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The Lakers will be trading Bynum in the next two years.


I am a Warriors fan living in Los Angeles for the past two years.  It's been hard but thanks to this great site I can keep up with all things Warriors.  I've been a fan since the Run TMC years, and as a child remember Rick Barry and the championship year.  As someone living in LA I can tall you the Warriors will have the chance to really turn this team around this off season by trading for Bynum.

Star-divide

They are talking about it on the radio openly in Los Angeles that they will be getting their future center Dwight Howard as soon as he's available.  They also plan on signing power forward Blake Griffin as soon as he's available.  The Lakers prefer a massive front line, and they plan on staying champions when Kobe retires.  They are basically still admiring Kobe, but starting to write him off as getting old.

I honestly believe they will sign Dwight Howard in a year.  They also, for some reason, go through periods where they hate on Andrew Bynum.  Whenever Bynum gets hurt they talk about how they can't rely on him, and how he doesn't play hard unless you get him points early in the game.  They love to slag the guy.

They also talk openly about Derek Fisher being too slow and the reason they might not win it all is because no one on the Lakers can stop a guard like Chris Paul (who can?)  So it's obvious they are going to be in the market for heir point guard of the future this off season.  I believe they would covet Stephen Curry more than Monta Ellis because they value players like Curry that fit into a system rather than play like Kobe did when he first came into the league.

The best chance the Warrior have or making a significant improvement this year is to trade some kind of package of Curry and others for Bynum.  The Lakers will do it, and although it has a lot of risks, Bynum is the Big we should try to get.

Pau Gasol isn't the Laker big to go after.  He's a great scorer, but soft as can be.  He's anti-tough.  He's a great guy to have when someone else is being the beast.  He's a great scoring big.  That's all he is.

Bynum can't play 82 games a year.  I'll say that right out.  70 games a year is what he can do.  He's about 25 years old.  He has a huge contract, but he can bang with the biggest centers in the NBA, can score when it's crowded inside, and if not over used, will play most of your important games in a season.

Odom is also decent, but I have to say he's better in stats than game impact.  He often disappears in whole series in the playoffs.  He's slightly overrated, but he's a great 6th man.  I wouldn't target him for the Warriors.  He's too soft also. He disappears for long stretches.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Monta for Bynum? Sign me up

Curry + Biedrins for Bynum- Sign me up

Mr. Potato head + Vlad rad for Bynum? Eh I’ll pass

by tafkasam on Apr 28, 2011 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Mr. Potato head + Vlad rad for Bynum? Eh I’ll pass

LOL

by WYK on Apr 28, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly, Vlad’s contract expired. Maybe we can resign him for the veteran’s minimum and keep him here for a couple years as a 10th man. Maybe he’ll hit a couple more buzzer beaters against the King’s.

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Apr 28, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just cause the radio heads say they are getting Dwight doesn't mean it'll happen

Thats like when NY said they were getting Bron.

But I don’t doubt Bynum on the block 1 bit

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Apr 28, 2011 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I dont see how trading Curry for Bynum would help us out

Just about anyone else I could see, but if we give up Curry, we’ll be without a true PG.
Besides, I dont understand how you could have heard what you heard on the radio, when I heard someone once say that Lacob was going after DHoward and BGriffin.

by WestCoastWarrior on Apr 28, 2011 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah we wouldn't have a true PG

But we’d have then 2nd best center in the NBA and an opportunity to create a more balanced roster on both ends of the floor . With our cap situation as is we will have to trade Curry or Monta maybe a long with DW to get big time players.

I’d hold off on this and see if we can get CP3 or Dwight for Steph and fillers before I did this though

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Apr 28, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Center>PG

We get Bynum and MLE someone like Felton we’ll be better off than Cury at pg with Biedrins.

And there is a difference. Lakers could actually get Howard. If they have space, he’d go there. Lakers are still number 1 franchise (sadly) in NBA.

But point is moot. Only way they can get Howard is if they don’t pick up Bynum and Odom’s options. It’s only way they’d have the money. They’d have to find a way to dump Artest too

by tafkasam on Apr 28, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe we could get odom too

i should stop salivating

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 28, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well they can trade Bynum for Dwight possibly

So I don’t see LA budging too much

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Apr 28, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least until Dwight's situation and their cap situation becomes more clear

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Apr 28, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fakers don’t have the cap room to sign Dwight. if they are going to get him, they need to trade Bynum + whatnot for Dwight.

by homer simpson on Apr 28, 2011 2:20 PM PDT reply actions  

trading bynum for dwight is virtually the same as trading bynum early and signing dwight

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 28, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

sheesh.

no it isn’t.

they don’t have cap room. cap is at $58 right now. assuming it’s similar (though it’s more likely to go down), Kobe and Pau take up $47 million next season by themselves. Artest and Walton take up $13 million. Blake and Fisher another $7 million.

let alone Lamar.

even if Dwight waits till the 2013-4 season, the Lakers have 4 guys taking up $61 million (Kobe $30.45 mill, Pau $19.29 mill, Artest at $7.73 and Blake at $4).

good grief.

by homer simpson on Apr 28, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

i should have specified

if they make the right trade. If they trade for expirings and curry this summer, they could end up in a similar situation to straight up trading for Dwight, except with Curry, who has a year on his rookie contract past when they would sign dwight, giving them a year to experiment with that nucleus/trade to make space to extend curry.

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 28, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

still not exactly true

Such a trade would only put them further beneath the luxury tax line. They need to be far enough below the soft cap to sign a max deal.

As stated above, they have quite a bit of money already committed. Realistically, unless they want to trade Pau and Bynum for expiring contracts (and absolutely nothing else), they will not be able to sign Dwight without a sign-and-trade.

by ERock386 on May 1, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you mean? Being over the cap means they can’t sign a FA….

by Missing Barry on Apr 28, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh… too injury prone and to too little heart. That said.. Biedrins plus Curry sounds like a pretty good deal anyway. We lose Biedrins contract, so that’d be good.

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Apr 28, 2011 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL Lakers fans will love Biedrins

If they think Pau is unmotivated or soft, they are in for a treat :)

by tafkasam on Apr 28, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I’m sure the Lakers could trade Biedrins for Howard. I mean, they traded Brown for Gasol. Why not?

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Apr 28, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still can't believe we went with Ike instead of Tracy Morgan

This is a case where potential was better than NBA-readiness. I would give up a package of Monta for him, but they’re looking to cut salary to make a run for Dwight. I don’t think we have the fire power.

Oden is someone we may be able to get. We can sign a Free Agent ala DeAndre Jordan if we can cut some salary this off-season.

"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum

by ejdacanay on Apr 28, 2011 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Monroe or Davis

I like Udoh though, if he becomes a top 10 player of the draft, I’ll be satisfied.

"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum

by ejdacanay on Apr 28, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, same here. That sounds good enough. We can’t expect our GM to be psychic.

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Apr 28, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus

drafting strong defensive players always pays off in the long run. look at OKC with Ibaka. he isn’t considered one of the best from his draft class, but he’s perfect for them.

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 28, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you want to win, picking up bigs that can defend really are the best. If Udoh continues to be the top defensive big in his draft class and just improves a reasonable amount on offense and defensive rebounds, I’ll be quite happy with the pick.

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Apr 28, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

me too

i don’t think – especially in a weak draft class – that a team should always draft for the best player or even most potential. otherwise you may end up with a team full of tyreke evans and brandon jennings. It’s smart to draft not necessarily for need, but for the qualities that make a team good. Every team needs a strong interior defender, so if one presents himself….go for it, even if he’s never going to be an all star.

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 28, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's not forget...

They had to wait a year for him to come over…so he’s a perfect example on how patience is important in drafting as well.

by iHypeTV on Apr 28, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ibaka was a late 1st round pick!!! They could take a risk. Udoh was the 6th pick and we will be glad if he is half of ibaka. We should have drafted Monroe, we needed a center and we could have got him but instead we get the “potential guy” like b.wright, a.Randolph and all are other terrible draft picks.

by passmore8 on May 9, 2011 11:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Um, Udoh isn’t a “potential” guy. He’s 23.

by Missing Barry on May 10, 2011 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

And the 18 year-old Ibaka wasn’t a “potential guy” in 2008. He was a totally proven commodity.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on May 10, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get what you're saying with the age

But what exactly are the statistics for 23 year old rookies improving?
I think a rookie who missed pre-season, and the first part of the season, may have more room to grow than has been implied.

by WestCoastWarrior on May 10, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is the y axis measuring?
Am I reading this correctly that up to age 27, the change in (whatever is being measured in the y axis) in increasing, but at a smaller and smaller rate before it begins to decrease (at an inconsistant rate) from age 28 up?
thanks MB

by WestCoastWarrior on May 10, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah it’s a win shares thing if I remember right, so Y-axis is win shares. So the basic point is that the biggest improvements tend to happen early on, by the time someone gets to 24, 25 the improvements tend to be pretty small. I don’t have the evidence offhand, but I’ve seen evidence that NBA development tends to be a function of age, rather than years in the league.

by Missing Barry on May 11, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve still got my fingers crossed that the lack of training camp and the injury caused him to regress in some areas, where he would have done better. I’m tentatively going to predict that he’ll significantly improve his baby hook, his defensive rebounding and his jumper.

