorer than Monta.
Kobe averages a nice 5.4 rebounds per 36 compared to a terrible 3.1 for Monta. Huge advantage for Kobe.
Kobe is also capable of actually defending his position, whereas Monta is not. Furthermore, Kobe has tended to put up nice +/- numbers, both adjusted and unadjusted, over the last few years including this year. The only exception is this years one year adjusted +/-. Monta is among the bottom of the league in +/- measures over the last couple years.
General takeaway: no, Monta’s numbers are not actually similar to Bryant’s, unless you look at crappy numbers that aren’t very meaningful.
by Missing Barry on Apr 14, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of that, have you looked at Kobe's one year APM?
Yikes. I wonder what’s going on there.
by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 14, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d guess it’s just a sample size fluke.
by Missing Barry on Apr 14, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Must be.
He’s the only one in the bottom 38 with a positive 2 year APM. Just pretty crazy (because it’s amazingly bad).
by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 14, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
1-yr RAPM is +1.2
I trust that more than basketballvalue’s…uh…values
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ranking11
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It just seems odd. Do APM and RAPM usually disagree that much?
I mean there’s a huge discrepancy.
by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 14, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
RAPM is an improvement over "plain old" APM
it uses ridge regression to reduce the errors due to collinearity of variables. I would just use that, and not worry too much about what APM says.
That’s not to say RAPM is perfect and error-free. It’s not. But I put more weight in it that APM, which does not have any form of regularization.
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But APM has such pretty colors.
That’s interesting, thank you. I’d been looking for a place that had RAPM but my half-hearted search turned up nada.
/hattip
by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 15, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way how did you find 1 year numbers?
by Missing Barry on Apr 15, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
see "ranking for 2011"
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/
btw, I just got last season’s RAPM ratings from the guy who runs that website. I’m going to calculate y-t-y correlation sometime over the weekend.
I know it’s only about 7% for APM. I’m interested to see what it is for RAPM.
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fail
are you a warriors fan?
curry will be in his third year and is improving, the off-season will serve him good as he has not rested since being drafted. and that will give him time to work on his weakness and to get physically stronger and to heal his injuries.
second
the trainer was fired, I do not expect david lee to get bitten twice in two years; the injuries really hurt the warriors and the new trainer has proven to be effective.
third
the team has shown signs of growing together.
fourth
dorrel wright has shown much improvement and if he works on his areas of weaknesses he can be a very good small forward.
epic fail by writing what you wrote.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 14, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Where, exactly, do you see a significant improvement for our team coming? I’m not seeing one in any of those points you made.
by Missing Barry on Apr 14, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
really, read it again and think about and maybe you will understand.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 14, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I read all of your points, and none of them are gonig to produce major changes that put us above .500, short of Curry turning into Steve Nash.
by Missing Barry on Apr 14, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
read it again
the warrriors was 2-13 when david lee or curry were injured.
less injuries next year alone will provide at least 5 game improvement.
5 game improvement in the win column will bring the warriors to .500
curry improving his game next year will add to the win column also.
do not see how you do not comprehend this.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 14, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
No, what I see are faulty assumptions, like:
less injuries next year alone will provide at least 5 game improvement
We had a pretty good injury situation this year, all told. Next year we could end up having a ton of injuries, we could end up having very few, but on average, I don’t think we can assume it will be better than this year. This year was pretty favorable.
I actually supported the notion that we can improve on our win totals. If you look up the thread, you’ll see that. I mainly just think you can find better supporting evidence for it.
by Missing Barry on Apr 14, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
the previous trainer was incompetent.
lee will most likely not get bitten again next.
basketball is not like football were you expect people to get injured and miss half a season.
the warriors trainer provided this belief to the warriors with his incompetence.
curry will have rest and be in better physical shape than last year.
I expect that lee, curry, monta combined will miss significantly less games next year than this year.
that alone will provide 5+ wins to the win column
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 14, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
basketball is not like football were you expect people to get injured and miss half a season
Yes, yes it is. The injury rate isn’t as dramatic as football, but guys do get hurt, all the freaking time. Curry, Lee and Monta combined to average 76 games played this year. That’s pretty darn good. There’s very little room for improvement in that regard, and lots of room for the situation to get worse.
by Missing Barry on Apr 14, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
curry injury was not treated properly by the old trainer and he will have time to heal.
lee was bitten and that will probably not happen again.
