I Am Appalled and Bewildered
by steffun4tw on Jun 19, 2011 9:58 PM PDT
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PrintThe extent to which our beloved Golden State Warriors have, quite simply, sucked, has been well chronicled. We haven't won a championship in around 40 years, but many teams have yet to win a championship. The problem is, obviously, our single Playoff appearance in the last 17 years.
Longtime Warrior fans will attest to the fact that it has been too long since the Warriors have had any sort of promise for the future, a player with the capability of lifting this team to the promised land. Heck, we haven't had an all-star in over a decade. In 2007, we finally experienced some success, albeit with one of the most unusual lineups ever, one not built for sustained winning over a long period of time. Still, we loved the feeling of relevancy around the league. We Believe gave us Warrior fans a moment of glory, when the entire world formally recognized and commended the team we love.
Unfortunately, our management has sucked, horribly. In addition to many unbelievable moves prior to 2007, they gave away Jason Richardson, didn't offer Baron Davis enough money. Management quite literally blew up the one moment us fans were finally proud of.
This had us calling for Cohan's head, and thankfully, he eventually sold the team to Guber and Lacob. These two come in with bold plans, promising a Playoff appearance in just their second season. Just as they bought the team, they were able to bring in David Lee, a trade that was much heralded at the time, but since has been disapproved of. They brought in an all-star, who was a major part of our 6-2 start, and due to no more than a freak injury under-performed for much of the season. Why is it that the general consensus around here is that people want him out? The man is overpaid, but it was management's first great trade in many years (The Indiana trade in 2007 just happened to work out extremely well for us). Let them get used to making good moves, iron out the wrinkles.
I am appalled and bewildered.
This summer, rumors have been constantly surfacing discussing the Golden State Warriors, the same team we all know and love, as players in major potential trades around the league. Be it Andre Iguodala, one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, Rudy Gay, one of the most explosive, or even Dwight Freakin' Howard, one of the best, the Warriors are taking risks and trying to go big.
What has the fan reaction been? Monta Ellis is better than Iguodala. Why do we need to trade for Rudy Gay if we have Dorell Wright?
If we trade for Dwight Howard, we'll have an ultra-thin roster and won't be able to compete with the best in the league.
Seriously?
We've practically been on our hands and knees begging management to acquire great players for years. Now that we finally have competent owners and advisers, trying to make moves and be better, people have the guts to have this reaction?
Why do so many people need to be so damn pessimistic?
Let's look at the glass half full for once:
Andre Iguodala is a perimeter defensive stopper. This fact is undisputed. Where he ranks is undecided upon, but people know he is great at what he does. Look at any of the Conference champions of the past 30 years. How many of them did not have a legit perimeter defensive stopper? Now, how many of them had an under-sized shooting guard with awful defense who couldn't consistently make plays for others? Taking this even further, so I won't be accused of hating on Monta: How many of them had their main playmaker be someone who is turnover prone, lacks in quickness and athleticism, and is pretty darn bad at the defensive end?
Is it really that bad an idea to try to build our team based on the success of all the past champions?
Rudy Gay is a great wing scorer. Monta Ellis is a great wing scorer. The difference is Rudy Gay is better defensively and, well, is much, much bigger and stronger. No need to go into specifics.
Dwight Howard. This dude is the best center in the world right now. He's the best defensive player in the league with a developing offensive arsenal. He is feared as an opponent around the league and his presence single-handedly puts Orlando in the title conversation year in and year out.
Management is trying to trade for one of the best players in the world. We haven't had one of the best players in the world in decades. I'd trade our entire team for Dwight Howard if it was allowed. He's that good. Bringing him here would give us national respect, easing our ability to bring in other stars, giving us the opportunity to experience lasting success.
The Golden State Warriors have finally entered a new era, one that involves a will and desire to win. For those of you afraid of change, you must accept the fact that this is for the better.
If you want another 20 years of no more than mediocrity, cheer for a different team. I want the Warriors to win. Our management is finally pursuing that very goal. Let's support them with all we've got.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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LOL
we’re so close
yeah, all we need is one guy (who happens to be an all-world talent, filling one of the toughest positions to fill in the NBA)
But I kinda feel you on this. There were some times last year when I thought the same thing: the Dubs just need a tweak or two to really be competitive with the top-tier teams.
But more often than not, it was our ongoing inability to play defense, rebound, or reliably run an offensive set that seemed to bring us down
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 20, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
When did Andris become our blackest starter?