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on May 11, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Saturday Night Live has really good scouting.

by Uwe Blog on Apr 29, 2011 9:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hmm. I obviously covet Bynum, but till now couldn’t think of any reason LA would want to part with him. The specter of DHo on the market next summer does at least makes their dumping Bynum somewhat imaginable. The harder question then becomes: what do we have to entice them? I suspect they’ll demand some combo of ready-for-prime-time talent and fat expiring contracts.

Throwing it out there…

Step 1: trade Monta and/or Lee for a fat expiring contract (Boris Diaw, e.g.)
Step 2: trade fat expiring contract(s) and Dorell Wright LA for Bynum

2012/13 Lakers: PG / Kobe / Dorell / Gasol / Howard
2012/13 Warriors: Curry / Burks / Leonard / Udoh / Bynum

We’re able to draft both Burks and Leonard by picking up Charlotte’s first rounder in the Monta/Diaw swap. (Not sure how we dump Lee and Biedrins … let me sleep on that).

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Apr 28, 2011 2:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I doubt we're going to dump Lee

We won’t be dumping him in 3-4 years. But if Lacob and Co can do it, then I’ll be forever in their debt.

"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum

by ejdacanay on Apr 28, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMAO

Bynum’s not getting traded to the Warriors.

If he does get traded, it’ll be to secure getting Dwight Howard in a sign-and-trade with the Magic. Even that is something I doubt will happen. But IF he IS traded, it won’t be here.

Why are Warrior fans so insane sometimes? No offense, but this is just crazy talk.

http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/

by Brownie13 on Apr 28, 2011 2:41 PM PDT reply actions  

There are only so many teams in the NBA. Curry is one of the most coveted on any team. If we’re willing to trade Curry, getting Bynum would be quite plausible, I think.

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Apr 28, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is plausible, but I'd want more than Bynum for Curry

I’d also prefer to keep him, but if he does bring a great package along the lines, we gotta take it.

"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum

by ejdacanay on Apr 28, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Yes! Bynum AND something else for Curry. That’ll happen

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by Brownie13 on Apr 28, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

especially when you consider the fact that LA is the most appealing franchise in the league. getting a team to part with a coveted pg like curry is not easy. but getting a FA PF or C to sign with the LA Lakers? piece of cake. trading bynum for curry would be a fantastic move for the Lakers.

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 28, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

They would likely be interested in Dorell as well. But Curry would own in L.A. Imagine Curry playing along side a top-tier post man who can pass like Gasol. Who needs Kobe?

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Apr 28, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m suggesting that Curry plus Gasol are greater than the sum of their parts. I’m not saying Curry is better than Kobe.

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Apr 28, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Regardless of whether you think Curry is better than Kobe now -

(not a discussion I’m interested in having) if you could decide to have one of those two players for the next four years, Curry is the obvious choice.

Kobe is in decline. He’s playing fewer minutes. His efficiency is trending the wrong way.

If the Lakers decide that their championship window with this team is closed (which it obviously isn’t, yet) then they quickly find themselves in a position where, building for the next window, they’d rather have a player like Curry than a player like Kobe.

by Ronaldinho on Apr 29, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

one of those two players for the next four years, Curry is the obvious choice.

as much as i love curry and often dislike kobe, i have to disagree at that being an obvious choice. next 10 years? that’s a very obvious choice. but next four years? I can guarantee you kobe’s still an all-star in four years. will curry have made the all-star team yet?

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 29, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kobe may be retired by then.

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 29, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I kind of feel he'll be one of those guys who has a hard time walking away

But who knows.

Could also see him going to Milan. Italians love Kobe. Kobe loves white girls

by tafkasam on Apr 29, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Kobe's an all-star in four years, it'll be on reputation, not performance

He’s already clearly lost a stop.

I’ll be surprised if Curry isn’t clearly the better player the season after next.

Kobe really looks to me – and I see him play a fair amount, since I live in LA – like a player who’s right at the cusp of hitting the wall. It’s not just that he’s almost 33, but he’s almost 33 and has been playing NBA minutes since he was 18.

by Ronaldinho on Apr 29, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps if he’s shot up with enough pain killer…

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Apr 29, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s indubitably lost a step….and yet….he’s still, without hesitation, a top-5 MVP candidate for this season. we’re not dealing with a star here. we’re dealing with one of the greatest players of all time. sure he’s lost a step, and sure he’ll continue to do so, but he’s kobe with three lost steps is still as good of an athlete as curry, but with a helluva a lot more talent. kobe’s athleticism took him from a great player to an all-time great player. he’s still going to be a great player these next few years (imho, obviously)

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 29, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

syntax failure

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"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 29, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was not a top 5 mvp candidate this year.

I’ll give you top 10 player.

"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 30, 2011 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

in your opinion

but he will finish in the top 5 (given that every main sports outlet has him in their top-5 MVP, and those are the voters) this year.

i love steph as much as anyone, and dislike kobe quite a bit too. but the reality is, Steph is striving to be a very good player. kobe is an all-time great. even when an all-time great is coming down a little, they’re still an all-time great, and still possess a unique skill set and knowledge base that, over the course of an 82 game season, is incalculably valuable.

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 30, 2011 5:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not even as much about the 82 game season.

As it is about the 16-28 game playoff that comes after. Even if a player can’t give his all for 82 games, their best can be brought in the post-season, where there is always time allowed for recovery and the season doesn’t go on and on.

http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/

by Brownie13 on Apr 30, 2011 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Instead of basing our arguments on the dubious voting habits of people who generally aren’t very knowledgeable when it comes to basketball, why don’t we actually try to make arguments about how good Kobe is now and how fast we expect him to decline? His efficiency is down a decent amount over the last two years, so that’s not a good sign. He’s had more shots blocked over the past two seasons than before (declining athleticism?!), and he’s getting to the line less. I think he’s pretty clearly declining. He’s already 27th all-time in regular season minutes played, so I think it’ll be tough for him to age well. He’s gonna be 36 at the end of these 4 years…..

by Missing Barry on Apr 30, 2011 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about leadership?

Kobe makes that whole team click. I used to be under impression he was selfish, and to a degree he is. But increasingly I believe what Laker fans tells me, it’s not as much Kobe is selfish as the rest of the players DEFER to him. I mean we know how good Pau and Lamar can be. But both have very passive personalities and don’t show up for a lot of games the way they should.

I think at this point in his career he’d be pretty content with scoring less and racking up a few more assists., but it just doesn’t happen.

This isn’t the early 2000s Lakers where Shaq was the clear dominant player AND wanted the ball.

by tafkasam on Apr 30, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kobe makes that whole team click. I used to be under impression he was selfish, and to a degree he is. But increasingly I believe what Laker fans tells me, it’s not as much Kobe is selfish as the rest of the players DEFER to him.

Well, let’s look at that claim that the other players defer to him. Is that necessarily a good thing? What if they defer to him out of this belief that he’s better than he is, or that they fear him, or something? What if it causes someone like Pau to be more passive, but without Kobe, he would be more aggressive and assertive because he’s see it as his job? I can see a potential argument that he might actually be better without Kobe around. I don’t know that to be true. I just don’t generally prefer these subjects, because most of the time when I see these subjects discussed, it seems like people are just using something like “leadership” to fit their conclusion. They can really be taken any way you want, to fit whatever conclusion you want.

by Missing Barry on Apr 30, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

No it’s not a good thing. That’s my point. But what can you do if you’re Kobe? They work the ball into pau and odom all the time and they pass out. SOMEONE has to shoot. They always say we need to get pau more shots, and some games he’ll come out with 15-20 and get 25 points and dominate, others he looks uninterested takes 8 or so shots, gets 8-10 points.

Just saying you NEVER see that attitude with Kobe.

There is no fear of Kobe by the way. Kobe is constantly saying ‘we need pau to take more shots’ etc. etc. I think he’s very comfortable with riding pau/lamar/bynum for stretches of game and getting his shot from there. Conserving energy, and his knees/ankles/general bodily injuries. But he is competitive first and foremost. And if no one is going to do it, he’ll try and force the issue.