I do not see what you can understand about this.
both should be able to play in 80 or 82 games next year.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 14, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not that I cannot understand, the issue is that I can, and do, understand probability distributions. You’re not making a very smart bet, there are lots of things that may prevent them from playing 80-82 games. There’s no guarantee Reggie and Dorell won’t get hurt, too. Injuries go, in fact, happen. The majority of NBA players do not play 80-82 games in a season. You’re talking about an unlikely scenario as if it’s a given to happen.
by Missing Barry on Apr 14, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess this is now a post about teams better than the warriors.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 12, 2011 3:00 AM PDT reply actions
i cant believe i'm about to say this but
lets try to bring back barnes, cap jack, and b diddy. draft kieth benson in the second round. sign greg oden. package beans with first rounder for higher first rounder (only if we offer to still pay a larger portion of his salary).
my in my dreams/nostalgic we believe team
steph/b diddy/monta
monta/steph/barnes/wright
cap jack/wright/TCG
lee/udoh/possible draft pick
udoh/oden/possible draft pick
that would be some serious we believe
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
There’s not much leeway in the NBA for paying a portion of guys salary. I think the max $ amount that can be included in a trade is $3M?
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Minutes?
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 12, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Udoh,Oden?
Legbrace city.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 12, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
what's next?
let’s go get JR Smith
draft a big man (or best available and trade for a big man)
realistic, achievable
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JR Smith needs to stay far far away.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
aww man...
ok, agree to disagree then
I’m not super sold on him myself, but I do think he is one of the best available options, fills a need, and would allow better flexibility in our lineups
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Apr 13, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Lars is from FAR AWAY.
and he’s a good guy.
He’s with us, he loves us.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 13, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade Monta.
Get Andris a sport psycologist, try to trade Lee. Start Reggie, or get a nice SG who can defend and defer to Curry, unlike ellis.
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Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 12, 2011 10:31 AM PDT reply actions
Monta is the only reason this team gets TNT and ESPN games.
or is it because Charlie Bell is such a draw…
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 12, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
fail
it is because of Vladimir Radmonovich.
lol
trade monta but keep beidris
what a great idea.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 14, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
i really think this was our last year with reggie
the second TCG jumped into the picture, it was all over for reggies minutes
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Apr 12, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
That’d be a shame, given that Mr. Potatohead is a much better basketball player than TCG.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 12, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
funny
it’s not like it breaks the bank to keep ’em both.
TCG worries me. He has played decently since being acquired, but I just hope the FO can keep their pens in their pockets for long enough to realize that he is not worth more than a minimum contract
I guess roster spots gets to be a concern at some point, but I think we could use both of these guys at the end of our bench
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Apr 12, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Who is this TCG fellow we keep referring to?
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
YES!
Who is that?
"I am not prettier than your girlfriend, you just like ugly girls." - an extremely confident man.
by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 12, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
“Tough Crazy Guy” = Al Thornton
You gotta hang out in the game threads more, MB!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 12, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently. Game threads have never really been my thing.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and Al Thornton sucks and doesn’t belong in the NBA.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
yes, he does suck, but he sucks for us
and I liked this picture
(and I think it’s never to late to hope for change…against all odds…stupidly cheering for a guy who would probably dominate in the D League…oh, I think I get what Phil was talking about the other day
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Apr 13, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
haha, love the exchange too
and of course, Sleepy is the man who made the image!
“what is TCG???”
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Mar 8, 2011 10:58 PM PST
.
“Tough crazy guy
Every team needs one!”
by dubzfan on Mar 8, 2011 11:01 PM PST
“YA we sure do”
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Mar 8, 2011 11:27 PM PST
.
