Tim Roye's Mock Draft
Over at Warriors.com they are doing a mock draft. If the draft goes this exact way with the top 10 spots who do you take at 11?
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Or Ben Wallace! Probably somewhere in between.
by Missing Barry on Jun 12, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh,
Please don’t remind me.
They’re completely different, though. Sene was a rail thin 7’ with a freak wingspan who had hardly played basketball. Biyombo is a sturdy 6’9", a ridiculous athlete, and has played (and produced) in a tough pro league.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jun 12, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Without a doubt Biyombo.
Sene was nowhere near as coordinated, smooth, agile or aggressive as Biyombo. Similar but a lot different as well.
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Jun 12, 2011 1:12 PM PDT reply actions
Biyombo
He pretty much sucks on offense, but he can be a Ben Wallace type presence on defense. Wallace pretty much sucked on offense, but because his defense was so good, he was the 2nd best center in the NBA behind Shaq for a little while. He’ll at least be able to get putbacks and alley-oops, as well as set picks to free up other guys. His upside on defense is too good to pass up.
Just imagine end of the game situations where the game is close or we have the lead and need to get stops
Having Udoh and Biyombo would be huge. Teams would pretty much have to settle for jump shots.
I think having Biyombo and Udoh on the same team would be similar to the type of bigs Chicago has. Now we just need Lee to play the part of Boozer.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 12, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Jun 12, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Jun 12, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Hack a Bismack
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 12, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Like I said in another thread...
Being able to sub Udoh and Biyombo in and out for one another would be a luxury few teams have. Defenses wouldn’t be able to rest.
I really believe his offensive game can be improved with solid coaching and time. The comparisons to Sene and Wallace etc are somewhat valid but when I watch those clips I see a guy who is much more agile, smooth, and coordinated (with the ball) than Wallace, Adonal, or Sene ever were.
If the Warriors organization is as serious about defense as they’re saying, Biyombo is the guy at 11.
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Jun 12, 2011 2:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
whoops i meant OFFENCES wouldnt be able to rest...sorry
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Jun 12, 2011 3:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Id take Klay over Biyombo. We will be scrapped for cash after we sign a center. Who’s gonna score off the bench? How do we acquire that 3rd guard that we all agree we’ll need if we keep the current back court? Reggie is most likely gone to a team like the bucks or the bulls that need scoring more than we do. I think Udoh and Amundson can provide enough defense off the bench.
We will be scrapped for cash after we sign a center
You realize that if they get Biyombo they probably won’t get a free agent center. They’ll probably go with a center rotation of Udoh, Biyombo, and Biedrins(if he’s still here). We’d have plenty of money to either re-sign Williams and/or get someone else to give a scoring punch and also get a good perimeter defender to come off the bench.
Biyombo is 6’9 240. He cant play Center in the league as a rookie regardless of his standing reach. And he surely cant start as a rookie at Center.
He has a 7-6 wingspan. The guy is super athletic, long, and strong. He can play center in the league
? Okay, that’s great. Thabeet does have the size to play center. What’s your point? Yes, he pretty much sucks, but what does that have to do with Biyombo’ ability to play basketball?
Okay
the big difference between Biyombo and Thabeet is that Biyombo has a great motor. If Thabeet tried hard and was actually strong enough to keep men off their spot, then he’d be a really useful player.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 12, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, he was recently measured at 245. The height isn’t a concern, he’s big enough to be a C. He might need to bulk up a bit, but then again, guys like Noah do fine at that size. Supposedly he’s aggressive and intense, so he might be able to make up for his lack of bulk through his mentality….
by Missing Barry on Jun 12, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
For how much cap we will have
We couldn’t sign a center
And Louis nor Ekpe can consistently guard centers
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We dont know that yet. 6 mill might be enough to sign Jordan or Oden with the new CBA. At the very least we can sign Nazr.
Biyombo and Udoh > Nazr
Nazr is a stiff old player now who’s best fit is a 3rd big. A couple years ago that wouldn’t be the case but now ? I wouldn’t be surprised if he retired
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Nazr is a pretty nice player to have, though.
Surprisingly effective scorer.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 12, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt it is Biyombo
If we get a big man he needs to be able to score
I don’t want some 35 year old stunting Udoh’s playing time
Why would we draft similar players two years in a row?
