"Golden State of Mind huh? I've been there a few times. (frankly) Just tone it down a bit." - Warriors co-owner Joe Lacob to Ray Almeda yesterday during the STH party at Oracle Arena.
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Gotta take my word for it. Wasn’t exactly happy when I mentioned I contribute to GSoM. Seems he isn’t very happy with our community. :-)
Golden State Warriors fan since 1984. The Filipino sensation!
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Good.
He doesn’t like criticism, and it’s exactly what he needs to hear. He can’t keep acting like he, Rowell, and Larry Riley are some basketball geniuses.
What did he do when you mentioned it?
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Riley is a very good GM.
Sometimes i really wonder if this is Larry Riley.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
You are an obvious PR Plant.
I suggest you tone it down before you get exposed. Flunkster gate, part 2.
Hahaha.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 10, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Criticizing a team for obvious mistakes doesn't make me a genius.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes but the source of your criticism
just told you (in a roundabout way) that you weren’t making an impact because your tone was too extreme. But I guess you take pride in that, even to the detriment of your cause.
If I were you, I’d realize that your constant barrage of criticism was degrading this site to further your selfish objectives. You and a few others use this site as your own personal dumping ground, and it’s gotten worse over the last couple years.
This is what I assume Lacob meant by his disapproval of GSOM.
by whoarethewarriors on Apr 9, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think the team likes criticism at all.
It doesn’t matter how it’s presented, they’re going to keep pushing what they do no matter what. That’s my take. I think if someone says “Keith Smart is a bad coach, and the Brandan Wright trade was bad” they wouldn’t listen. So when someone goes into depth on this issue, it angers them even more.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're overestimating the front office's obstinance.
I do agree with many of your criticisms of the team’s management and coaching, but at the same time, tactfulness is a necessity in persuasion. Mr. Lacob may not appreciate our collective insights due to perhaps a caustic “fire-and-brimstone” delivery.
by Fuu on Apr 9, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He's been the one making harsh comments.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Mr. Lacob may not appreciate our collective insights due to perhaps a caustic "fire-and-brimstone" delivery.
or maybe he don’t like to face the truth?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 13, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
What is more likely to result in a positive outcome? The guy who busts down the doors screaming at the top of his lungs, or the guy who thoughtfully presents his ideas?
There’s a reason Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern, and the Tea Party have become mere cartoons. They go so hard after shock value, try so intently to stir the pot, and attack anyone and everyone with differing opinions, that their own arguments have faded into the background, to the point where they’re just represented by the emotions associated with the reactions to what they have said.
by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 9, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
haha that is good stuff oh well some people on here can take it a bit to far which makes me even dislike the site but
i am not suprised as an owner he does not like the words.
He probably doesn't like us because of extremists like
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And your Keith Smart rants aren't a bit extreme?
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Not nearly as extreme as some things some other posters have done
It gets old but at least it’s not like he sound like he is raging
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
There's some good critism here on GSoM
There’s also a bunch of highly emotional rants and everything in between as well.
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
Lacob seems like the type that care’s how fans feel. I know for a fact he frequents these boards after he brung up what Danny Granger said about San Fran on twitter a few months ago. That was only talked about on here. With that said, I can see how he wouldnt like these posters. Most are negative just to be negative.
"Most are negative just to be negative."
That blanket statement simply exudes ignorance. Now, I’m not saying you are ignorant, but you are presenting yourself as such when you attempt to characterize constructive criticisms as mud-slinging intended to undermine or demoralize the fan base and front office.
The reason users post here is because they care for the success of the franchise and have a vested interest in seeing the Warriors win.