“well… I guess he is better than Vlad the destroyer
by Duby Dub Dubs on Mar 9, 2011 9:29 AM PST "
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Apr 13, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess the clippers saw this, mouth agape.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 13, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
that's real
but they essentially fill the same role (except that reggie’s the better shooter). i do like TCG’s hustle tho
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
A better way of putting it would be to say that they fill the same role (wing scorer who’s not good on D), but Reggie is actually good at scoring, while Thornton is bad at it. I’m not going to stop until we all realize Al Thornton is a bad basketball player. Teams that got rid of Thornton for basically nothing thus far in his career: Los Angeles Clippers, Washington Wizards. Add the Warriors to the mix, and I don’t think there’s anything that could more strongly say “this player is not an NBA-caliber player” than that…
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, getting cut by the Clipper and Wiz is pretty damning
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Apr 13, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Why not just deal Andris ?
Reggie wont be an NBA starter on a good team, I doubt we resign him at all and you know Lee won’t get dealt
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I'd drive andris to the airport personally if we traded him
But good luck finding a buyer. I honestly doubt we get get Gilbert Arenas or Rashard Lewis for him (two of the worst contracts in NBA). Even if we threw in expirings….
Dude, I would give you gas money if you took him.
I’d even let him use my psp for the trip.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 12, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Should I start a "raise money to drive andris to the airport" fanpost?
by tafkasam on Apr 12, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think I got that covered.
it’s only like $50.
Let’s lobby to try to get him out first.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 12, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL I'd endorse this.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Because we can't deal him.
No one wants him, unless you want Gilbert Arenas in return.
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Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 12, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
considering either way we'd be stuck with a massive contract
i’d take gilbert over andris anyday
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
I take it you don’t actually know how they’re making? They’re both signed through 2013-2014 (I assume both will pick up their player options, because why wouldn’t they?). Here are the details:
Andris:
$9M
$9M
$9M
$9M
Gilbert:
$17.7M
$19.3M
$20.8M
$22.3M
So no, Andris contract is not “massive”, or at least if it is….well, Gil’s contract is like taking on two of Andris + a little more. It’s not “either way we’d be stuck with a massive contract”. Their contracts are not even close to comparable.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
yes but there was a point in gilberts career where he was actually worth that amount of money
and not in andris’s. dont get me wrong, i think gilbert is still an atrocious player, but if we are gonna still throw huge wads of cash at underperforming players (and granted, gil’s wad is waaaay bigger), i’d prefer to throw it at the guy has been the superstar and has the ability to get back there (he won’t because he’s too indignant and a jackass though)
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Andris has been worth $9M before in his career. Not now, certainly. Personally I’d rather go with the guy that’s less of a drain on our resources.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Theoretically
If we did get Gilbert, we could use Curry as a massive trade chip to try and get a real big.
But then you’re putting a lot of eggs in the “Gilbert will return” basket. I love gilbert, one of my fav Warriors, but even I’m not ready to do that.
Now Rashard, is a different issue. He can still play at a good level. Certainly nowhere near his contract (he’s worth approximately 25% of it) but he only has 2 years left. Maybe with the terrible contract, Washington would throw in McGee.
Ok yeah right, now I’m in fantasy land
Just saying
Rashard + Javale for Andris, Bell, Lou and our 1st? I’d do that.
Washington probably wouldn’t.
I'm pretty sure they like Javale up there
pretty sure they are going to trade him for scrubs and the number 11 pick in the draft
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Apr 13, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
*aren’t going to…
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Apr 13, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Rashard’s deal is non-guaranteed in 2012-13 according to hoopsworld.
if that info is correct, he’s basically an expiring for next season as Washington will surely cut him in 2012 so as not to pay him.
by homer simpson on Apr 13, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
yes but there was a point in gilberts career where he was actually worth that amount of money and not in andris’s.
I’d actually say the opposite: Biedrins was easily worth $9M at his peak (in ’08-09 he averaged 14.2 pts / 13.4 reb / 1.9 blocks per 36 on .585 ts, in 30 minutes per game); whereas at no point was Arenas ever worth max money.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 13, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure I agree
2004-6 he was possibly worth a max contract. With a better cast, Wizards would have gone farther. With another legitimate all-star player (not Antawn, let’s say Amare like our Warriors could have had with Gilbert), they probably get out of East in those weak years.