By the way Pau without Kobe was a mediocre memphis team. Pau may put up great numbers. He’s the most skilled post player (if you don’t count Dirk as a post player) but he really floats in and out.

Everything I said for Pau can be amplified with Odom who is even more passive offensively.

Just saying, is Amare better than Pau? No. But you could say, they could definitely use him more than Pau because of his scoring mentality it’d likely help Kobe out and keep him from forcing bad shots.

by tafkasam on Apr 30, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pau’s always had a passive personality though. Even with memphis, it’s what got him run out of towns. Fans were tired of his ‘softness’.

He just doesn’t have that consistent alpha player mentality, like say shaq did.

I’m pretty sure if this Kobe played with that Shaq, they’d be even better than first 3 peat. Kobe was a lot more selfish/immature player back then. Which is expected for a 21-24 year old I suppose

by tafkasam on Apr 30, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's funny

Because Kobe today is a lot more of a willing passer than Kobe during the Shaq era. Problem is, this Laker team is generally too passive. Pau/Odom/Bynum should be combining for over 50 ppg consistently. They don’t. It’s easy to blame Kobe because of his selfish rep, but watch them play. They all defer to him. They are all passive for long stretches. They all underperform in my opinion.

by tafkasam on Apr 30, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

without hesitation, a top-5 MVP candidate for this season

I don’t see how you get there.

Players every team would rather have than Kobe, indisputably:

LeBron, Wade, Howard, Durant. Howard creates minutes/team balance issues, but those other three guys take Kobe’s minutes and make the team better.

Then you’ve got a tier of players where I would argue, for different reasons, are better candidates. Kobe belongs in this group, but I don’t see how you can put Kobe at the top of the list but others might see it differently:

Dirk, Paul, Love, Nash (having one of his best seasons), Ginobili.

It’s very hard to argue that Kobe is having a better season than all of the people in that second group. I don’t see, for example, how one can possibly see him as more valuable to his team than Chris Paul or Manu Ginobili (people really don’t understand how important Ginobili was to the Spurs this year, because they assume Duncan is still Duncan. He’s not.)

Of course, Kobe has a better team than all of those guys. None of them have a teammate as good as Gasol (quite frankly, would be an MVP candidate if it was acceptable for the mainstream media to talk as about anyone other than Kobe as the best Laker). For a bunch of those other players (eg, Nash, Love, DIrk), Odom or Bynum – whomever you rate lower – would be their best teammate, and you’re talking about the fourth best Laker.

by Ronaldinho on Apr 30, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nsash did not have one of his best years

That’s problem with just looking at numbers. He needed to be more aggressive, he wasn’t. He needed to score more without Amare, he scored less (albeit on same great efficiency). But that same efficiency is why it’s stupid he constantly passed up good looks to get Hakeem Warrick, Robin Lopez, Grant Hill, etc. looks

by tafkasam on Apr 30, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't just look at the numbers.

He was getting Jason Richardson more looks than anybody else for most of the season, until JRich was traded, and JRich was responding with some of the best ball of his career.

by Ronaldinho on May 1, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

they would be stacked

a starting backcourt of steph and kobe? dorell, artest and matty barnes? gasol? that’s a basketball team right there. I personally would LOVE to see Curry in the triangle (though i’d hate to see him in a fakers jersey). With his good passing but sometimes inability to be a true PG, and his elite shooting skills, he’s ideal for the triangle, especially with Gasol and Kobe on that team

"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee

by bradyk2 on Apr 28, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...

1. You’re overvaluing Curry
2. The Lakers have shown very little interest in Curry
3. It may be necessary for the Lakers to trade Bynum to acquire Howard. If they do plan on going after Dwight, Bynum will remain a Laker at least until Howard is under contact
4. The Lakers don’t need to trade for up-and-comers that may never fully develop like Curry. They can get stars who area already on the top level, whether through trade or free agency. If they want young players to rebuild, they also know they can get their own through the draft.

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by Brownie13 on Apr 28, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

1. i’m not sure he’s overvaluing curry. curry is a young player with a good skill (passing) and an elite skill (shooting), and has shown the ability to average CP3 like numbers for extended periods of time. he’s still on a rookie contract. he is a HUGE asset, should we wish to trade him.
2. the lakers never show interest in anybody. that’s how top teams work. the celtics never showed interest in jeff green and the thunder never showed interest in kendrick perkins and then suddenly they switched sides. there’s no reason for the lakers to show interest in curry…they don’t need him, and showing interest in a trade only ostracizes a tight-knit team (remember what happened when Artest thought he was on the trading block?). Championship contenders rarely ever publicly covet a player. But curry is ideal for both the team and the system (and derek fisher is past the point of being a starter); there’s no way they’re not interested.
3. not necessarily true. if the right deal comes up, they may dump bynum to begin to build around a hopeful DH12 acquisition.
4. even if curry never fully develops, he’s already a helluva player, a top-10PG, way better than Derek Fisher, and a steal of a deal for the next two years. One year of playing with Kobe and he’ll cut the stupid mistakes and play like a veteran; he’s an exceptionally smart basketball player. They can’t build easily through the draft, because what they need is a PG, and that is a position that is virtually impossible to find late in the draft. and regarding free agency…sure, top-level talents will want to play for LAL, but if they’re trying to pay DH12, there’s no way they can afford a CP3. and after CP3, DWill, Rose and Rondo (they have virtually no chance at any, unless they don’t get Howard), what PG is better than Curry?

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by bradyk2 on Apr 28, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

you clearly don't know very much about the lakers

for that matter, anybody who actually thinks Bynum could end up here for Curry doesn’t.

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by Brownie13 on Apr 28, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

and why do you say that?

obviously they won’t get rid of bynum without a plan, but especially with his bum knees, i’m sure they’re more than willing to part ways if they believe they can get a defensive PF or C. and they would LOVE curry…anyone running the triangle would love a normal sized PG who rebounds well and is one of the greatest shooters in the league. Curry fits the triangle PG description as well as Bynum fits the triangle C description, but he’s younger and healthier (and LAL has to be making a run at DH12)

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by bradyk2 on Apr 28, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actuallty don’t think Curry is that good a fit for the triangle. Especially with the other talent they have there already, he’ll get relegated to being little more than a shooter, and he’s too good for that.

by Missing Barry on Apr 28, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree that it’s not in his best interest. but i think it’s in the triangle’s best interest. it may not utilize him to the fullest (which i would hate to see), but it would get exactly what it wants out of the point guard position.

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by bradyk2 on Apr 28, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they could get a similar level of production out of a good (but probably worse) shooter than Curry who plays better D. So a cheaper/easier to acquire/worse player overall.

by Missing Barry on Apr 28, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

true, though i would think they may be drawn to curry for his ability to slide to the 2 when kobe goes to the bench? you’re right that it’s not an ideal fit as I initially thought…but i do think it’d be a good upgrade for them.

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by bradyk2 on Apr 28, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

With Phil leaving, they may not continue the triangle.

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by Naticus on Apr 28, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brian Shaw will

But beyond that. Curry is a natural fit for PG in triangle. Becuase he can come off screens and move off ball and hit open shots all day.

Considering he can initiate offense and play off ball, he’d have no problems. If anything it’d be best for him. Gasol/Odom in post finding him outside, Kobe kicking to him, or him finding them.

by tafkasam on Apr 29, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

has shown the ability to average CP3 like numbers for extended periods of time.

woah woah woah. I haven’t see Curry ever average 10+ assists with a godly 4 to 1 assist to turnover ratio for any period of time

by tafkasam on Apr 30, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

While we're at it!

Lee for Gasol!
Monta for Kobe!
Vlad for Odom!

… :/

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by Brownie13 on Apr 28, 2011 4:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Again, Curry is one of the most coveted players in the league. That’s a fact. Bynum is injury prone. Also a fact. Quit being snarky and frankly, obtuse.

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by Naticus on Apr 28, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

It really, really isn't.

Dwight is coveted. CP3 is coveted. Curry draws moderate interest.

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by Brownie13 on Apr 29, 2011 3:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Curry draws more than moderate interest.

Be real.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 29, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are undervaluing Curry once again.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 30, 2011 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

So...

Curry straight up for…

Rose, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Rondo, or Westbrook? Nope.
Other PGs that couldn’t be had: Wall, Tony Parker
Borderline PGs: Nash, Billups, Holiday, Lawson

Kobe, Wade, Manu, Joe Johnson, Eric Gordon? Nope.
Borderline: Kevin Martin, Ray Allen, Monta Ellis (assuming we’re just debating value and ignoring them being on the same team), Matthews, Tyreke

Durant, LeBron, Pierce, Carmelo, Iguodala? Nope.
Other SFs: Gay
Borderline: Granger, Deng, Artest, Beasley

Pau Gasol, Aldridge, Stoudemire, Zach Randolph, Garnett? Nope.
Other PFs: Boozer, Love, Bosh, Griffin, Duncan
Borderline: Josh Smith, David West, Odom

Dwight, Bynum, Bogut, Noah, Horford? Nope.
Other Cs: Perkins, Cousins
Borderline: Lopez, Marc Gasol, Bargnani

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by Brownie13 on Apr 30, 2011 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Curry for ZBo?

