The Logo Coming To The Bay? Kawakami: Jerry West Hired To Advise Golden State Warriors
by Poor Man's Commish on May 20, 2011 12:39 AM PDT
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This is big. So big, forget the Fanshot, man. This deserves a full-on blogpost. Just about an hour and a half ago, Tim Kawakami tweeted that the Warriors had retained the services of one Jerry West.
There's only one Logo that's better than our logo, and he's coming to the Bay.
Raise your hand if you have a man-crush on Joe Lacob now. First Bob Myers, now this. Bravo. Finally! I mean, we actually have a legit shot at Dwight Howard now, right?
Here's the full report from Kawakami: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011/05/19/jerry-west-set-to-join-warriors-front-office-in-a-non-decision-making-role-according-to-multiple-nba-sources/
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4 Stars isn't good enough to describe this move.
5 stars. Easily. Brings in a great front-office guy and shows Lacob and Guber’s commitment to building a winning culture. Now let’s make the right move and get a good head coach.
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And trade Monta and Lee.
That will show they’re serious.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 20, 2011 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 20, 2011 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions
continue...
you don’t trade 2 of your 3 best players just because :/
give me a viable trade option
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Well, the fact that they are 2 of our 3 best players is a pretty big issue for us….
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions
But dumping them makes us worse
So even though it could be an issue at least their is something to work with
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Well, it gives us something to work with, but the question is: is it preventing us from acquiring the top talent we need to be competitive?
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
If one of them can be traded for something good no they don't
But what good would dumping really do? Help us overpay for another solid player who won’t change us?
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Well, it gives us something to work with, but the question is: is it preventing us from acquiring the top talent we need to be competitive?
It seems our team’s reputation, and inadequate front office was a much bigger factor in “preventing us from acquiring top talent.” Im happy our owner is taking real steps to fix this.
Bringing in West and Myers is way bigger news for today than the eventual fate of Monta, Curry, Lee, and Beans.
by WestCoastWarrior on May 20, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Its like saying you wanna start all over again
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Plus I dont trust ( yet) a 3rd year player who IMO cant play defense be the face of your franchise
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Ha, maybe a wise choice, but then again, what’s the alternative? A 7th year player who can’t play defense and hasn’t shown he has the decisionmaking necessary to be an effective #1 option?
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, i don't want to keep winning 35-45 games every year.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 20, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Please tell me who would we get in return for Monta and whoever else you think is not needed on the team?
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SF GIants Baseball 2011 = Torture Pt. 2
How about we keep the conversation on Jerry West?
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
We should all tell that to GovSC instead
by JustSomeName on May 20, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
GOVERNORSTEPHCURRY
KEEP IT RELATED TO JERRY WEST!! hows that?
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will probably have some input about trading Monta because Steph is better.
by Anonymous1337 on May 20, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
the fact that we couldnt get five comments down without bringing up a trade monta debate
is also a big issue
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on May 20, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
The logo Coming to the Bay?
Gee, What a surprise that you took the topic above, and turned it into the topic below.
And trade Monta and Lee.
by WestCoastWarrior on May 20, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, i know some of you guys may be homers and think they're very good players.
But they’re both not very good and extremely overpaid. We can’t really become a good team with both of them here.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 20, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
His whole point is that you spun some GREAT news into some comments that are not really relevant and negative
by JustSomeName on May 20, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
what else is new from that guuy?
by Togna Balogna on May 20, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously...
his name is governerstephcurry and hes always talking about trading monta. surprise, surprise…
by JustSomeName on May 20, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Or Lee or Biedrins...you know...the not very productive players with big contracts.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 20, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
But they’re both not very good and extremely overpaid. We can’t really become a good team with both of them here.
This is a tired conversation that this board has had thousands of times, and that you bring up hundreds of times. It is an important issue, I’ll give you that, but it has been examined to death.
For example, this is a topic about Jerry West, and while the FO and players are connected, you dont even mention West, you just start hating on Monta. That seems to be your same tired contribution to every discussion.
Dont worry GovSC, there will be plenty more times for you to bring this up.
by WestCoastWarrior on May 20, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
For example, this is a topic about Jerry West, and while the FO and players are connected, you dont even mention West, you just start hating on Monta. That seems to be your same tired contribution to every discussion.
THIS. Trollers gonna troll…
by JustSomeName on May 20, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But they’re both not very good and extremely overpaid. We can’t really become a good team with both of them here.
and lemons are more tart than oranges.
just because it’s true doesn’t make it relevant.
"probably get some stitches too! you have a good night! go warriors!" - david lee
GovSC...How does that realte to Jerry West coming though?
Can we just talk about and relax to some good news for once.
FAIL!
not saying it will happen, but if you get Howard to come to bay and retain ellis you have two perinnial all stars (20ppg+ each) easily and you are in the playoffs every year. Ellis is good, very very good. Put his name on the trade market and you will see the value he has.
Ah, interesting, the old “calling someone who has never been an all-star a perennial all-star” trick. Might not be honest, but at least it proves whatever point you want, right?!
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
re: 5 stars
I’m reserving judgement on this move.
Could be a huge, fundamental shift in culture…but until we actually start to see some benefits, this is all just PR and background noise
We still have the same (fairly crappy) roster that we had last year
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by Duby Dub Dubs on May 20, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
true.
But it’s good he’s around.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 20, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
That was Wallace, not West. And in hindsight, it seems like the right move now. Memphis is a good, young, well balanced team, while the Lakers are looking old and vulnerable.
by Uwe Blog on May 20, 2011 1:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
it was wallace, not west...
but to say “in hindsight, it seems like the right move now” is very shortsighted, imo. That trade gave the Lakers 2 ‘ships, and sent them to the finals 3 years straight. Remember, before that they lost to the Suns’ and people said Kobe “quit” on the Lakers in the last game….
Memphis made it far this year, but ultimately they fell in the 2nd round, same as the Lakers. While Marc played better this playoffs than his brother, Pau is still better. And Marc is a RFA this year, and will be getting overpaid no matter who signs him. Memphis may not be as good next year w/o Gasol.
In hindsight, that trade was even more lopsided than originally thought.
by dsham001 on May 20, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Comparing the Lakers success to the Grizzlies success isn’t particularly relevant. For the Grizzlies, it doesn’t matter if the trade lead to the Lakers winning championships or not. What matters is whether it was good for their franchise in the long term. They weren’t going anywhere with Pau (who was making quite a bit of money on the Grizzlies, so I think that easily cancels out Marc being overpaid, assuming he is), so they moved on in a new direction long term. It seems to have worked out somewhat well for them, but I think the biggest question mark (and the most relevant point) is whether they could have gotten something even better.
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Terrible
I hate the fact that people look at the current success of the Grizzle and think that the success justifies the trade. Look at what the they actually got. Kwame, the WORST player on the Lakers, who did have a large expiring contract. Crttendon who was a #32 pick, basically a second rounder. Marc Gasol, who at the time was a second round Euro that was still a year away from coming over. Pau Gasol was an already established All Star for the Grizzlies. The trade was made more than a month before the deadline so it’s not like it was a last second panic move. It’s not like Crittendon showed much promise back then, and his current biggest accomplishment is having a gun waived at him by Arenas. As for Marc Gasol, how many second round Euros that are stashed in Europe do well in the NBA? Anyone know the success rate on those? It’s not high at all, that’s for sure. So that essentially equates to two low potential second round picks and an expiring contract for an All Star.
