Jeremy Tyler < or > Bismack Biyombo?
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 15, 2011 11:25 AM PDT
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Printstats in japanhttp://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jeremy-Tyler-1327/
Last year Detroit took Greg Monroe after we took Udoh. That bothered alot of ppl here on GSOM. This year (from reading Detroits blogs on Biyombo) they could easily go with the big defensive specialist. And that would leave us with an angle of revenge. By taking the next more well rounded big in Jeremy Tyler. Tyler has the same size as Enes Kanter and was touted as one of the biggest names in high school until he made his decision to go overseas. He made some bad choices and learned some tough lessons.
Hindsight is 20/20 and we will never know who was worthy or not until these guys play a few years in the NBA. I really think this guy is going somewhere in the 10-20 range. worst case would be late 1st round.. Lacob and co. seem committted to winning next year and going for the 8th seed. Taking Tyler would seem like a awesome backup to Udoh for our center position!! Udoh comes out and then this huge man child steps in..... I think getting a center is the most important long term issue on our team. More than the ellis debate even. Ellis can net us another guard in a trade later (if needed).
I know it seems like a reach , but, if we took him, what do u guys think are the pros and cons to this?
btw, his numbers in Japan league looked something like this per 36 mins. 21 points 14 rebounds but he seemed heavy on fouls and heavy on turnovers but given his age.. geez, this guy may still be growing..
| Summary | ||||||||||||||
| T eam | G | MIN | PTS | 2FGP | 3FGP | FT | RO | RD | RT | AS | PF | BS | ST | TO |
| Tokyo Apache | 33 | 507 | 326 | 137-265 | 1-5 | 49-108 | 76 | 134 | 210 | 17 | 88 | 23 | 15 | 75 |
| AVERAGE | ||||||||||||||
| Tokyo Apache | 33 | 15.4 | 9.9 | 51.7% | 20.0% | 45.4% | 2.3 | 4.1 | 6.4 | 0.5 | 2.7 | 0.7 | 0.5 | 2.3 |
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but no way they give us their 25th pick for beans... but 2nd rounder? plus take on his
horrible pay roll.. ouch.. seems impossible.. darn..
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 15, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
After watching Biyombo's Euro workout on Utube.....
I am having faint feelings that Tyler might be a better pick even at #11 …IF we just HAD to have a have big. A reach I know but Biyombo looked worse than AR….he is active but is he smart..can he learn the NBA game or is he just a bounce around guy like AR with no IQ? Would he be better than Tyler? Who knows.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 16, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
never let the workouts sway your decision. I think watching the games are a lot more important.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Good point but.....
I have watched everything out there on Biyombo and although he looks like a aethletic freak ,which is a good thing…He seems to have bad hands and although his motions look ok he just cant do anything on offense other than dunk and I am talking chairs for defense. I wonder if he will even be able to hold onto a ball in the NBA if he gets a rebound?
He has the physical tools just like AR and does have an intense facial expression down pat but I wonder…. if he is really 18/19 well then that explains alot but has anyone heard anything about his BBall IQ?
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 16, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Biyombo > Tyler
if he is really 18/19 well then that explains alot but has anyone heard anything about his BBall IQ?
I read that they did some medical tests on his bones to find out for sure exactly how old he was. The results came back and confirmed that he’s either 18-19, can’t remember which. He’s just raw and unexperienced. He has the tools to be one of the best defensive bigs in the league, and one of the better rebounders.
I think Biyombo’s chances of reaching his potential look better than Tyler’s. Read here:
Tyler
Doesn’t play very hard, and it’s not rare for him not to run back on defense and his team to give up a basket or an offensive rebound … Needs to develop focus, consistentcy and discipline … Struggled mightily with fouls when he was playing in Japan this past season, and wasn’t much better in Israel either … Displays a low basketball IQ and raw decision-making skills, and he’s pretty turnover prone … Doesn’t really like to pass the ball…There are legit questions about his maturity and character … Quit the team when he was playing in Israel, didn’t adjust to the style of play, had trouble earning playing time over other talented players on the teams roster, and complained about playing time … Struggles with the thought that other players are also as talented as he is. Has been somewhat dilusional about his own ability but seems to have received a wake up call of sorts …
Anthony Randolph’s name resonates….