Negativity for the sake of negativity? Please don’t flippantly dismiss the opinions of users as such, no matter how pessimistic or hypercritical they sound.
by Fuu on Apr 9, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Most are negative just to be negative
or negative to create a positive. Either way is better than just sitting there and watching the farce unfold.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 13, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He should stop paying attention
Fans, myself included, are probably some of the most irrational people around, and irrationality is not something we want infecting the team. We have our opinions here, and that’s great, we’re free to express them. Whatever plan, and we don’t know what that is, Lacob and management has laid out needs to be stuck to. They need to stay the course instead of reading anything and everything a journalist, blogger, or fan might have to say and taking it to heart. I like ownership being open and transparent to the fan base, but I think they’ve gone a little too far in this regard.
Well they need to realize some of the things they are doing aren't good.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
They haven’t really done much of anything yet. Once they start, then we can really see.
by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 9, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
He's probably right
Funny though. I guess interpretation is all in the tone and body language which the quote doesn’t show.
My opinion of it with ‘just tone it down a bit’ is there’s good stuff there but also a lot of irrational stuff (like trading Monta and getting Afflalo would get us more wins, lol). So I won’t disagree.
lol
but also a lot of irrational stuff (like trading Monta and getting Afflalo would get us more wins, lol).
That’s not irrational at all.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Highly irrational, shows very understanind of bball and questions how much one's played
Afflalo is awesome, no doubt and I’d want him, but the loss of Monta is really understated. Go count how many games he’s been the catalyst to win when Curry has been poor. Losing one of our best offensive players doesn’t make us better, whether you think Curry or Monta is better, it doesn’t matter. The duo is best thing team has.
It has defensive deficiencies but unless we’re getting another impact offensive player at another position swapping one for a defensive player who shoots kick out shots doesn’t help us. It takes us backwards. I don’t expect you to get it, I was hoping you wouldn’t reply, but you did.
Your title is pretty much a joke.
No offense you sound like someone who’s not trying to look at the situation objectively.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I've played a lot of basketball, and even at high school level.
And the team was better when one dude with all the skills that took too many shots and played bad defense went down. Someone who wasn’t as talented but passed the ball better, took better shots, and put more effort into defense took his place and some. Look at the Grizzlies. Rudy Gay goes down and Battier and Tony Allen replace him. You don’t think they’ve improved with his injury? What about the Nuggets getting rid of Carmelo? What about us last year without Monta? How many no defense, chuckers really help their team that much? Not really any. You can replace them fairly easily, especially when you replace them with a good player like Affalo. Or Reggie.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I get what you're saying but your examples are so far off
Memphis lost Gay but look at offensive power they got. ZBo (hate him but he’s good), Marc Gasol, Mike Conley’s underrated, OJ Mayo (despiting being dissapointing can score). Do we have that? Nah
Denver has maybe 10 good players, no great ones but the Melo trade netted them 4 offensively quality players.
Like I said, and maybe you’re right I was a bit too attacking in my post, we can totally lose Monta or Curry, if we had more offensive players in other positions. Right now they are the ONLY two players who can create ANYTHING on there own. I don’t think you give that enough credit. Let me re-phrase I don’t think you give Riley enough credit for assembling a truly retarded roster with little skill. Yeah, if we got Gallinari and Chandler, by all means, Monta is expendable. But we don’t have them.
As for Reggie, stop going back to him. He’s proven nothing. I’m not impressed with high effency bench player who has never been double teamed and most of his offense is a function of both Curry and Monta drawing attention. He’s good at what he does, but you often overglorfy him.
We have good offensive players.
The more offense run through Curry and Reggie the better. If Monta ever left, those guys would be getting more touches.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
No, we really don't
For one Reggie doesn’t initiate near as good as Monta.
But back to your initial point- ehhhh, really? Go down Denver, Memphis, Houston’s rosters. Now tell me would anyone outside of our starting 4 (not counting our center) really log minutes in their rotations?
Now go look at there 8 or 9th men. Would those guys not get significant minutes on WarriorS?
We got a major lack of talent on this team period.
And Monta wouldn't get major minutes on any of those teams besides Memphis (because they're not a good organization either)
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That is false
Monta would log 30 minutes a game on everyone of those teams.
George Karl “here’s some great guards out there and yes, Monta Ellis has had a special season.”