Are you ready to trade Monta for Jermaine O’neal, Avery Bradley, and the equivalent of 2007 Kosta Perovic?
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on May 25, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Marc rocks, man. I’d take Marc over Pau right now, at least at C.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
Maybe West is here to help lubricate/facilitate the idea/movement of MG to the W's?
Speculation on my part.
by fuller over bryant on May 20, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
yes that trade helped the Lakers.
Of course it did. But it also helped Memphis become better than they could with Pau. They rebuilt, using the pieces acquired in the trade, the better draft picks, and the financial flexibilty.
The season before that trade, the Warriors made it FURTHER than the Lakers.
Warriors made it to the 2nd round while Lakers got eliminated in the first round. That’s how bad Lakers fans were feeling, the damn Warriors were better than them that year. Lol.
by Precise Films Productions on May 21, 2011 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions
what lakers fans?
from what i remember, they all became warriors fans that year
I just hope this isnt some Double Agent ploy to give Curry and Monta to the Lakers for like Luke Walton
Haha this is funny conspiracy theory. I believe you watch a lot of SALT like movie
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
It's actually just Curry for Walton. You still keep Monta :)
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by afrikabamboodle on May 21, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
If it's a ploy, then he just got Mike Brown to coach the Lakers instead of the Warriors.
That’s good news. I didn’t think Mike Brown was a fit here. Now he and Kobe can hash it out in Lakerland.
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THIS
One of the things we always complained about was that nobody ever wanted to come play here and the only way we could get someone here is to outbid ourselves and overpay them, now it seems like we’re getting a bit more credibility with this new front office with myers and now the logo himself, jerry west
by JustSomeName on May 20, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I am extremely pleased with this move.
I’ve been saying since the new ownership took over that we need a big name hire in our management, whether it be coach or front office. My main reasoning is that our reputation is so bad that other teams and free agents feel that they can fleece us every time we call.
This hiring just put our team back on the map. Very few executives command the same respect that Jerry West does, and his presence shows me that our ownership really DOES intend to return our beloved Warriors to respectability.
To me, this is Lacob’s first great move. The Myer hiring might be one too, but that’s speculation at this point. There’s no speculation with Jerry West. You don’t hire him if you don’t mean business.
My hat’s off to the ownership tonight.
by Uwe Blog on May 20, 2011 1:08 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I actually liked the Myers hire
If i remember correctly, i heard quotes of saying the hire was applauded from many people around the league. And Myers being a former agent and even working under Tellem, he definitely has several connections on both sides of the spectrum, from FO people to agents.
by JustSomeName on May 20, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I also liked that we went in a new direction with it. Shows some forward thinking on our part.
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
listen to myers interview I just posted in fanshot
I like his first line “When sitting with Joe I said this, Joe I can’t promise you anything, but I can promise you this, We HAVE to have more information. And I can promise you this, I can get you more information”
It’s nice to try to be ahead of the curve than perennially behind it.
That sounds like a chess move. Finally we may be no longer playing checkers.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Mark me as not enthused. I don’t see how this really affects the team in any way. This neither hurts us nor does it really push us in a positive direction. A PR move at best I think, just to raise fanfare and find some sort of half-assed justification for future moves, good or bad.
As great of a basketball mind Jerry West is, he’s only being brought in to serve as nothing more than a second opinion; a guy who’ll either sit there and agree with every one of the front offices’ moves, or have his suggestions vetoed when they clash with whatever direction the bigwigs envision. If they had any intention of actually putting West’s experience and cred to work they would have (should have?) given him more power with the decision making, or at least make him more than some consultant. Make him an assistant-GM or something to quite literally assist Riley. If not, what’s the point?
by WYK on May 20, 2011 1:10 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec.
I bet they’ll just pay him to say he thinks Curry and Monta is a great building block or something like that.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 20, 2011 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think they’re dumb enough to hire West just to have him say things. Pointless fluff like that doesn’t require you to hire a Hall-of-Famer when it could be left to the PR machine over at Warriors.com.
I do think that having him around would allow him the opportunity to point the team in the right direction, but that’s about it in terms of positive trends. What I have a problem with is that he isn’t given the reins to literally steer them in the right direction. West did great things for the Lakers and the Grizzlies because he was the man in charge, but I can’t say I expect something great when he’s only a consultant this time around.
my guess is that it is *West* himself that didn't want that kind of responsibility
or accountability, really
this way he can take credit, if the team turns around, but his reputation won’t be tarnished if it doesn’t
just a guess
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Wow, listen to you guys
And i thought i dwelled on the negative.
West may be 72, but he’s still his own man, still thinks for himself. He would never take this job just to say certain PR things, be a puppet.
At the very least, in this image driven league, his name will be a huge positive for players’ perceptions of the W’s.
In the meantime, his input in meetings, his connections around the league (getting calls answered, having insights into important info, etc etc,) his opinions on players, on which combos can work….it all can only help.
And even if it doesn’t help AS MUCH as we hope, i don’t see how West’s class act can hurt. And at the least it shows our ownership is working to build the type of foundation that has the ways and means (connections with Myers and West now) to get in there and become a player instead of the fringe Warriors we’ve been so long.
by supersugarCrisp on May 20, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
What I have a problem with is that he isn’t given the reins to literally steer them in the right direction.
West is 72. It seems unlikely that he wants the day-to-day grind of being the GM.
Lacob’s also been clear all along that his management style is to get a bunch of smart people together and let everybody have their input. Given that most major decisions are already being made by Lacob, how can having one of those “smart people” be West not be a very good thing?
by Ronaldinho on May 20, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Exctly, I like this braintrust over Mullin/Rowell/Cohan.
Completely different in terms of culture. How can you not like the fact that it’s completely the opposite thing that our last owner would do?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Wow
STILL trollin. LET IT GO! Monta may not be the best in the NBA, but what do you suggest we do about it? Dump him for tj ford? Would that really help our team going forward?
by JustSomeName on May 20, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
GSC
I think it was a few months back, but Jerry Dubz was on KNBR, i think it was Gary Rad’s show when he was asked what he thought about the Dubz Backcourt. Jerry West said he thought they were very good and very exciting to watch on the offensive end, but being a small backcourt combined he thought they would take a lot of beating as the long season progresses.
From that, it sounds like West likes the backcourt and could possibly make it to the playoffs, but won’t be a winning team because by the time they make it to the playoffs they will be too banged up to contribute to any offense.
If West had a lot of control to the Warriors decisions, I doubt he would keep the Monta and Curry Duo and reconstruct the team. At this point, I think West won’t have much control and I think Bob Meyer’s will have more of an impact. I think that is more of the intruiging pickup by the dubz that I really like. I think Bob Meyers will be the key to turn this franchise around.
