2011 NBA Draft Results Poll: Grade The Golden State Warriors' Selections Of Charles Jenkins, Klay Thompson And Jeremy Tyler
by Nate Parham on Jun 23, 2011 9:26 PM PDT
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PrintThe Golden State Warriors selected Washington State guard Klay Thompson with the 11th pick in the first round, 6-foot-2 Hofstra guard Charles Jenkins with their second round pick, and made a trade for center Jeremy Tyler who has an interesting story about his path to the NBA.
Check out the links below for more information on each player, but more importantly: vote.
What Klay Thompson Offers The Golden State Warriors - Golden State Of Mind
With Klay Thompson a Warrior, Where Does That Leave Monta Ellis? - SB Nation Bay Area
Klay Thompson Selected By The Golden State Warriors - CougCenter
Klay Thompson Picked By Golden State Warriors - SB Nation Seattle
#44 Charles Jenkins, G, Hofsta (6-foot-3, Senior)
Warriors take Hofstra's Jenkins with 44th pick - WSJ.com
DraftExpress NBA Draft Prospect Profile: Charles Jenkins, Stats, Comparisons, and Outlook
Jenkins keeps brother's dream alive all the way to NBA - NBA - CBSSports.com Basketball
#39 (via trade with Charlotte Bobcats) Jeremy Tyler, C (6-foot-11)
The Associated Press: Warriors buy 2nd-rounder from Bobcats, take Tyler
The Warriors’ $2M bet on Jeremy Tyler: How things have changed | Talking Points
Jeremy Tyler, The 2011 NBA Draft And Highlights From Japan - Ridiculous Upside
Is Jeremy Tyler Really A Better 2011 NBA Draft Prospect Than Michael Dunigan? - Ridiculous Upside
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F--- FO Office better have a blockbuster trade planned after this draft performance!
So, let’s see what we have done in this draft so far. We passed up on some quality big men such as Leonard, Singleton, Morris, and Vucevic, and used our #11 pick to get Thompson, when in fact, later, we picked Jenkins who is another shooting guard, more efficient than Thompson! I sure hope that there is some trade strategy and agenda, or else, we have royally scr——ing this draft up!
Thompson is going to be a better defender at the 2, I predict. He does have very good length, too, and he looks to be developing an NBA range 3 pointer. Jenkins is a tweener and is 23 years old, so I wouldn’t be hanging my hat on him to be better than Thompson at the 2. Jenkins is a backup 1/2.
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Charles Jenkins
Will be able to drive on any point guard. His strength and size make it difficult to recover. His combination of control, handling, power, and scoring touch will be trialing for most 1’s.
He doesn’t have a selfish nature. It’s extremely difficult to counter a player’s mindset if he’s been playing a certain way all of his life. Rather, he will now be surrounded by an elite coaching staff who can encourage him to hone his talents distributing the ball.
Having smart off-guards like Klay and Curry (at times) make that transition a little easier.
Ellis obviously takes tremendous pressure off the ball as well. Jenkins gives him a great option off the drive and knows how to move the ball around the perimeter.
We passed up on some quality big men such as Leonard, Singleton, Morris,
Leonard is a wing, Morris prefers his outside game, and Singleton is best suited at small forward. Who were these quality big men?
we picked Jenkins who is another shooting guard, more efficient than Thompson!
I’m very excited about Jenkins. He’s not a shooting guard.
Wonder what Mark Jackson thinks
He’s got a great assist to turnover ratio. The primary reason people discount his skills as a point guard is because he was deferred to so much for his scoring prowess at Hofstra.
He’s an all-time scorer at the school, so naturally he’s going to be asked to score more than distribute.
All the scouting reports insist that he’s not a selfish player. Most actually go further to describe him as extremely unselfish. I can guarantee that you’ll be surprised with his instincts passing the ball. Mark Jackson will have an excellent go with him.
Singleton can guard positions 1-4 and has a decent jumpshot
Shooters come out in every draft, how often does a 6’9 defender come out that can guard positions 1-4?
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
B
Thompson is a C+, and the 2nd rounders are an A.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 23, 2011 9:29 PM PDT reply actions
I'd give the Thompson pick a C-
The 2nd Rounders are an A for me though.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
Yeah.
I’d say this is close to what i think but C- to C+ isn’t a big difference.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 23, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
In my class, that’s the difference between failing a class and being a genius in it lol.
by Prince.Charming on Jun 23, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree Gov
Tyler helps my pain…I still wanted Markieff myself….and wonder if a 2 was in order then will Burks be the the better defender/athlete. Klay must of had a great workout..looks like Monta will be on his way though but possibly not quite so soon..unless Philly will come through.
I still doubt if Ellis will bring us a quality big. Guess he will be part of a bigger trade if any..can only hope Beans will be include but it will probably be a Ellis and Lee deal if a good one is involved. We are stuck with Beans for a while..possibly.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 24, 2011 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree Completely
Though thompson is more of a C- for me, I really did not want him but ill kinda trust jerry on this one, love the next 2 picks though
i say B
nothing too special, but i doubt we look back and curse ourselves about this one. it could all work out really well, don’t see it being awful. 2nd rounders were excellent
A, EASY
We got consensus best player to contribute now Klay Thompson, and replacement for Monta
We got player with highest potential at most important position, Jeremy Tyler
We got a nice combo guard who will be able to contribute off the bench at 44, Charles jenkins
I’m VERY happy.
We got consensus best player
Kawhi Leonard was BPA, at least, before the draft actually happened.
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We're talking basketball not combine measurements
I am willing to bet you money (I’m serious, we can paypal this) 1 year, 3 years- klay thompson amounts better.
Kawhi literally is just an athlete. I’ve watched enough SDSU to honestly say, i don’t see it. He didn’t even play with high energy, so I don’t see the Gerald Wallace hype.
Kawhi Leonard did not impress when I saw SDSU played Cal. I honestly didn’t know he was a good player until everyone started spouting his name tourney time.
I attended SDSU for the past 4 years
And watched Leonard play almost every game.
He was great for the mountain west conference, but in the NBA, i bet he doesnt make it 3 years.
C'mon Beane! Close off the bottom deck and reopen the top!
but he was the consensus best player
before the draft started
that’s what we’re discussing
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fine!
technically, you’re right.
I still think we took best player available ato ur pick. I can support the argument, he’s not what we need (though if we trade Monta for Iggy he’s certainly less of a liability). I still think is BPA at our pick and will have a lot more value. Ultimately we need talent, we can trade for fit later.
I remember hearing
that Sacremento’s high praise of Kawhi and their supposed intent of drafting him boosted his value in mock drafts. I’m sure his combine stats were probably higher than Thompson’s…..but I actually trust the FO decision this year.
It smells like hope in this mug
just knowing that he turned out to be the Spurs lottery target gives me pause.
elite rebounder at the 3 spot (10.6 rebs in 32.6 min as a soph, 9.9 rebs in 31.3 min as a freshman), w/ a 7’3" wingspan and a solid 227 which are good tools to be a solid, versatile defender.
he’s a 75.9% shooter at the FT line, so you know he has the ability to be a decent shooter.
definitely has that Shawn Marion, Gerald Wallace level potential albeit with less hops. whereas Klay is closer to Kevin Martin (w/ more passing and likely less flopping) potential.
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by the evil monkey on Jun 23, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
He played 4/5 in college though
Lets not inflate his rebounding.
meh. a lot of 3’s play 4 in college on d. it still translated with Evan Turner, GW, Marion.
