To Steph Curry, Thanks for Everything!

I read that a quote from Curry about how he likes Smart and wants him to return. Smart had asked every player at the start of the season if he could coach them. Steph is showing that he wants to be coached, that he’s taking ownership of his mistakes and attempting to correct them. A point guard is always going to be held to a tougher standard than a shooting guard. It is the toughest position to play in the NBA and it has been a difficult process for Steph. He’s on his way though, albeit a little slowly. It’s pretty much common knowledge that Steph is our brightest hope for the future, and in order for him to reach the lofty status that we all hope he can achieve, it’s going to have to be at point guard. So as you refer to, he’s going to have to endure the benchings, the punishment, the shorter leash, because that’s the life of a point guard, and Curry will end up being a better player for it.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 16, 2011 1:08 PM PDT reply actions

More PR from our good friend Kirk Lacob!

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 16, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions

If you don’t like what I say, don’t respond. You don’t need to act like an F’in prick. Thank you.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 16, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Haha chill out man.

Now on to your comment:
Why is this the only team in the league that isn’t good, that benches its young players for their mistakes instead of letting them develop. Curry is already our best player, yet the team feels the need to punish him. Why? Why punish him so much? It didn’t work for all the talented guys we’ve had before so why will it work this time? And if the goal is to win, how can you justify anything this organization did with Curry this year?

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 16, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Just relax with the smart ass comments. They get old. fast.

As to your post, I addressed those questions in my original post.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 16, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions

So did the Bulls bench Derrick Rose?

Did the Hornets bench Chris Paul? Jazz with Williams? Answer is no.

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 16, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Those are all elite point guards that were not making a position change from college to the pros. Naturally they’re not going to be making as many mistakes as Curry because they’re more comfortable with the position.

Also keep in mind that many benchings are Curry’s own fault for picking up fouls. If you get 2 fouls in the first quarter, you’re sitting. That’s not a benching. Curry’s getting 3.2 fouls per game, as a point guard. Sure, some of the reasons that Curry is playing less this season is due to Smart, but a large share of the burden lies with Curry.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 16, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions

I love your lack of evidence when you argue things.

Derrick Rose an elite point guard in his first 2 years? What? Curry’s first 2 years have been much better than Rose’s first 2 years. Deron and Paul weren’t elite players in their first 2 years. They were comparable to Curry’s first 2 years.

Will you stop defending everything GSW management and coaching does, and look at it objectively dude?

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 16, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions

Curry had free reign last season to do whatever the hell he wanted. He had no punishment, no leash, no nothing. And that led us to 26 wins. That’s all I need to know. Curry needs discipline if he’s going to lead this to to the promised land.

And regarding “evidence”, “dude”. Are you seriously going to grill me with a post about evidence that it itself has no evidence? Just get off my jock.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 16, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions

Williams

was a shooting guard in college, the difference with him is he had a GOOD coach, not a shitty one like Smart.

by Anonymous1337 on Apr 16, 2011 2:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

As I recall, Williams had the ball in his hands a whole lot and initiated the offense. To me, that’s a point guard, regardless of what the box score lists.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 16, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions

And somehow this wasn't the same with Curry?

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 17, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions

Wow, i'm not even going to talk to you.

I don’t like people who make things up.

He didn’t lead us to 26 wins. We had Monta Ellis playing horrible basketball, leading us to a 19-45 record when he played. Everyone on the team got hurt other than Curry. Curry led a bunch of d-leaguers to a 7-10 record when Monta was out. He was one of the best rookies we’ve seen in a long time. He had no punishment because he was doing great things for a 21 year old point guard surrounded by an idiot player jacking up 25 shots a game (Monta) and d leaguers.

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 16, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions

You forgot his best stat: he had the govstephcurry sign of approval. That just guarantees him hall of fame status.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 16, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Yuk yuk.

I’d say his best stat was the one where he averaged 22.1 pts / 5.5 reb / 7.7 assists after the all-star break. Or maybe the one where he averaged 26.4 / 6.4 / 8.1 in April.

Or here’s an interesting one: that he shot 48% from the field and 46% from three in games where he played more than 40 minutes, compared to 41% and 35% in games where he played fewer than 30 minutes. This season that trend continued: he shot 52% / 48% in games >40 mins. and 43% / 44% in games of < 30 minutes. Now I’m sure there’s some chicken-and-egg stuff going on there: he earns more minutes when he’s shooting well, and gets a quicker hook when he’s clanging. But I’d also argue that these numbers suggest that the more burn he gets, the better he tends to play.