Do I need to quote popovich, Phil jackson, Doc Rivers, and every other coach who says he’s special offensive player?
Do I need to quote Kobe, LeBron, and all others as well?
Do you realize, you could possibly be right and all these players and coaches might know just a little bit more than you?
Have you ever heard of the term "Politics"
Not that I agree or Disagree with any arguement here BUT it does get to me when someone takes a quote from somebody and say because they said something that, that solidifies what I’m saying. NO. In the media that is not the case. Because he’s scoring very high (and what does the media love PPG) they’re going to say he’s special. When you have a camera you’re going to take the political response about anything. Why do you think every team in the NBA says that when they go into a game against the Warriors they say “OH they can score out of this world and we just can’t be sloppy” when we ALL know they’re thinking “Yeah these guys suck easy W” It’s Politics don’t get hung up on what they say or truth be told Monta would have some trade value
All we need to do is win win win no matter what,
Got the Dubs on my mind I could never get enough,
and everytime they step into the building all the three pointers go UP,
And they STAY DERE AND THEY STAY DERE
Monta has low trade value cause he's overpaid
I have no problem admitting that. He’s probably not an $11 million player to cap conscious team
Same with David Lee.
If Curry got an extension at 11 mil per, his value would be lower at the moment. That’s just reality of the NBA.
Under the old CBA, teams would be happy to pay Curry $11m.
He’ll get less than thtat because the cap comes down, but if he keeps going the way he’s going, not a lot less.
It's not at all clear that Monta would play 30 min for Denver or Memphis.
If you actually look at what’s going on in Denver, you see that they’re thriving because they’re being incredibly unselfish and everybody has bought into the team concept. Nobody is dominating the ball – and everybody is playing better for it.
If I was Denver, I wouldn’t go near Monta with a 10-ft pole because I’d be worried about him upsetting that chemistry. But Affalo’s just a better player than Monta right now (defense counts – and have you seen his TS%? Good god). They’re not going to move him or JR SMith to the bench for Monta. Ty Lawson? Again – why does that team want a chucker?
Houston? Monta doesn’t get time on that team because you can’t run both him and Kevin Martin out there and Kevin Martin is better (uglier game, but better results – and you know Houston cares about stuff like efficiency). Offensively, Monta could take Chase Bundinger’s minutes … but defensively? Same with Courtney Lee – Monta could take his offensive minutes, but Lee plays more 3 than 2, and Monta just can’t do that.
Memphis, I’ll give you.
Honestly, I think you’re overstating what these guys say. They say nice things in public – but you watch how coaches game-plan against him and it doesn’t look like they’re particularly concerned about him.
I think with every team, nearly every year, you could find opposing coaches and players who say nice things abotu their leading scorer – no matter who it is and how he plays.
Do I need to
read up on the politics of bullshit? Yeah you do.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 13, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not really sure the evidence necessarily agrees, especially since, on average, he doesn’t seem to actually improve our offense. I’d be more inclined to agree if there was some evidence our offense struggles without him, but alas, it does not.
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Sample size?
I mean how much do we even play without Monta, lol.
I’m just saying, if Monta is dumped, we are looking at a team where basically Curry is only player able to create his own shot. Our only other option is run offense thru DLee in the post, which is cool if we had players who are threats to slash (we don’t really) and without the shooting threat of Dorell and Curry isn’t nearly as big.
Now the fact Monta has assist most 3 pointers in league, speaks to his impact on our offense. He’s not irreplaceable but we certainly don’t have another player to do what he does.
Let’s be honest, this roster is one of least athletic in NBA and basically a jump shooting team minus Monta, can’t get in lane consistently and do damage.