I might boycott Warriors if they did that

by tafkasam on Apr 30, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Borderline: Bargnani

wat

by Spider Jerusalem on Apr 30, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Based on a team's value of a player.

Obviously, our team and fans don’t value Bargnani more, but I’m also not certain that the Raptors don’t. Considering the recent statements made by their management about Bargnani’s progression as a rebounder, it seems they still think he can be an All-Star.

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by Brownie13 on Apr 30, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh c'mon, this is ridiculous dude.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 30, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

Why? You don’t think they don’t value him? They have the same management that gave him an $11M dollar contract. Same management that JUST said his rebounding could improve to solid level. They same management who has always believed in his ability to become an All-Star. Obviously they would value Curry’s potential, but you have to look it from their point of view also. Bargnani is their star player that they know everything about. They know very little about Curry in comparison.

But like I said before, Bargnani doesn’t matter. I only made the above point because it holds true for every team. It’s very rare to see a player that’s entrenched in a given franchise be moved because teams value their own players. The only time you see young players with potential that are already in the league be moved is when there’s a star on the outs somewhere. Otherwise it’s very rare. Even in those situations, teams prefer high draft picks because they want to hand-pick their own guys.

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by Brownie13 on May 1, 2011 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you think Bargnani has even a little bit of trade value, you don’t know the first thing about basketball. I think Toronto would sell their souls just to have someone take Bargnani off of their hands. He’s garbage.

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by Naticus on Apr 30, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe not for other players.

But the Raptors’ value of Bargnani is actually quite high. They think he is their best player. And if you’re only argument is Bargnani, then I think my point is proven. He was the last of 10(!) centers I named.

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by Brownie13 on Apr 30, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually think they don't think that.

But since he’s so bad, they have no choice but to stick with him.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 30, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again.

Bargnani isn’t important here.

I’ll gladly concede him in order to avoid this pointless argument when he is far from instrumental to my point.

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by Brownie13 on May 1, 2011 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

eh

If he was ‘so bad’ he’d be phased out of there rotation like Biedrins got here. They like him on some level.

by tafkasam on May 1, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

their* and they have much more money committed to him than we do to Biedrins.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 1, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

More or less same as Biedrins

but eitherway, it’s a sign they ‘value him’.

Thats what I meant by ‘so bad’. He is bad, but they don’t seem to think so.

by tafkasam on May 1, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

He lead them in minutes and shot attempts.

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by Brownie13 on May 2, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the GM lets on that the guy he picked first sucks super hard, he’s so fired. They know he sucks. Either that, or they’re utterly moronic. Also, that’s not my only argument. My argument is very simple. Bynum is injury prone. End of argument. Everyone agrees on that, and it changes everything. That’s why the Lakers would be wise to consider take Curry for him. They would fools not to at least consider it, in my opinion, especially with Kobe in decline and their need to rebuild their back court in consequence.

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by Naticus on Apr 30, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

See, again.

You’re advising the Lakers on what they should do rather than considering what they would ACTUALLY do.

the Lakers would be wise to consider take Curry for him. They would fools not to at least consider it, in my opinion, especially with Kobe in decline and their need to rebuild their back court in consequence.

There’s such a huge difference between what you think is best for them and what they think is best for them. This goes for every team in the league. I understand your value of Curry’s worth. Now you need to consider what their value of his worth is. It may not be as much as you think it is.

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by Brownie13 on May 1, 2011 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can’t read minds better than I can. You also implied that the Raptors would be stupid enough to think Bargnani has some value. That alone suggests you’re terrible at “reading minds.”

It’s really about what makes sense. What’s worth more? A probably future top-tier PG or a very good center that will probably give you only half a season every year and often lacks effort and intensity?

Just look around the sports blogs and see what non-Warriors fans think of Curry and what they think of Bynum. People gush over Curry, because he’s excellent and young. People like Bynum a lot… when he’s healthy and focused.

Again, the Lakers would be fools to not look at taking Curry for Bynum. This may be the last year Bynum can even contribute in the playoffs, judging by his history of injury. Why would they be anxious to take him? I’ve actually talked myself out of wanting him, because I’ve been thinking about how injury prone he’s been. Do. Not. Want.

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by Naticus on May 1, 2011 3:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bynum not focused and with no effort or intensity?

Only Kobe beats him in those categories on the Lakers. Watch a Laker game. It’s not that hard to see how intense Bynum is. You want to talk about not being intense, look no further than the other starting Laker big man right now.

I get the injury thing, there’s no question it’s something to be aware of.

And I’m not sure how I suggested what exactly they would think by listing Bargnani in the borderline category. It simply seems to me that you’re looking at it from the perspective of someone who is a Warrior fan and loves Curry only. From a more neutral perspective, it’s not as much of a done deal as you suggest. I’m not saying that the Raptors could obtain Curry for Bargnani. That just wouldn’t happen. But I’m also not sold that should that deal ever be proposed, that they would accept it.

There’s actually been very little talk around the league about Curry. Monta was the Warrior that garnered the most league-wide attention. People know that he’s a young player with room to grow, but they also know that there are other point guards around the same age or younger that did even better things this year. Lawson in Denver, Rose in Chicago, Westbrook in Oklahoma, Holiday in Philly.

Considering how deep the PG position has become in the NBA the last couple years, a middle-of-the-pack point guard isn’t going to garner that much attention.

Too many people in this post, including you, are being Curry fans rather than neutral evaluators. There are plenty of players on the list I created that I wouldn’t want to trade Curry for. I actually prefer Curry to most of them. But I also recognize how much their owners and fans value them.

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by Brownie13 on May 1, 2011 4:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

From a more neutral perspective

So you’re the expert on neutral perspectives, huh? LOL Right. Bargs sucks by objective measures. Period.

There’s actually been very little talk around the league about Curry.

That’s because the Warriors don’t have a winning record. But when there is talk of Curry, people gush. He’s borderline rookie of the year status.

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by Naticus on May 1, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I think it's obvious I'm being more neutral than you.

You’re acting like Curry could get us a top tier player in a head to head trade.

And you have yet to understand my overall point or my point about Bargnani. It’s not that he’s good or that I think he is. It’s that, as I said above, he is valued. He lead them in minutes and shot attempts and the Raptors management didn’t mind. They obviously don’t think he’s bad. They think he’s their best player.

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by Brownie13 on May 2, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is not valued by anyone other than the Raptors.

Why is this hard to understand?

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 2, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

And even they don't think he's that good and are just trying to unload him.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 2, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that's all that matters.

Because he is valued by them, it may not be possible to trade for him straight up with Curry. That pretty much goes for every team and every player. It doesn’t matter their league-wide value, so much as what they’re worth to the team.

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by Brownie13 on May 2, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where's your evidene he's trying to be unloaded?

Of all the bad contracts they had, he was the one NEVER mentioned in trade rumors this summer. Turkoglu got dumped to PHX, Calderon almost got moved to Charlotte. Bargnani is still seen as their franchise cornerstone. All you have to do is look at the minutes and shot attempts.

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by Brownie13 on May 2, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re acting like Curry could get us a top tier player in a head to head trade.

I never made such a claim. I only claimed that if we put Curry on the table, we could get an injury prone center like Bynum. Hardly neutral, making up stories about what I’m saying.

If he is valued, as I said, he’s valued by idiots. But you don’t seem to recognize just how bad he is, which is just more evidence that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Only someone extremely ignorant of basketball talent would suggest that Curry isn’t worth Bargnani.

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by Naticus on May 3, 2011 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then the Raptors management might be ignorant about that lol.

Considering that Bynum is the player that’s been most credited with the Lakers first round win over the Hornets, and is the 2nd best C in the NBA, he’s a top tier player.

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by Brownie13 on May 3, 2011 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

When he’s not injured. Oden is a high level player when healthy, but he’s practically worthless.

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by Naticus on May 3, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because we've seen enough of Oden to know that...

LOL

And Oden has played in 82 games in 4 years…

Bynum, while his injuries are in the same body part, is nowhere near that. He’s played in over 200 games the past 4 seasons.

The past 2, he’s played in more games than Eric Gordon. The past 3, he’s played in just 1 less than Bogut.

Bynum’s injuries are not as big of a concern as you make them out to be.