Either way, you can make a pretty strong case that Curry was a Top 5 (or “elite”) NBA point guard the second half of 2009/10. 22/8/5 on 60% ts is no joke. As GSC notes, he led a bunch of D-league scrubs to a respectable record. That he needed more “punishment” or a shorter “leash” are cute slogans, but they don’t jibe with reality particularly well at all.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs

bottom line is smart has really hindered our growth this year!

at least we know what we have in DW now tho…

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Apr 16, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Disagree

Nellie possibly hindered his growth too. Considering Curry had no incentive to play ANY defense before.

I’d also argue, Curry’s 5 or 6 ankle sprains hurt him too

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions

Nellie has a strong history of developing guards.

by Uwe Blog on Apr 18, 2011 12:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

Essentially the entire 2nd half of last season was just stat padding. We weren’t actually playing for anything. As you saw this season as well, it’s a hell of a lot easier to put up stats (see David Lee) when you don’t have the pressure of winning.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 16, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions

Were we watching different teams?

I remember an often overmatched group of players compete really hard together to get Don Nelson the win record.

I don’t seem to recall anyone saying we were stat padding when it was actually happening (just now to reinforce an argument they concocted to fit what they believe should have happened).

Are you saying that the team benefits when Curry allegedly stat pads? Because if our record is better when he does that (and according to GovernorStephCurry’s post above, it was), he can stat pad all he wants.

Maybe it is only stat padding when Curry does it, but when Monta does it, it’s a player showing heart and doing all he can to help the team win.

Or more likely, it’s not stat padding at all, in either case.

by belilaugh on Apr 16, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

it’s a hell of a lot easier to put up stats (see David Lee) when you don’t have the pressure of winning

What makes you think this?

by Missing Barry on Apr 16, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions

I suppose it depends on the person. The Kobe Bryants of the world thrive in pressure, but I think for most people, you can play a lot looser when you have nothing to play for. When we beat the Lakers this year, a lot of people were saying it didn’t matter because he had nothing to play for. I understand a win is still a win, but my point is simply that playing free and loose and carefree is a lot easier to do when there’s no pressure to accomplish something like making the playoffs.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 16, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions

see David Lee

I see that David Lee was roughly as close to the playoffs his last two years with NY (7 games and 12 games out, respectively) as he was this season (10 games out). What am I supposed to see again?

I also see that Monta Ellis had an awful season last year, despite being equally loose and free to pad his stats. Indeed, he was significantly worse after the all-star break than before. And his best year by far was 2007-08, when the team went 48-34 and was in the thick playoff hunt up till the final week.

Basically, I see that you’re making stuff up as you go along.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions

And as far as the David Lee part…there are also players who put up good numbers while they have the pressure of winning. LeBron and KD for example.

Of course, the weirdest part about your claim seems to be that David Lee put up less stats this season because there was a pressure of winning (unless I am misinterpreting you). The 2009-2010 Knicks were 11th in the Eastern Conference, while the 2010-2011 Warriors were 12th in the Western Conference (although to be fair, the Warriors were less games away from the 8th seed).

Does either position in the standings (12th or 11th) really lead to the pressure of winning?

Or are you confusing causation with…I’m not even sure.

by belilaugh on Apr 16, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions

My David Lee example was simply that David was pretty much so-so for most of the year until we were eliminated from playoff contention. Then he starts getting close to 20/20 games. Why is that? Did he just suddenly start playing better in the last few games of the season? Or was there less pressure on him to succeed and perform once we were eliminated?

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 16, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions

But then what to make of his entire 2009-2010 season? Did he start off slow and finish strong after the Knicks were eliminated that year too (I actually don’t know)?

Because if not, why are you choosing to believe that his improved play at the end of the year was due to less pressure rather than him being that good? Maybe the zombie bite affected him more than we know, and he was finally starting to heal?

So yeah, I do see there may be a correlation here, but that still does not mean causation. If it meant causation, this would be the case for all players in similar situations and not just potentially be the case for one player.

In addition, does Lee seem like the type of guy to stat pad during meaningless games? He seems to buy into the concept of team pretty well to me.

by belilaugh on Apr 16, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions

I’m not saying he stat pads in a selfish way. I’m just saying that he could be playing better because there is less pressure on him to perform. Obviously I can’t draw a concrete correlation, but I did notice he put up better statistics once we had nothing left to play for. I’m simply suggesting that a reason for this could be the reduced pressure, that’s all.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 16, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions

I think you're seeing a pattern where none exists.