Well, Reggie’s shown to be a pretty solid offensive option. Lee can definitely help to create some shots. Dorell can do some stuff. Maybe none of them are #1 options, but they all will contribute. Losing Monta doesn’t necessarily mean one player has to step into his role. His shots can be divided among multiple players, and I believe that’s generally what happens when Monta is on the bench. Last year in the 1300 minutes he didn’t play our offense 7.5 points better than when he was playing. That’s huge! This year, he only hasn’t played 615 minutes, but the offense is basically the same with him on or off (+.8 with him on). It might not be statistically significant, I can recognize that, but it’s definitely not suggesting we struggle to replace what he does when he’s not on the court. The sample size isn’t optimal, but it’s not exactly tiny. And yeah, we might be an extremely jumpshooting heavy team without him, but the thing is…..we’re really, really freaking good at shooting jumpshots. Curry is an elite shooter, Reggie is very good, Vlad is good, David Lee has a very nice midrange jumper, Dorell is a good shooter….we can do some things, and we really do appear to do these things when Monta sits.
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
(And keep in mind here we’re talking strictly offense, even if Monta has a somewhat positive impact on our offense, adding a piece like Afflalo would make a big difference on the defensive end, and pretty much any adjusted or unadjusted +/- number you can find over whatever sample you want heavily suggests this.)
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Affalo is a good offensive player in his own right.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
See I just don't agree
How are we creating all those shots on a consistent basis? Dorell, Reggie are certainly great jump shooters, but only Curry is a consistent threat to make a jumper on his own. Most NBA defenses can lock down jump shooters pretty well, unless there’s a threat to the hoop which will turn the defense inside out. Be it a low poster player, a slasher or whatever. Don’t buy it?
Look at Pheonix without Amare. And they got a PG who is FAR superior to any player we got. Amare’s ability to finish at rim commanded attention and allow players like Frye etc. to consistently get open looks. Even with Nash (possibly best passer in NBA, certainly top few) they are not near the same level. And they improved there defense.
I don’t agree Reggie is merely a jump shooter. Reggie is a very solid scorer. Dorell can also do more than simply shoot jumpers.
Again, to me it keeps coming back to the evidence. Everything we’re discussing is theory, and the next step is to see how that theory matches to reality….and, well, we really haven’t struggled without Monta on the court. Take Derrick Rose off the Bulls and I think reality matches your theory. Their offense gets 10! points worse when Rose isn’t playing this year. Last year it was over 4 (and it’s worth noting Rose is a better player this year than last year). I think adjusted +/- supports the offense struggling without him, too. So in that case it seems like reality supports your theory. In the case of Monta, it’s the opposite.
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Reggie isn’t merely a jump shooter but neither are players I listed. But as good an offensive player as Reggie is, where would he rank on phoenix or denver, in the rotation?
My point is Reggie is being underutilized, but I don’t buy at all if Monta left, he could cover the gap and we’d have a better record. I also think Monta is over used, for the record.
Even with Nash (possibly best passer in NBA, certainly top few) they are not near the same level. And they improved there defense.
Actually they’re still a top-10 offense – and that’s after gutting their roster at the trade deadline, too. (I doubt they’ll finish top-10, but they were solidly into the top ten until they traded Richardson).
They also didn’t improve on defense. Well, I suppose they did – by .1 points per 100 possessions, if you want to be technical about it, compared to last year, but their defense is actually worse now than it was during the D’Antoni-Nash-Amare era.
You calling Reggie a jump shooter makes it seem like you haven’t actually watched him play much. Monta takes a higher percentage of his shots as long two-point jumpers: calculated from hoopdata.com
%shots at rim 16-23ft
Monta 26.1 32.5%
Reggie 22.5% 16.7%
Monta’s a little better at getting to the rim – a little better – but takes far more long-two jumpshots.
Yes but they 9th as opposed to first. That’s a huge difference considering they were never a good defensive team. Amare is the biggest difference. Because of Nash they will always be a very good offensive team, I can’t imagine Nash being a PG of a team not in top 10, he’s definition of offensive efficiency., but having Amare made them elite and a mid 50 win team as opposed to a near .500 team. Considering they replaced him with (theoretically) better defenders, it actually made them worse.