Singleton played 4 mostly as did Terrence Jones (who didn’t come out) and they still didn’t rebound great.
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by the evil monkey on Jun 23, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah just saying
I think he’ll rebound.
He can’t dribble, shoot or really do anything. Just a physical freak.
his PPR is actually better than Klay’s.
his FT shooting shows he has promise there. it’s not like GWallace shooting 56.8% at Alabama.
basically at SD State he was a less athletic, better passing version of Shawn Marion at UNLV. i’d rather have that than a less efficient, better passing Kevin Martin which is what Klay was in college compared to Kevin Martin in college.
Kawhi is also younger by a year and 4 months.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results."
by the evil monkey on Jun 23, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
never
I saw every game Leonard played live or on tv. SDSU alumn myself and if you truly watched their games you would be aware that Leonard played most of his games 3-4 and rarely to never played the 5.
center was held down by malcom thomas and brian carwell
the power forward was usually billy white and tim shelton
while the 3 was kawhi
white and leonard were pretty interchangeable at the 3…
leonard often guarded the perimter guards on D, even taking turns on fredette
There is no inflating the guys rebounds and the man is a force on the glass.
I guess you never saw him play –
he actually has pretty good handles and often pushed the fast break from a defensive board.
The offense ran through him most of the time.
He has a high motor and strong work ethic.
shooting – well he used to have an odd release that he has since corrected, which was more of a slingshot style.
Passing on Leonard was a big mistake taking a guy that basically will replace reggie williams
He played exclusively at the three.
Malcolm Thomas and Billy White played the 4/5.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jun 24, 2011 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, Leonard's measurements were impressive.
I hope you’re right on Leonard, but had Burks over Klay Thompson. I have to give Jerry West his pick though. Gave it a B.
I like the Charles Jenkins pick. He could be an A.
I hate the Jeremy Tyler pick as he is stoopid. Gave it a D. Oh well, at least Lacob is putting money where his mouth is.
Overall = B.
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I'm looking at the vids of Leonard, Burks and Thompson again.
Leonard did miss some shots and it’s not like he dominates on D although looks very good. Burks is not as good an outside shooter as Klay. Klay’s shot and footwork are a thing of beauty. Maybe Burks won’t be able to drive like he can at the NBA level; It depends how fast he is. I also like Klay saying that he’s working on his explosiveness. If Tyler can make the team, then I would give it an A+. Two out of three ain’t bad though.
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I agree, callahan
I think we got two players who will be ready to contribute right away in Thompson and Jenkins. Tyler is a guy with one of the highest ceilings in the draft, and it appears we’ve addressed some issues with these picks. Grade: A
If Lacob is willing to shell out 2 mil just to get a guy like Jeremy Tyler, I’m anxiously awaiting to see what he’s willing to do when he’s hanging on the coattails of the likes of Nene or DeAndre Jordan. He is truly a great owner.
An A would
Have meant trading down and aquiring a 3rd guard or Center, a la George hill from a play off team. The warriors dont need any more shooters and while I think he will be an okay role player for this team, I hope the warriors can move him before the season starts. Charles Jenkins probably won’t be able to contribute consistently of the bench for at least another season. Jeremy Tyler I would love to bounce back, but if you suck in Europe and Japan your going to have a hard time in the NBA on that note I think he is one of the biggest steals if you factor in how coveted he was 2-3 years ago.
Klay Thompson C if kept A- if traded
Charles Jenkins B
Jeremy Tyler A-
He's gonna back up Monta not replace him
Monta can do way more offensively than Klay while Klay only offers shooting and the absolute worst defense at the G position in the draft. He’s a taller, better passing Anthony Morrow.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
He’s a taller, better passing Anthony Morrow.
Not a bad comparison.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 24, 2011 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions
His footwork is way better than Morrow’s and his 3 point shooting will probably not be close to comparable just yet. His defense will be vastly superior, the way he can close out and move laterally.
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You guys continue to baffle me when you Klay is a good defender hahaahaha
Klay Thompson is an absolute dreadfull defender, slow foot, has HORRIBLE lateral movement, and is a worse athlete than Curry and he’s gonna be guarding the other teams best athelete. And he has no fire and no muscle. Constantly pushed around when posted up. Klay thompson is horrible at defense, id almost prefer morrow
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed!
Ammo (+3") is not worth a #11 pick in most years but I didn’t see much else available that makes the W’s any better either. He’ll give an extra 5-10 min rest for Steph, Monta and Dorell and that’s a good thing. I believe that’s all he can be in this league so on talent it’s a C but the bigs that were available take better players off the floor that don’t need the rest. In this draft its a B.
I love the 2nd rounders. 10-15% chance of Tyler working out and if he does it’s awesome. Only cost $$ that doesn’t count against the cap. Thank you Lacob for the commitment.
Jenkins is another good ceiling player with no risk.
B+ overall
Dick Vitale, Fran Fraschilla both said Thompson is most NBA ready player
Whose all around game is really underrated. Both threw out reggie miller upside.
B
Not really diggin’ the Klay Thompson pick (although we all knew that it was going to happen anyways). I do like our second round picks that we made, but overall it’s a B result; pretty good, but nothing too special.
B+ overall.
B- for Thompson, A for Jenkins, A+++ for Tyler.
B
2nd round was great, with a high potential big man and a guard who was projected to go in the first round. I didn’t really like the Thompson pick and I didn’t hate it either, but I just believe that there were better players available on the board at the time.
He's got length/foot speed to be passable at SG
But clearly combo guard
Size will continue to be an issue for Jenkins on defense, as well, but his energy level will help him to adapt. Jenkins is a physical defender, always willing to scrap. He plays with solid energy, closing out on perimeter shooters and always attempting to disrupt shots, even if his man gets by him. Furthermore, his lateral quickness looks to be above average and, while he will not be a defensive stopper, he will not be a liability, either.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Charles-Jenkins-6189/playerblog/#ixzz1QALE1TqN
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Thats cool
Im really excited about Travis Leslie though…. He’s gonna shut down Klay Thompson! lol
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He's got Tony Allen potential
Saw him once. EXPLOSIVE in open court. Otherwise pretty worthless on offense except for crashing boards. But his D, i mean he’s got the potential…
Tony Allen would be very nice
Anyways what is your expectations for Jeremy Tyler?
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Somewhere between Kareem and Shaq
Already blocking off hall of fame induction ceremony 2036 so i can be there in person.
Ha, In all seriousness. I love it for the aggressiveness. He certainly has a lot of potential. If he doesn’t work oh well, but I’d be surprised if he’s not atleast a rotation big. Can’t expect much more in 2nd round.
Hope it works out for you guys
Having to watch Biedrins as your starting center seems very depressing.
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He's got a 6'7 wingspan, is extremely strong, i'd say he could.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 23, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
6'7 is cool... Leslie is 6'11
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha
Our guy can dribble and shoot. Your guy legitimately has high school level ball skills
Our guy can lock your guy up and throw a alley oop to Blake Griffin
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
umm
Our guy can lock your guy up
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And our guy can’t do the same? 220 lbs of pure muscles AND he’s from Queens NY. Can Leslie learn how to say “Queens bridge”?
Why are you guys assuming he is dumb?
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Can Leslie learn how to say "Queens bridge"?
What are you trying to say?
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Klay can't lock anyone up
But it wouldn’t be hard to get close to it on Leslie
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Its very easy
All you have to do is throw the ball in the air and let Blake catch it and finish it
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Step One
Release ball from hand
Step Two no matter where the ball is Blake Griffin will catch it and dunk it.