Dude needs to get out of the tanning bed and onto a basketball court…
by tafkasam on Jun 19, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
LOL
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
$32,744,000
and climbing
'No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.' -Peter Griffin
by Butterknuckles on Jun 20, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
"Didn't offer Baron Davis enough money"
Please elaborate.
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Jun 19, 2011 11:06 PM PDT reply actions
um
well, I’m pretty sure the reason he bolted for the Clippers is because they offered him more money than us
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
it was more because it was closer to home and family for him
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Jun 20, 2011 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
No, he took less to be a Clipper and play with his buddy Brand. He opted out of his contract.
by Uwe Blog on Jun 20, 2011 2:25 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
numerous reasons
life aint that simple folks, there is no magic bullet “One Reason”
yes,
-more money
-longer contract
-close to home and family
-close to Hollywood (to support his film interest)
-endured watching the We Believe team fall apart
…btw, anybody see his documentary?
Is it good?
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 20, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
lets be honest
He took less per year. but more gauranteed over a longer contract, and the Clips have already regretted it and were forced to unload him.
for a guy with a bad knee they made the right choice… but then they panicked and bought Corey Maggette.
by EastRiverWarrior on Jun 20, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Baron leaving Warriors offer on table is best thing that ever happened
to the Warriors … and Baron. Baron knew it was going to be his last contract, and he wanted the most years for the most money. The Warriors were prepared to offer a lot, but LA came in with a 5th year at the last moment.
Baron plays when its convenient for him. His years with the Warriors he was playing for his livelihood (his last contract) and had to re-establish himself. He fell into a good situation that featured him, and to his credit, he made the most of it.
But Baron is old for his age, bad knees, bad attitude, bad work ethic (fatty!) and only the worst organization on the planet was willing to give him all that cheddar. Look at him now: fat, overweight, uninspired … did I mention he’s fat? Davis’ game went right down the toilet the moment he signed that deal. Warriors fans should have known it. How the Cavs will deal with his apathy for basketball will be fun to watch.
"I don't know a (expletive) Jew who would have the balls to say that. Let me just get this straight. You don't ever tip, huh?" -- Chris Penn, from Reservoir Dogs
I am glad we didn’t let Baron steal all that money
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Jun 20, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
hindsight is 20/20
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
This really isn’t a case of hindsight, imho. Loads of people at the time were extremely wary of giving a pricy long-term deal to Baron, given his history of injury, poor conditioning, and sporadic motivation. Though he had performed well overall in ‘07/08, he was benched late in the season — in a key game with playoff implications — for his lack of effort. There were very clear signs that, for all his moments of brilliance, he wasn’t the type of player to whom you want hitch your team’s wagon, long-term.
Of course, these concerns were all borne out almost immediately with the Clips. Indeed, his performance was so far below the level of his contract that the Clips ended up stapling an unprotected #1 pick to him (what turned out to be the the #1 pick overall) just to be rid of him.
By the end of ’07/08, “We Believe” was done. For me, the main error we made at that juncture was not letting BD walk, but immediately turning around and spending our newfound salary space on a kinda-sorta-good vet (Maggette) rather than staying flexible and committing to a full rebuild.
Clearly, the Ws have made a ton of dumb personnel moves in the past 17 years (and long before that!), but not all of them have been dumb to the same degree, or for the same reasons. When you try to lump them all together to support a simple point, you end up glossing over a ton of important nuances and building a few unfortunate strawmen (your suggestion that there are a significant number of Ws fans who wouldn’t sell the farm for Dwight Howard, e.g.)
I totally agree with you that Monta-for-Iguodala would be a big win for us. At the same time, others here have argued that dumping Monta would amount to giving up on a proven, talented, beloved veteran — not terribly different from the decisions to jettison JRich and Baron that you bemoan. Others have also argued that using our best veteran trading chip on Iguodala might hamper our efforts at landing a big prize like Howard.
I think it’s always best to judge each personnel move — past and potential — on the merits, as each has its own peculiar logic, motives, and consequences. This approach may not make for a dramatic “appalling and bewildering” narrative (in a fanpost, e.g.) but it has the distinct advantage of hewing closely to reality. Reality has a way of not fitting neatly into narratives.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 21, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rudy Gay is a great wing scorer. Monta Ellis is a great wing scorer. The difference is Rudy Gay is better defensively and, well, is much, much bigger and stronger. No need to go into specifics.