What point are you trying to make here? i’m a little lost
Of course Reggie is more than a ump shooter, he’s a flat out scorer. but he doesn’t create for others anywhere like Monta does. Losing Monta puts way too much on Curry, unless of course we got someone like Iguodala etc.
I’ve had no problem with idea reggie should play more, Monta less. I have no idea with trading Monta. But the idea that trading monta and not getting another quality offensive player who can initiate offense (be it a post player, a wing whatever) I strong disagree with. It’s simply too much pressure on Curry. He already turns it over way too much, in a lineup with Reggie, Dorell, DLee and whatever the heck is at center, he’ll turn it over way too much.
Also, he’ll be taken out of catch and shoot situations where he’s one of top players in NBA
If Monta was great at “creating for others”, wouldn’t we see better offense when he’s on the floor than when Reggie’s playing? The numbers don’t back up your statement.
by Uwe Blog on Apr 9, 2011 3:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Their defense is worse than last years.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
the problem with the sample size argument is twofold:
First of all, we’re actually coming up on a reasonable sample size here – 8 or so minutes a game, over the course of a season, of non-Monta is not nothing. Maybe not enough to make you super confident in his +/-, but it’s not like its non-existent, either.
(And you can’t say that it’s the scrub minutes that Monta isn’t playing, since one of the complaints about Smart’s handling on Monta is how he even seems to be on the floor in the closing minutes of blowouts).
However, there’s a larger point. If you actually look at Monta’s entire stat sheet, you see what adds up to a player who you wouldn’t expect to make you a lot better.
He’s a below-average efficiency player who takes a lot of shots early in the shot clock despite often being on the floor with higher-efficiency players. That’s behavior that you would expect to make your team offense worse, for example – and it’s something we lack confidence about because of sample size. He takes a lot of long two-point shots, the worst shot in basketball. Again, that’s something you would expect to hurt your team, even as it gussies up his PPG.
So you have to weigh any sample size questions you have about his +/- against what the rest of his game tells you: that Monta misses a lot of shots and turns the ball over a lot. That’s completely consistent with the fact that he doesn’t have a large positive impact on our team offense.
And “counting stats” which are inflated by the absurd number of minutes he plays don’t really argue against any of this. Monta has a lot of assists – of all kinds – for a two-guard, yes. Why? Simple: he dominates the ball and plays a ton of minutes.
I can’t guarantee this, but I bet Monta’s efficiency would be a lot better if he were playing around 30-35 minutes a game.
by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 9, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this claim fails the silly test.
Because it’s not like Monta has been a bad 4th-quarter player this year. If he was just playing too many minutes, wouldn’t you expect him to be a lot less effective in the 4th?
If you look at his splits, his games with the highest FG% are actually those in which he plays the most minutes. (I don’t think this says he gets better as he plays more minutes – I think the causation probably runs the other way – but it does argue against the notoin that he gets tired and becomes ineffective).
A while ago somebody posted quarter-by-quater breakdowns – I don’t know where they got the data – and Monta’s 4th quarters weren’t his worst. Again, not conclusive, but argues against the “he’d be much better if he played fewer minutes” hypothesis.
Ultimately, it comes down to the eyeball test: Monta is inefficient because he makes bad decisions with the ball: he drives into a set defense way too often, and he takes early-in-the-shot-clock long twos way too often. Those aren’t going to go away because he’s playing less minutes. (Are the long twos an attempt to conserve his legs? Doesn’t make sense because he’s not conserving energy compared to passing the ball).
If he fixes those problems, he’ll becomes an efficient scorer.
I suspect your belief here is like the oft-repeated (but shown to be false in a prior thread) claim that Monta has poor efficiency because he’s the one forced to take late-in-the-shot-clock shots. He’s not, it turns out.
No, Monta is inefficient because of the way he chooses to play the game. He clearly has the ability to be an efficient scorer – but it’s going to require somebody making him change his approach.