Exactly lol
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, and he's 220 pounds of muscle.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 23, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You know that Travis Leslie is the most athletic player in the draft right
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And he doesn't have basketball skills.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 23, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
pretty much
Travis Leslie in Steph Curry’s body isn’t even a D3 player. Steph Curry in Travis Leslie’s body is league MVP
All I know is that if
Charles Jenkins or Klay Thompson went one-on-one with Travis Leslie, Travis Leslie would win the battle most of the time.
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Isolations..
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Just watch this video of his strengths and weaknesses
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Travis-Leslie-5836/
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by ClipperBEAST on Jun 23, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
i think they should have explored moving down the 3 spots to 14 & 23 like Riley mentioned and taken Kawhi Leonard. imo, the Spurs know what they are doing and wouldn’t have given up George Hill otherwise. West is biased towards Klay b/c he and Klay’s father are close.
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by the evil monkey on Jun 23, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
well, let’s say they tried to move and couldn’t. You had to make a pick at 11. Who would you rather pick?
i’d still rather take Kawhi Leonard. i don’t like Burks, but he’s more intriguing than Klay too.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results."
by the evil monkey on Jun 23, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d still take Klay because I think he’s the best player at the time, but we really needed Leonard. If we traded down for Leonard and kept our #11, I’d be ecstatic. Leonard is going to be used to harass shooters and that is what we needed in the worst possible way.
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can you suggest who you would have selected at 11?
Leonard.
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Leonard, Singleton, Burks
And either Morris
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Trade Down
But I’m guessing they tried and couldn’t so took the best player available. Basically Larry Riley’s strategy
can you suggest who you would have selected at 11?
Burks or Leonard.
“Klay” sounds soft to me and I don’t really want to watch a KevinMartin clone .
I like Burks ball handling, rebounding, and foul drawing ability and Leonard’s motor,rebounding and defense. They are both rawer so more upside?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 23, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I would love for Klay to come in and give us 20 pts a game.
There’s more than points to the game, there’s aesthetics to consider. You really wanna watch a KevinMartin type player for years? I’d probably take a bitter dose of Dunleavey over that.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 24, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I understand points are just a small aspect
but for a team that couldn’t score without Ellis or Curry in the game, I feel like Klay will be a good addition.
Aesthetically, I think Klay will draw more female fans. Also, I don’t think he’ll be a Kevin Martin type player. I predict a high ceiling for solid defense, judging by the video I just watched.
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Highlights haha isnt it funny how all the shots go in and plays defense on every play?
Maybe because its highlights! Thats why i love the NFL draft, theyre honest with the players highlights and show their lowlights as well. Not everyone is considered “a great player for a long time” like every pick was considered this year in the NBA draft. Klay is garbage on D!
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Aesthetically, I think Klay will draw more female fans
maybe those from the old “boy meets world” show? I wondered what happened to that kid, didn’t know he became a basketball player.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 24, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
"Klay" sounds soft to me and I don’t really want to watch a KevinMartin clone .
You won’t. Kevin Martin gets to the line at an alarming rate. Call it flopping, call it what you want, but it makes him ridiculously efficient. It worked in college as well, where he had a similarly very good ratio of FTAs to FGAs.
For a guy who was as large a part of Wazzu’s offense, Klay didn’t get to line all that often. Horrid? No, but I don’t expect it to be a strength of his game at the next level. He better be an amazingly accurate shooter as a result.
For a guy who was as large a part of Wazzu’s offense, Klay didn’t get to line all that often. He better be an amazingly accurate shooter as a result
That’s why I liked Burks better, he looked like a finisher who’s good at drawing fouls, his game seems like it would be more fun to watch. This Klay kid gives me about the same feeling as the Dunleavey pick, polish over potential?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 24, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I was underwhelmed by the pick as well, but at #11, I honestly don’t expect much. A good outcome is ‘career backup, reasonable rotation player.’ If Thompson is the most “NBA ready” to come in and provide that, then it’s 4 years of getting such a player at a reasonable salary, rather than paying for someone who may or may not mature into that role (while we discuss the ‘upside’ that he’s unlikely to acheive). I’m skeptical of how much ‘potential’ any of these guys really have at that point in the draft.
Singleton for sure. Once all the big men were off the board I thought their was a chance we’d reach. Especially considering we are keeping Monta for the time being.
Not totally disappointed in the Thompson pick however. Will add some depth to the backcourt, but we don’t get stronger defensively. More trying to outscore the other team!
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We preach defense, and take the worst defensive guard in the draft…sight…. will be a good backup though
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
B
I’ll bump it to an A if the powers that be can make the basketball lockout mercifully short.
by ohcleverhansyou on Jun 23, 2011 9:57 PM PDT reply actions
2nd Round knockout!
Jenkins is a stud! Hopefully Tyler can mature in his game, be motivated, and change that fat to muscle. Big ifs, but I like them taking a chance on him.
Still don’t understand why we never take a flight on the young Euros and park them overseas for a few years. Some teams, like the Spurs, have this down to a science. What were Shlenk and Lacob the younger doing? Fuck it, buy 10 2nd rounders, pick a bunch of 18 year olds and hope one or two of them turn into stars.
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Golden State Warriors: How many guards can they need? New head coach Mark Jackson and GM Larry Riley constantly talked about defense. Then the Warriors took a shooter. They haven’t moved Monta Ellis, so now on roster they have Stephen Curry, Monta Ellis, Charlie Bell, Jeremy Lin, Acie Law, and Reggie Williams, and just added Klay Thompson. It was an unnecessary move with bigger players with more defensive presence available. The Warriors have enough talent to not need best player available. But again they opt for the usual. Disappointing
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The Warriors have enough talent to not need best player available. But again they opt for the usual.
No
by tafkasam on Jun 23, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fox Sports disagrees
11. Golden State Warriors — Klay Thompson, SG, Washington State: With the Warriors essentially listing Monta Ellis on Craigslist, they’ve made no secret about their desire to land a taller, more traditional shooting guard to play next to Stephen Curry. Enter Thompson – the pick Jerry West tipped off a couple weeks ago. The Washington State product is among the best shooters in this draft, and will help space the floor alongside Curry and Dorell Wright. He should give the Warriors roughly the same things Kevin Martin gives the Houston Rockets. Nice pick. -Nick Prevenas
The only reason why I'd grade the Klay pick higher than a C-
Is if we do trade Monta, Riley is making it seem like we have no interest in doing so.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
That shouldn't matter
You draft best player regardless of position, unless you’re a legit contender like Lakers, Miami etc.
Klay could be more productive than Monta. Point is, we need talent. we can trade for fit later.
if we truly wanted the most talent and highest ceiling...Leonard
just saying
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again, i repeat: Basketball talent, not athletic talent.
He really is an awful offensive player. I actually like Singleton a bit more…
Leonard’s 0.889 points per possession overall ranks third worst of the 17 wings we evaluated, and his adjusted field goal percentage of 46.3% ranks dead last, a strong illustration of his scoring woes.
…Leonard is not only an average ball-handler, but he also struggles to make shots consistently from beyond the arc. His 0.743 points per shots on jumpers ranks 16th of 17 in the class, where he shot an abysmal 31% from the field. His struggles extend both to his catch and shoot jumpers (32%) and pull-ups (28%).
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kawhi-Leonard-5821/#ixzz1QATtwkeA
http://www.draftexpress.com
I mean it’s cool he’s got mbah amoute upside. And he’s a solid player, but NOT at 11.