David Lee did start the season slowly – on this we agree.

But the Warriors were in contention in January, and David Lee played fantastically in January.

While April represents his best month, it’s only a six-game sample. Aside from April, January was his best month. And January is when we were making our last push to realistically contend for the playoffs.

In fact, you can make a pretty strong argument that his worst month was February. Before the end of February, everyone knew we were out of contention.

In other words, this claim fails the “silly test.”

by Ronaldinho on Apr 17, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions

Unless a team is completely terrible, it will be the later months of a season at which they will know they have been eliminated from the playoffs. As you said, April was a very good month for Lee, and at that point, there was not a whole lot to play for. Obviously, I can’t scientifically prove that he played better because there was less pressure and that’s not my intention. What I see is two things that we know for sure: (1) Lee played very well in April, and (2) The Warriors were essentially out of playoff contention in April. Like I said above, I can’t draw a direct line connecting those two things, but I can make that observation, which is what I did.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 17, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions

What I see is two things that we know for sure: (1) Lee played very well in April, and (2) The Warriors were essentially out of playoff contention in April. Like I said above, I can’t draw a direct line connecting those two things, but I can make that observation, which is what I did.

Yes you did.

ANd it’s a silly observation.

Because all I did is take your observation and look for other data which would support it, because everyone knows that six games hardly means anything.

And what I found when I looked for more data was that one didn’t have to look very hard to find data that contradicted your observation. In other words – as shouldn’t be surprising – when you base an observation off six games, you often end up with a very inaccurate observation.

by Ronaldinho on Apr 17, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions

well once a team has been out of playoff contention for 82 games, i’ll be sure to post those statistics.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 17, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions

And you wonder why people don't treat your posts with respect?

We were out of playoff contention for far more than six games.

And when you look at those games, IN THEIR TOTALITY, you don’t see Lee performing unusually well compared to the rest of his sample.

So, like I said, your observation fails the “silly test.” It only makes sense if you do absurd things like cherry pick the last six games of the season. Please explain to me why those games should be weighted so heavily and other games when the Warriors were out of contention shouldn’t be counted at all?

by Ronaldinho on Apr 17, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions

well once a team has been out of playoff contention for 82 games, i’ll be sure to post those statistics.

see 2010-11 Minnesota Timberwolves

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart

by kenntoe on Apr 19, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions

I'm willing to give DLee a 'pass' of sorts

He started decent enough, then had dracula-gate. Add the fact it’s a new team and system and players typically need time to adjust.

I never expected him to be 20/12 player. But If he can give us an efficient 17/10 production with improved defensive effort, I can accept that.

Looking at hoopdata:
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=David%20Lee

He needs to get to the rim, a bit more.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions

Me too, and I personally believe he will be a very good player next year. I think he just had an off year due to fitting in with a new team (minimal impact), dealing with a terrible head coach (potentially big impact), and the zombie bite (who knows, but if his arm almost had to be amputated I’d be surprised if it was completely healed by the time he began playing again).

by belilaugh on Apr 17, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions

Dude, every Warrior player has a good March.

They just suck in November, December, January, and February.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart

by kenntoe on Apr 19, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions

You could make a case he was an elite pg

But it’d be a classic case of box score rosterbating.

Either way, you can make a pretty strong case that Curry was a Top 5 (or "elite") NBA point guard the second half of 2009/10. 22/8/5 on 60% ts is no joke. As GSC notes, he led a bunch of D-league scrubs to a respectable record. That he needed more "punishment" or a shorter "leash" are cute slogans, but they don’t jibe with reality particularly well at all.

-Nellie ball inflated numbers and you know it.
The system was basically a pick up game, up down, no defensive accountability.
-We beat the Clippers, Wolves, Kings, Raptors, Pistons. Congrats

I got no problem with Smart cutting his minutes. Curry makes a lot of horrible mistakes. Fouling from behind for one?

I got a problem with the hypocrticial double standards for Curry compared to Monta/DLee.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Pace inflation is an overused crutch.

Six more possessions a game (compared to this season’s pace). Given Curry’s floor time and usage rate, that comes out to about 73 extra possessions for Steph over the course of his 80 games played. Considering he improved on his per 36 numbers while playing in a slower pace, I don’t think that argument holds any weight.

by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 17, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

He also turned it over more.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Did you even address what he said?

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 17, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions

Please don't compare Derrick Rose with anyone on Warriors roster

He’s elite. And he’s got scary potential to keep improving.