Neither is good. I don’t want either. But your whole post is well taken. I’ve been seeing on twitter warrior fans saying they won’t take anything less than a current all star, a lottery pick, and a future all star for Monta. Needless to say, i don’t think many Warrior fans will be happy with anything less than a Kobe, Lebron, or Dwight for Monta.
KOBE BRYANT IS DA GREA-TEST PLAYER IN DA HIS-TORY OF DA NBA- Warriors Head Coach Mark Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 19, 2011 11:18 PM PDT reply actions
Just as they bought the team, they were able to bring in David Lee, a trade that was much heralded at the time, but since has been disapproved of. They brought in an all-star, who was a major part of our 6-2 start, and due to no more than a freak injury under-performed for much of the season. Why is it that the general consensus around here is that people want him out?
Cmon man, you’ve heard why many times this wasn’t a great trade.
KOBE BRYANT IS DA GREA-TEST PLAYER IN DA HIS-TORY OF DA NBA- Warriors Head Coach Mark Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 19, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
No offense, but who did we lose again?
Anthony Randolph? He’s playing with icicles in Minnesota.
Ronny Turiaf? I love him, but he’s nothing more than spark plug to give a few solid minutes here and there.
Azubuike? I don’t remember what he looks like in a uniform, I feel like he’s a coach in his suit all the time.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
umm let's see...
a LOT of cap space without a type of player that usually gets a LOT of money. He only got a LOT of money because we suck.
by SDtotheBay on Jun 19, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He only got a LOT of money because we suck.
Well this a micro-example of what it takes to get a decent player here. I would be willing to bet that there would been a wave of harsh reaction here if Riley explained that the W’s were offered and passed on David Lee because he was a bit “too expensive”. Except for the AR dreamers of course. Easy to “now” complain that that we should have stayed with a masterplan of sucking even worse and having a #7 pick.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 20, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Turiaf's as good as Lee which is saying something.
He plays good defense, and his offense isn’t a negative. You can’t say the same for Lee. His offense is good and his defense is horrific.
AR is a young, developing piece which could be used to trade for a player like Dwight.
And we lost a ton of cap space for a player who makes it nearly impossible to put most centers next to him.
KOBE BRYANT IS DA GREA-TEST PLAYER IN DA HIS-TORY OF DA NBA- Warriors Head Coach Mark Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 20, 2011 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Fine, I won't argue more
What the trade DID do is set the tone that this management means business. They’re wiling to make risky moves, have a “go big or go home” attitude, and want to win. If that means making a mistake on their FIRST attempt, I’m all for it. Miami will tell you it takes more than one move to build a contender.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Lacob and Gruber had little to nothing to do with that trade
That trade was done under the Cohan regime, and may have been a last-ditch effort by Larry Riley in an attempt to keep his job by making the most impact, or hardest mess to clean up out of a single move.
'No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.' -Peter Griffin
by Butterknuckles on Jun 20, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Lacob/Guber approved that trade
there was no way cohan was going to make a move that the new owners wouldn’t approve right before he sold the team
True, Lacob gave his "enthusiastic approval"
My point mainly was that the new ownership was in no way instrumental to brokering that trade.
'No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.' -Peter Griffin
by Butterknuckles on Jun 21, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
eh, sort of
i agree with most of that, but its not impossible to put a center next to him. if theres one thing d lee is good at, it’s rebounding. finding a center with a more defensive emphasis rather than rebounding is difficult, but it narrows down the search to guys who can focus on defense and scoring rather than the boards. so many centers today are solely used for yanking down rebounds.
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Jun 20, 2011 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
We're capped out committing to 3 non-allstars
(Lee, Monta, Biedrins)
anyway you slice it, bonehead business move
by tafkasam on Jun 20, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Very depressing. Warriors have such a small margin for error in the draft because of this.
Lee + Monta + Bean ~ 31 Million (& Lee’s contract increases)
& each of those contracts has so many years.
beans and ellis are done in 3 years.... we will have space.. right about when we
should be looking for a major push for a championship
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 20, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
lol. I hope you're right =)
Two years from now, I’ll be eagerly checking out the FA available. Beans + Ellis off the books = $20 million dollars off the payroll @ one shot.
I’m sure $20M can bring a franchise type of player (if available). With Curry improving, this franchise player will see the opportunity to join a team with a very good PG which is even more opportunities to look good.
EXACTLY 20 mil could bring in top tier talent.. and like u say if
curry is solid.. and maybe D W is solid we could maybe find a solid shooting guard and get this fabled center type guy some how..