How about the cumulative affect of his large amount of minutes over the course of a season? I haven’t looked at the month by month stats, but Monta always seems so much better in the early season before tailing off towards the latter part of the season. That could be due in part to how many minutes he plays night in and night out.
And this is purely semantics, but my post above was hardly a “claim”, it was more of a ‘what if’ scenario. I wasn’t shouting “FACT” at the top of my lungs.
by Slightly Hyphy on Apr 9, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough ...
… I absolutely think Monta is wearing down, although his recent burst of good play argues against that.
It only makes sense that he would wear down.
But he had a bad stretch in November, and a bad stretch in December, too.
Losing one of our best offensive players doesn’t make us better, whether you think Curry or Monta is better, it doesn’t matter. The duo is best thing team has.
We’d not be losing Montay , We’d be gaining a bigger 2 guard. He’s not just going away for nothing. Study the basic physics of the matter then you’ll get it.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 13, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I might have suggested that.
However, I was merely thinking aloud…or typing aloud…whatever. I have a ton of respect for Afflalo’s game, primarily due to his lockdown defense, shooting, and work ethic. The NBA is a perimeter oriented game and if you don’t have guards that can defend you are at a huge disadvantage. I’m not saying they should sign Afflalo and trade Monta in the first deal that comes along, but if they can get a top quality big man in return, why not consider it? Afflalo and Curry would be a very good backcourt, and they would be closer to beefing up the frontcourt. It sounds like a much more balanced team to me. I’m not ranting that Lacob should make this trade and if he doesn’t he is a moron. I’m just throwing something out there for discussion. I realize 99.9% of these scenarios we toss around on here are never going to happen and are oftentimes unrealistic. I just don’t think you are going to go deep into the playoffs with a 6’2" shooting guard. Sure he might be able to get us into the playoffs and win us a few games, but I’m tired of settling for exciting, entertaining, sub-.500 basketball. It’s time to start building a real NBA contender.
I actually agree with him
This is a fan blog, some people here take it as a courtroom or congress. I came here to talk about the Warriors, not argue and to keep up with news. Lots of people here do take it too seriously.
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by dubzfan on Apr 9, 2011 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Just do your job, Lacob, and accomplish what you've promised. Then, we will tone it down.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Apr 9, 2011 1:54 PM PDT reply actions
Didn't he promise titles?
Just sayin’. You set expectations high, expect anger when you fail to reach them (also said we would make the playoffs this year, so yeah).
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
He said it was a goal
didn’t say it was guarenteed
All we need to do is win win win no matter what,
Got the Dubs on my mind I could never get enough,
and everytime they step into the building all the three pointers go UP,
And they STAY DERE AND THEY STAY DERE
Haha, I'm pretty sure every team has making the playoffs and winning championships as a goal.
by Fuu on Apr 9, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
True
But, I’m saying he said he would like to make the playoffs this year did not guarentee it. There was no reason we couldn’t have been in the playoff race this season (except for those games we could have won which Smart seemingly threw)
All we need to do is win win win no matter what,
Got the Dubs on my mind I could never get enough,
and everytime they step into the building all the three pointers go UP,
And they STAY DERE AND THEY STAY DERE
We'll get titles once we acquire more talent, make playoffs a bit
Then our players like attractive to trade and we can make a move for say dwight howard?
For this to happen, we need to stockpile talent by any means, play it and not overpay it. Monta or Lee on 4 to 8 mil are very attractive trade chips, at 11 and 13+ they aren’t.
Really, why did monta EVER get 11 mil a year, Mullin? He did have an excellent 07-08. He did deserve a raise from 800k, but I don’t ever recall anyone putting in an offer for him? I’m pretty sure 5 years/40 mil would have done it. Heck, I’m pretty sure even less would have.
Biedrins too. Awfully large contract considering he was restricted, had no other offers and hadn’t ever logged 30 minutes a game.