Klay had horrible isolations numbers.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 23, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m a little optimistic West knows that, and Mark Jackson will stress that with Curry, Klay and Lee
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jun 24, 2011 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
he's got Gerald Wallace upside
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Some might say so
But I’d set his upside lower.
Wallace shot 65% on his 2s at Alabama. Kawhli shot 47% on his 2s at SD State. Wallace was a year younger.
Even so, Wallace didn’t develop during his rookie contract.
So I’m fine with Klay.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jun 24, 2011 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
He's Mbah a Moute right now with vastly better rebounding.
He’d instantly be our best wing defender and best rebounder (at any position).
Klay isn’t going to be our best anything.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jun 24, 2011 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Singleton or Leonard should have been the pick
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
charlie bell will not play again this year for the warriors, lin might be cut as his contract is not guaranteed
acie law also will probably not be on the team, so the guards may end up being
curry/jenkins
ellis/klay/ reggie williams
d wright/klay
that is much better than last year. fail by cbs
by chupamelapolla on Jun 23, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish Monta would get traded already
by Anonymous1337 on Jun 23, 2011 10:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think the Iguodala talk will resume soon and maybe a deal could get done before the cba expires
by duballers23 on Jun 23, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
YAYYY
Monta for Iggy! and we can lose money and not be able to sign a good FA center! HOORARYYYY!
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Could we sign a free agent center now?
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2011 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Not with Beans and Lee's contract
combined with Monta’s.
Also, better not to get any ideas before the new CBA expires. Then again…
If they go hard cap, what happens to the contracts for all players in the league? Are the voided and renegotiated with their respected teams? I can’t imagine that would be possible…but how would they lower salaries like the owners wanted?
i wish people would stop talking about trading monta already.
by chupamelapolla on Jun 23, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
i wish people would stop talking about trading monta already.
if they’d just do it already then we could.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 23, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
if they’d just do it already then we could.
there is no need for the talk in the first place………………………………………..
by chupamelapolla on Jun 24, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
there is no need for the talk in the first place
my ears tell me differently.
Let Montay move to his new place in Memphis and everyone will be happy.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 24, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
No more Acie, and Charlie Bell doesnt even play.
LIn still is unknown if he could play backup. I dont find drafting Klay disappointing at all. I still might go with Kawhi, but I have trust in West.
Jeremy Tyler draft combine interview
For those who may have not seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjMSNSlyyBQ
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
he seems very humble guy in the video, does not seem how people are making him out to be.
by chupamelapolla on Jun 23, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm fine with the Klay pick
I think he’ll be a good player, efficient, and will probably impress on defense (since our expectations are low).
For the 11th pick, I can’t be too excited or too upset.
@DoctorKajita
Slow feet, unathletic, and lackadaisical
Not a chance in hell impresses unless he falls over his broken ankles, hits kobe in the knees and kobe’s out for the year. Thats the only chance
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
C+/B-
The Klay Thompson pick was disappointing, even though we could’ve seen this coming from miles away. They follow that with a ballsy move in the second round by buying the rights to Jeremy Tyler, who at this point is all potential and may not even pan out. I like the Jenkins pick, but ultimately they’re still drafting more offense without addressing our defensive woes.
The draft haul isn’t too bad talent wise, but considering our outrageous glut a the guard spots I think we could’ve been a lot smarter with our choices.
I have to laugh at all you fools...
…getting up in arms about our picks like you have some sort of real insight… meaning insight you didn’t get from Youtube videos and Draft Express. We won’t know if the picks work out for a few years at least. Thompson vs. Leonard is hardly a big gap. One is a scorer, the other a defender.
Many of you are the same folks who argue Monta is a top 5 shooting guard (40th pick). Nash… Manu… lots of second rounders are stars, and a lot of first rounders are busts. You just don’t know who is going to develop.
by warriorsablaze on Jun 23, 2011 10:16 PM PDT reply actions
Nash was the 15th overall pick.
I don’t disagree with yr points, just pointing that out.
Klay never smiles
We can bring back the AR frowny face jokes !
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
And Tyler gives us our high potential young trophy big that we've missed since AR
by duballers23 on Jun 23, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
AH memories
Our memes have returned!
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Klay is a bigger Stephen Curry.
I’m hoping we can get a real PG in Deron Williams or Chris Paul. The nice thing about Klay is he can play some SF, so for the time being we can see Monta and Klay together. Klay is a bigger Stephen Curry, so don’t need the duplication.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
I like how you say a lot of definitive statements...
…without actually knowing anything.
Klay plays off the ball, with his strength being coming off screens. Even before Curry made the transition to PG in college, he still played with the ball in his hands a lot.
They are both shooters, yes, but not really similar in style other than that.
by warriorsablaze on Jun 23, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Klay can create his own shots. He said he's working on his explosiveness and getting stronger for the NBA.
He doesn’t have great speed, so he may have some difficulties in the NBA to get his shot, but he’s got great footwork and balance. If he can explode, then he will be able to create his own shot (which is a bigger skill than coming off screens in the NBA). He’s got the handle and high b-ball IQ.
We’ll have to see what kind of passer he is, but it looks like he sees the court well. At WSU, he was the go to guy, so he didn’t have to pass. The other thing is how much he can get to the line. Monta can get to the line and with Klay opening up the court, it will be easier for him to do so.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
Your scouting reports lied
Klay thompson has horribly slow feet, and decent footwork at best. And Klay fits right in, guess how……NO DEFENSE!
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Klay can create his own shot, he just can't make them very well.
The second bit is the important part, by the by.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jun 24, 2011 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions
If he were a bigger Steph Curry, he would have been the #1 draft pick.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 23, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Steph Curry wouldn't have been the #1 pick.
He would have gone #7 to Sacramento. Fredette is a lot like Curry, but Curry worked on his PG skills.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
Umm, wow, no.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 23, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Stephen Curry is 23.
He did well his first year and then regressed his second. If we had a great passer like Deron Williams or Chris Paul, then it would be sky the limit with Monta and Klay.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
Regressed by improving in every statistical category?
by warriorsablaze on Jun 23, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard to do when Monta leads the league in shots...
… and primarily does so unassisted.
by warriorsablaze on Jun 23, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
We need a passer and someone who can be a floor general. Not someone who gets benched for taking ill advised shots and spacing out.
I’m glad that the Warriors are saying the Klay will be playing some 3. It just goes to show that Monta will be a big part of the team next season. We’ll have to see how the chemistry works out.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
Not someone who gets benched for taking ill advised shots and spacing out
Wow. Maybe you’re thinking of a guy who should have gotten benched for that. His name is Monta Ellis. Curry rarely took low percentage shots. Why do you think he was one of the most efficient 2nd year players in history? Curry got benched because Smart was a bad coach who held Ellis and Curry to a double standard. Smart never gave Curry control of the offense so he could be the floor general.
by duballers23 on Jun 23, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And he did it with an ankle not 100%
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
He may shoot like Steph, but he doesn't really play like him
Like warriorsblaze said, Klay is more of a shooter who works off of screens and plays off the ball.
by duballers23 on Jun 23, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Reminds me of Austin Daye a lot
A little bit more athletic than Daye and doesn’t have the shot blocking, but a good set shooter that can work off the screens. I’ve seen him a few times on TV and I just couldn’t get the Daye comparisons out of my head.
What can I say...I like Colombia and I like Carlos Willoughby...It's win-win.
Klay is a bigger Stephen Curry?
