Why not Jimmer?
I would love Biyambo. We need athleticism and size down low and he's got it. But if he's gone, are we really gonna risk drafting another Anthony Randolph or Brandan Wright?
Can anybody tell me why the Warriors aren't doing workouts with Jimmer?
In this "weak draft," and having the number 11 pick, why pass on JImmer if he’s available? A risky pick? We drafted Steph Curry at number 7. What did Steph show in college that Jimmer hasn’t shown?
I think he’s gonna be a stud.
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Good point woody
I agree, and think he could be a solid 3rd guard. I think he could be a decent defender because he is coming of the bench trying to prove himself, like lin is. He can pass well and shoot like crazy.
by BeansforMVP on Jun 15, 2011 10:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Is any guard in the draft a "lock down" defender?
Jimmer never tried on D in college because his SG was an incredible defender and he needed to catch his breath/stay out of foul trouble to carry his team on the other end of the floor.
I don’t think he was a bad defender at all, he was told not to be intense. Maybe he is less experienced with D because of it, but every rookie guard needs to improve at D.
Thanks for the support Beans, but I think your name hurts our argument/credibility.
I have been saying this all along! Jimmer should be the pick if he is there! I think Sacramento might end up taking him at 7 though.
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Jun 15, 2011 10:33 PM PDT reply actions
We should take stuckey if this were the case
by BeansforMVP on Jun 15, 2011 10:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed...
How can you not take the highest scoring player in college BB?
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and at the 11th pick too??
Best Player Available at 11 will be Jimmer Fredette as long as he’s still on the board
by bigshotbob05 on Jun 15, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
reggie williams was the highest scoring player in college BB for 2 years
and he didnt even get drafted.
Ask Charlotte how that worked with Adam Morrison
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Jun 16, 2011 6:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
the only part of their game that is remotely the same is that the ball went in the basket a lot in college
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Jun 16, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Because he's a shoot-first PG and we already have two guards who can't defend the two.
Or were you asking that question rhetorically?
Obviously, BPA would be relative to who else is available at 11
But, he favored very well, athletically, in the draft combine and has been looking to take on any/all top PGs in this draft to prove himself. So far, he’s only gone up against Kemba, but he’s done quite well. Good instant-offense type off the bench, at minimum.
by Lacob's Ladder on Jun 16, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
And Jeremy Lin looked pretty good compared to Wall in workouts/summer league, etc.
I agree he might turn into a good instant-offense type of the bench. It’s just really hard to see him being more than that for a good team, and he provides a skill set that we really just don’t need.
We already have Curry, Monta, and Reggie. Offense from the guard position is the absolute lowest priority we could possibly have – bench or otherwise. We just don’t need it.
Agreed that he's not a great fit now
But, if we move Monta or Curry, he becomes much more interesting for us.
Also, Jimmer and Curry’s college production look just about similar, no?
by Lacob's Ladder on Jun 16, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
beasley's production was similar (actually better) than KD and melo
college stats don’t always translate to the nba
But, if we move Monta or Curry, he becomes much more interesting for us.
I’m not sure I see it. Let’s say we move Monta for Iggy. We still have Reggie in the gunner-off-the-bench role.
On the other hand, let’s say we move Monta for Josh Smith (seems unlikely to me, but it’s one of the trades being discussed on the board). Then we have a starting backcourt of Curry/Reggie (if josh plays mostly 4/5) – again, no need for Jimmer there. A third guard to complement them would be a big defensive guy. Or if Josh plays a lot of 3 (which I doubt) then Dorell is our starting two and Reggie is back in his gunner-off-the-bench role.
How does Jimmer fit into that?
Also, Jimmer and Curry’s college production look just about similar, no?
Not really. Career TS% – remember Curry only had three years, Jimmer had four, so he’s a year younger/his freshman year is weighted less in this:
JImmer: .596 (very good). Steph: .620 (f’ing fantastic).
Also, in fewer minutes per game in their final seasons (Steph was about 33.5. Jimmer almost 36):
Assists:
Steph: 5.6
Jimmer: 4,3
Rebounds:
Steph: 4.4
Jimmer: 3.4
Steph was clearly better.
In evaluating numbers between the two, you have to consider their conferences, competition, and teammates. Steph was relied upon to do almost everything on that team. Jimmer had a far tougher conference, competition, and better teammates. His role was the scorer.
Not knocking Steph, but his numbers probably wouldn’t have been as favorable if he had played for BYU.
by Lacob's Ladder on Jun 16, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
You make a good point.
And that’s the fly-in-the-ointment of college basketball comparisons. The talent level is so varied.
On the other hand, having more good teammates means that Jimmer should have shot less, been able to pick his spots more … and yet his TS% is worse. It means that the guys he was passing to should have been better at finishing, so his assists should be higher.
How do you balance that against the strength of the competition?
Honestly, I don’t know. I don’t watch enough college basketball – I pretty much only watch the NBA these days – to talk intelligently about how things like style, opposition, and teammates affected their production.
So while you make a good point in this post, I don’t think as clear cut as you say it is one way or the other, and your earlier point – that their production was “just about similar” is still a bit of a stretch.
It’s obviously difficult (impossible?) to determine which variable affects which outcome, but I would argue that a lower TS% (by ~2%) probably has more to do with the strength of competition and types of athletes Jimmer was shooting against being substantially better than those Steph faced.
Rebound differential could, again, come down to ability of teammates and strength of competition.