The promise I'm alluding to is playoffs next season. I don't recall him promising the playoffs this year.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Apr 9, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I recall him saying that he expected our current roster to make the playoffs.
He set the expectation. It may have been in response to a question about Smart, and/or what constitutes a successful season.
He said he expected the team to be over .500 by the all star break, and to get the 7 or 8 seed in the playoffs on the Gary Radnich show in the beginning of February. Then he screws up and then calls for time.
I’d happily give him time if he wasn’t promising championships and playoff appearances soon, and then putting out 35-40 win teams, with little flexibility.
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 9, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
putting out 35-40 win teams
Should be “team”. To be honest, there have been times this season where you’d think this team could be a .500 team. We’ve had stretches where we have put together several good performances vs good teams. Although we haven’t become a .500 team hasn’t, Lacob has put much more behind the assertion that we will make the playoffs next season (the guarantee to STH or whatever it was). He thought this team would be close to or above .500 by the all-star break, but he didn’t promise or guarantee it.
When he has talked about winning championships, he is showing that he is truly committed to building a team that will consistently compete for a championship every year. I have had my doubts about his shot calling too, but after less than one year under control, it’s not long enough to consider him a bad owner and whatnot.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Apr 9, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno.
Given how bad Smart has been, and how we’ve had players who’ve performed worse than reasonable expectations (Lee) and way worse than reasonable expectations (Biedrins) I still see nothing unreasonable about that expectation.
The issue shouldn’t be whether or not the team failed to meet reasonable expectations, at least as far as evaluating an owner is concerned. It should be how the owner responds to the failure to meet reasonable expectations.
Wow, if he thinks this place is extreme.
He must cringe reading warriorsworld or any other message board for that matter. This place seems chill compared to most places.
Fitz did say if he was starting a franchise he’d rather have Russell Westbrook than Monta or Curry. And that he voted Tyreke for ROTY
Just saying, beneath the blatant Warriors funded homerism, is a slightly intelligent guy
How did he vote Tyreke?
On the Warriors broadcasts he screams about how it was a sham Curry didn’t get it…
"Of course, these people couldn’t really have predicted...the joke of a mockery of a sham of a circus of Keith Smart’s nightly rotations. " - Sleepy Freud
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 10, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m starting to like Joe Lacob less and less.
He may want to stop criticizing his customers, especially when he sells us an inferior product.
I’ve been a fan since the mid 80’s, and many of the posters here have followed the team even longer. Throughout that time, the fans have EASILY been the best thing this franchise has had going for it. To come out multiple times and basically say that he doesn’t respect our opinions is very upsetting.
I think Lacob needs to tone it down. He’s not the only NBA owner who has achieved some business success, so what he’s financially achieved for himself means very little in comparison. He is coming off as elitist and arrogant. There’s lots of other teams that have the good sense to not publicly insult their customers, especially the ones selling inferior products.
If I were him, I’d be bigger on embracing my fans. Especially the ones who spend so much of their time, energy, and hard earned cash following this team.
I’ll be attending the Warriors-Nuggets game with my sons. Right now, I’m having second thoughts about buying my boys Warriors jerseys for the game. It’s hard enough to be a fan of this team without feeling disrespected by the man who has the most to gain from it.
That’s the third time this season that he’s taken a shot at Warriors fans. Hopefully, it’s the last.
by Uwe Blog on Apr 10, 2011 12:00 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Response
Lacob’s smile turned into a neutral facial expression when I mentioned GSoM. Got pictures coming soon
Golden State Warriors fan since 1984. The Filipino sensation!
The loudest Warrior fan in Section 208, Row DS, Seats 15-16.
Lacob’s smile turned into a neutral facial expression when I mentioned GSoM.
Haha, well that’s better than the facial expression of the GSofM site when we found out Ellison wasn’t our new owner?
Party'N Party'N , YEAH!! Party'N Party'N , YEAH!! Fun fun fun fun.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 13, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions



