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by Brownie13 on May 3, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

You just said that Bynum’s played “over 200 games the past four years” and then closed with “Bynum’s injuries are not what you make them out to be.”

50 games a season for a young player isn’t very good. Better than Oden? Yes. But it’s still tough to count on someone who misses 40% off each season.

by Uwe Blog on May 3, 2011 9:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's comparable to Gorodn and Bogut

the last two years. Nobody ever mentions either of them losing value because of injury

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

That they don’t mention it, doesn’t mean they don’t lose value. A guy as heavy as Bynum won’t play long, the way he’s going. He’s only going to play less, not more.

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by Naticus on May 4, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

But you're already wrong.

I don’t get how you don’t see that. Obviously injuries are a concern. But the number of games per season is trending upward. If you count the playoffs, he’s played in 218 of 299 games each season. That’s 73% since the initial injury in 2007-2008. He’s also 53 for 53 in playoff games the last 3 years. After missing an entire second half of the season and the playoffs, he’s increased his games played in.

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Small sample size. His knee is not reliable, and that’s a proven fact.

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by Naticus on May 4, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Toronto has a huge Italian community

It has a pretty big ‘little italy’ along with regions called ‘corso italy’ and woodbridge which are largely italian neighborhoods. He sells tickets and is fairly popular on a superficial level

by tafkasam on May 3, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

The fans online hate him.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 3, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

This post, being in response to, “You are undervaluing Curry,” is evidence that you actually believe Bargnani is of about equal value with Curry. That’s contrary to your story that, “Well, the Raptors really like him.” Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about, when it comes to valuing talent.

Curry for the injury prone Bynum is a good deal for the Lakers, especially after this year. They do have to rebuild their backcourt, Bynum isn’t going to get less injury prone and Curry is one of the best young prospects in the league. I think the Lakers would be fools to not look seriously at such a trade, especially since they’ve won without Bynum.

Is it really so bad to start Gasol at C and Odom at PF? Not bad at all.

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by Naticus on May 3, 2011 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where did I say Bargs was better or more valuable?

I said it was “borderline” whether or not we could get him in a trade heads up for Curry…and that has everything to do with the RAPTOR’s value of Bargnani. I’ve already said I would never trade Curry for Andrea or a number of others that were on my list.

And Curry is one of the best young prospects…okay? Bynum is less than 6 months older than him and already more valuable as a player. For one, good players are at a premium at his position right now. That’s not true of Curry’s. Second, he was either the Lakers’ best or second best player in the 1st Round series this year, and without a doubt their best big man.

Obviously injuries are a concern, but that didn’t stop the Lakers from giving him a huge payday after he played in just 85 games over 2 seasons. He’s played in 119 over the 2 most recent seasons, and started every playoff game. He missed all of the 2008 playoffs, and reinjured himself in the 2009 ones before returning to the starting lineup.

They actually haven’t won a Championship without him. He’s started all 12 of the Lakers’ Finals games the past 2 seasons. Remember when he wasn’t there in 2008? They LOST.

And nothing is WRONG with Gasol and Odom…but their defense, rebounding, and bench, would all suffer horribly. Curry is not good defensively, and they’d lose their most important defender and best best defender. The biggest advantage they have over most teams is their size in the starting lineup and off the bench. Why would they give that up for Curry just to end up like everyone else?

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by Brownie13 on May 3, 2011 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Curry is a PG, which is the toughest position in the NBA to learn. He’s also one of the best outside shooters in the league. He would make the Lakers a LOT better, seeing as they are weak at PG.

For the Lakers, keeping Bynum is a real gamble, due to his injury prone nature. He’s hardly helped them in playoffs in the past, and yet the Lakers have won without him. You say they haven’t, but Bynum has done little to contribute in the past. That’s just a reality.

This year, yeah, he’s doing well. But no one expects him to suddenly stop having knee problems. His knee is jacked. Also, Curry is decent defensively. He can get better.

Plus, having Curry would make them like everyone else? Are you joking? Gasol, Odom, Artest, Kobe and Curry? That doesn’t seem incredibly, mind-bogglingly stacked to you?

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by Naticus on May 3, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

What have the Lakers won without Bynum?

And better yet, what have the Warrior won WITH Curry?

As far as PG, it really doesn’t matter if it’s hard to learn, because it’s really about supply and demand. With all the good PGs in the league now, getting a good one is getting easier and easier. Good centers have come few and far between in this decade. There’s a big difference there.

And why would you know any more about his knee than the Laker organization that gave him a huge payday post-injury? You said before that he’s only going to get more injury prone. That’s just dead wrong. It’s a possibility that he will, but he’s ALREADY gotten less injury prone, so your statement isn’t a predictor. It’s just false.

Bynum was once the second best player on a 1st place in the West team (before the initial injury), and he was again the Lakers’ second best player throughout the second half of this season. Considering there is essentially NO age difference between him and Curry, trading for Curry wouldn’t substantially improve their future anyway. Trading one of their other older pieces would accomplish that.

The team you’re proposing is less stacked and more like everyone else than their current roster, for a couple of reasons:
-The Lakers biggest advantage over most teams is having the perimeter star as well as a great big man rotation. Very few teams in the league have that.
-Not only is their big man rotation good, it’s also very large and imposing. Bynum, being the biggest and toughest of three, would be a huge loss. Their defensive identity in the paint would disappear.
-Pau Gasol was not made to play center. He can do it, but he’s without a doubt his best at the power forward spot, where he can use his variety of skills to succeed. He also wouldn’t have to guard the biggest and toughest player on the opposing team every night.
-Trading Bynum for Curry takes away their post identity on offense, which is what they operate out of to succeed. Everyone on that team is better, when they can consistently get the ball into the post, because it frees up other players in the triangle and creates the most optimal balance in the offense.
-Live by the 3, die by the 3. There’s already a lot of complaints in LA that the Lakers settle for too many jump shots. The complaints aren’t just with Kobe, but with Gasol, Odom, Artest, and Fisher as well. Bynum is the only one who they know is going to get the ball and go up strong in the post every time. He’s shown to be their most aggressive post player. Shooting more jump shots, no matter how good Curry is at them, would limit the Lakers as an offensive team.

Curry does have more ability than Derek Fisher, and skills-wise, he would be an upgrade there, but Fisher’s importance to the Lakers isn’t always seen in the stats. He and Kobe keep each other focused, and they’re always the ones trying to make sure teammates are doing their jobs. Curry isn’t going to bring that to the Lakers. He also isn’t any better defensively. You can argue all you want on that, but even most Warrior fans recognize how much work he needs to put in on that side of the ball.

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by Brownie13 on May 3, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, here's the interesting thing:

How do the Lakers keep their championship window open?

I think their real advantage over everyone else is that they have three top big men. You and I will disagree about this, I’m sure, but at this point I really don’t think Kobe is a major advantage for them compared to their top competition – and that’s a problem which will only get worse.

If I was the Lakers, my approach to keeping the championship window open would be twofold:

First, make a run at Dwight Howard, using the advantages they have by virtue of their reputation and location.

Second, acquire a perimeter player who works well on or off the ball to complement their big men and take some of the outside scoring load off of Kobe, so they can reduce his load and try to squeeze a few more years of above-average production out of him.

Imagine they swapped Pau for Dwight. Dwight is more versatile and much better defensively – he basically plays the roll both Bynum and Gasol are playing now.

Then Bynum becomes a lot less necessary. Swapping him for Curry is still a risk, but rather than having three quality big men, they’ll only have two, but the two they have include the best center in the league by a mile – so they’re trading depth for quality. Curry is a great complement to Howard, and his outside game gives them what they need to ease Kobe’s minutes down.

I think that team is more dangerous than the same team without the Curry-for-Bynum swap, even if you think Bynum is, in abstract, a more valuable player. If you have Dwight Howard and Lamar Odom, you don’t really need Bynum and you’re not getting the maximum value out of him. Whereas, when your backcourt is an aging Kobe and who knows – Fisher is probably retiring this year – Curry is a player you can get a ton of value out of.

Without acquiring Howard, I think the trade makes less sense.

by Ronaldinho on May 3, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dwight's post up game is kind of limited.

As far as rebounding and defense, yeah, he replaces a little over half of what they two would bring, but the Lakers like to operate out the post, rather than pick and rolls. Dwight is still more of an athlete/pick and roll player than a post up one. He’s also not the passer that either Bynum or Gasol are.

Would u really swap 2 big men out for 1 and say you broke even there? Not really.