If we get him, it sends the signal we are not going after a free agent big – which I would prefer
Biyombo is a long term project – might be good in 4 years – niot into waiting that long
If Jonas falls to us – let’s get him as a big man
If not, take the best SG available
If we get a big man he needs to be able to score
Why?
I don’t want some 35 year old stunting Udoh’s playing time
What?
Why would we draft similar players two years in a row?
Their not that similar and it helps defense
If we get him, it sends the signal we are not going after a free agent big – which I would prefer
Or it means we went with BPA
And Jonas is also a project like Biyombo
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
by dubzfan on Jun 12, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dont get how so many ppl who was against the Udoh pick are begging for Biyombo. At least Udoh had a offensive game. We dont need another power forward unless he can score.
Biyombo is MUCH longer than Udoh was and he’s likely MUCH younger. He’s a better athlete and he’s stronger. He has so much more defensive upside than Udoh. They’re barely comparable as defenders.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 12, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
What? How can you say he’s has a better defensive upside than Udoh when Udoh led every conference he’s ever played in in Blocks. He comes to the league and leads all rookies despite not being a starter and missing the 1st month of the season. I think you guys are tripping with this Biyombo hype. The game is more than measurements. If it wasnt Hasheem Thabeet would be a starting Center.
by J-RIDAH on Jun 12, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cause he dominated europe blocking shots?
And is much longer and more athletic? Also Thabeet was a stiff, all he had was height
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
That'd be true if BB didn't play for Barcelona's top squad and dominate
That is what some people don’t get, he was starting after a very short amount of time on their best team in the top euro league
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
I should have been more clear with my last sentence.
Udoh and him are probably in the same vicinity as defenders right now. Biyombo might be better, Udoh might be better. If Biyombo is actually as young as they say, then he has the potential to be a defensive stud. More than make up for the fact that he’ll likely be a 0 on offense.
PEople are throwing the measurements at you because you are using 1 measurement to discount his ability to play center: he’s 6’9". That’s irrelevant because he also has a 7’7" wingspan and a 9’4" standing reach. He’s a freak.
A better way to discuss basketball prospects is to talk about what you’ve actually read about them and not just compare them to a player they sort of remind you of. You talking about him like he’s Hasheem Thabeet is like me talking about him like he’s Ben Wallace. Both suck. We’re adults. We are both capable of dealing in facts.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 12, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much this. First, our options are worse this year – lower pick in a potentially weaker draft, so the bar is lower. Second, Biyombo has more defensive potential – bigger and younger. I’ve always said I’d like Udoh a lot more if he were younger, well, Biyombo might be that guy.
by Missing Barry on Jun 12, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
isn't Biyombo's age in question?
I’ve heard he may be 24 or 25. Udoh is 24, right? Even if Bismack is 22 or 23, not that different.
I think Biyombo’s shot blocking, while very impressive, is misleading. We have actually led the league in blocked shots in years past while also being the worst defensive team in the nba. Blocked shots are kinda like steals in that way.
Plus, Biyombo is a serious offensive liability. Bad hands, less of a shot than beidrins, and probably a worse free throw shooter.
Udoh plays good defense man to man, not just cool looking blocked shots.
Biyombo is a serious project, hos return won’t be evident for three or four years – as a warriors fan, I don’t want to wait that long.
by Togna Balogna on Jun 13, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, the age seems to be in question. At least based on info we have, there doesn’t seem to be any real answer on that. He may be as young as 19, though, and he’s probably at least younger than Udoh.
I agree that blocked shots can overvalue a player defensive contributions. All the reports indicate Biyombo is a pretty complete defensive player, though.
I’m ok with a bit of a project. At the end of the day, I want talent, we’re not that good of a team right now.
by Missing Barry on Jun 13, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
My mock draft
1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Brandon Knight
4. Enes Kanter
5. Kemba Walker
6. Jan Vesely
7. Jimmer Fredette
8. Jonas Valanciunas
9. Alec Burks
10. Marcus Morris
11. Kawhi Leonard
Where is Biyombo ?
Houston?
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
I suspect Biyombo will be available for the Warriors
and they will pass, as will a couple more teams
by eastbayglory on Jun 12, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
i sure hope not
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Jun 12, 2011 8:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Biyombo does not make our bench deeper. He doesnt crack the starting lineup either. So he’s a project.
stop it
People who know more about basketball than you or I are certain that he’s already an NBA caliber defender.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 12, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes he does
Anytime you can get a great shot blocker and rebounder on a team that lacks defense and a good front court adds deph
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
he may go to Sacramento
they like him
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I'm not convinced
guess I have a fear of long, lefty bigs
by eastbayglory on Jun 12, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I still take Chris Singleton
a reach to many, but if we’re keeping Ellis (which looks increasingly likely), I’d try to lock up that shut-down wing.