That being said, I still don’t know what Lacob, Bob Meyers and the Dubz FO crew is planning to do. Even if they say they want to keep the Monta and Curry backcourt, I wouldn’t hold much weight on that concept and believe them. Anything can happen.
I am with the minority group (is it really just me and Brownie13 on this site? lol) of keeping the Monta and Curry backcourt. I really like think the trio of Ellis, Curry, and Dorell can be built around where the Dubz could be a threat in the league’s future.
I really feel we just need to get REALLY lucky with the draft or FA in building a stronger bench while only adding to this current roster with a core of Ellis, Curry, Dorell, David Lee and Udoh (if the front court chooses that core).
Even if the bigwigs chose Ellis, Curry, and Dorell as the core alone, imagine them along with a team of Darrell Aurthur, Zach Randolph, and Marc Gasol?
A very good front court gelled together with Memphis to make it to the Playoffs this year and have a good run. On paper in the beginning of the year I always thought they could be a good team (like the Clippers or the Wizards), lots of potential to be really good but a question mark left to be answered. I don’t think anyone would think Aurthur would contribute to the way he did, Zach Randolph was always a question with his attitude and ethics, and a lot of folks thought Marc Was good. I think the same could happen with the Dubz with patience, belief, and luck.
It always comes down to how much patience die hard Warrior fans have. You could either knee jerk react to every little move you disagree with, run your blood pressure high and complain or kick back and be patient while letting a new Golden State Warriors era slowly progress to success.
In Lacob and Bob Meyers, I trust.
Go Warriors still. LGW.
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on May 20, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Problem with Memphis comparisons stem around <why Memphis is good. They had a league average offense. Defensively, they were a bit below average in eFG% (opponent shooting efficiency). They were below average on the defensive glass. They were average at sending their opponent to the line. So why were they good? Because of their excellent perimeter D, which forced the most turnovers in the league without sacrificing too much in other defensive categories. The Curry/Monta/Dorell core can’t do that for us…..
But, I’m still liking the ownership, I like the moves they’re making in terms of our leadership. Time to sit back and wait for them to turn the franchise around.
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The thing people overlook with Curry/Monta is this
Of course no one is going to bash them in public, no one who is PR savvy or tied to Warriors. Why would they? It’s not smart.
But everyone, lacob included knows at some point they need to be moved.
The question is when? Does trading Monta for little to nothing NOW really benefit us long term? Or does building a team, that can make playoffs and thus increasing his value and cutting years on his deal make more sense. I can make a case for BOTH.
Or does building a team, that can make playoffs and thus increasing his value and cutting years on his deal make more sense.
That’s an intriguing question. Monta is basically in his prime, but I think he has improved a bit, too. His 3 point shooting and even his ball handling are better than they used to be. He may be able to improve on defense, too, with a new coach. Perhaps we ought to wait a year or two and, as you said, with fewer years on his contract, he’ll be worth more.
Of course, we may not have a choice. Teams aren’t offering much for him, so we have little to lose.
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Well, he’s improved from a raw skills perspective. The way he uses those skills has gotten a lot worse, though. The big question is….can he go back to using them more effectively, or is it a more permanent change?
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the contract is a big factor
3 years/33 mil for a guy who has been checkered in terms of effectiveness is a big gamble. Now if we add the pieces make a legitimate run at playoffs he’s at 2 years/22 mil, much more reasonable.
Keep in mind, new CBA is only making it worse. The unknown makes teams less willing to gamble
Monta is basically in his prime, but I think he has improved a bit, too. His 3 point shooting and even his ball handling are better than they used to be. He may be able to improve on defense, too, with a new coach
Very fair. And remember that the notion of him being in his prime is based on an average. He may have a later prime than average.
But …
Talking about him adding skills – like ball-handling and 3-pt shooting – misses the point. It’s normal for a player to continue to add skills as they spend more time in the league.
But those improving skills are in a race with declining athleticism to determine if a player’s actual production will improve.
Monta’s game is really dependent on that quick first step. This leads me to suspect that, like a soccer wing, when the decline comes it’s going to be sudden and dramatic unless he can add substantial other skills. Jason Kidd is an example of a player who’s game was based on a quick first step (as well as a supernatural understanding of where the ball ought to be on the court) who was able to survive his quickness going away by adding a great three-point shot to his arsenal, so there’s clearly a template for that sort of thing.
Well, Jason Kidd is never a good template for anything. Probably the smartest basketball player I’ve ever seen play the game.
by Missing Barry on May 24, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Really they need to pick either way.
Build it up, or tear it down. Stop the pussyfooting.
That means talent is gonna have to go out either way, but hey I want those tough decisions cause at least that means they’re willing to take a risk. Hopefully a good, calculated risk though. I am positive after our last few good front office hires.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
hahaha
I haven’t heard ‘pussyfooting’ in years
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on May 20, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
we just need to get really lucky in the draft
See, that’s not a plan. That’s hoping lightning strikes.
The rest of your points I pretty much agree on.
by Uwe Blog on May 21, 2011 1:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You're missing the point WYK
The move for Jerry West gives us much more credibility as a free agent destination (add Bob Myers who has good relations with players/agents). This is one of the worst aspects of Cohan reign of terror. Monta might have been right to be fined for the moped, but to rest of leagues players that was a huge read flag of ‘anti-player management’. Add to it, Rowell made Jackson fire his agent to get a contract extension (and in return fegen told none of his players to work out here pre-nba draft) you got a situation where we are a full on black hole.
Jerry West is about as respected a person as there is in the NBA, he can only help rehabilitate our image. Don’t overlook that impact, it’s important.
It’s a move mostly for Pr. But a good one. Lacob and Guber want to build GSW up as an eminent “Brand” in the NBA. That’s important to know. Anyone who knows anything about branding and marketing will agree this is an excellent move, Don’t take it for much more, other than West might be able to help us sway a free agent because of his reputation.
by tafkasam on May 20, 2011 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
+1
This hire will carry implicit benefits, not explicit ones
by JustSomeName on May 20, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t take it for much more, other than West might be able to help us sway a free agent because of his reputation.
That is my point, so I don’t know what I’m missing. I do see the potential benefits tied to this hiring, I just don’t buy that this is guaranteed to change the franchise as much as others think. Bringing in Jerry West as a consultant doesn’t exactly automatically that Dwight Howard or Chris Paul will be in a Warriors uni in a few years does it? I don’t think having him around in a non-decision-making capacity will necessarily increase our chances at drafting a franchise player either.
Where people are anointing Lacob and Co. as franchise saviors with this hiring alone, I’m sitting back and thinking, “Oh, this might or might not work because Jerry’s just there to give advice.” I don’t see any reason to be enthusiastic with something that’s ultimately low-risk with a varying range of reward, much of which is skewed heavily towards minimal reward. I’ll reserve my enthusiasm for moves that legitimately shakes up the franchise in a positive way.
by WYK on May 20, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
See, I see the whole “Jerry’s just there to give advice” as a very, very positive thing.