And I’m not one to trust the opinion of somebody who thinks Kobe isn’t an advantage lol

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dwight’s post up game is beastly. He’s not the passer that Gasol is (I personally don’t view Bynum as a good passer at all), and his post up game may not be the most skilled (but if you haven’t been watching him this year, he’s added a jumper, and his baby hook/running hook is money), but to claim he’s not an effective post up player is ridiculous.

by Missing Barry on May 4, 2011 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Let’s put it this way – Shaq didn’t have the most refined post up game, either, and he’s the most dominant post player of at least the last two decades, and was a dominant force for that triangle. Howard isn’t at Shaq’s level, but he’s still one of the most dominant post players in the game.

by Missing Barry on May 4, 2011 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shaq's post game as a Laker

was still miles ahead of Dwight’s. He could pass in the post, he could use his body to work within a foot of the rim and just turn around and drop it in. His drop step could go in either direction. Shaq wasn’t as athletic, but his bullish ways gave him a lot more options scoring wise in the post.

Dwight gets a lot of points out of the pick and roll, and seemingly was forced to do so even more in the playoffs. That lead to the Magic losing the series.

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Three things

1) Howard is still a volume post scorer on high volume. More than Pau, Bynum or Gasol. He has shown a recent mentality to score when he needs to, or not if his team doesn’t need him to. That’s the biggest problem with Lakers bigs. Talent wise they should have 3 of top 5 bigs (let’s be honest, Odom might be most talented of them all). But they are all passive or inconsistent.

2) Howard is a physical freak. How many centers can play 48 minutes? Average 38 minutes per game and average 81 games per season. This is so understated. Shaq averaged 66 games a year as a laker. Bynum averages around 50. etc. etc. Bynum on his game or full potential kind of makes Howard needless, but you can’t overlook injuries or lack of for dwight

3) Atlanta had an interesting tactic. Guard Dwight one on one. Let him get his. And stop everyone else. It worked. But he certainly wasn’t at fault for loss. 30 points, 16 rebounds a game. TS% of .677

That said, if you can work a bynum for howard sign and tradei n 2012, i think you make it. But right now, I’d be looking to get ANYTHING for Pau. The Lakers need a second scorer who they can count on (regardless of position). Trade Pau for a back up big who gives solid D and a legitimate consistent scoring option. Besides it’s overlooked but Lakers best lineup defensively is Odom/Bynum. I saw a good fanpost on silver screen and roll making case for Carmelo for Pau (not bynum) and sited a lot of rebounding defensive figures.

Would you trade Pau for Felton, Gallinari and Birdman?

by tafkasam on May 5, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course, the thing nobody is willing to say and the Lakers certainly aren’t willing to do is to trade Bynum and Kobe for Dwight…..

by Missing Barry on May 5, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

ew.

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by Brownie13 on May 5, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm seriously curious how you could be opposed to that.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 5, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Howard and Pau would be monsters together. Kobe’s old.

by Missing Barry on May 5, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

True.

But, put it this way:

If they weren’t afraid of him leaving for nothing, Orlando would never trade Howard for Bynum and Kobe, either.

Teams tend to over-value their own players. In some cases, like Kobe, it’s justified because that player has been the face of the franchise. It would be almost impossible for the Lakers to trade Kobe for reasons that have nothing to do with putting the best basketball team on the floor.

by Ronaldinho on May 5, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Howard isn’t at Shaq’s level, but he’s still one of the most dominant post players in the game.

by Missing Barry on May 5, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't say not effective.

Said limited. There’s a big difference. Part of the difference is in the playoffs, you can’t win by just doing the same thing over and over.

Also my bigger issue was they would be swapping 1 big man for 2.

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

How is Dwight's post game limited?

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 4, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've explained enough.

Read what I’ve said.

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's certainly not Hakeem or Ewing, Robinson, Shaq

But it’s undeniably effective. And no one considers the fact we are in an era where there is biggest center drought I can remember.

So Howard’s value is even higher because there are just no good centers

by tafkasam on May 5, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

bynum isa good center...

and he fits the triangle better.

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by Brownie13 on May 5, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

He looked pretty crappy last game, actually.

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by Naticus on May 5, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t agree with that at all. Bynum is a lot like Howard – but worse.

by Missing Barry on May 5, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

not really.

bynum has a better post game.

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by Brownie13 on May 6, 2011 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

No.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 6, 2011 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, the “limited” part of his post game sure didn’t slow down Dwight’s individual playoff performance. Of course, his teammates sucked, but we already knew that.

by Missing Barry on May 5, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

5.5 turnovers?

from trying to force for better position. he was undeniably the best player on that team by far, but he struggles to score when he can’t get inside position. he’s not great at posting someone up and scoring OVER them.

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by Brownie13 on May 5, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s still legitimately good at it, however.

by Missing Barry on May 5, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

ehhhhh

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by Brownie13 on May 6, 2011 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha, well no point in continuing the conversation further. Clearly we’ve come to a place where we simply have different opinions that aren’t going to change.

by Missing Barry on May 6, 2011 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would u really swap 2 big men out for 1 and say you broke even there? Not really.

Depends which two big men you’re talking about, and which one.

Howard is a great all-around player.

And, of course, it’s also a backcourt improvement. You can’t ignore that.

And I’m not one to trust the opinion of somebody who thinks Kobe isn’t an advantage lol

Work on those reading comprehension skills there, buddy. That’s not what I wrote.

by Ronaldinho on May 4, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

“Kobe isn’t a major advantage against the elite teams.”

He’s their best player. Nobody is a bigger advantage on that team.

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 4, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really trying to convince me Gasol is their best player again?

I mean, even the stats won’t agree with you for this post-season. Do you really want to go there?

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well i’ve made my argument countless times. Knowing your two favorite players in the NBA are Kobe and Monta, it’s been impossible to suggest those two aren’t the best players on their team. But even if we are to say Kobe is their best player, it’s not by a lot, and he’s definitely not the reason for their success. As Ronald points out, having Gasol, Bynum, and Odom is something no other team in the league can counter.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 4, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's actually not true.

They aren’t my two favorite. But you can believe that if you want.

As far as the big man advantage, that’s what I’ve been trying to say. Why would they give that up for Curry. We all know bigs, especially centers, are so much more rare than good guards.

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

You've stated it a few times.

You’ve had pictures of Kobe as your profile pic like twice then you changed it to include both Monta and Kobe. Maybe i’m assuming, but is that just a coincidence?

Anyways, the point is, Curry’s value is very high around the league. I’d say his value is around the level of Bynums. Not to the Lakers probably but in general around the league it is, yes. Bynum’s their only piece in which they can get Dwight.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 4, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've actually never stated on here that they were my two favorite players lol

Don’t know where you got that from.

I don’t know that it’s even around the league either. But certainly, as my point has been all along, Bynum’s value to the Lakers is much higher than Curry’s value to the Lakers. Which is why they woudn’t make that trade.

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you about the Lakers valuing of Curry.

I do disagree with his valuing around the league.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 4, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll cross out which names they wouldn't trade him for.
Rose, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Rondo, or Westbrook? Nope.
Other PGs that couldn’t be had: Wall, Tony Parker
Borderline PGs: Nash, Billups, Holiday, Lawson

Kobe, Wade, Manu, Joe Johnson, Eric Gordon Nope.
Borderline: Kevin Martin, Ray Allen, Monta Ellis (assuming we’re just debating value and ignoring them being on the same team), Matthews, Tyreke

Durant, LeBron, Pierce, Carmelo, Iguodala? Nope.
Other SFs: Gay
Borderline: Granger, Deng, Artest, Beasley

Pau Gasol, Aldridge, Stoudemire, Zach Randolph, Garnett? Nope.
Other PFs: Boozer, Love, Bosh, Griffin, Duncan
Borderline: Josh Smith, David West, Odom

Dwight, Bynum, Bogut, Noah, Horford? Nope.
Other Cs: Perkins, Cousins
Borderline: Lopez, Marc Gasol,
Bargnani

I think you are being ridiculous with the rest. I agree with the ones i’ve crossed out.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 5, 2011 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

You think Phili would trade Holiday for curry? They wouldn’t, they value his defensive potential. Same can be said for Lawson (but I do believe Denver would do it)

I also doubt you long list of centers too. But thats more cause centers=harder to find and fit (why would chicago or okc trade Noah or Perkins for Curry?

by tafkasam on May 5, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Philly would.

Jrue’s not very good.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 5, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow...

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by Brownie13 on May 5, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Saying someone is not a major advantage is not the same thing as saying that someone is not an advantage.

Actually, however, if you look at most of the Laker’s title competition this year – most of them appear to have a wing scorer who is as good, if not better, than Kobe:

Durant, Wade, Pierce, Dirk. The only title contender where Kobe is unambiguously better than their best wing scorer is Chicago, and I guess Memphis if you consider them a contender. (I still don’t consider Atl a contender, btw).