I think you’ve got me on assists, though. Other than being asked to score more than pass, I can’t make a great argument for the difference there.
Those factors considered, I don’t think it’s much of a stretch, actually.
by Lacob's Ladder on Jun 16, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Mountain West is not much stronger than Southern Conference. BYU’s 4th year, had the uprising of SDSU. Mountain West is stronger, but not by much.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
Huh?!?
UNLV, SDSU, Utah, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, Wyoming, TCU, Air Force
vs.
Western Carolina, Chattanooga, Appalachian State, Elon, UNC Greensboro, Samford, College of Charleston, Wofford, Furman, Davidson, The Citadel, Georgia Southern.
What are you on??
by Lacob's Ladder on Jun 16, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Why, Jimmer?
Oh wait nevermind, he’s a shooter, can’t play defense, and is turnover prone. Perfect for the Warrior backcourt!
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
Are other guards in the draft good defenders?
I think 95% of players take a few years to find their own on defense in the NBA. 10% of the NBA are good defenders, 10% are HORRIBLE defenders, the other 80% are just filling space. JImmer will fill space.
As for turnovers, Jimmer was triple covered every game and the who defensive strategy was to “stop Jimmer.” I see him as an incredible spot up shooter who can make plays.
We need defense for sure.
We need a BIG. But if we get a guard, I want this guy.
Jimmer will fill space
But he’ll be CLOSE, real close to that 10%. Jimmer put’s absolutely no heart or effort into defense and he is almost never in any defensive stance. If Mountain West opponents can make Jimmer look foolish at BYU, I can’t imagine how bad the NBA will expose his defense further.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
what does jimmer add
that the warriors do not already have an abundance of? Scorer? Outside shooter?
What proof is there that Jimmer is not a HORRIBLE defender? I dont care what his role on offense was. If he cared about winning (which im sure he did) he would not have just given up on defense. He does not have the size or athleticism to defend in the NBA. end of story.
Jimmer is nice!! just not in GSW, there’s barely enough shots to go around now…
by Brothaplease09 on Jun 16, 2011 12:06 AM PDT reply actions
I'll pass.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Jun 16, 2011 12:09 AM PDT reply actions
funny thing is
We had barea in camp a few yrs back
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Jun 16, 2011 11:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's really, really low on our list of priorities right now.
Bench scoring is far less important to this team than defensive help or just an overall talent upgrade.
It may not be possible to get somebody who’s more than a bench scorer in the draft at this point, but really, if Jimmer’s as good as you’re going to do then I’d much rather take a flyer on a big man with upside.
I saw this Mike Bibby amnesia during the Finals
People had forgotten the Mike Bibby at his peak as a Sac. King in the playoffs where, for a couple games at least, he was imposing his will and the best player on the floor among Shaq, Kobe, and CWebb.
He has certainly fallen off since then, and has more than a passing resemblance to Harpo Marx, but if Steph Curry’s ceiling is anywhere near Bibby at his best I’ll be overjoyed.
by whoarethewarriors on Jun 16, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, Jimmer is exactly who we need. A guy who takes 20+ shots a game, a guy who will have to be an undersized 2 in the NBA. Can you just imagine a Jimmer/Curry backcourt, we would give up 130+ points every game. He is only effective with the ball in his hands IMO, we are trying to let Steph run the show and drafting Jimmer makes NO sense. You cant have Curry, Ellis and Fredette on the same team, just thinking about that makes me want to cry.
GSW-FTW
by OaklandsFinest30 on Jun 16, 2011 12:26 AM PDT reply actions
Did I mention he plays no defense?
He fits right in.
GSW-FTW
by OaklandsFinest30 on Jun 16, 2011 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Curry and Ellis are our only shot at getting a GOOD big man.
If Jimmer is 80% as good as Curry or Ellis (whoever you think is better), we could trade one of them and still have a solid backcourt.
Or we could just trade Monta
keep curry, and don’t draft Jimmer. I personally want us to keep Ellis.
GSW-FTW
by OaklandsFinest30 on Jun 17, 2011 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
We have the superior version of Jimmer
we have Stephen Curry, he is a little better than Jimmer at everything that Jimmer does well. Also where is the “risk” at no. 11 I mean who cares if we draft Biyimbo and he doesn’t pan out. Any organization betting their future on the no. 11 pick is doing something dreadfully wrong. At 11 you pick the player with the most talent who could help your team in the long run.
I know Jimmer is an exciting player and I am definitely looking forward to seeing him play in the NBA, but honestly the last thing we need is a defensively handicapped combo guard. I would also like to state that I am not really a huge fan of Burkes and I am not a pro-Thompson person either. Even in that case I would draft Burkes ahead of Jimmer to me they are about equal players as far as helping the team win, but Burkes actually fits with the team.
Biyimbo could potentially be as good as Tyson Chandler who in my opinion is a star in this league. We already have Stephen Curry we don’t need someone who has an upside of Stephen Curry, we need someone who has an upside that can actually help us.
"Why not Jimmer"
‘cause he’s garbage.
by fuller over bryant on Jun 16, 2011 9:27 AM PDT reply actions
That's why he got national player of the year right?
Good argument
by BeansforMVP on Jun 16, 2011 2:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
didn't adam morrison get national player of the year too?
basically its meaningless
Kevin Durant also got it
Jimmer- the new durant
pick defence first
We should pick defence first if we can but if Jimmer is an option then why the hell not. He’s a great scorer and would be great for the team
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