He don’t look like he has Binky type handles? in fact he kinda looks like he sucks at it? He might have Binky type defensive skills though?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 23, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Also...
…. for the short-term, we really can’t make any judgements until the 2012 roster is set. There are other ways to increase our size and improve defense. We might even be surprised how much better the players we have now are when actually asked to play defense.
by warriorsablaze on Jun 23, 2011 10:18 PM PDT reply actions
i think people will. the bench will also be better no vladimir, no acie law and less Amundson, Louis
by chupamelapolla on Jun 23, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
agree with a lot of the comments on here
Really wanted Leonard, so had to give the grade of a solid C. If didn;t tear it up in the second, it would’ve been a D or F
Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".
I go with B
Tough draft and at 11, we couldn’t have gone either way with Thompson or Leonard. I preferred Leonard because he’s a little more physical and places a bigger emphasis on defense, but like someone said before, there wasn’t an egregious pass up as in years past. I think the second round picks were awesome. Jenkins was a borderline first round guy and Tyler has a lot of potential (though he’ll have to shore up his character issues).
Overall, considering the thin talent pool of this draft, I’ll live with what the Warriors did this year.
What can I say...I like Colombia and I like Carlos Willoughby...It's win-win.
What's with this leonard obsession?
He has ZERO offensive game, and zero offensive upside. I didn’t like the udoh pick and I’m not supporting drafting Mbah Amoute2.0 in the lottery.
Defensive specialists are cheap and can be acquired later. The fact we haven’t got them doesn’t change that. Memphis paid less than Dorell got for Tony Allen for ex.
It’s POOR team building to waste a lottery pick on a low potential defensive specialist (unless it’s a center).
Kawhi wasn't just a defensive specialist.
It’s obvious he is pretty well rounded player, he just can’t shoot, but he;s got ok form so it can be corrected.
KOBE BRYANT IS DA GREA-TEST PLAYER IN DA HIS-TORY OF DA NBA- Warriors Head Coach Mark Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 23, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I caught all his bad games
But everytime I saw him, I saw a garbage man at best. No offense whatsoever. Crashed the boards, that’s about it.
We already know we can score and have been preaching defense
But why do you knuckleheads still want offense??? Dont you want Monta gone because he cant play defense, but then cheer for Klay whose a WORSE defender
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Monta also bogs down the offense.
Not just defense. I also doubt that Klay will be as bad defensively as Monta.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Klay is! Monta at least has quick feet and the athletecism to play D when he wants
Klay has neither! he’s like a slower worse athletic version of Curry
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Monta has ZERO lateral movement. Klay’s lateral movement looks solid, and he has great length to complement that. He also can close out, using his length a thousand times better than Monta.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
Your scouting reports lied to you
And youtube isnt exactly the most credible film footage to judge a player. Nice try though
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Monta actually has very slow feet on defense. At least Klay has length. I take the guy who is big enough to play his position over the guy that is way too small.
Still- Klay probs won’t be a good defender.
You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m curious, how many players that were inefficient and bad shooters in college learned to shoot in the NBA?
How many players with slow lateral movement were able to pick up defensive skills in the NBA?
I’d guess the 2nd might be more correctable/hidable with a good team defense (like Zach Randolph and the Grizzlies), but idk.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jun 24, 2011 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s POOR team building to waste a lottery pick on a low potential defensive specialist (unless it’s a center).
He’s got a huge potential. He had similar stats to Shawn Marion. He was a steal at 11, which is why the Spurs gave up George Hill for him.
KOBE BRYANT IS DA GREA-TEST PLAYER IN DA HIS-TORY OF DA NBA- Warriors Head Coach Mark Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 23, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
spurs wanted bertrans
high potential euro for longterm
I would've said the same thing for Singleton. I get the calls for Kawhi, just never got them for Singleton.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Leonard is not an all defense guy.
His primary strength is his rebounding at the 3 spot, his defense is a close second strength.
Per DEX:
Over the course of the games we watched, Leonard looked comfortable handling the ball in traffic and finding teammates moving without the ball. With his biggest strength, rebounding, removed from the equation here, he still made his presence felt on offense with a few midrange shots and finishes around the bucket, but did most of his damage defensively.
He’s a Jack of all trades. He can do everything, he already has the building blocks of defense and rebounding, he also had the tools to grow offensively.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
he knows his bud too
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this
is why he doesn’t have any cataracts
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 24, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Big O and little d in Oakland
the saga continues…
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At least we have Udoh in the middle. That’ll help compensate. Maybe that’s what we’re counting on.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
Udoh puts the d before the o!
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by Evanz on Jun 24, 2011 4:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
KLay THOMPSON is horrible on DEFENSE! you guys are blind!!!!!
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Screaming things in all caps and trying to prove your point by adding extra exclamation points doesn’t really help your case.
We do try to maintain a higher level of conversation here than caps locks and multiple exclamation points. If that’s the level you’re interested in, there are many other boards I can suggest where that sort of brainlessness is par for the course.
Sorry, I know as Curry and Klay fans you arent use to seeing emotion
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, I know as Curry and Klay fans you arent use to seeing emotion
I wasn’t aware that there were many Klay fans here. I would suggest you improve the quality of your posts and your reasoning and explanations. All are lacking. I suspect you’ll find it distressing when your low quality, information-devoid posts begin to disappear.
by jae on Jun 24, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
David Aldridge
“They keep saying they’re not trading Monta Ellis, they ARE trading Monta Ellis”
Goes off talking about perfect a fit Curry/Klay are because they are both unselfish smart players.
if they actually trade Ellis, I'll change my opinion on this
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"When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely in your thoughts advanced to the state of science." (Lord Kelvin)
I don't see why that matters though
A good pick is a good pick. Even if we don’t trade him. It’s not like we had a wealth of talent to pick for positional need.
because Leonard would have been the good pick if we keep Ellis
but I can see that if we trade Ellis, and get something back that fills another need, maybe Leonard is less valuable
depends what would happen with Ellis
Leonard was still the BPA, not sure what happened to him on draft day.
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"Also, Evanz’ posts are easiest to hide while working. The chats and graphs can look like actual work related data to the lazy walker-by’s eye" (tafkasam)
"When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely in your thoughts advanced to the state of science." (Lord Kelvin)
Perhaps BPA is more subjective...
…. than you think?
by warriorsablaze on Jun 23, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I respect aldridge opinion
He keeps talking about how good GSW will be if they trade Monta and start Klay combined ith rest of team unselfish team who shares ball and finds open shots.
where did you read this?
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"When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely in your thoughts advanced to the state of science." (Lord Kelvin)
watching nbatv
paraphrasing. He even mentioned Udoh as an impact defensive sub, lol
Klay Thompson is a lighter
better passing Anthony Morrow
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who can actually put it on the floor
and drive to the hoop as well,
and has about 6 months (at least) to put weight on before the next season.
In other words, a lot less one-dimensional than Anthony Morrow (as smokin as his 3-pointer is)
C/C+
Klay Thomppson – Should be good offensively, just hope we don’t give it all back on defense. But now that’s on Riley and Co. to make sure they fix the team defense. Klay wasn’t my guy (I wanted Burks) but I can get behind him. I will say that it looks like Thompson has an extremely refined skillset: his shooting ability. I just hope that with having seen very little of him, that he has more to offer than shooting. If he can do another thing really well, I’m thinking he’ll be a starter eventually.