All I can say about Brandan Wright. He missed over a year. He didn’t get off the bench in NJ either. At some point it’s not the coach, it’s the player. He might have a future but considering how often he is injured and his lack of motor, it’s not surprising.

That said, I partially blame Lacob more. When you put a coach in limbo, he’s going to go conservative and with who he trusts over developing a player. I can’t blame Smart for BW. If you felt 1 game could be difference between staying and going, you’d go with who you trusted too.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions

At some point it’s not the coach, it’s the player.

Wow you summed up my thoughts, but you did it in about 1,000 words less than I did. Geez I need to learn to be succinct!

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 17, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions

I got my issues with Smart. I won’t care if he’s gone.

But this idea he’s holding back this team from making playoffs? Nah. The lack of talent is holding this team a whole lot more.

I’d say if Popovich (who I rate as best coach in NBA) was our coach, we’d still not hit 40 wins.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions

He’s essentially just a guy, nothing special but not completely inept either.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 17, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions

You don’t think Pop could get the team to 40 wins? Really? I can agree with no playoffs, but 40 isn’t very far from where we finished…

by Missing Barry on Apr 17, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions

Maybe

But this team was going to go through some major growing pains regardless who is the coach. In that I mean switching from Nellieball to a more conventional system. Defensive accountability etc.

I think if we had Pop for example, we’d see a bigger improvement year 1 to 2.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions

In my opinion, what George Karl has done with Denver is proof that, if the players have a good attitude, a great coach can take a team way past its ‘potential.’

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 17, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions

I think Denver has a lot more talent than people think. Not the traditional score a lot of points kinda guys, but guys that play effective, winning basketball.

by Missing Barry on Apr 17, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

POP would've figured out his rotations before 81 games went by.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart

by kenntoe on Apr 19, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions

Brandan Wright

There was a great tweet last night by @DraftExpress:

Remembering how bad Brandan Wright looked at these all-star games. Then it turned out it didn’t mean anything. And then it turned out it did

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by Evanz on Apr 17, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions

hah

Still can’t figure out what happened with him. I thought he was going to be the next Bosh when he was at UNC.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah I saw that.

I chuckled a bit.

by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 17, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Jazz with Williams? Answer is no.

Well actually in Deron Williams’s first year in Utah he did lose his starting spot temporarily to Keith McCloud and he had to earn it back which wasn’t until around March 2006

by iHypeTV on Apr 18, 2011 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions

Wait, I thought I was Kirk Lacob?

Will you make up your mind with this tired ass retort, already?

by Lacob's Ladder on Apr 19, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions

Of course Curry is going to support his coach

He’s a good guy and know how detrimental to his career it could be if he looks like a player who would undermine his coach.

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by LostHawkGSW on Apr 16, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions

My main point was that Curry is willing to be coached. In order to be the best player that he can be, he needs to accept coaching, which he seems to be doing. It’s pretty clear Curry is not near being a good point guard and this is to be expected since he hasn’t played the position for long. He’s mostly a shooting guard now that has the potential to develop into a point guard. How can he make that transformation? By being and accepting coaching. Sometimes that coaching comes in the form of tough love, but as I said above, Curry will be better off because of it. In a way, he had to un-learn the free-for-all-do-whatever-you-want-take-whatever-shot-you-want-don’t-pay-attention-to-defense-don’t-play-smart-basketball mentality that was so infectious last season. That purging will continue, whether it’s with Smart or with a different coach.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 16, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions

Sure. But he also has to be allowed to play the position.

Which he wasn’t this last season.

by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 16, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions

curry needs a BIG dominant center to lob the ball to! FESTUS EZELI ( :

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Apr 16, 2011 3:45 PM PDT reply actions

Curry

will be fine. Alot of GS fans though he regressed from his rookie year and had a down year but yet most of his numbers improved even with all of Smarts bad coaching. We have a very special player here in Golden State in Steph Curry. I think next season he will improve a great deal. When you look around the league, most players explode in year 3. Rose did it, as well as Durant, Westbrook, Love. So I see no reason Curry shouldnt. I expect 21 points, 4 rebounds, 7 assists and a steal or two while still having great shooting from the field.

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by GSW9 on Apr 16, 2011 5:35 PM PDT reply actions

When I read this

David Lee’s voice popped in my head it’s writing just how he talks

All we need to do is win win win no matter what,
Got the Dubs on my mind I could never get enough,
and everytime they step into the building all the three pointers go UP,
And they STAY DERE AND THEY STAY DERE

by Dinney on Apr 19, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions

Hahaha

thats a good thing right?