Bismack
Runs the floor very fast. Plays with a high motor, brings energy to the team defensively… Appears to be a quick study, developing his skill level to the point where it is … considered a high character kid by all accounts…Shows a mature, positive attitude. Speaks English well
i read somewhere BB he has been playing basketball since he was 9 years old
and pro since he was 14. and he is still this raw offensively?? i think there are some questions about his history unexplained.. when did he REALLY start playin ball..
on tyler.. wow .. umm not sure how to reply lol.. but , im sure someone could write about bismack and make him sound bad too.. im just assuming here but i think in 3 years Tyler is going to be somebody….
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 16, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Thx lilboots.
I now feel better again about Biyombo..I think. But what about Tristan Thompson/ Chris Singleton campared to Biyombo?
Since Biyombo’s stock has fallen enough for the possibility for the W’s to grab him it is very tantilizing …I want to believe! But have memories of so many over hyped African players bombing out.
Good thing though is that Biyombo will bring that future(star) AR/BW delayed gratification type hope that can last for several years before we know if he will work out. Nice for moral and who knows perhaps the third time will be the charm?
Picking him certainly does fit the owners “go for it” mentality.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 17, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
And yes Tyler seems to have even more ? marks.
And that low BBall IQ comment was something that I had missed. The other stuff I had discounted due to his age.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 17, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Good thing though is that Biyombo will bring that future(star) AR/BW delayed gratification type hope that can last for several years before we know if he will work out.
Randolph’s opinion of himself as a player is skewed. He’s developing a perimeter game, when he should be using his athleticism, agility, and competitiveness in the paint. He destroyed what hopes fans had in him, because he failed to discover his game in a convincing and timely fashion.
When you think that you’re better than you are, you sleep on that agenda of someday being recognized as a superior player in the league, while you sit on your skills and rely on them to dictate where the chips fall. Then it just passes you by.
Brandan’s case is more complicated, but he seemed to lack the focus and drive you need when you haven’t yet proved that you’ve earned a place in the league.
Biyombo will be different because he doesn’t exploit his game by playing out of himself, and he looks like he possesses the focus to keep his approach to the game intact – Enough so to earn his contributions notice sooner, rather than later. The opposite can be said in the case of an Anthony Randolph or even Brandan Wright, for that matter.
As much as we like Bismack Biyombo, I have a difficult time imagining Jerry West being very excited about him. The case could very well be contrary, but it seems BB lacks the skill and versatility (being strictly a defensive player) that West covets in a prospect.
I would also doubt that West has traveled east and actually seen with his own eyes, these European prospects in action. Again, I could be very wrong. Maybe he has. If not, I can’t imagine him placing the available Euro’s over guys like Marcus Morris and Klay Thompson (Both very skilled and versatile NCAA players).
Plus BB is making US workout tour and the W's do not seem to be included in his schedule.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 18, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
wow... how could we not be on the menu??
just considering the fact that he is due to land right where we pick..
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 18, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I would also doubt that West has traveled east and actually seen with his own eyes, these European prospects in action. Again, I could be very wrong.
Didn’t Riley take in some action overseas recently?
I seem to remember an article a few months ago about Riley travelling all the time, getting ready to head overseas…
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 21, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
West will trust his vision of a player's future
and if he believes in that player he’ll take those risks that he believes are necessary. So his endorsement of Biyombo, if that’s how it turns out, would be a pretty big leap. What he sees in a player’s hoops i.q. is probably a big factor. My guess, if they pick Biyombo they intend to trade him for other picks or combine him with other assets to get picks and a player ready to contribute.
Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)
Brandan’s case is more complicated, but he seemed to lack the focus and drive
that…and the fact that his arm kept falling off
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 21, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
but, he did play in an adult league.. he probably took the wrong route but it is what it is
if he succeeeds then it was ok to take that route.. he may flourish once he gets around the top basketball staff and ppl in the world..
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 15, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Tyler won't make it past the first round
The Knicks and Spurs will get him. If they don’t pick him then the Heat will take him with the first pick in the 2nd round.
Clippers own staples center!!!
oops
The Knicksandor Spurs will get him.