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 22, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I like that
two years ago Monta and Biedrins had sweet contracts. $9 million non-escalating for a good center? You’d take that any day. And then he turned into a really bad center.
You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 20, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Re: Lee. While I was part of the ~45% who was against the Lee for AR/Ronny/Buke trade, I’m confident Lee will have a much better upcoming season if healthy. Still not likely to warrant his salary but I think we’ll at least feel better about it.
Re: Monta. To be fair, I think the general consensus among GSOMers has been positive regarding moving Monta for Iguodala. I would say that local media (or other blogs(?)) seem to be more against the trade. I do understand why there is some hesitation (b/c some feel like the move just wouldn’t be enough to warrant the salary), but if the front office has inside information/a strong gut feeling about the new CBA and understand how to be imaginative enough not to handcuffed by his heavy salary then I would agree to pull the trigger.
Re: Howard. Unequivocally agree. Even if we would be ‘capped out’. Even if we send Monta and Steph. We haven’t had a top five player in the league since…… who knows. As long as he signs an extension, we might not be able to make any more moves for the upcoming year but a smart team would find ways to build around him in the years to come.
Thanks
Lee: I was for the trade and I still love it. Like you said, he won’t be worth the money, but pair him with a defensive-minded, big center (a la Dwight, but probably not Dwight haha) and he’ll be as good a complementary a PF as you could want, potentially playing at an all-star level if used properly.
Monta: You’re right, but this is more about people opposing the idea of making a risky move, one that can potentially pay off big time. This post is more fore for the doubters than the believers.
Howard: Yes.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Howard will not sign an extension for a bad team that gave away all of their "best" players to get him.
Heck he would not come here if we had this team locked along with the cap space to get him.
Anyone feeling that the owners “let us down” by not finding a way to get him is dilusional at best.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 20, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a gamble
When I see Curry, Lee, Howard…. I see offensive potential set. If we surround them with good defensive players that team could go deep.
But that depends mostly on your perception of how well can Curry develop.
Not much of a gamble
Howard is a franchise cornerstone type of talent!
I would say you gotta do pretty much anything you can to acquire him.
Even if we are talking about a one year rental, I’d still expand maximum effort to make something happen
Sadly, I just think any package the Dubs could offer would not be as good as what other teams could propose
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 20, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Lol at people still using our 6-2 start to excuse the awful trade and contract given to Lee
The reason we were 6-2 is because Monta was putting up MVP numbers and we played weak teams.
this line of thinking usually comes from 06-07 bandwagoners who don’t realize that winning 36 games w/o a young star (Lebron, Dwight, CP3, Rose, Durant, Blake, etc) is infinitely worse than winning 26-29 games (though those 2 seasons were marred with epic record setting injuries for missed games).
these are mostly the same people who applauded the Corey Maggette signing (at the time) as well. most who were fans from before know that these decent vet types that keep you away from the bottom, but aren’t good enough to get you to the playoffs is how you end up going 18 years with only 1 playoff appearance in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results."
by the evil monkey on Jun 19, 2011 11:58 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
the howard rumors are not true
and i agree, i think that if iggy or dwight is in fact available, we take them. i think we all forget how garbage the magic really are, and how they truly are a testament to a one man team.
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
You think they're not true?
Magic’s GM probably laughed in our faces, but I don’t doubt that the Warriors at least called them. Regardless, it’s nice that for once people are excited and interested in what the Warriors might do, and most of the rumors swirling around pus us in a better position to get players that will help us succeed.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
dwight is in fact available, we take them
Sounds easy to me Boom! get it done Lacob. I love making decisions. Where’s my latte Kirk.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 20, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
You are joking right?
Management is trying to trade for one of the best players in the world. We haven’t had one of the best players in the world in decades. I’d trade our entire team for Dwight Howard if it was allowed. He’s that good. Bringing him here would give us national respect, easing our ability to bring in other stars, giving us the opportunity to experience lasting success..
He’s definitely going to opt out of his contract. I’m not trading half the roster for a one-year rental. There’s no guarantee that he will re-sign.
In addition, after we trade half our players, including either Monta or Curry, Dwight has no reason to stay. If he stays, we’ll basically be capped out with his max contract and Lee’s contract, assuming we want to keep Curry/Monta (whichever one is not traded). He won’t “bring in other stars” – he’ll leave to join other stars, not stay for a capped-out roster that can only make marginal improvements. He already tried that out in Orlando. Didn’t work.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
are you sure?