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by GSW9 on Apr 19, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions

yeah it's a good thing

David knows just what to say about a situation

All we need to do is win win win no matter what,
Got the Dubs on my mind I could never get enough,
and everytime they step into the building all the three pointers go UP,
And they STAY DERE AND THEY STAY DERE

by Dinney on Apr 20, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions

Yea

David Lee definitely knows how to talk

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by GSW9 on Apr 20, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Steph, you the man...but...

Well, frankly, you turn the ball over too much. You can barely dunk. You are extremely inconsistant. And your are getting married way too young. But in the end, you will likely play for a long time, and can possibly be a top 10 point guard some day. Only time will tell.

It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...

by iStoner on Apr 16, 2011 10:06 PM PDT reply actions

I’m so not going to say yes to the legalization of weed

by DubsFan408 on Apr 16, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions

lol

ya…about that comment.

It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...

by iStoner on Apr 16, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions

but in all fairness

you probably wouldn’t have been able to even read my post if i was drunk…

It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...

by iStoner on Apr 16, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions

I agree with everything you said about steph.

by GSkush on Apr 17, 2011 2:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions

You can barely dunk

By NBA standards, sure. By us normal people standards, you’d be surprised.

by Missing Barry on Apr 16, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions

What do you mean by normal?

if you are referring to the typical american, you are correct since most people now a days are fat as hell. But for someone who is 6’3" and in the NBA…he has NO HOPS. He needs to get some of those converse from sandlot. that should do the job

It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...

by iStoner on Apr 16, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions

I hear Karl Malone’s Sketchers might get the job done.

by DubsFan408 on Apr 16, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions

PF Flyers

FTW!

by jimmycaps on Apr 17, 2011 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions

I dunno, feel free to interpret normal however you want. The important distinction I was making was to compare him to a group of people that aren’t NBA players. Sure, he’s not an explosive athlete by NBA standards, but it’s not like he struggles to dunk or anything.

by Missing Barry on Apr 17, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions

I believe Curry's gonna be fine

But if the coaching doesn’t improve, or at least recognize just what a talent Curry is, he may end up being fine for another team. That would break my heart. I haven’t seen a jumper that pretty in person since Mullie. He shoots about as well as Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, and Chris Mullin. His percentages are fantastic, and his form is a work of art. I’m usually not one to glorify our players, but I really think Curry’s gonna be a real difference maker in the league.

by Uwe Blog on Apr 16, 2011 10:11 PM PDT via mobile reply actions

I like how this legitimate post with real substance about our best player gets 6 recs,

but a eulogy to a lesser player gets 25 recs. Funny.

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 16, 2011 11:55 PM PDT reply actions

how exactly are you classifying Monta as "a lesser player" than curry?

Im not saying your wrong, but id like to hear how you back up that claim.

It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...

by iStoner on Apr 17, 2011 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions

Worse scorer, worse passer, worse rebounder, and worse defender than Curry.

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 17, 2011 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions

well thats weird.

It’s weird because Monta averaged more points per game, with a higher shooting percentage. He averaged more assists per game, with around the same amount of turnovers. and he was 3rd in the league in steals. Now i know steals aren’t a good indicator at all, but from what i watched all season, Monta was a much better defender. But that could be argued. I will give you this. Curry is a better shooter. However, Monta is a better scorer. It might be a reach, but some would call him and elite scorer.

It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...

by iStoner on Apr 17, 2011 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions

It’s weird because Monta averaged more points per game, with a higher shooting percentage.

Monta did average more points per game. He also played 8 more minutes per game. His shooting percentages were all much lower, and his TS% was 60% worse than Curry. Per minute, they score at similar rates.

He averaged more assists per game, with around the same amount of turnovers.

So when did 5.6 assists in 41 minutes a game become more than 5.9 assists in 33? Maybe my math’s wrong, but i doubt it.

and he was 3rd in the league in steals.

Ok, and this means nothing. His defensive +/- and synergy numbers are much worse than Curry’s.

However, Monta is a better scorer.

How can you be a better scorer yet score vastly less efficiently at a similar rate?

It might be a reach, but some would call him and elite scorer.

It’s a huge reach, and i could care less at what some people do call him. I know what he is, and that’s not an elite player or scorer. Far from it.

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 17, 2011 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions

alright

your entitled to your opinion, but monta got more playing time in my opinion because he was a better player.