Clippers own staples center!!!
by ClipperBEAST on Jun 15, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He may be better than Biyombo down the road.
Both of them are like big ? Black holes. Either or both could be big busts or future stars…is the gamble worth it at#11. The W’s have a bad taste lingering after wasted drafts with AR and BW.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 16, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
ya we have.. and the list is even much bigger than the two u mention but, i would say the odds
are that eventually one of them will be the real deal.. we are due for a dominant center!!
its like 40 years now since we have had that ) :
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 16, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
You must have forgotten Les Jepsen, Uwe Blab, Jim Peterson, Alton Lister, Paul Mokeski, Manute Bol, Vic Alexander, Rony Seikaly, Patrick O’Bryant, Ralph Sampson, Erick Dampier.
See, Adonal Foyle doesn’t sound that bad when you look at him in context.
by Uwe Blog on Jun 17, 2011 1:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Anthony Randolph was not a wasted pick
After all, he had enough perceived value to land David Lee. And for at least part of the time he was here he provided entertainment to a sizable and rabid fan base. That’s not too shabby from a #14 pick.
WASTED!
...And there goes the 1 man fast break
by Moneer Mujaddidi on Jun 16, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
i say not wasted IF
we didnt give lee such a monster contract.. lee woulb be tradeable but now he is one of our most UNtradeable contracts
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 17, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
If the IF had not happened we would still be blissfully waiting for AR to develope I suppose.
And might at least have the 8/9th pick this year. ha!
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 17, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
ya, in hind sight i would WAY rather have never traded AR and kept all that david lee money
and have smart play AR all season long (with udoh backing him up) and test him to seee what he really has/had. now we would have plenty of money on the books for a good big guy, a tradeable asset in AR (udoh backing him up) . and if AR wasnt as good as lee then we would be picking 6 or 7th this year.. (and just miss kanter LOL)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 17, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Lee needs a center
He needs someone with size and skill to take the pressure and focus away from him in the paint. When that happens, he’ll be able to impact the game easier and put up numbers. Then his stock should rise. He’s not the kind of specimen who can do it on his own down there. He’s an extremely complementary asset to a guy who scores under the rim and changes shots.
Except that Udoh would have proven to be better an AR would have ended up the backup.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 18, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
but AR would have played the 4 with udoh at the 5...
and maybe just maybe AR would have developed a little and increase his value.. plus we would have a ton of money on the books with lee not being here.. oh well its kinda moot point anyway now…
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 18, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
this huge man child
Since when is 6’ 9" huge for the NBA? The child part seems to fit. Man brat would be more accurate.
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
LOL man brat.. well, i woulda been tempted for 140k to play too...
with shoes hes near 7’ hes as big or bigger than any center.. I woud take his temperment over cousins anyday..
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 15, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
plus he may grow an inch or two at only 18 or 19
at least we know his age unlilke Biyomboman
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 15, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not sure it was so much the money as the shortcut that choice was perceived by him to be vs paying his dues in college. If you can call playing one year in college paying your dues. Jeremy seams to be the polar opposite of a person like Bismack who has taken the most advantage of the opportunities presented to him. Jeremy is very likely to self destruct after signing a million dollar contract. Also he shoots less that 50% free throws. So I doubt he has much undiscovered talent.
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by KillaContract on Jun 15, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
well he has paid a different set of dues and its hard to compare him or imagine how he would do in college
but his freethrow stance looks horrible yet he looks semi fluid in his outside shots.. he would be surrounded by an on the rise organization with the best of the best honing his skills…
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 15, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
it said somewhere bismack has been playing bball since he was 9 and by 14 he was playin pro
and he has BRICKS for hands and nothing to say he can be a good scorer or passer
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 15, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
and he has BRICKS for hands and nothing to say he can be a good scorer or passer
Watching him at the Eoro workout scared the crap outa me. The scouts on the side lines seemed to be trying hard not to snicker.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 16, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
How is that big? For starters he's like the 2nd biggest dude in the draft.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
calmly takes swig off of my ICE COLLLLLD duff beer (corona actually but defintately frosty after two hours in the freezer)
looks as tho i did the unthinkable i silenced everyone! (takes victory swig)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 15, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
i can see a future excellent and young championship core in
curry
reggie (maybe #6,7 men lin and ellis off bench)
DW
udoh
tyler
plus 3 years of solid front office trades and picks ,
then would start our championship runs….
hopeful trade aways lee, beans, lou, and everyone else not mentioned..
if tyler was really that good or had as much upside as you think
there’s no way he’d be going in the 2nd round of this shallow draft
The draft is shallow but his beer supply is not.