As for waiting for a franchise shake up, I’m curious – what are you waiting for, exactly? We’ve made major moves towards improving management, we’re bringing in a new coach….what else are you looking/waiting for?
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m waiting for tangible results. I’m now sold that the new ownership is committed to winning, but I’m not one to give brownie points just for “trying” if they fail. I’ll give them due praise when they succeed, but until then I’m remaining skeptical.
by WYK on May 20, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just toss the wet towel in the dryer. It feels much better after. Trust.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Well, um, one thing leads to another
What we’re excited about and you seem to be missing…sorry…is that this is the kind of move that indeed leads to the tangible results you want to see.
Sure, it doesn’t assure anything. But it’s so night and day refreshingly different, and PR improving (which in this image league does mean something) that you have to admit it can’t hurt and likely could help.
Imagine a meeting. In the past Cohan’s group had some overly nice, non connected, naive GM on the phones. Nobody wanted to play here. We were rightfully seen as a joke.
Now in that meeting we have one of the most respected ex-agents in Myers and all his good connections, and we have Jerry West and all his connections and experience. You don’t think knowing who to call, who to ask something……all of that stuff gets things done, gets players to choose you, makes other GMs decide to trade with you, etc etc.
It’s not as clear cut as getting a great player, but would you say upon getting D Howard in a trade “yeah, nice and all, but until i see tangible results i’m not getting excited?” Yes, extreme, but it’s the same idea. West is proven, and getting West (and Myers) shows the front office has a clue, perhaps THE most important part of all this.
That’s how things work. Realistically good signs lead to good things. Smart decision makers lead to results.
by supersugarCrisp on May 20, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
a guy who’ll either sit there and agree with every one of the front offices’ moves, or have his suggestions vetoed when they clash with whatever direction the bigwigs envision
So basically what you’re saying is you don’t think Jerry West’s words and opinions will actually carry any weight at all…
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions
again, i think the overt pessimism is not warranted
West is highly respected. He might give some player opinions, they might not carry much weight, but will be entertained. Where he does help us is with image. Everyone loves West, it helps cut the ‘GSW is a hell hole with horrible anti-player management’ stereotype. Secondly, in a player negotiation, Lacob and guber will do there best pitch (and it’ll be better than Cohan for one). Bob Myer’s because of his agent relations will obviously help, JErry west on top of that can only further it.
To a free agent player, you have a guy who used to work for your agent (tellem) who your agent trusts, telling you GSW is serious and want to win, and you have someone as famed and respected as West saying “this isa new warriors team, they will stop at nothing, they treat there players well etc. etc.” This can ONLY help.
It may seem small, it’s not. It won’t guarentee any players, but it sure as heck cannot hurt.
Well I agree with that, but I also think West’s words will carry weight in the front office. Sure, he isn’t in a decisionmaking role, but it’s Jerry freaking West. When he talks about basketball, you better listen to what he has to say.
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
And anyway, the more intelligent/established voices we have, the better.
Sidenote: One of the great unlucky twists of fate. I always wondered what what have been in the 2003 draft for memphis IF they hadn’t traded the future 2003 pick (which ended up being #2) for Otis Smith. As I recall, West was very high on Wade, or maybe Melo. But eitherway they had a core of Pau and players like Jason Williams, Shane Battier, Mike Miller…. History could totally be different today if Pau/Wade teamed up in 2003. Always interesting to think about.
Yes and no. I think Lacob has a clear vision of what he wants from this franchise and this team; Jerry West is being brought in to reaffirm that vision. I believe that much is true. What I’m worried about is when their opinions clash: does Lacob heed West’s advice, or will his ego (yes, Lacob does have an ego when it comes to basketball decisions) have him ignore any contrasting ideas into his vision? Lacob will entertain the thought of amending or changing his plans out of respect for West, but considering his staunch stance in defending the moves being made during his short time as owner, I’m not entirely sure he will follow through wholeheartedly.
Add to the fact that Lacob unceremoniously dumped another great basketball mind without retaining his services in any capacity, makes me think that Lacob doesn’t really have qualms with clashing with respected basketball icons. Though at this point I think I might be over-analyzing things.
Yeah, I’d say you don’t bring West in if you don’t intend to give West’s words a lot of weight. I also think West doesn’t agree to come to the franchise if he thinks he’ll be ignored whenever there is a dispute, and if he sees that happening….if I were him I would probably resign.
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
West and Attles in the same front office
….who’d have thought ? many intense contests against each other, on great teams, West with the significant advantage in size, speed, talent, and teammates, but Attles never conceded anything. The team could use a young 6’6 version of Attles, but it truly could be said they aren’t made like him any more. Allen (Tony, not Ray ) comes close.
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nice. old school references.
I love Tony Allen, other than a big man, he’s tops on my wish list for guys I want to get in the off season.
by Togna Balogna on May 20, 2011 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we should look for a Tony Allen-like player, but one that doesn’t have the hype Allen has generated. We should be able to get a similar player for cheaper than we’ll be able to get him.
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
agree?
Hiring Jerry West probably doesn’t hurt Brian Shaw’s chances.
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West is incredible addition.
HOF basketball player, so classy that his likeness is the NBA logo, actually won an Finals MVP when his team lost, put together the Showtime Lakers & then the Koby/Shaq Lakers, he’s just so accomplished as a player and as a front office guy.
Only thing that worries me is … how easy will it be for the existing front office to just ignore West advice/opinions? His role is defined as “non-decision-making, advisory role,”
Great move that raises lots of questions...
1. Was this move (and the Myer) hire a sign that Lacob has little faith in Riley left to his own devices?
2. While my hunch is that West asked for his role to be defined to the press as vague sounding, could the combo of being friends of Myer and Lacob and his reputation suggest he may have more power than the title suggests?
3. He has no need for status or money, what is the motivation behind this move? Could it be that he has the ear of certain big names in the games and his presence helps us attract those names?
4. Given all of this, my last question is, when does the other shoe drop? Hiring Jerry West signals that we are putting together a team that allows us to be far more active in the trade and free agency talk.
3. He has no need for status or money, what is the motivation behind this move? Could it be that he has the ear of certain big names in the games and his presence helps us attract those names?
Wild ass guess, but -
He probably loves basketball and wants to keep a hand in it, without the heavy-duty responsibilities (and hours) which come from being in charge.
There are some pretty sweet jobs in basketball (where you don’t have to work that hard but still get paid a nice sum of money). They tend to be reserved for former coaches, GM’s and players who are experienced and respected (and I’ve known a couple of people with these roles). This gig sounds like one of them to me. Lets West get a chance to still contribute to the game without having to commit the time/hard work requried of a GM.
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, exactly
I mean, hey, the man’s 72. There’s a lot of flying around the GM has to do, lot’s of sleepless nights, catching up later.
West can rightfully avoid all that while still being involved, still use his wisdom.
Most old dudes find retirement boring (Nelson has a million projects going on despite the image of him in a hammock under a palm tree.) Why not use West’s connections and knowledge? That’s all it is.