It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...

by iStoner on Apr 17, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Ok, that is your opinion.

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 17, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions

glad we could come to an understanding lol

It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...

by iStoner on Apr 17, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Too bad it's not supportable by much in the way of evidence ...

… but that’s okay, I guess.

But opinions can be wrong, you know – if you think “Seven and the Ragged Tiger” is a better album than “Revolver,” you’re just wrong. :)

by Ronaldinho on Apr 17, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs

low blow

Comparing the difference between Curry/Ellis to the Beatles and Duran Duran.

First of all, I don’t think any of our guys are Beatles quality.

Maybe comparing Pet Shop Boys to Depeche Mode would be more appropriate?

by Uwe Blog on Apr 18, 2011 12:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs

Ha

Double rec for you and Ron.

by olympicmike on Apr 18, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions

in all fairness

the monta thread has 25 recs in 7 days, whereas this thread has 7 recs in only 1 day. My guess is this thread will out-rec the monta one.

Either way, i think the amount a thread gets rec’d is more based on the quality of the post. For instance, if the Monta thread gets more recs, it’s probably because people liked the way it was written more, not because they like monta more.

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 17, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions

When adjusted per 36

Curry is receiving almost twice as many recs. He really should be a candidate for player thread of the month
monta is just over rated because he gets more threads for a longer number of day.
I blame Smart

by WestCoastWarrior on Apr 18, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs

We just need to get

Dwight Howard…and we’d be good to go. I say we all start writing letters to him telling him we’d like him to move out here and ball with us. That’d be nice.

Might as well send J-Rich out with him. That’s a world I’d like to live in for next season.

by jimmycaps on Apr 17, 2011 1:16 AM PDT reply actions

IF we could get Dwight I would be so happy and so would everyone else,

but sadly I don’t think that will happen, if you were to tell Dwight to name every NBA team do you think he would even mention the warriors?

by GSkush on Apr 17, 2011 2:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions

only if he thought of them as which teams he dominated most against

by bigkino217 on Apr 28, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions

So the top trending topic on GSoM is to Bash Smart for coaching Curry to play defense

Meanwhile, the second mopst popular topic is to bash team for not playing defense.

Does no one else see hypocrisy in this?

I’m more worried about the double standards of his coaching. But not fact he punished Curry for being 1 of the 5 worst defensive starting PG’s in the league.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 11:51 AM PDT reply actions

Curry is our future! He needs to play defense if that future is going to be anything more than mediocre. “Punishing” Steph might be a necessary step to teaching him what it takes to be a true point guard and the leader of this team. I don’t think it’s a personal vendetta Smart has against Curry, but rather it’s a teaching tool to make Steph a better player in the long term. Some coaches prefer a hold-your-hand approach, and others are more tough love types.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 17, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions

Quite frankly

I’d do same thing if I was Smart. Curry’s fouls are D-league-esque. It’s really bad.

You could make an argument, while Nellie did a lot of Curry offensively, he hurt him defensively, basically putting no accountability to that side of the ball his whole first year. But him behind the curve, in a sense.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions

The other night he had two fouls in the first quarter, and he knew it was imperative that he not pick up his third, yet still did. That is very concerning to me.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 17, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions

You're making up that last bit.

David Lee is one of the worst defensive PFs in the league. Monta is probably near the bottom of starting SGs in the league. I don’t think anyone can say the same about Curry with that level of confidence because first and second year players are difficult to evaluate on defense for the simple reason that they’re still learning.

No one on this team plays defense, so yes, pulling one player (and putting in a worse defender, I cannot stress that enough) is rather stupid.

But that’s not even my point. My point is that Smart didn’t run the offense through Curry. You want to pull him for defensive lapses? Fine. But let the kid play point guard.

by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 17, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions

Why though?

Monta had highest assisted fg% in NBA.

Curry is a much better shooter than Monta.

Curry should run more of the offense, but it’s not like we are ineffective with Monta running the offense?

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions

Considering the Warriors offense got better when Monta was on the bench, I'd say that he wasn't the most effective offensive player.

by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 17, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Monta had highest assisted fg% in NBA.

This isn’t actually doesn’t reflect well on Monta. It’s a bit counter-intuitive, I know, but what it’s really saying is Monta doesn’t pass nearly as often as he should. It’s a game theory thing.

by Missing Barry on Apr 17, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions

I knew someone would bring that up :)

It’s true to a degree. Then again, Monta finishes at 67-68% at the rim? So taking a shot when penetrating is always a good option. Mostly he just needs to cut out the 18-20 footers .