THe Lakers advantage over the Heat, Celts, Boston, and Dallas is their INSIDE power: the combo of Gasol, Odom, and Bynum is simply better – by a large margin – than the interior presence on any other contender.

It’s very strange to me how so many Laker fans think that this current dynasty is allabout Kobe. It’s not. It’s about the fact that they’re a dominant inside team.

by Ronaldinho on May 5, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I never said it's all about Kobe lol.

Coming back in this series is actually every bit about inside play, mostly on the part of Gasol.

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by Brownie13 on May 5, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I agree, the players inside are a huge advantage when they're playing well.

But without Kobe, that advantage wouldn’t matter. He’s the best player, the guy who creates 1-on-1 scoring chances for them just by being on the court.

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by Brownie13 on May 5, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, we may disagree about the definition of best player.

But in any event, it gets to my point.

I said that Kobe wasn’t a major advantage for them in these playoffs, and I stand by that. He may be their “best player” but they don’t win because of their best player. They win because of their inside dominance.

As they showed in game 7 last year, they win not because they have a player who can create his own shots, but because they can stifle people defensively, gobble every rebound, and pound the ball down low. If anything, Kobe’s insistence on “creating his own shot” in that game almost cost them the title.

Whether or not he’s their best player, there are several other players in these playoffs who the Lakers would improve by trading Kobe for straight up, who play a similar role in their team’s offense. Durant, Wade, LeBron, etc.* Unless you think Gasol’s disappearing act these last two games is the start of a larger trend, I don’t see any team left who the Lakers would swap big men with. (If you do, then maybe Memphis). Chicago and OKC’s big men don’t have the offense. Nobody else has the defense.

That’s how I get to my claim that Kobe isn’t a major advantage for them.

*Just to be clear, this is improvement based on a having a season to get everybody used to the new guy.

by Ronaldinho on May 5, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kobe outrebounded Garnett and Rasheed Wallace combined in game 7

If Garnett showed up on the glass Boston might have won.

And as much as Kobe had a horrendous shot, your post is a classic case of ‘box score scouting’ and not watching. The lakers ALL deferred to him. Did Odom want to take a shot? No. Did bynum or Gasol? Not really, they got it in post and passed back out to Kobe REPEATEDLY. And this was a pretty aggressive game for Pau. He still passed out way too much. Kobe is only one with any balls on that team to take a big shot. Well and Artest, but RonRon is more crazy and ballsy. also when his shot wasn’t falling, Kobe got himself to line as much as he could.

Yeah you can claim it doesn’t matter but you’re wrong. That’s the difference between the likes of Kobe, Lebron, Rose and Odom/Gasol (who legitimately have talent to be elite). One group looks for the moment and tries to seize it. The other doesn’t.

by tafkasam on May 6, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

I watched the game – please lay off that “people talking about stats don’t watch.”

Kobe was horrible. He was forcing shots. He was god-awful offensively.

He contributed in other ways, true – but that wasn’t the subject under discussion. I wasn’t arguing that Kobe didn’t help his team. I said: “Kobe’s insistence on creating his own shot almost cost them the title.”

If he had worked to get his teammates shots, they would have made more of them. And no, I simply don’t agree that everyone else on that team shied from the moment. And yes, I watched the game.

by Ronaldinho on May 6, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Apologies

I almost immediately regret hitting ‘send’ and wanted to edit that out. I wish we had that option, oh well.

Kobe was poor shooting, no doubt. But he did look to get others involved.

Let’s not forget Pau/Odom/Bynum were a combine 10-29 also. RonRon’s 7-18 or Fishers 4-6 were the best shooting displays (eesh)

All and all the team was horrendous offensively. They won on the glass. Particularly offensive glass which was largely Kobe/Pau

by tafkasam on May 6, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think a big issue for Lakers is lack of 3 point shooting though

Kobe can kick out and there bigs (odomand pau) are best passing big man combo in league. But it’s worthless when no one can hit from deep.

Just saying instead of Barnes they should have considered Korver, Morrow or heck even Dorell.

Then again Steve Blake has been a career 40% 3 point shooter and he’s slumping

by tafkasam on May 6, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

one of the lakers' biggest issues right now

is kobe practically living on the perimeter right now. look at his shot chart in this series. of his 49 fga, 48 were jump shots (the last being the missed open layup to start the 2nd half of game 2), and of those 48 jump shots, only 5 or 6 were inside the key. he sees kidd guarding him and thinks he should just shoot over him rather than trying to get to the rim and drawing defenders away from his teammates.

by bigkino217 on May 6, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I made a fanpost on the laker website about that.

and of course none of the Laker fans think its an issue.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 6, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

can you link it?

To be fair, it hasn’t been last two titles. But if Gasol and Odom are going to continue to do there best David Lee impressions, it might be

by tafkasam on May 6, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2011/5/5/2156632/a-lack-of-penetratation-the-kobe-bryant-story

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 6, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

it isn't.

since the mavs packed the paint. with 2 lakers and 3 mavs in there on a drive, there’s no where to go most of the time. he did his job by basically making a 50% clip on his jumpshots

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by Brownie13 on May 8, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trying to win on jumpshots alone is generally a bad strategy. Even if the Mavs general defensive strategy is to collapse/pack the paint, you still have to at least drive and dish.

by Missing Barry on May 8, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Considering Kobe’s ankle is screwed up, his balance will be different and his movement impaired. He’s not going to be shooting particularly well this series and simply wouldn’t be able to heal in time, even if he sat out the first three games.

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by Naticus on May 6, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dwights post game is certainly not Hakeem or even Ewing

But he’s proven to be able to score 20+ consistently on high efficiency

by tafkasam on May 4, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not about how many points.

It’s how. The Lakers bigs don’t really run the pick and roll because they use the triangle offense. Dwight would be a completely different player in that offense. He isn’t a player that can rely on the post game to get points. He needs to be able to move around and use his athleticism.

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

How is that bad exactly?

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 4, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because it won't fit in the triangle as well.

That’s the issue.

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really think you can adjust your offense to Dwight though.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 4, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can.

But who knows how much of an adjustment needs to be made? THey might need a complete revamp of personnel…is it worth it?

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by Brownie13 on May 4, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

They would change their offense to accomodate him.

Dwight is probably better than any single player on the Lakers right now.

I’m not sure he’s a dominant low-post force … but I’m also not sure it matters. He keeps them in title contention for the next seven years. You tweak your offense for that.

by Ronaldinho on May 5, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

He isn’t a player that can rely on the post game to get points

Yes, he is. This is exactly what I was objecting to earlier. I find it absurd. Dwight consistently scores on the post.

by Missing Barry on May 5, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now here’s a discussion that Synergy stats would be perfect for. Anyone with an account want to bust out some Howard on post up situations stats?

by Missing Barry on May 5, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you say so.

I notice way more of his points coming off rolling to the basket than for either of the Laker bigs. His over-the-top post game is just bad. He has to have the better position to score.

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by Brownie13 on May 5, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, as you mentioned earlier, the Lakers don’t run pick and rolls. Of course they don’t get as many points that way. However, just because Howard runs it and is good at it, does not mean he’s not a capable post scorer.

by Missing Barry on May 5, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's much more effective that way than on the block.

that’s the difference. clearing out and letting him work isn’t how he’s most effective.

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by Brownie13 on May 8, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably true, but my point is he’s still a legitimately good post player – not the best in basketball, but up there. What I find odd is I think all of your criticisms of Dwight apply to Bynum, too, but you seem to really like his fit in the triangle. Bynum’s a guy who relies on positioning for a lot of his post game, too, but the Lakers actually do a pretty good job at times letting him exploit that (though there are times where he just doesn’t get as many touches as he should).

by Missing Barry on May 8, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry does have more ability than Derek Fisher, and skills-wise, he would be an upgrade there, but Fisher’s importance to the Lakers isn’t always seen in the stats

Fisher is aging, too. I’m largely basing my assertion that they should consider this on the premise that they’re smart enough to think long-term as well as short-term. If they think long term at all, Curry looks like someone they really, really want.

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by Naticus on May 4, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do ya’ think you need Dwight or CP3 to get the injury-prone Bynum? Please. Curry, as I said, is one of the most coveted players in the NBA. That’s just a fact. Look at his numbers, man. Look at his contract. The guy is only entering his 3rd year. Not rocket science.

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by Naticus on Apr 29, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Except that Curry plays no defense

Teams are interested in him. But he is not one of the most coveted players in the league. Not when he plays no defense.

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by doubleteapot on Apr 29, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

He plays decent defense, actually. Good enough to not hurt a strong defensive team to any significant margin. His offense more than makes up for it. Plus, he’s young enough that teams will be inclined to believe his defense will improve. I suspect teams don’t make a lot of inquiries about him, because they would have to give up a lot to get him, and they know it.