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by KillaContract on Jun 15, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
i have several cases of duff beer to go around .. its on me..
but i only got me one frosty almost empty corona.. that was just to get me through this heat wave afternoon…
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 15, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
That warm beer will help get you through the heat also. Just drink it faster and more. I prefer mine warm and a bit flat.
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
by KillaContract on Jun 15, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
he has odd shooting, looks like he could spread the floor at with a decent outside shot
but has horrible free throw #s . but the upside is he is truely 18 vs. biyombo at an unprovalbe age coz he came out of the congo.. tylers upside could include growing a bit taller and pack another 20 pounds and become better at all around shooting
Tyler at 11 ????
He’s projected to go in the 2nd round. I wouldn’t draft him with the 11th pick, if he’s there at 44, take him if not oh well. Looks to me like he’s POB 2.0
by Babyface Assassin on Jun 15, 2011 3:56 PM PDT reply actions
he sorta looks like POB but im not sure whos more thick.. and given his age... hes still growing most likely
wish i had POB stats now to compare
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 15, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
When I hear “golden revenge” I can’t help thinking of “peeing Calvin.”
There will be no extra point!
Last year Detroit took Greg Monroe after we took Udoh.
I think if Detroit picks Bismack, it is a huge indication that they wish they got Udoh instead of Monroe. Bismack and Udoh are near identical players.
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
it does seem sorta identicle but i am wondering if
bismack < udoh for offense and
bismack > udoh for defense.
and im not sure how it would affect udoh if moved to the 4 really in either case
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 15, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Or
they could just have both.
You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 16, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not putting down the desire to get Tyler in anyway. It’s just that reading:
…like a awesome backup to Udoh for our center position!!
Worries me. Udoh should be our backup. I just cant get excited at this point about making a move to get a backup for our backup.
by WestCoastWarrior on Jun 15, 2011 4:29 PM PDT reply actions
well, im just figuring we are a couple years away from championship caliber at best anyway
so by then tyler would be more mature and ready.. and udoh could be the starting 4
but that lineup could be experimented right away once the season actually starts
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 15, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
well, im just figuring we are a couple years away from championship caliber at best anyway
Assuminging that you are kidding around ?…right?
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 16, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
well a couple years of solid FO moves and trades and draftees
a couple years would be the absolute quickest i see us rising to the top… and i am homer esque in my stance there and am expecting this lol
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 16, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
i would take tyler if they both BISMACK and TYLER agreed to a private 1 on 1 workout
and have all the scouts and FO watch .
IF YOU ARE FROM DETROIT and trollin here then perfect this is my trap
my secret intention is to lure you guys into reaching for Tyler so we can take Bismack or kahwi leaonard!! go ahead pass on your golden defensive opportunity called Bismack.
Let Detroit take Biyombo. I'd just as rather have Burks.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Yep, Biyombo is looking like AR 2.0 to me.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 16, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
BB is better on D and worse on O but i dont see too many similiarities.. BB seeems
alot more muscular/ stronger. AR seemed like a stick.. just like brandan wright
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 16, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I would select Jeremy Tyler over Biyombo, but neither of them at 11.
Ideally, I am hoping Fredette, Walker or Leonard falls to the Warriors. Otherwise, just take Singleton
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Jun 16, 2011 5:36 PM PDT reply actions
I would select Jeremy Tyler over Biyombo
lol. i don’t even really like biyombo but that statement is just ridiculous
because the media influences all your decision making
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Jun 16, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
youre told by every mock draft that Biyombo is better than Tyler so you call my opinion ridiculous. These pre-draft boards are not always correctly predicting the future. It’s really not that much of a reach to say that Tyler is a better fit for the Warriors than Biyombo
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Jun 16, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
am i going to believe the opinions of every scout in the nba
who watch the combine and all the workouts and have watches tons and tons of games? or am i going to believe you, who watches highlight films?