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions

let's find out what stat he's talking about

If I take it literally, it’s completely mistaken.

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by Evanz on Apr 17, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Monta had highest assisted fg% in NBA.

What stat are you citing here exactly?

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by Evanz on Apr 17, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions

He's citing the report out of Sloan that Monta's passes led to the highest percentages of made baskets in the NBA.

by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 17, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Bingo

Can you link it again? I’m struggling to find it.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/03/04/boundless-potential-with-nbas-advanced-metrics/

by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 17, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Gracias

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions

People he passes to shoot the highest fg% of anyone in NBA. There was a fanshot about it. Struggling to find it.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions

I agree Smart ran the offense through Monta. I’m not making any conclusions here but maybe he did that because Monta is the type of player that is best when the ball is in his hands, whereas Curry is also able to play off the ball? I do agree with you that Curry needs to be the point guard because he has the most potential to be the franchise cornerstone. Next season, let’s put the ball in Curry’s hands and let him initiate, and it will be up to Monta to learn how to be effective as an off the ball player.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 17, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions

It's curious

Cause Monta played his best bball when he was off the ball (07-08). BUT he also had a clear PG and excellent passer in Baron Davis. Curry is unlikely to ever be the passer BD was.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Monta needs to take a cue from Derrick Rose. Notice how Rose always attacks the basket and draws fouls. So he’s nearly guaranteed 2 points at the free throw line or an and-one. There’s no reason why Monta can’t model his game in the same way. Monta too often tries to finesse and twist and turn his body to avoid contact when he drives…when I’d prefer him to just draw the contact first, then try and make the shot.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 17, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions

He's already said

He’s planning to gain atleast 10 lbs over the summer so he can do this.

by tafkasam on Apr 17, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions

That’s good. But I think it has to be his mentality too. Even if you’re light, you can still be aggressive in trying to draw fouls. Look at Kevin Martin. I think that’ll help Monta take his game to the next plateau — getting easy points at the free throw line.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 17, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions

But that's the thing.

Monta isn’t at his best with the ball is in his hands. He’s at his best when the ball is in his hands as little as possible. It just so happens that the team also has a guy who needs to get better at having the ball in his hands and running an offense. You would think this would make for an easy decision.

by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 17, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions

That’s true I suppose. Well let me reframe. Monta seems most comfortable with the ball in his hands, but he’s at his most effective when he doesn’t have to dribble.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 17, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions

maybe he did that because Monta is the type of player that is best when the ball is in his hands, whereas Curry is also able to play off the ball?

See, I’d strongly, strongly disagree with this. Monta is a much better player off the ball. He becomes way less effective as the primary ballhandler. On the other hand, Curry has only succeeded thus far in his NBA career, in every role, and as a PG…well, he should be the primary ballhandler for the team. He was legitimately good at it at the end of the year last year. There’s no reason not to let him run things.

by Missing Barry on Apr 17, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions

Yea someone else pointed that out to me above. So I suppose what I meant is that Monta seems more comfortable when he has the ball in his hands. An example I can think of is that sometimes when Ellis has an open shot, he’ll pass it up so that he can dribble a few times first, and shoot in rhythm. I’m not sure if I described that clearly enough, but Monta just seems to need to get his…I suppose “bounce” before he shoots.

by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 17, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah, but usually these "in rhythm shots" are the worst shots Monta takes

by eldingo on Apr 17, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions

I’m more worried about the double standards of his coaching. But not fact he punished Curry for being 1 of the 5 worst defensive starting PG’s in the league.

And yet he didn’t punish Monta for being the worst defensive two guard in the league?

That’s the problem. It’s hard to know WHY Smart benched Curry, because he didn’t bench other players who played worse defense (and yes, Monta at 2 was far worse than Curry at 1). It’s not like he put in an excellent defensive player in there.

And while Curry makes defensive mistakes, so does Monta. And we saw zero attempt by Smart to reign in Monta’s gambling on defense.

by Ronaldinho on Apr 17, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions

I was as frustrated as anyone watching curry ride the pine. but while we can blame Smart for a lot of things, let’s not get on him too much here. Steph averaged only 2.2 minutes/game less than Chris Paul. Given that he has a horrible ankle and is foul prone, I don’t think that’s a bad coaching decision by smart. Sometimes the moments were very questionable, but on the whole, I think 33.6 mpg is a good number for a pg playing on one ankle.