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by Naticus on Apr 29, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vlad for Odom!

Nah. We need vlad’s 3 ball

by tafkasam on Apr 29, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

What's the point of getting Bynum when your assuming the following line-up will be in the league:

Curry
Kobe
Artest
Gasol
Howard

Now I know it’s a lot to assume they get Howard, but by trading Bynum (and presumably some other big contracts) they would have a pretty good shot.

For the sake of this post and conversation, that line-up above will dominate the league and almost certainly win every championship they contend for. Add into that they could replace Gasol with Griffin and every season becomes even more a foregone conclusion. Given what the poster is presuming will happen, it would be a bad trade because at the end of the day we want to win a championship. Every team in the league should be trying to keep Howard out of LA.

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by dont_stop_believin' on Apr 28, 2011 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I hear the Lakers are going to sign Chris Paul, Dwight Howard and Blake Griffin. But the thing with Bynum is they need him to trade for a package of Wade + Lebron. They might have to throw in a 2nd rounder to make it fair. What were we talking about again?

by Missing Barry on Apr 28, 2011 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

don't forget

that MJ announced he’s coming out of retirement to play with Kobe so that he always has one more ring than Bryant

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by bradyk2 on Apr 28, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

They don't want Lebron

Not good enough. It’s durant they are sending a second for. He’s starting to develop a little hollywood swag:

by tafkasam on Apr 29, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 28, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The clippers better start winning if they want Blake to stay around, same goes for the warriors if they want Steph around.

by GSkush on Apr 29, 2011 12:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nah

Tha’ts one of the few profane expressions GSoM won’t ban you for ;)

by tafkasam on Apr 29, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

On the BGriff note

Friend saw Blake Wednesday at the IAmDonald show. Apparently Gambino threw out a shout out to him and whole place went crazy when they saw him in crowd. He really is most popular person in LA behind Kobe.

  Not surprising he mentioned Blake in a couple raps/freestyles. Though kinda insulting, to clippers lol:
Put your team on the map, Blake Griffin on the court
Here is the song

Went to show in sf last night, recommended.

by tafkasam on Apr 29, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

You all are so gullible. This post is clearly a practical joke.

With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".

by KillaContract on Apr 28, 2011 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

i feel some of you guys are thinking that league wide, Curry is more valuable then Bynum… which is just insane.

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by 4Ever Golden on Apr 29, 2011 1:37 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think for a lot of teams, he is. He’s younger, less injury prone, has a much better contract and looks like a future all-star. Bynum has never been an all-star himself. I will grant that if Bynum were not injury prone, he would be a really big deal. But he is, so he’s not that highly coveted. In all of his time with the Lakers, I haven’t seen him as a big help in the playoffs until this year. There’s a reason for that.

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by Naticus on Apr 29, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what league GM’s think of each of them, but I will just say if anyone does value Curry more, it’s because of injury concerns with Bynum, which I think are a pretty legitimate concern.

by Missing Barry on Apr 30, 2011 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Curry did just win the sportsmanship award. His stock is rising. Fast.

by WestCoastWarrior on May 11, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, and it’s an interesting contrast between Curry winning that award and the last time we saw Bynum on a basketball court….

by Missing Barry on May 11, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

This might be a trade that makes us a better team

but the prospect of watching Curry on the Lakers makes me uneasy.

by brutusbrutus on Apr 30, 2011 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Plus, Bynum is likely to become more injury prone, not less so.

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by Naticus on Apr 30, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

TCG+THE FLAMETHROWER

For 37 cents and a sausage egg McMuffin.

Any takers?

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on May 1, 2011 10:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Throw in a turducken

And maybe a snausage for my dog and I will agree

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by dubzfan on May 6, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will include

a Beggin’ Strip and an instruction manual for the operational use of a reclining loveseat i bought at Levit’s 7 years ago.

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One day about a year ago, I called my GF after work, I was going to give her "the bizness". I got to her house and I told her I was going to give her my "Weapon of Mass Destruction". We did it. I finished i under a minute. After that, she said it was more like a "Debacle of Mass Eruption". Yes. It IS pathetic.

by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on May 6, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

curry not the golden child anymore?

I find it interesting that at the end of curry’s rookie season, everyone said that they wouldn’t trade curry for anyone, besides a few exceptions. Now it seems like curry has fallen out of favor with the fans and doesn’t seem like he’s “untouchable” anymore. I remember when lacob said that he would consider trading anyone right after he bought the team and everyone on this site was going crazy saying that they needed to keep curry.

by samgyupsal on May 2, 2011 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

FWIW, I still wouldn’t trade Curry for anyone, with a few exceptions. Maybe 15-20 players total? Andrew Bynum, provided he checked out physically, is on that list.

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by Sleepy Freud on May 2, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

With the way Bynum is playing, maybe they’ll give him to us for Monta.

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by Naticus on May 8, 2011 1:16 PM PDT reply actions  

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3vl9xfb

We might show them the video of Ekpe swatting Dirk’s fade away jumper to sell them on this.

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by Naticus on May 8, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

since this happened before the foul...

what exactly are you talking about? he’s been the Lakers’ 2nd best player in this series, behind Kobe. he put up 21 and 10 in game 3 and 18 and 13 in game 2. He wasn’t very good today…but who on the Lakers was?

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by Brownie13 on May 8, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heck, before today I might have said Bynum was the best player for the Lakers in the series. He could have used more touches in the first 3 games. Made the most of them when he got em.

by Missing Barry on May 8, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of the weird things about the Lakers this year is how who their best player changed throughout the season.

For a while Gasol was on fire – but near the end of the season he really seemed to be struggling and was a total no-show in this series.

For a while Odom looked great, then he would disappear.

by Ronaldinho on May 8, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Game 1, he played terribly. Defensively, even in the games he played well offensively, he was way too lax on defense.

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by Naticus on May 9, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which Laker wasn't?

He was still better defensively than Odom or Pau.

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by Brownie13 on May 9, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Lakers D was downright pathetic for a pretty big portion of the series.

by Missing Barry on May 9, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bynum was a big part of the problem.

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by Naticus on May 9, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just thinking out loud

I skimmed this post, and Im sure this has been suggested but I didnt see it, but how about a base trade of :
Monta and Biedrins
for
Bynum and Brown + filler contract

If they want to dump Bynum, and Brown may walk next year anyway to get his payday, they get instant offense off the bench with an increasing role as Kobe declines, and a legit rebounding center who’s problems will go away once he is away from his dysfunctional organization ;).

by WestCoastWarrior on May 10, 2011 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Hard to see why the Lakers do it.

They don’t want Biedrins, so it’s about Monta, but how to Monta and Kobe coexist?

They don’t want to “dump” Bynum. Rather, it’s a function of the possibility that he’s their most tradable asset.

by Ronaldinho on May 10, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know - long shot, and Im sure there are plenty of holes in this one
They don’t want Biedrins, so it’s about Monta, but how to Monta and Kobe coexist?

Hope they are arrogant enough to think it’s our organization’s fault for Biedrin’s decline (it’s statistically rare for a player to decline like this), and they can get him back on track as a top 10 rebounder, at a cheaper price. Monta could come off the bench at 1 or 2, seeing more and more playing time as Kobe and Fisher need more and more rest time with age.

They don’t want to "dump" Bynum. Rather, it’s a function of the possibility that he’s their most tradable asset.

I was under the impression that things were not so rosey between Bynum and LA.

by WestCoastWarrior on May 10, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brown isn't any good though...

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by don't leave Morrow! on May 10, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Laker trade

Monta+lee

for

Bynum+Walton+Blake+1st

Checks out on ESPN trade checkers. Lee and Gasol is pretty soft for LA standards but this is a solid trade for LA because when Dwight Howard looks at the team he sees Ellis as a young scoring guard to be paired with him for the next decade when kobe does eventually retire (I mean at this point what else is really there to tempt him?). lee is a known rebounder and has an outside shot to clear the lane for howard, I’ve kind of thought they would play well together for a while, crappy Bosh really. And kobe and ellis can definetly coexist, ellis is 6th man for the last few years of kobe and stays in as a pg in crunch time over the aging fisher. Bynum is a great player to pair up with the build around Curry movement. Somehow swap Biedrins for Iguodala (6ers might bite for center depth and payroll relief) and start Udoh at PF and draft for depth with our pick and LA’s.

Curry/Blake
Iguodala/Williams
Wright/Walton
Udoh/Pick/Amundson
Bynum/Udoh

I’m all for building similarly to OKC, big defensive oriented boys down in the post with most of the scoring coming from the outside. Curry will be able to set up better than Westbrook too.

by Ivang101 on May 18, 2011 8:37 PM PDT reply actions  

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