Jeremy Tyler – Honestly this pick up probably saved this draft from being woefully porous even for Warriors standards (and last year’s was a torture). I’m always concerned over bigs who don’t get taken in the first few picks, so it’s hard to say how he’ll turn out. If anything he’s got potential and is a big body with nasty measurements. He’ll take awhile but hopefully we’ll see a DeAndre Jordan type of incremental productivity.
Charles Jenkins – Damn how good would Malcolm Lee could’ve been? Oh well, never heard of this guy but he looks like solid strong combo guard. His shooting ability sounds great, and hopefully he can D up like the reports say. Just wish we could’ve gotten a defensive type of player in this spot. I’m kinda glad we didn’t draft Josh Selby.
Overall, I’m not ecstatic over Thompson, as I don’t think he has the most down the road potential. At the same time I think it fits within the overall goal to get better. We have added some much needed depth and this is only the first portion of the offseason.
Patience my fellow Warrior fans…who know’s maybe tomorrow our other shoe will drop.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
This is probably the reason why I give it a +
It’s a great risk and definitely a commitment by Joe Lacob, Peter Guber and the rest of the new ownership group–and something that would’ve been unfathomable under Chris Cohan.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I gave it a C...
…but agree with most of what you say. The only things that concern me about Tyler are he was below average when compared to other imports to the Japanese leagues, and he’s a turnover machine, especially with his back to the basket.
DAMNITTT..
i wanna see a blockbuster trade already, this draft kind of disappointed as i saw a trade coming.. please surprise us FO
I posted it in another Thread
But if we resign Jeremy Lin and keep Klay the Upside is Jeremy, Steph, and Klay could all have a love child that would look something like this.
by ROARRR on Jun 23, 2011 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He's like a multi-racial Little Richie.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
LMAO at all the ppl who cried when Ellison didnt get the team because they wanted Jerry West so bad. Now Lacob makes West a owner and picks the player West wanted most in the draft and those same ppl are saying what a bad pick it was. Only in GS do fans cry when they get what they want.
by J-RIDAH on Jun 23, 2011 10:52 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Trolling?
KOBE BRYANT IS DA GREA-TEST PLAYER IN DA HIS-TORY OF DA NBA- Warriors Head Coach Mark Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 23, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I like J
But this was trolling.
KOBE BRYANT IS DA GREA-TEST PLAYER IN DA HIS-TORY OF DA NBA- Warriors Head Coach Mark Jackson
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 24, 2011 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions
your comment of trolling" meets the definition of trolling
by chupamelapolla on Jun 24, 2011 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Naw
The Ridah does this crap all the time. His entire post is a strawman.
You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The whole collective wanted Klay Thompson though?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I'm sure every fanbase criticize their picks. We're no different.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Never wanted west
Because his draft track record is decent at its very best! WE NEED DEFENSE, what do we do? draft offense…..
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Now we somehow need to get Batum and Nene
while getting rid of Monta and Lee. Any ideas?
Yeah like everybody on here thinks
Trade Monta for Iggys huge contract or better yet Gays max contract and add 6 mill to our cap then find random money and pay nene all while shooting over the future hard cap! woohoo……
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
And you dont draft a perimeter defender with zero offense in the lottery. I’ve been saying that for the longest.
This I agree on. No Singleton at 11 was the only thing I was worried about.
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"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
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agreed, thank god we didnt draft singleton
but burks would be soo sick especially if we trade monta and drafted d morris
The connection: Tyler knew assistant GM Bob Myers from his high school days and continues to be represented by Myers’ old agency
* Riley said the team knows that Tyler is a project, but he said that "this is an NBA talent that we’re dealing with."
by chupamelapolla on Jun 23, 2011 11:00 PM PDT reply actions
everybody is going to question every move the warriors make, but we dont know what is gonna happen until it happens. Everyone is so mad that we didnt take Kawhi, but this is all just a guessing game. What if Thompson becomes a very solid contributor? are you gonna be mad then? Kawhi could also become way better than thompson, but we dont know what is gonna happen. they are both good, and we have thompson now, so let’s give him our support.
Kawhi seems to be only a small forward where-as klay can play shooting guard. people are going to be mad regardless, most want a bigger shooting guard, well now the warriors have one.
by chupamelapolla on Jun 23, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Saying that Klay can play the 3 right now is questionable at best.
He’s got some bulking up to do if he even hopes of pressuring physical 3s and needs to improve his decent (thought not above average) ball-handling so he’ll be a threat to drive (and dish)
Height alone isn’t enough to play SF
After we picked Charles Jenkins, I turned off the TV and computer. 4 hours later, I’m pleasantly surprised to see Jeremy Tyler’s name on the front page of GSOM. Needless to say, I’m happy to finally be on the receiving end of a Cohan-esque move.
Hmmm
JVG broke the news on Tyler before GSW picked Jenkins…
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by Badly Browned on Jun 23, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
CONSPIRACY!!!
Wanna feel real torture? Try being a Warrior fan.
by luvmydubz23 on Jun 24, 2011 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
sometimes it is better to receive than to give it out.
by chupamelapolla on Jun 24, 2011 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
charles jenkins over darius morris???
we drafted a scoring guard in thompson, so now we have 4 monta, steph, reggie, klay and then instead of drafting a pass first PG who could work very well with our 3 scoring SGs and dorell wright we draft another score first guard????just dont get it
also GREAT PICK on tyler
however burks>thompson and leornard could have been a good pick too
Pretty sure Morris was drafted before Jenkins.
by DubsFan408 on Jun 23, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol im trippin
it sucked i missed the draft, that i was looking forward to for ages cause of class and i just skimmed through the 2nd round didnt for some reason didnt notice that morris went before our pick
it may appear that way to people who want ellis traded,, but
depth was a major issue last year. is acie law and vladimir really good options off the bench?
not by a long shot.
by chupamelapolla on Jun 24, 2011 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly, im praying this was a depth pick
Because if we do trade Monta for Iggy, we lose money for one, and lose any chance at snagging a decent/good center since a hard cap is coming!
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I know the Hofstra bball manager
He says Jenkins was easily the most high character person on the team and will be a stud
I like our 2nd round a lot, Klay not so much
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
There is a guy by the name of Brandon Jennings
who didnt play all that great overseas. And look how far he has come! I am excited for the Jeremy Tyler pick up! Plus despite everyone’s negative critism/ rating on Klay, I personally think he will have a great rookie year.
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BUT BUT BUT BUT
he scored 55 points
against Curry
And Monta
and CJ.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2011 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
against mostly them
considering curry played 26 minutes, while monta played 32 and cj 34. but let’s not let facts get in the way of arguments
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by DubsFan408 on Jun 23, 2011 11:53 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
His Youtube 'Decision' page awaits.
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"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Did anyone else think the Cavs draft hats looked similar to Miami's logo and colors?
At least at first glance?
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Jenkins looks like a good playmaker similar to… Mark Jackson. Was this his pick?
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assumptions and tropes that some might reconsider
in re. to Thompson, there seems to be recurring comparisons : he’s like K.Martin, with a narrow skill set, or, to an extent, he duplicates what Williams already provides , or, drafting him makes sense only if Ellis gets traded. Mr.West would probably disagree.