The one and only issue i could see is there are two styles of leadership. There’s leadership by one, and leadership by committee. Sometimes in committee’s there can be too many voices, things get convoluted making it so a clear vision isn’t there, leading to poor decisions. But i think the hierarchy is set. Riley/Myers get info from others like West, but Riley, with Myers in there close, makes the final decisions. West is mature, not the type to rock that boat, imo.
by supersugarCrisp on May 20, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Was this move (and the Myer) hire a sign that Lacob has little faith in Riley left to his own devices?
Maybe, but it reads straight from successful VC playbook page 1: when in a building phase, provide you decision makers with many tools to make the right decisions. It’s the basketball equivalent of stacking the board with people with the right connections to get the job done.
2. While my hunch is that West asked for his role to be defined to the press as vague sounding, could the combo of being friends of Myer and Lacob and his reputation suggest he may have more power than the title suggests?
I suspect that West has as much power as he cares to flex.
1. Was this move (and the Myer) hire a sign that Lacob has little faith in Riley left to his own devices?
Lacob was quoted in saying that he wanted to form the Warriors FO like how the Celtics had theirs, several voices in the decision making process to come up with the best decision for everything. 2 minds are always greater than 1, and now we have almost have a dozen!
by JustSomeName on May 20, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
2 minds are always greater than 1, and now we have almost have a dozen!
And I’m really liking the balance of those minds. Good stats guys, good contract guys, good connection and networking guys, good PR/entertainment guys, good taking over an organization and making it better guys, even good face of the NBA guys.
by WestCoastWarrior on May 20, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
the real question to me is
will GSOM posters give this new squad a year or two to set the ship right or will they write them off at the first bad decision? Some people here have already decided Lacob is a bust as an owner.
by Togna Balogna on May 20, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Some people here have already decided Lacob is a bust as an owner.
I think that many decided he was a bust when he failed in the all critical be Larry Ellison move that many seemed to believe was the right move for Lacob. Clearly Lacob is the worst owner ever. In his time here, the Warriors have never had a winning season. Total failure.
There is one critical measure that Lacob nearly matches Larry Ellison. That is his chances of winning another NBA championship. My money would still be on Larry but Joe has really closed the gap with this move to hire Jerry West.
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by KillaContract on May 20, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Ellison, not owning a team, currently has no chance of winning a championship.
This Ellison crush, favoring someone who didn’t even seem interested in basketball, who didn’t seem to care enough to figure out when bids were due to buy the team, is bizarre.
It is an interesting question:
Given a choice between two people:
One who has a history of ownership with another team, was a season ticket holder for out team, is well-connected around the league and is clearly passionate and enthusiastic about basketball …
… and the other who’s primary asset is an essentially limitless supply of money …
… in a sport where the rules are set up to make it impossible to buy a championship …
Why do you want that second guy?
Larry Ellison is more than just limitless amount of money.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 20, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
a sport where the rules are set up to make it impossible to buy a championship
Ha. These rules were put in place more to prevent over inflated owner egos from costing themselves too much money and to maintaining the current power structure. The rules are not effective at creating an even distribution of championships in the least bit.
It seams like a “limitless supply of money” can’t even buy a team without being “well-connected around the league”. I never cared too much for Ellison in the past. I am an SAP guy. He got my sympathy though after getting screwed out of the Warriors and then the Hornets. Though not proof, this is a strong indication to me that the NBA is more of a Cartel or Mafia than one of this countries less aristocratic business sectors that have fewer barriers to entry. Seeing the NBA ripe with nepotism. crooked refs and an opaque lottery system adds to this corrupt image.
Why do you want that second guy?
The fact that he lost his bids hints to me that Ellison actually was operating with some business ethics.
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by KillaContract on May 23, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The rules are not effective at creating an even distribution of championships in the least bit.
That’s not the point, though. The point is the rules don’t allow you to just go out, spend a ton of money, and win a championship because of it.
by Missing Barry on May 24, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
will GSOM posters give this new squad a year or two to set the ship right or will they write them off at the first bad decision?
I’m willing to give them a year or two. That was about my time frame for the new owners anyway, and as things have progressed, I am liking the changes.
But Im sure GSOM will be even more tough on this group, as the profile of the group goes up without tangible results. There are already unhappy comments and some people seem to feel this is little more than a Jeremy Lin publicity stunt (Sorry JLin, I think you are a great use of a 12th man, and look forward to your development).
by WestCoastWarrior on May 20, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m willing to give them a year or two.
That is an extremely short time from a basketball franchise point of view.
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I know
Something like 5 years may be more realistic.
What can I say, after almost 2 decades Im impatient. lol
by WestCoastWarrior on May 20, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
He wants to live in the Bay
F the Po Po
by bojangles408 on May 20, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
p.s. how is Rowell still on the payroll?
I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson
Who cares? He’s running the business operations side of things. When has any sports fan ever given a crap about who runs the business?
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on May 20, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, as long as he doesn’t give contract extensions to Stephen Jacksonesque players and the like, I don’t care. Lacob wants to keep him, because he sells tickets well. If it that ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
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Lacob wants to keep him, because he sells tickets well.
Still though, selling tickets to the only basketball team in the Bay Area sounds like a job that takes care of itself.
I think Guber and his talents will be a bigger piece of selling the Warriors product as we move forward. But yea, who really cares about Rowell at this point? He was the man at one point, he appears to be far from it at this point.
by WestCoastWarrior on May 20, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Why we will deal with memphis
West connections will obviously help our chances of getting Marc Gasol
They want Monta, always have
After they left playoffs, pundits were saying that Zach needs a legit threat who can consistently fill it up, they appear to have given up on Rudy Gay = Monta can be Robin to Zach’s Batman.
Monta’s size is not favorable, but having tony allen also at the two helps
Gasol wants a lot of money, I can see asign and trade between warriors and memphis where they get monta, and we get Marc – fillers added to make it work.
Warriors then sign a stop gap two guard veteran (Affalo? JR Smith?) and draft Alec Burks – West likes taller SGs
GO DUBS
Monta can be Robin to Zach’s Batman.
Terrible analogy. Batman can, would and has beaten Superman. Randolph is no Batman. Batman never loses.
Didn’t we already go through this one?
Hey
Got any extra pocket protectors?
I have a cousin in Seattle who is the spitting image of geek. And he doesn’t know it, like yourself. He’s got greasy hair, flooding pants, tucked in short sleeve office space type shirt, pocket protector with pens and what not, dorky yet comfortable shoes, and i kid you not, clark kent glasses with the white tape down the middle. I swear.
Oh yeah, and he’s 6-6 (but completely predictably uncoordinated and anti sports.) It’s like he straight outta “The Far Side,” but is oblivious to it all.
I never was aware of the superhero pecking order, but good knowledge, i’ve always appreciated geeks and nerds.
By the way, what’s the difference between a geek and nerd?
by supersugarCrisp on May 20, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Got any extra pocket protectors?
Jae has the brain of a nerd … but he’s also quite a bit better at having fun than most people.
Oh, the stories I could tell …
Really?