I wrote “but neither of them at 11” right after you quoted me “I would select Jeremy Tyler over Biyombo”
So you are partially agreeing with my comment but felt the need to call it ridiculous
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Jun 16, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
i am in agreement with the statement that we should not pick either
i am not even close to in agreement with the notion that tyler is a better pick than biyombo
Biyombo = Joel Anthony (heat) Tyler = Kwame Brown (bobcats)
I don’t see any future stars in these guys, but they could be serviceable..or just plain busts. I wouldn’t gamble with Tyler unless it was a late first round or second round pick.
ok fair point . who u eyeballin for the draft then?
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 16, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
With this draft you really have to do your homework..it’s like drafting in the second round. Honestly I don’t know who yet..but I don’t think Golden State needs more tweeners or deficient defenders.
Unless your homework is sure to unearth a hidden gold nugget, this is the year of all years to not take a chance by picking someone out of order. The FO is clearly looking for impact players NOW! The Warrior’s most desperate need is for a starting center. What does anyone really expect with an 11th pick in a weak draft?? And with the lockout there will be no summer camp and probably a delayed season making it even more unlikely that a rookie will make an impact.. I know it would be completely out of character for the Warriors, but this is the year to take the obvious choice and stop being a farm team for the rest the league by developing prospects. Pick anyone at our position that is thought to have dropped or the BPA. So I say draft BPA, hype him up and use him in a trade for a center or at least an impact bench player. The lock out will give the team more time to do this.
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
by KillaContract on Jun 17, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
well, nothing is for sure , that is one thing that is for sure.. Tyler is a true center with a developing outside shot
dunks are already easy for him… he fouls alot but at least he is trying .. giving the fact that we are not going to realistically make a run for the championship for a minimum of two more years (barring some miracle moves or trades) buys us plenty of time for Tyler to turn into a beast who is big enough to be presence in the paint with udoh at the 4….
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 17, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
My argument was not how good Tyler is or may be. It does not really matter to us, if they flip him in a trade. In that case his perceived value is all that matters. Tyler’s perceived value around the NBA is low. So what if Tyler can beat out Biedrins, who couldn’t? But if we can use this pick to help bring in a legit NBA center then, I like that option better (at least in the near term).
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
by KillaContract on Jun 17, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeez Pirate how do you expect us to wait 2 whole years for that Championship run? :0
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 18, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
well, its gonna be hard.. much like the last couple weeks or month of WAITING for the draft..
its less than a week and im going nuts here.. UGGGGGGG (arrrrrrrr)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 18, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
WORST DRAFT DAY CHOICE EVER
getting Bwright and letting Jrich go? stupidest thing we ever did
...And there goes the 1 man fast break
by Moneer Mujaddidi on Jun 16, 2011 11:38 PM PDT reply actions
Parrish and the McHale pick for JBC, followed by Mitch for Owens, followed by BWright for Jrich, followed by Terry for Mookie.
Of course, that doesn’t include at least 10 horribly bungled draft choices… but I’ll let FulleroverBryant lay those out for you.
by Uwe Blog on Jun 17, 2011 1:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
“Stupidest thing we ever did” could have it’s own website.
by Uwe Blog on Jun 17, 2011 1:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
FWII
That move was made for financial reasons. ‘Getting’ Bwright wasn’t the end game of the trade.
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by Butterknuckles on Jun 17, 2011 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions
are you saying that tyler would surpass this as the worst draft day move ever?
if you think so feeel free to say it.. i was counting on ppl really arguing against Tyler but so far havent found anything worthy…. outside of “scouts are low on him so he must suck” but i think his stock is reallly hurt by his past actions.
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 17, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Jeremy Tyler for SURE.