04/05: .565 ts%, 22.4 pp36,
05/06: .581 ts%, 25 pp36,
06/07: .565 ts%, 25.8 pp36,
the assists left to be desired 5+ per 36, but he was an explosive scorer, who was putting up dwayne wade-esque numbers.
Now getting that contract after a huge injury was a horrible idea
maybe max is too high even if he was awarded it in 2006
But certainly a high salaried player.
Reggie could be an NBA starter on a good team. It’s just that Reggie wouldn’t be the reason the team is good. For instance, the Magic would be a good team if you swapped Reggie and JRich, but of course Dwight is the reason they’re good.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean, basically, Derek Fisher is a starter for one of the best teams in the NBA. Mike Bibby. Glen Davis gets some starts for the C’s. Ronnie Brewer. Deshawn Freaking Stevenson (he is a truly awful basketball player, I cannot emphasize this enough)….
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Ronnie Brewer doesn't really belong in that group, I don't think.
by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 13, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably not, but some people might think so. I like to try to wet everyone’s appetite!
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
what an epic post of incompetence and hate
trade the best player on the team and get a therapist for the worst player on the team.
sounds like a great idea.
are you are warriors fan?
are you on the right blog site?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 14, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Irony abounds.
In what way is Monta the Warriors’ best player?
by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 14, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mngt should build towards this for next season...
1. Steph – Get him to shoot more, foul less, play more minutes (this could mean removing Keith Smart)
2. Monta – Continue to work on outside shot. Work on getting to the free throw line & defense. Play him less minutes will help him. 38 mins or so.
3. Dorell Wright – continue to get better, work on shooting more. Re-focus on defense.
4. D Lee – get stronger. Continue to mesh with Steph & Monta in the pick & roll. This improved a ton late in this season.
5. Udoh – work on everything.
Completely re-tool the bench. We need a starting 5 as well:
- Nene would be awesome, but I doubt we can get him
- Anderson Varajao would be an upgrade
- Maybe take a low-risk shot at Greg Oden
- Maybe draft Jimmer (if available at our pick) to back up the 1 and/or 2 positions.
- We need good back-ups at essentially every postion.
Wright was never really that good at defending people.
by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 12, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Wright was good at looking left with his mouth agape as Shaquille O'Neil whizzed right by him.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 12, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
yay jimmer!! another ball hog! exactly what we need ;)
by GSkush8 on Apr 13, 2011 1:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
oh ya did I mention he cant play defense
yayyy! go jimmer I really hope he isn’t in a dubs uni anytime soon though, best of luck to him just stay away from oracle.
by GSkush8 on Apr 13, 2011 1:51 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t think Jimmer is that bad of an NBA prospect, I think he’ll be able to contribute some, but he’d be a horrible fit to this team.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions
use monta, bench pieces, and picks to get a top 5 center
maybe give michael redd a chance at the 2?
i dont know im just grasping at straws here
Would you give up a Top 5 center for Monta, bench pieces and picks?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 12, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Otis Smith
(after we secretly collude and promise to hire him 1 month after he gives his resignation notice)
Yes that was the most realistic trade suggestion I could come up with
please do name these top 5 centers
there is such a big gap between Dwight Howard and everyone else, but yes name these centers before you start throwing around trade ideas..
by GSkush8 on Apr 13, 2011 1:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Horford
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Horford’s solid enough, but I’d call those other 4 guys + Dwight all better than he is.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Bogut's really slipped back this year offensively (49.6 TS%)
he’s still a force on defense, though, but his injuries are worrying
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Ha and I’m sure having Brandon Jennings and Corey Maggette sure doesn’t help him out offensively….
But yes, true point.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
and destroying your entire lower right arm at the end of last season probably played a factor as well
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Apr 13, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
case in point
further evidence that Bogut’s arm is still hurting
Bucks shut him down as soon as they were mathmatically eliminated
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Apr 13, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
and why would these teams trade there centers
be realistic people
by GSkush8 on Apr 13, 2011 1:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I was just trying to name the top 5 centers.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
but yes, horford would be nice
but like everyone said, no one would give up their top 5 center with the lack of depth at that position, especially for monta and some picks. but we gotta do something at the 5 people!