1. So, please do tell.
2. Most nerds who know they’re a nerd are of the hip-nerd variety, so really not fully nerd. Sounds like Jae.
3. Dork, nerd, geek, what separates ’em?
Is it impossible for one of these to even like sports? I feel pretty nerdy in general, but i like sports, never played D&D or did but didn’t like it the one time i tried, and i don’t exactly look that nerdy.
by supersugarCrisp on May 21, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Batman has beaten Lex Luthor, too. My nephew lent me Batman: No Man’s Land, which was a pretty good read. If you’re going to be a nerd, might as well be a “cool” nerd, who likes Batman instead of… say… She-Hulk or Hawkman.
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lol
Ha! I wouldn’t have pegged you for a comic buff. Some of those artists and writers are brilliant, aren’t they? I’m not particularly into them, but I did recently buy the Ender’s Game: Battle School graphic novel. It’s awesome.
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Haha
It was more of a phase for me, but I still go back and dip my toe in from time to time. Most recently I got into Robert Kirkman for a little while. I read mostly Invincible and The Walking Dead, and enjoyed them quite a bit, but got burned out after a while and stopped reading. I suspect in a couple years I’ll randomly get back into it for a few months again.
It’s been a phase for me as well. A long, drawn out phase that has yet to end.
by jae on May 20, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
learned to read with comics in the mid-1950s
but had ignored them for nearly 30 years until recently. The non-super hero work of Sacco and Lutes revived my interest in the form. Joe Sacco’s first major piece was the first comic in the Maltese language, and he went on to put his non fiction journalistic work into graphic narrative form with vivid portrayals of Palestine and then Bosnia in the time of ethnic cleansing. Jason Lutes’ graphic novellas are set in Berlin of the Weimar era ; entering the black and white art and dialogue is like getting immersed in a Fritz Lang movie or a classic film noir.
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Interesting scenario there...
If we do get Marc, they would need a center (BIEDRINS bam and we get rid of him!!!!) So Monta and Beidrins for lets say Gasol on about 10+ mil/ yr) That leaves another 10 mil to make it match up. Maybe we get them to throw in Either Tony Allen (3mil) or OJ Mayo (4mil) and then some other fillers. We would probably give up whoever we take in the draft as well or future picks. If they don’t give up Allen or Mayo maybe we get Rudy Gay and Gasol and give them Dorrel, Monta Beidrins? There are rumors that they are looking to move Gay. And if they have Monta, they would have a log jam at the 2 with him Oj, and Allen. That may actually be a possible move Togna Balogna
Curry, Dorell, Gay, Lee, Gasol?
Yes please but why on earth would memphis do this?
Remember he is not making decisions. West will be another voice in the front office
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he isn't just another voice
Myers is another voice – albeit one I like. West’s presence provides cache in the eyes of players and agents, connections to winning teams, and contacts that the dubs rolodex likely lacks,
I agree with others that the significance of this hire isn’t clear until a move is made that has his fingerprints on it – I am just happy and trying to be optimistic.
by Togna Balogna on May 20, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
oops
Should’ve posted Ostler’s article. Much better.
i like this alot
west’s arrival is significant in my view. at his age, he could have gone and stick with the lakers if he had wanted, but in his comment in the official announcement, it seemed as if he really believes in the owners. Thats huge if a guy like jerry west’s caliber would want to come onto a team that hasnt been producing much. The thought of jerry west in some sort of basketball operation with accordance with the warriors will significantly upgrade our reputation around the league, mainly the front office competence.
Yep, I see it as a great sign that West is choosing to come here. It’s not like we drafted him or traded for him. He wants to come work with our organization.
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
imagined phone call at end of the season...
Lacob: Hi, Mr. Logo? Listen, I need to back up all my big talk and get me some big names in here.
JW: Yep. You really set yourself up so far, have you read the posts on GSOM?
Lacob: I know, right? So, how would you like to be my GM?
JW: (long pause) Not at this time. But, I have a plan for you.
Lacob: I am all ears.
JW: Call by buddy Arn and see what you think of that Meyers kid he has working for him, that is your GM of the future. Oh, and can Smart.
One month later…
Lacob: Done and done Mr. Logo.
JW: Nice work, I now have faith in the new ownership group. Tell you what, since you took a flyer on Meyer I’ll come in as a special assistant to help you get a big name coaching prospect like Shaw and some decent players to put around Curry. He was the only rookie, besides myself, Jordan, the Big O and Jason Kidd to get 35, 10, 10 in a game. Don’t think I didn’t notice that.
I am feeling an totally overwhelming sense of optimism at this moment.
This is BIG news folks. There is no bigger sign post that you are serious about your franchise than when you hire Jerry West.
Brace yourselves, Warrior fans. This is about to get good.
Even if he's in a "non decision making role"
His talent evaluation and his experience with being able to build a contender should be more than enough to get all of us as fans VERY happy
lol
reminds me of good will hunting haha. the janitor telling the higher ups what to do…
by bimmercirem3 on May 20, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Would it be a little ridiculous...
…to have a custom Warriors jersey that read “West” on the back?
ALSO, a bit surprised there hasn’t been any photoshops of “the logo” in the Warriors colors.
Big Gulps huh? Welp, seeya later...
Love the move!
West brings us credibility. His position is “vague” but I don’t think West wants to come back full time anywhere. He’s 73 years old (?). This position allows him to stay in LA, and travel back and forth. HE’S STILL RETIRED. But the Golden State Warriors being linked with West helps tremendously. Jeff van Gundy loves his current job, but now that we are with West, he may like it a little less. Maybe not enough to quit, but you get the point.
For those who are still bashing this new “regime” for not doing anything and being Cohan 2.0, this should be an eye opener. You guys sound like the birthers and Obama! Hey, I’m not saying this guarantees we’re going to win or anything, but at least we are trying now. That is not something that could have been said before! Let’s give some time, lets at least let them show us the “vision” before we complain that it sucks.
very encouraging quote:
I’m excited about this opportunity and, quite frankly, humbled that the new ownership group with the Warriors inquired about my interest in joining the organization in this capacity. I’ve had the good fortune to work for two wonderful owners, Dr. Jerry Buss and Michael Heisley, as an executive and I know that you must have a commitment at the top to succeed.
I sense that is certainly the case with the Warriors or I would not have made this decision.
Obviously I’m ecstatic that West is joining us. But i’m just as ecstatic that he views the Dubs as a franchise that is fully committed to winning.
Source: AP
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Mike Heisley's a great owner!?
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by GovernorStephCurry on May 20, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
West finally got Monta!
Unusual and surprising move to get him, but he did it!! haha
by Lacob's Ladder on May 20, 2011 12:19 PM PDT reply actions
Terrible Move
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by ejdacanay on May 20, 2011 12:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The whole idea is to groom Kirk Lacob to be a good franchise GM
I just assume this is another piece to that. I figure West is will mainly serve as advisor to Kirk, to get him up to speed and whatnot. Nepotism at its finest. (I do believe this is a good thing).
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by Butterknuckles on May 20, 2011 12:35 PM PDT reply actions
Myers is next in line as GM. I could see Kirk being groomed as a GM down the line, but that’s still farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr in the future.
by Missing Barry on May 20, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh my, so quick to assume
Maybe i should assume you’re into conspiracy theories.