I dont like biyombo at all, i think the success of serge ibaka has made everyone feel like they cant pass on the next one. But that is a mistake, there are plenty of great athletes that dont amount to anything in the NBA. This reminds of how Nowitzki’s success lead to the drafting of darko and nikolai tskizavili as if they are just as good. I think tyler is a player with great upside, remember he was competing with real professionals when he should be destroying weak as college basketball freshman. With proper teaching of post moves and PATIENCE since it takes longer for big men to develop, he could be a real player drafted at 11. This draft is pretty weak definitely worth the flyer on tyler.
thank you... i agree and its been said many times on this sight that big men need alot of time
to develope into thier own.. and if he was putting up decent numbers in japan specially as the season started winding down he started hitting another level.. and if u seen the video of the competition in japan the guys arent total slouches they are grown men playing for alot of money. in a couple more years this guy could be dangerous and if we dont get him i hope he falls in the east
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 17, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think people want Biyombo just because of Ibaka. It’s because he’s an athletic freak who can pretty much be the wall of defense this team so desperately needs. This website has talked about defense A LOT this past season, so it’s something a lot of us value. I don’t think Tyler has the defensive upside Biyombo has.
And Biyombo played in what is considered the second best basketball league in the world. He and Tyler both played against real professionals. I don’t see why you only talk about Tyler playing against real professionals.
by Prince.Charming on Jun 18, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
darn reply fail... there should be a 5 second rule for posts to pick them up and eat them...
reply is below.. ) : i dont have the heart to retype it lol
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 18, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
We don't need Tyler
another example of bad decision making (leaving hs), appears unmotivated and has a lot of flags that have been mentioned.
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Jun 19, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
he was a kid with no father figure... now at the warriors he would be surrounded by
mark jackson and a awesome supportive staff to motivate and educate him… the boy learned some good lessons.. i think he will prove his nay sayers wrong… i sure hope we can snag him later in draft somehow but he will be gone way b4 our 44th pick
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 20, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
i think he was explaining his apparent flop in the isreali league... he really shoulda been in high school still
and i totally agree that Tyler wont have the defensive prowess of a BB . i love defense its lower scoring bball but way more satisfying when ur team plays a complete game.. i would love to win 91 -85 type games when our defense shuts them down when it counts.. and yet we still have the offense to make important shots.. Tyler has wayyy more offfensive upside than BB but still has a big enough body and long arms to be a severe presence in the paint
Something tells me that….
A. BB will go earlier than #11.
B. He he declines to workout for the W’s on this US tour of his then no chance the W’s will take him.
C. If BB’s workouts go as bad as Eurocamp he could fall to the 2nd half of the first round.
Prediction….In the 2011 NBA Draft the W’s take………Tristan Thompson or Marcus Morris or Chris Singleton……you heard it here first. ;-)
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 18, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Wasn’t there someone (was it Curry?) who didn’t workout for the Warriors, but he was still picked anyways? And I hope his workouts suck so that we can get him.
by Prince.Charming on Jun 18, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
ya, maybe its smoke and mirrors again for us lol... i just hope somebody intriguing falls to us
or we make some sort of deal on draft day… .. if jimmer goes early that could be huge in meaning that someone diff falls to us that we arent expecting… like leonard or something..
AND Only in Fairfax ~ lol nice prediction of 3 diff ppl now narrow it to one and i will be super impressed.. haha its just soooooo much of a crap shoot… even the pro scouts get this crap wrong .. hurry up thursday!!!!!
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 18, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Greg Monroe Last Year, Biyombo This year
ah the regret plus we would have more wins so we wouldnt be reaching for biyombo at 11
Biyombo not invited to green room?
did anyone else here about that? kinda suspicious, i don’t know what to make of it. has his vale really dropped off that much?
is our room the green room?
im tad pessimistic with his offensive , dribbling , and passing deficeinceis(sp) but i can get behind him if that is who we picked… but im still thinkn Tyler is the better of the two in 5 years
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 19, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I really hope he's gone by 11.
I dont want him he will fail epically here. we dont have a center that can score then we add a horrible offensive power forward no low post offense good luck.
but we still need another big.. which is my whole Tyler movement.. oh well if he drops to 44 then yay
but he will be gone before the end of the 1st…
btw, BB and Tyler are both centers.. i see them listed as power forwards sometimes too but i think they would be exclusive to the 5 spot… BB would be a role player at best.. while Tyler could be total bust or a well rounded solid center..
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 19, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Bismack Bioyombo
The Warrior era has begun...
by Moneer Mujaddidi on Jun 20, 2011 11:48 AM PDT reply actions
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