Evidence suggests that Thompson’s court vision and passing may exceed both Williams’ and Wrights’, and he probably handles the ball better than Wright ; that would make him a wing of a different stripe than either or K.Martin. West might see him developing into a player more similar to Johnny Johnson, the prototypical point forward from Wilkens’ champion Sea squad on whom Nelson modeled his guys in Mil. Johnson was more a perimeter player than a driver/penetrator, and was neither very fast nor exceptionally quick, except in his decision making ; one would characterise him in terms of ‘smart’ and ‘smooth.’ As we know, we can’t assume the team will match the offers Williams will hear, and should Williams remain, both Ellis and Wright played excessive minutes last season. Many have already suggested that Ellis’ minutes should be closer to 30 per game than 40, and that the court time he shares with Curry be reduced. Thompson could give the team the option of playing a spread offense with Curry and Williams, opening passing and cutting lanes to the paint.
The kvetching over Thompson and Jenkins could give a reader the impression that the team already possessed an abundance of good perimeter shooters. Unfortunately, the high volume of Ellis’ and Wright’s perimeter shots didn’t reflect their proficiency, and other than the departing Radmanovic, Williams was the sole source from the bench. Neither of the draftees were ‘shot hogs’ in college, either ; Jenkins would defer until his coach instructed him to look for his own shot first, and the coach believed he could have led the country in scoring if he cranked up 20 attempts per game (his average of 1.55 pts./shot attempt for a guard is near-fantasy).
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by the.monk on Jun 24, 2011 12:59 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Which is exactly why I think
This 2nd round absolutely made this draft for GS. Someone had to do as much stat-searching on Jenkins as Speedy did scouting, and Tyler no doubt is a bold move that I think will pan out.
KT doesn’t have the size right now to be playing the point foward (unless someone of adequate size is defending the 3s) or the vision just yet, but that’s definitely possible. The depth that we have in the backcourt right now is excellent, especially if we get rid of bell and continue developing lin’s jumpshot (I’m more neutral on Acie). Now all GS needs to do is snag a 1st round pick from someone for next year and they’re in good shape.
Dropped this in another thread, but I might as well put it here too.
I have no idea how this became so long, but here are my thoughts on the draft:
I was initially not happy about the pick, and even posted here about not wanting Thompson before the draft. There were decent reasons to be upset about it. Guys like Leonard and Singleton definitely have higher defensive upside. But I was thinking about it when I was washing dishes (we have no dishwasher and a deep sink, so piling up can occur) and decided that I honestly believe Mark Jackson and Michael Malone think they can make the Warriors already on the roster play better defense. Knowing this, the FO felt they didn’t necessarily need to spend their top pick on a player who’s game they’re not keen on overall, despite their defensive abilities.
I realize that if you want to play better defense, you need better defensive players, but in terms of guys who already possess NBA athleticism, it mostly comes down to desire. Ultimately instilling that desire to play defense comes down to coaching. Even Monta, while forever limited by his height and reach, could be a better defender if he used his quickness to stay in front of his man instead of gambling for steals (although I do feel this draft has placed the writing on the wall for Monta. A 6’7" 2-guard the new FO loves and a super-scoring combo guard in the 2nd? I hope wherever you end up you do well, Monta. We’ll always have ‘07-’08).
Regardless of if Ellis goes or stays, the Warriors are already elite offensively (and if Thompson is what the FO thinks he is, they only just got better), so it shouldn’t take much of a defensive improvement to make them a very good team. The way the Dubs can fill the net, a little defense is better than none. If the new coaching staff and FO think they can accomplish that with the Warriors currently on the roster, well, I’m willing to wait and see if they’re right.
The Tyler grab is pretty sweet, too. This kid was, what, a top three, maybe the number one prospect in the country before he pulled a Brandon Jennings? Stats and attitude issues for an 18 year old playing professionally in a foreign country notwithstanding, this is a great low risk/high reward payoff. Riley crying over the 2 mil it cost to get him is residual from him spending time with Rowell. The Warriors are a big market team and can afford to act like it. It’s just been so long since they have.
So, all in all, I’ve got no beef, provided they can, in fact, make the current players play better defense. When Cohan was finally gone, I told myself I’d give Lacob and Co. three years. I haven’t held to that as much as I’d like, but I have to take it on like a mantra "new ownership new ownership new ownership" and try to keep my patience. I liked the Myers hire, I liked the West hire, I was not happy about Mark Jackson but I was very happy about Mike Malone. So, for now, I can’t get too bent out of shape about it and I’ll trust the logo. I hope Thompson is a beast and from what I’ve heard and read, he could be. Welcome to the Dubs, Klay!
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Jeremy Tyler is a gamble by Bob Myers and is really looking like O’Bryant and Glen Davis. It’s going to take a lot of grilling for him to turn it up. Cho knew this and he’s going to take our 2 million and go clubbing.
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The $2mil spend does not count against the salary cap or lux tax. It’s not something to be concerned with if Lacob feels like spending it.
by jae on Jun 24, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Monta isnt going anywhere.
Neither Curry nor Klay can penetrate and get to the rim enough.
Dangerously? Yea.
by TooShort2Play on Jun 24, 2011 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions
They can. To say that they can’t is a pretty shameless overstatement. If you want to compare them to Ellis, who is probably in the top 3 in regards to that ability, then that’s a completely different story.
I actually wrote "as well as Monta" but I figured that would be replied with "few can", which wouldnt have gotten my point across, so i changed it.
Dangerously? Yea.
by TooShort2Play on Jun 24, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
But then it made your point false. Curry isn’t a bad penetrator. He’s clever.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I know hes clever. Ok he can get to the rim but monta is better.
One thing i think is that the combination of a back court with a great shooter and clever finisher (steph), a great finisher with elite and quickness and a decent shooter (monta), and a great shooter with length (who can focus on solely shooting) is a recipe for greater scoring than many other combinations. The question will always be defense but the same assets that help these players on offense can be transferred to the defensive side of the ball. This three will more than likely never be great one on one defenders because their lack in either speed or size (or the two) but they can possibly use their abilities and assets to help towards a good team defense. On a team you have to trust the rest of your team and you have to be able to lean on them. Sadly to say that being able to trust your teammates can be seen as the biggest hurtle to getting a team to the next level.
Dangerously? Yea.
by TooShort2Play on Jun 25, 2011 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions
i give this draft a b +
were becoming a team of former players sons also i could be wrong wasn’t monta a cousin or distant cousin of dale ellis anyone in the draft is a gamble unless there like Duncan or James and dominate the sport in there first season
I really think that this draft is an indication that we are going to move Ellis
We have Curry, Reggie and Klay I also think that Jenkins is ready for the NBA and will by the end of next season be in the rotation he will be one of the better picks in the second round. I also like the Jeremy Tyler pick up but he is clearly a project he made a bad mistake by going overseas in my opinion because his time in Israel he didn’t get enough playing time to develop in a competitive atmosphere. Tylers stats from Japan show that he is a raw Center.
I really like Jenkins and I think he is just as ready as Klay Thompson. Thompson I am not as high on, not because he won’t fit in with the team or contribute but because I don’t think he is going to be a good defender and I was really hoping to see the Warriors draft someone who could defend.
I would really like to see Monta moved and this team finally turned over to Curry obviously we need interior defense unfortunately interior defense is such a coveted product that I don’t think Monta will net us the solution. Therefore we might have to move someone else. Dorell Wright and Ekpe Udoh have value but I really like what they bring to the team so I am unsure of what the solution will be. All I can say is that I really hope that the Warriors find a solution and actually make the playoffs next year : ).
I'll give out my grade in 4 years.
That’s about how long it takes to conclude whether or not a draft was good.
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I'm optimistic about the Thompson pick
Im not nearly as up to date on the skillsets of each draft pick and how it’ll translate into the NBA as a lot of people on here, but here is what I see.