I’ll hold back on that, but you can see the connection, right? And as MB has pointed out, it’s Myers they’re grooming for GM.
Ainge just hired his son too. We’ll see, but not for around 10 years, how the younger Lacob and Ainge do. If they are clueless, then we can say it was pure nepotism.
by supersugarCrisp on May 20, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It is pure nepotism regardless. The success/failure of the nepotoad is irrelevant. Your logic is the same as saying Kobe is less of a rapist because he has won championships since then.
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by KillaContract on May 20, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn’t rape anyone. Why do people still believe that? He was found innocent. She didn’t say no. Was he a douche for cheating? Sure. Is he a rapist? No.
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He was found innocent.
Actually, this is not the case. There was no “finding” in the case. The girl decided she’d rather not testify and so the prosecution did not feel there was any point in continuing.
This happens all the time. Happened with Ben Roethliessberger this last offseason. He wasn’t “found innocent.” The woman decided it would turn her life upside down too much to continue.
This doesn’t mean that Kobe raped her. Although there’s a rather persistent rumor that her decision to not testify was bought and paid for. (While I’ve heard that from people I trust who I think would know, it’s still just a rumor).
But don’t confuse a decision not to prosecute with a finding of innocence. They are not the same thing. Particularly in a he-said/she-said case, the fact that the prosecution can’t prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in no way means that he’s innocent. (Remember, in a criminal trial, a finding of not guilty means that the prosecution didn’t meet it’s burden of proof. There can still be a clear preponderance of the evidence which suggests the person did it, and the jury is supposed to find the defendant not guilty).
She didn’t say no
We don’t know this one way or the other.
This doesn’t mean that Kobe raped her. Although there’s a rather persistent rumor that her decision to not testify was bought and paid for. (While I’ve heard that from people I trust who I think would know, it’s still just a rumor).
I think it’s highly likely that they reached a settlement, rather than continuing the prosecution. kobe knew that even if he had fought it all the way and was found innocent, there would still be many people that wouldn’t believe it, so why fight for it?
I heard a lot of discussion from people involved in the case. I was eventually convinced that he was just a jerk. Not a rapist.
But don’t confuse a decision not to prosecute with a finding of innocence.
I’m not. But we certainly shouldn’t confuse an accusation with guilt.
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Your statement:
He was found innocent
This was not accurate. The most reasonable reading of it is that you did confusion the decision to drop the prosecution with a finding of innocence. You should be more clear and careful with your prose if you, as you say now, you were making the distinction. Nothing in your initial wording aids that interpretation of what you wrote.
Again, I didn’t continue to argue that he was found innocent. I initially made that statement, but I didn’t keep going with it, did I? Why do you insist that I make official declarations, “I was wrong! I’m sorry, Jae! I’m sorrrrrrry!”
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It seems like instead of a simple “my bad”, you decided to pretend that you’d said something different. You said you didn’t confuse the two. You did. You said something wrong. It’s not that you didn’t man up to it, but you wrote something else that pretended that you were never wrong in the first place.
you wrote something else that pretended that you were never wrong in the first place
Bullcrap. Look at the thread and how I conceded implicitly that he wasn’t “found innocent.”
My response to the correction was not, “I didn’t say that,” but, “I believed he was innocent,” which essentially a correction, not a denial.
In fact, I didn’t mean he was found innocent, when I said that. I just misspoke anyway, so it’s irrelevant. What I said was, “I’m not,” which isn’t past tense and doesn’t deny that I initially misspoke. So… yeah… bullcrap.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
But we certainly shouldn’t confuse an accusation with guilt.
Very true.
However, no-one in this thread has suggested as much.
Your logic is the same as saying Kobe is less of a rapist because he has won championships since then.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
You're stretching there.
Yes, he thinks Kobe is a rapist.
But you can’t conclude that he thinks Kobe is a rapist SOLELY because he was accused. Perhaps, he looked at all the available evidence and concluded that it suggested that Kobe did rape her.
It’s not JUST that he was accused. There’s far more evidence in play than that.
Just for the record, I do not think Kobe is a rapist. Even if he was convicted I might still just think that nature took its course. I just thought it was a good example for how people presume guilt or innocence based on circumstances.
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
by KillaContract on May 23, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
N – he was not found innocent, that’s not how the court proceedings work
people still believe Kobe is a rapist because they choose to interpret the preponderance of information available, and they do so in the context of rape and rape cases in this country; your opinion that he is not a rapist does not end the discussion
women do not have to say “no” for it to be rape, we should learn to let women say “yes”
~ an original fan of the SF Warriors
Pure nepotism?
Could it be he actually felt his son was a good hire?
To me “pure nepotism” would be if he knew his son was a F-up, but hired him anyway. I mean, his son is qualified.
It’s the quickness with which you proceed to assuming Kirk is lining up for the job that gets me. It’s like you see the hire and it’s impossible to you that it means anything but a bee line to the top.
It appears to me Kirk was qualified, his dad feels comfortable and confident with him from a professional angle, and that’s all it is. Maybe wayyyy down the line things will change, but i’d be surprised if Kirk is ever GM.
by supersugarCrisp on May 21, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Kirk as GM over Riley.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 21, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Kirk is pretty smart...have you considered that?
Sure, he wouldn’t have gotten the job without pops but he’s still qualified.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 20, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Capable perhaps but qualified NO.
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
by KillaContract on May 20, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
There are tons of people who are qualified for NBA front office jobs but they never get the opportunity because they don't have connections.
He’s a graduate of Stanford with a minor in statistics and sports management i believe, and was an intern for the Boston Celtics for 2 years. He seems like someone who should be in NBA front office instead of a former player. Yes, he got the job because of his Dad but he was still qualified and capable.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 20, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe so.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 21, 2011 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Blockbuster, for at the very least
West brings legitimacy.
He may be getting old. He may not be quite as on the pulse as earlier in his career. But West knows his stuff and cannot hurt in the decision making process.
However (and i apologize to whoever has already said this since i just heard this GREAT news and haven’t read others’ posts yet) where West really helps is the perception of the Warriors by the great players out there thinking about where they’d like to play.
Our chances of seeing good FAs coming has gone up, and it’s more likely guys would agree to sign and trades here now too.
When we get good rookies, now they will be less likely to start making their get away plans very soon after getting here (or sooner.) (With how rocky Curry’s first two years were, you had to wonder, despite him being a more than patient, mature young cat. Now, he sees engaged, intelligent owners, a proven or up and coming coach coming in, and Jerry MFin West roaming the halls.)
For all those who ripped Lacob (much like ripping an in-coming US president too soon when it was the outgoing regimes mess he was getting blamed for…not just talking recent history either,) realize he gained control too late for last year. All those comments of “ah, just the same, etc” were silly. Understand how things work before sounding off so strongly, eh? Many of us said things like (as i did) “IF Lacob keeps Smart, then i’ll start believing he’s possibly more of the same,” but we knew more time was needed for him to really show his vision.