Today's NBA legit center >> SG
There’s young/talented SG/ PG on many teams. However, it is so rare to find a solid big man. Howard is the only franchise center in the game today & he rarely needs to face off against another competent center.
Looking past Howard & just trying to obtain some lesser but still competent centers:
Bogut, Noah, Nene, etc are unobtainable in trade for SG (unless he’s good enough to anchor a franchise).
GM holding onto quality big-man will make trade on their terms.
It's unbelievable how weak the Center position is today
Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson, and even Kareem (at the ending of his career) & Parish (at the ending of his career) would be rolling through this weak sauce competition.
I don’t think the C position is that weak. I just think people, for whatever reason, think of some of the best C’s in the game as PF’s (Duncan, Pau). Even if offensively the C position is down, you don’t think the likes players like Bogut, Perkins, Bynum, Nene, Horford could at least play some D and rebound capably?
Seems to me that compared to the 90’s, there’s currently a lot more PG talent in the NBA and less C talent.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2011 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it's talent
I think the annual “let’s raise scoring” rule changes make the biggest difference. All of the point guards carry the ball when they dribble, and you can’t put a hand on them. If the current 2011 players got officiated the same way the players back in, say, 1989 did, you’d see an entirely different set of top scorers.
by Uwe Blog on Apr 16, 2011 9:55 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If this man would have bought the team, we would have way less problems...
Plus, everyone would have their own Virgil.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 12, 2011 7:41 PM PDT reply actions
I'm curious...
I know that Dalembert is not the most popular option for the Warriors (and he’s not the best either but he’s probably the one we could most easily obtain out of the players out there right now). But if we could get Dalembert for like 2-3 million a year for like 3 years, is that really a bad deal? He does provide a body in the middle who can a) rebound and b) defend better than Biedrins (I don’t think he’s worse than Biedrins defensively). Plus, we really need a backup center on our roster (because Biedrins is our only real C in terms of size and build). Dalembert is by no means a long term solution but he can at least shore up our backup center spot for a few years until we find a more suitable replacement down the road (either through trade, free agency, or drafting). I really think we should try to see what it would take in terms of money to get him because 2-3 million a year is not bad at all in my book.
by Warriors Fanatic on Apr 13, 2011 12:15 PM PDT reply actions
if we could get dalembert AND pryzbilla
This team would be that much better
by GSkush8 on Apr 13, 2011 1:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, that's my concern
they would get guys of marginal value, and would be marginally better.
I guess at some point we would acheive enough marginal improvement to matter, but I just have a hard time getting excited about Dalembert and Pryzbilla
But I do agree that we need more big guys, and either of these dudes would be a serviceable back-up
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Apr 13, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Pryz is way overhyped, by Portland.
this leads to them getting more in trade value for him.
Warriors won’t get suckered in to doing this.
AL HORFORD or THE ORLANDO SHOULDERS.
either one will do…
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Apr 13, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
yea there not the most exciting names out there but I'd we were to add them both
they would bring some MUCH NEEDED frobtcourt help,
by GSkush8 on Apr 14, 2011 12:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
regarding beans
i think all we need is a tough leader type player who would bring the aggresiveness out of beans. hes too soft on the offense.
just trade him and that other guy that did not play any minuets but will make 4 million next year.
start udoh
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 14, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
who didn't play that makes 4mill?
Charlie bell?
by GSkush8 on Apr 15, 2011 12:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Celtics fan here.
you guys need to let Smart walk and get Mike Brown, he will bring defense to your team, Ekpe, Lee, Andris all have good instincts on the other side of the ball they just need a coach like mike who loves “D”. With Lee and Andris + Ekpe you should be able to rebound the hell out of the ball, and have plenty of scoring with Monta and Steph. and this year have the opportunity to draft a premier SF in the draft like Terrence Jones.
David Lee does not have good defensive instincts.
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Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 15, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
ur right, my bad on that one...
On another note I hope the Kid the Celtics drafted Avery Bradley becomes the next Monta Ellis. He sucked all season then on the last game of the season he scores 20pts.
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