Right now, steph is our cornerstone. I’d rather have him be healthy for next year than risk shattering his ankle even further so that we can finish 5 games out of the playoffs instead of 10…

just my 2 cents. great overall post, OP. rec’d.

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 17, 2011 6:03 PM PDT reply actions

It’s not an unreasonable point. I think one thing that makes it seem so much worse is the way Smart rode Monta and Dorell so hard, and overlooked defensive mistakes by Monta and Lee, yet seemed to bench Curry for the same things and to relegate Curry to a secondary offensive player for reasons that aren’t quite clear.

by Missing Barry on Apr 17, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions

that i agree with. i guess a more accurate modification of what i said is that i don’t think 33.6mpg for steph is too few, though compared to other players, and combined with the reasons for his benchings, it is both perplexing and unnecessary. I have no problem riding Monta because of his stamina and health, but fully agree that relegating Curry to second, third or fourth option, and benching him for defensive mistakes and turnovers is absurd.

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 17, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions

It wasn't the number of minutes (and I don't think I mentioned that it was), it was how he was treated in respect to the other players on the roster.

I have no problem with Steph getting 33 MPG. I have a problem with the reasons he got 33 MPG and I have a problem with what his role was on the floor for a large part of those 33 MPG.

by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 17, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions

The biggest question with steph when he was coming out of Davidson was if he could become a point guard, and of course another big question was his defense. Steph is a work in progress and who knows if he will ever be a true point guard but it’s worth it to keep him around and see if that’s possible.

by GSkush on Apr 17, 2011 7:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions

Iggy would really be the perfect complement guard for Curry

by eldingo on Apr 17, 2011 8:48 PM PDT reply actions

I agree

by Uwe Blog on Apr 18, 2011 12:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

An excellent thread...

Ruined by the personal comments and the ‘He said, she said’ nonsense above….THIS is the type of thing that has ruined many previously good topics for discussion on GSOM and it has to stop.
Personally I would remove ALL the comments that had no relevance to the topic. Maybe a good new rule for GSOM next year or this offseason, is that ANY non-topic related comment will be removed, period. That way we keep it clean and focused and no one can be accused of ‘targeting’.

'In Lacob We Trust'......

by BritWarriorGSW on Apr 18, 2011 5:55 AM PDT reply actions

I would remove ALL the comments that had no relevance to the topic.

Good idea. Done.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Apr 18, 2011 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions

Yeah...

That got ugly. I was disappointed to find that most of these ‘new’ comments were just a few users going back and forth.

by olympicmike on Apr 18, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions

remove ALL the comments that had no relevance

That would include your whining comment first!

If you don’t like peoples comments then I recommend buying a sports illustrated.

Censorship is horrible. At best it is a necessary evil and should be minimized.

With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".

by KillaContract on Apr 19, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions

That would include your whining comment first!

Well that’s kinda true. And yours with it.

And … this whining comment. D’oh!

Seriously, the occasional off-topic comment is cool. But when entire subthreads turn into personal referenda about poster or another, and lose all focus on hoops, it gets dull, and really lowers the overall quality of the site. I’m partly responsible for it this time, so I feel obligated to clean up the mess. Apologies to Tafkasam, Spider, Ronaldinho and others who had some good hoops-related points hidden in the clean-up. Unfortunately, the SB Nation editing interface doesn’t allow you to hide a comment without also hiding all the replies to it.

Totally agreed that as a rule “hiding” should be minimized. But as you note: sometimes it’s a necessary evil.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Apr 19, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions

Disappointed in you

Do you think that this “hiding” builds community? Have you ruled with fairness? There was nothing personal in my comments. In fact, I stand by them as representing what many GSoM members feel. You have abused your moderator power.

by eshock on Apr 19, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Do you think that this "hiding" builds community?

Honestly, I think it kinda does. I don’t think anyone other than us (if even us) is really that interested in hearing you accusing half the GSoM community of being smug, or me calling you smug back, or you calling me smug back while discussing my use of em dashes. I think that kind of stuff distracts from interesting discussion and generally creates an unpleasant, unfun environment. I’m pretty sure I’ve hidden more of my own comments in this thread than anyone else’s.

Have you ruled with fairness?

I dunno, man. I try.

There was nothing personal in my comments.

Haha. OK, have it your way. Only you can say for sure how your comments were intended.

In fact, I stand by them as representing what many GSoM members feel.

So which is it — the comments weren’t directed at me personally, or they were, and were on behalf of the GSoM community? I dunno … as a rule, I think it’s always best to speak for oneself.