And with the bringing on board of Jerry West? Home run, if only just the wisdom guys receive from being around him, if only for the perception of winnertude he sends out to guys thinking about playing here.
And, mainly, it gives us confidence in our ownership group. How got damn refreshing is this?
Could it be? Are our, gasp, Golden State Warriors about to enter a place we know not? Are we about to become perennial contenders? (Or within a couple years, starting with a low seed this year.)
Great day!
by supersugarCrisp on May 20, 2011 12:51 PM PDT reply actions
other than "We Believe" in 07
this is the best thing to happen to the Warriors in almost 20 years.
Great Great Great move to show the rest of the league this team is serious about winning. Makes me happy to endure through some tough droughts to see the team attempt to competently turn itself around. Kudos to new ownership. It’s nice to see them get praise on ESPN for once.
"we must protect this house!"
by carlitofresh21 on May 20, 2011 12:52 PM PDT reply actions
I would rank Cohan's departure ahead of this
It is a great day in warriorland but West didn’t become GM or anything.
by Togna Balogna on May 20, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. Win.
Nothing more need be said.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Terrific move,
reading from the comments above most people feel the same way. Give Riley/Myers a great basketball mind to use and some great streed credibility around the league for us. Now let’s hire Lawrence Frank and figure out what to do with our ‘mediocre’ roster.
Boise State is 38-2 in my 3 years of college.
by warriorsscore110 on May 20, 2011 3:30 PM PDT reply actions
I have a stupid grin on my face right now...
Check my fanshot to understand why!! :D Great Move Mr Lacob!
'In Lacob We Trust'......
I'm actually really happy about this after some thinking.
I just don’t understand why Larry Riley is still technically the GM, and if he has any real say.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 20, 2011 6:28 PM PDT reply actions
Why is Rowell still employed for that matter?
And why is Ben Bernanke still the chairman of the Federal Reserve?
So many questions, so little answers.
by Doctor Kajita on May 20, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The Warriors are doing some aggressive things to court season ticket holders. One of them is a straight bet against a lockout, offering your money back plus five percent on any games that end up being canceled. They’re also going to give ticket holders some valuable goodies if the team fails to win at least 26 of 42 home games, make the playoffs or have an All-Star on the roster. They say they have had the highest renewal rate of any non-playoff team. During the season, if you renewed your season tickets at the arena you got to take a half-court shot with a chance to win $25,000. Worked like crazy, the team says, with 17 percent of fans renewing on game nights.
-Truehoop
Why do you think Rowell is still employed? And let’s leave economics out of this. ;)
by Missing Barry on May 24, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
It seems like Myers is set up to take over.
The owners seem to be about gradual transition, and I’m okay with that. At 72, West probably doesn’t want to put in the effort required to be a GM. I’d say Riley has another year.
by ohcleverhansyou on May 20, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't call me young fella...
Haha.
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 21, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry kids, I decided to hide my alternate, Jerry West-inspired GSoM logo. Actually, I decided to legitimately propose it to the GSoM crew (we’ve been discussing a logo refresh forever), and was worried about unveiling it before it had been fully worked out and vetted. If it’s rejected, I’ll unhide it. If it’s approved, you may see it shortly in the masthead. ;-)
There will be no extra point!
I wish it the best
It is pretty great.
by ohcleverhansyou on May 21, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Great move!
I admit, the Warriors are going to have to choose between Curry and Ellis. I can’t decide which one I think is better. I’d certainly trust Jerry West to make that call. I think that’s the decision that decides the next 8 years of the franchise. It’s worth the investment for that role alone, and anything beyond that is an even greter dividend. I am solidly behind this move, and I like the direction I see things going.
Wish we could trade Ellis for the Wolve's #2 pick or even Clevelands #4
Williams/Kanter/Vesely would be nice then add K Leonard or Burks at the 2.
by Only In Fairfax on May 21, 2011 10:59 AM PDT reply actions
so jerry gonna orchestrate anotha heist?
lee and bieds for pau and then sign marc in the offseason?
uh oh. big things be happenin when the logo is in town
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 21, 2011 12:55 PM PDT reply actions
5- 4- 3-
in 2001 this would have been a five star move, in 2006 when some people here called for GSW to hire Jerry West this would have been a four star move, after dumping Mullin this would have been a three star move …
our level of desperation is reflected in the expectations we have for a 72 year old advisor, tremendous credentials notwithstanding, turning our woeful franchise around
what this move says to me is Lacob knows what he doesn’t know - how to judge talented basketball people, and he brought in the best set of eyes, ears and brains to advise him. West isn’t likely to help much in the draft, or even in trades, but he will help teach Lacob what to look for in a coach, will help the GM in waiting to learn what to look for etc. I equate this to what some people refer to as “chemistry” on a basketball team – the results won’t be as measurable or obvious immediately but could have a payoff down the road as the front office team comes together and gels
~ an original fan of the SF Warriors
Great pickup. Of course the Logo adds legitimacy.
Blue chip players want to go to a place where well respected guys are in the office. The Big 3 isn’t going to Miami without Pat Riley. Kobe and Shaq don’t go to L.A. either if it wasn’t for this guy.
West will make trades
West is here to make a stamp on the Dubs. I believe West will shock the world by trading for Bynum or Dwight Howard (just like when the Giants shock the world by signing Bar-roids). West is not here to determine who will should select with the 11th pick. The 11th pick will be a benchwarmer at best.
Also, why are so many Dubs fans reluctant to trade either Monta or Curry ??
We can’t get to .500 or the playoffs with either of them !!
Also, why are so many Dubs fans reluctant to trade either Monta or Curry ??
We can’t get to .500 or the playoffs with either of them !!
PPG is overvalued and defense is undervalued?
"If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball." - Phil Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on May 21, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, why are so many Dubs fans reluctant to trade either Monta or Curry ??
We can’t get to .500 or the playoffs with either of them !!
you can with one of them (steph), just not both.
If the bar is .500 or the playoffs, we can reach that bar with both of them. Of course, I think that’s a pretty crappy bar and we should aspire for better, which very likely does mean ditching Monta one of them…. ;)
by Missing Barry on May 24, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
GSW offseason thus far.
Added credibility and connections(Jerry West, Bob Myers)
Still on to do list:
Hire a defensive-minded coach who runs a fast paced offense.
Acquire a solid center (Jordon, M Gasol, Nene, Biyombo, Kanter, etc.) through free agency, draft, or trade.
Replace our 2 with a defensive stopper type 2 (Iggy, Afflalo, etc.)
If Lacob completes these three things, its going to be tough to find much to criticize him about. Obviously, there are always going to be valid criticisms, but our team will be set to make at least another 10 game improvement.
Swap Ellis for Iguodala
Use Biedrins to trade for Kanter/Biyombo once drafted
Curry/Lin
Iguodala/Williams
Wright/11th pick?
Lee/Udoh
Kanter or Biyombo/Lee/Udoh
Assuming Kanter or Biyombo turn out alright, you have to like the possibilities.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on May 21, 2011 4:50 PM PDT reply actions
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