He’s definitely going to opt out of his contract. I’m not trading half the roster for a one-year rental.
one the other hand, we just converted Monta and Beans into expiring contracts…
Sure, it cost us Udoh, but we get Dwight fricken Howard to play with Steph for a year
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 20, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
In addition, after we trade half our players, including either Monta or Curry, Dwight has no reason to stay.
This still works for us as a way to clear out those expensive players that we do not want…ha, ha Orlando is so dumb!
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 20, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
All we have to do is "demand" thay Orlando take Beans, Lee and Monta for Dwight.
We he bolts before the next season…Boom we rebuild…so simple……or wait I gotta great idea…at the Feb. trade deadline we trade him for Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 20, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
yeah, I think the real cost would be Hedo or Arenas tagging along with Dwight
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 20, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
If Howard leaves
we get hella cap space and we get put in a position to truly rebuild instead of continuing being a mid-30 win team annually
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Hey haven’t the Warriors always been a “rebuilding team?” It never appears to change.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jun 20, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
not necessarily
we’ve always been between rebuilding and “trying” to contend. True rebuilding would involve blowing up all the big contracts and starting over. The Warriors are always trying to make that one or two moves that may or may not get us into the postseason. They’ve succeeded once in nearly 20 years, so people refer to them as a “rebuilding team”, but that moniker does not fully apply when you break it down.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
by steffun4tw on Jun 20, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
long time fans can attest.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
unless Jerry West is *actually* a magician
I don’t see any way we get Dwight Howard. Just ain’t happening.
LA can easily offer Bynum, which would be better than anything we can offer.
OKC could offer Harden, Ibaka, and Perkins, again, better than what we can offer.
Memphis could probably offer Gasol and Gay, and that would be better than anything we can offer.
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"It’s not all about stats…you’ve probably never played basketball in your life. There are things called intangibles. He is what you call a winner. Led his team to a national title. We need people who know how to win. He obviously has to be doing something right." (dhod)
"When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely in your thoughts advanced to the state of science." (Lord Kelvin)
If I were OKC, I’d see if they bite on Westbrook, Ibaka and Perkins. Westbrook can be an absolute beast, but when he goes into hero/takeover mode, I think he often subtracts more than he adds (ME8 says, “hi.”). A quiet, complementary PG like Maynor might actually suit their roster better.
Maynor
Harden
Durant
Collison
DHoward
+ a half-decent bench
= championship, imho.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 20, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Orlando might want Harden for the same reasons, though
either way, it’s a far superior package than we could every offer them
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"It’s not all about stats…you’ve probably never played basketball in your life. There are things called intangibles. He is what you call a winner. Led his team to a national title. We need people who know how to win. He obviously has to be doing something right." (dhod)
"When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely in your thoughts advanced to the state of science." (Lord Kelvin)
Obviously you would bite on moving anyone aside from Durant
Personally i’m surprised they aren’t exploring a Westbrook + something package for Paul. New Orleans will move him instead of letting him go for free.
Seems to me
…that Orlando is better off letting Dwight go for nothing, have a year of suck, draft another stud at #1.
@DoctorKajita
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 20, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Then again
…they need to offload those contracts, specifically Gilbert. I wouldn’t say it’s the only way, but a good way to do that is to package him with Dwight. Still, it seems Orlando is doomed for years of mediocrity.
@DoctorKajita
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 20, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Sleepy you sound like you have a new team crush. Their jerseys still suck.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
yeah, that trade offer is pretty insulting, IMO
the rumor, if true, is the kinda thing I would do in NBA2k (where you could force the trade)
I don’t know, maybe we thing their GM/Ownership group is the next Kahn?
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 20, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Just because the trade is unrealistic
doesn’t mean we should bash our management for trying. I never said the trade is gonna happen, I’m arguing that we should support the concept of attempting to trade for stars.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Just because the trade is unrealistic
doesn’t mean we should bash our management for trying.
this reminds me of the guy at a party, just walking around asking girls if they want to have sex.
The embarrassment of the 99% failure rate is more than covered by the glory of the 1% chance at victory
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 20, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
At this point I am just trusting the Ownership and Management
They have so far impressed me with their bold moves and will support them 100%. Lacob and Guber FTW!
by mackrveli on Jun 20, 2011 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
What bold moves?
Nothing personel wise, just people.
KOBE BRYANT IS DA GREA-TEST PLAYER IN DA HIS-TORY OF DA NBA- Warriors Head Coach Mark Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 20, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Technically
It’s personnel with two n’s and personnel are people.