I suspect we stay away from project bigs (Biyombo, Thompson). Burks and Morris would be the pick if there. Then it’s Singleton.
I like Singleton
but I think T. Thompson has the most upside.
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"It’s not all about stats…you’ve probably never played basketball in your life. There are things called intangibles. He is what you call a winner. Led his team to a national title. We need people who know how to win. He obviously has to be doing something right." (dhod)
"When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely in your thoughts advanced to the state of science." (Lord Kelvin)
The Warriors aren’t in position to wait on Bishmack, they need a contributor who can come in and legitamently relieve a starter…Alec Burks, Klay Thompson, Tristan Thompson (too bad Dubs are back loaded at PF because he looks legit!)…If you miss on Bishmack the consequences are too great for the franchise
by Brothaplease09 on Jun 12, 2011 10:50 PM PDT reply actions
Wait
why not? We won 36 games last year. Maybe if we won 56 I’d agree with you.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 12, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
This is precisely the ’logic" that brought us Joe Smith, Fuller, Foyle, Dunleavy and Diogu instead of Garnett, Kobe, TMac, Amare and Bynum.
It’s sad that you’re so focused on rehashing the same talking points that you can’t even acknowledge this.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jun 13, 2011 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I want to become a contender. To do that you need top talent.
by Missing Barry on Jun 13, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s probably true. I get the impression that the people that want Biyombo, want him because of his DPOY kind of potential on one side of the ball. We’re hoping he turns into a Ben Wallace kind of player? Probably not the most likely scenario, but if there’s a chance, it could very well be worth taking, given our options at 11. Taking a role player with a low ceiling pretty much guarantees we won’t get a core guy.
by Missing Barry on Jun 13, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
No, that's the opposite of good logic/teambuilding
If you have really really good players, you draft contributors. If you don’t, you draft players with huge upside. The fact is that no one at 11 has that sort of upside except for Biyombo.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 13, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
BISMACK
H: 6’ 9"
W: 240 lbs
Bday: 08/28/1992
This guy is 18 yrs old and he can stil grow. Anthony Randolph did grow a couple inches since coming to the warriors and he might put somemore muscle on his body. Might as well take him. What do the warriors have to lose? We aren’t going to win the Championship soon so take a chance and he might be better than Bynum or Howard. He can grow and learn some Offensive skills.
"he might be better than Bynum or Howard"
wow – I guess anything is possible.
The guy is a complete bust on the offensive side of the ball. he has bad hands and can’t shoot anything but dunks. also, he can’t make free throws.
He may be more of an adonal foyle type than a bynum type.
Udoh is better right now. In five years, Biyombo might be better. I’m not interested in waiting that long.
by Togna Balogna on Jun 13, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Why do you think the time frame is so long? Biyombo might be able to contribute defensively in the next year or two, supposedly. Why do you see him as a 4-5 year project?
by Missing Barry on Jun 13, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
from NBA scouts after his recent workout:
“In one-on-none drills, NBA evaluators got to observe bad hands and an offensive game that everyone agrees will be a non-factor in the league, all the way to a bad showing at the line. Dibs on trademarking "Hack a ‘Mack." Opponents will foul Biyombo every time he has the ball within dunking distance, also known as his maximum shooting range.”
I am tired of drafting projects. I want us in the playoffs asap. He may be good down the road, but not soon enough for me.
by Togna Balogna on Jun 13, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Wherever Biyombo is drafted, it’s going to be for his defense, not his offense.
by Missing Barry on Jun 13, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
His offense sucks
no one denies this. However, those same scouts are saying that he his ready to contribute on defense right off the bat. If his defense is as good as advertised, I’m totally fine with him having next to no offensive game.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 13, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
More and more it seems Bismack will be there for the taking.
DX just came out with a new mock with us taking Bismack.
If we don’t trade Ellis, Bismack would be the logical pick. We need commitment on the defensive end, and a Bismack pick would be an emphatic pick for defensive basketball. Bismack would not only defend, he would inspire others to play defense by his style of play.
Even if we do trade Ellis
Bismack is a fine pick.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 13, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
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