“Personnel” can mean front office, coaching staff, trainers, scouts, as well as players — basically, anyone who is employed by the organization is considered personnel.
There is a Director of Player Personnel, who Travis Schlenk was recently promoted to.
But when speaking specifically about roster spots, they seem to be defined as “players,” who also are people except for Chris Kaman, who is a caveman. But, this is so easy, even he can do it™
@DoctorKajita
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 20, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Dont underestimate West
He made the trade for Gasol happen, although I do fear that the Warriors are thinking he can do the same for us – which he probably cannot.
No he didn't.
He didn’t make the Gasol trade.
KOBE BRYANT IS DA GREA-TEST PLAYER IN DA HIS-TORY OF DA NBA- Warriors Head Coach Mark Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 20, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
it was a pretty shady thing
West was involved in it. Not on the Lakers or Grizzlies side, but as a 3rd party who helped the trade along.
You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 20, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
IIRC
he directed the GM of the Grizzlies to the Lakers.
You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 20, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I never heard that.
KOBE BRYANT IS DA GREA-TEST PLAYER IN DA HIS-TORY OF DA NBA- Warriors Head Coach Mark Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 20, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I could be making it up
or been willing to believe anything after everything I heard about the drafting of Kobe Bryant.
You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 20, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Love David Lee's game but...
The Warriors need to be willing to blow it all up (with the exception of Curry and Ellis), but I think they will try to make baby steps, and might only creep into the playoffs in two years and wallow in mediocrity again.
Lee gives up way more on defense than he gets you on offense. Can you imagine Don Nelson wanted to play Lee at the center last year. He said that’s when management stopped talking to him and when he knew they were gonna can him. Why should he have been surprised?
"I don't know a (expletive) Jew who would have the balls to say that. Let me just get this straight. You don't ever tip, huh?" -- Chris Penn, from Reservoir Dogs
fixed for you
The Warriors need to be willing to blow it all up(with the exception of Curry and Ellis)
no one should be untouchable on our roster. I think that the way our team is built right now, we are sorely lacking in enough areas that we may need to honestly evaluate the resources available to improve.
Monta has limited value (IMHO)….I think I saw a quote in a recent article…here we go:
“Nobody is saying, ‘What will it take to get Monta Ellis?’ " Riley said. “There have been mild inquiries where people would try to steal him, because they think his name is out there.”
It’s pretty clear to me that Steph is our most sought after player; if we really are willing to “blow it all up” I think it is only reasonable to include Steph in the potential blow-up
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 21, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Monta is a perfect blow it up candidate
he’s a contract.
You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 21, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The Warriors need to be willing to blow it all up (with the exception of Curry and Ellis)
building a team around steph AND monta is never going to work
Agree with the post
Warriors management has sucked for years, but so has the knowledge and judgment of much of its fanbase over that time. (see all those people who were heralding the J Rich for B. Wright trade as a GOOD trade), etc etc.
Seems there will always be a percentage of fans who don’t have a clue about the game (which is fine) and are homers of the players more than anything, their views tainted by their blind love. Such as fans of Monta Ellis. So many fans see this guy as some dominant player when he is actually someone who has benefited from the W’s system, has inflated stats, is on the Kevin Martin / Jason Terry 1-dimensional level, and plays ZERO defense (nor has he ever demonstrated the capability to play it), and him being “the man” these last few years has translated to little team success.
Bottom line…Curry / Iggy > Curry / Ellis when it comes to the only stat that counts…WINS.
It’s really refreshing to see a post that’s not taking off from fantasy land. Curry is our greatest asset, but his low-low contract and the promise he shows makes him basically untouchable. Yeah, I would trade Dwight Howard or Chris Paul for him, but not much else.
by OrangeRevolution on Jun 21, 2011 8:50 PM PDT reply actions
Prove this... (emphasis mine)
In 2007, we finally experienced some success, albeit with one of the most unusual lineups ever, one not built for sustained winning over a long period of time.
No relation to Matt Cain...
by Caine Black Knife on Jun 29, 2011 3:26 PM PDT reply actions
Well ...
“proof” is one thing, but -
It was a team built around the talents of a particular player, who after his first three years in the league only managed to stay healthy for a full season once, in part due to a series of chronic back and knee problems and in part due to a questionable work ethic.
It was a team that had one legitimate big man, and thus no ability to match up with teams that could bang the paint effectively.
I think that both of those suggest the team was going to have trouble generating any sort of sustained postseason success.
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