We seem to be getting a tall 3 point shooter who can read the defense and distribute alongside Curry (without challenging Curry’s alfa leadership on the floor). That sounds like a nice fit with Curry.
With Curry, Thompson, Reggie, and DWright, we become a really good 3 point shooting team. That sounds like a nice fit for who other than.. DWIGHT HOWARD.
Yup, just like teams were doing for Lebron, we’re structuring our team for Dwight!
by WestCoastWarrior on Jun 24, 2011 9:08 AM PDT reply actions
Monta for Rudy Gay looks good now, we may need to add more to the trade (DWright?)
Curry, Klay and Gay would be a sweet back court. All very smart playmakers (I’m making an assumption about Klay of course), two of whom provide some nice length for defense. Plus, all three are unselfish and move well without the ball. No more isolations – just some sweet team basketball.
just some sweet team basketball.
That was my first thought, I think/hope DLee will thrive in that type of offense and will turn it around, maybe still be overpaid, but a lot better than last year.
by WestCoastWarrior on Jun 24, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess I like Lee more than you then
I thought he played well for us. He is overpaid but I don’t fault him for that. Being the 7th best rebounder in the league is pretty damn good. He is one of the better passing big men in the league, doesn’t turn the ball over, has nice hands and uses his feet well. He is a great mid range shooter and was playing injured most of last year. With Tyler and Udoh there to watch his back on defense he’ll be mediocre on defense which is about the best we can expect.
Not so much that I want to see him “turn it around”, more like I want to surround him with better centers and see what he can do,
by Togna Balogna on Jun 24, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Being the 7th best rebounder in the league is pretty damn good.
Was he last year? This is the first time I’ve heard that, what stat/source is this based on?
I think maybe you do, the point of what Im saying is I think he will have a better season this year than he did last year. I like him too, at least I want to like him lol.
by WestCoastWarrior on Jun 24, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
nba.com
just in boring old rebounds per game. I’m old school that way.
by Togna Balogna on Jun 24, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
just in boring old rebounds per game. I’m old school that way.
Haha, that’s cool, but I looked it up and he’s 11th best rpg with 9.8, which is still close to 7 and pretty good.
11 David Lee , GSW 73 36.1 217 3.0 497 6.8 714 9.8 13.0
The problem I see, if we’re going to look at the rebounding, is when I sorted it by rebounds per 48 minutes, to account for the fact that everyone is playing different minutes (Camby got 0.5 rpg more while playing 10 mintes less (almost 33% less)). David Lee doesnt even crack the top 50.
by WestCoastWarrior on Jun 24, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Tyler
Here’s an interesting NY Times article on him from ’09.
Some key quotes: “His coach calls him lazy and out of shape. The team captain says he is soft. His teammates say he needs to learn to shut up and show up on time. He has no friends on the team.”
“Tyler, a 6-foot-11 center considered the best American big man since Greg Oden, cried when leaving the United States. He missed his first flight because he did not know he needed his passport. He left the locker room in tears after playing just 10 minutes in his first game.”
“At his apartment, Tyler said, neighbors have called the police three times with complaints that he was playing music too loud.”
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by SneakToBetterSeats on Jun 24, 2011 10:32 AM PDT reply actions
2009 key point here - two years is a long time at that age
based on recent interviews I see nothing to be concerned about on the attitude front. More worried about his stamina and his game. With his size and hops maybe he will be our Javalle McGee.
by Togna Balogna on Jun 24, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
2009 is an especially long time ago
when the dude in question just turned 20.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I am really excited about Jeremy Tyler ...
I acknowledge that the most likely outcome is as a washout — but his combination of size and athleticism offers the kind of upside that is more than worth the gamble.
Honestly, I think his relatively minor troubles abroad are a great thing. He’ll be so much more prepared to deal with the pressures and temptations of life in the NBA than the kids who spent 2-3 years getting their hands held while playing for SportsU.
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optimistic thoughts on the draft and near future
I was one of the people screaming obscenities, out loud and on GSOM’s draft page, when I heard Klay Thompson’s name but as I think about it, I like it more and more. Guards are able to make an easier transition to the NBA than would a big man (Morris, Singleton, etc..) enabling Thompson to become more of an asset early in his career.
The strategy looks to be: build the bench and alleviate some minutes from Monta. Now that Smart is no longer coach we should look to see Curry play more minutes, while Monta can have his minutes cut a little bit (should improve his efficiency).
Does this mean we’ll be seeing more three guard sets? Because of Thompson’s supposed slow feet, perhaps his size(6-7 205) will enable Jackson to play him against some team’s SF to create matchup issues ala Don Nelson?
Finally, I am interested to see the Warriors record last year when the big three (Ellis, Curry, Lee) were starting and healthy. I wish I had that in front of me, because I know it was actually pretty damn good. Add another year to their chemistry while bolstering the bench with some good young talent and next year looks quite exciting.
Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".
how do I make my picture bigger??
here is my gift to GSOM
But seriously, what is going on?
Although I have calmed down a bit (sounds like Klay is actually pretty well-rounded) I was pissed last night.
How many more shooters do we need?
(also, props to Zorgon for giving me the idea last night)
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 24, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad this was your beloved Jerry West's pick but Riley gets all the blame lol
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jun 24, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
dont be a troll
but also, I remembered this picture of Riley and thought he kinda looked like a zombie (even before photoshop)
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 24, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
How many more shooters do we need?
If I were building a team around Dwight Howard, I’d stack it with shooters too… Wouldnt you?
by WestCoastWarrior on Jun 24, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
eh
orlando tried something fairly similar and they haven’t had much success. somewhat OT: i do think david lee would be a perfect pf compliment to dwight, much better than rashard lewis or whoever else orlando has been trotting out at the 4 in recent years
orlando tried something fairly similar and they haven’t had much success.
They haven’t? Is making it to the conference finals twice in a row not success?
i do think david lee would be a perfect pf compliment to dwight
Lee is a stand up guy. I suspect he’d compliment anyone who did a good job. All of us should.
much better than rashard lewis or whoever else orlando has been trotting out at the 4 in recent years
Did Lewis actually speak poorly of Howard?
i do think david lee would be a perfect pf compliment to dwight,
could be but would he get it? he might understand it more if you just said “good job”?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
It's all about minutes
Monta averaged a little over 40 minutes a game last year, which is obviously unsustainable. I like the Thompson and Jenkins picks. Of the 96 available backcourt minutes, if Curry and Monta take 64 that still leaves 32 that need to be filled by some combination of Thompson, Jenkins, Lin and Williams. I think Monta and Steph will improve their defense simply by having fresher legs.
Wright averaged 38 minutes a night last year. To put that in context it’s about what DWade averaged. So if he were to average a more reasonable 32 that still leaves 16 minutes a night available to Thompson and Williams.
There’s still a glaring hole at center but I’m actually ok with Beans playing 18 – 20 minutes a night but who’s going to fill the remaining 28 – 30?
Lee can play 32 and Udoh can handle 16 at the 4 but that’s a lot of post minutes to fill by committee.
You're kind of rounding down excessively all around ...
From the three bigs you list, in games that you need them (sit them a bit more in blowouts one way or the other, etc) you can easily get an extra 15 minutes out of them, at which you’re talking about ~5 or so minutes per game from a couple of guys at the back of the bench in a standard lineup.
Of course, the Ws are a lot more likely to go with 3 guard sets than than 1 guard set, so some of those minutes will be taken by a SF whose minutes are taken by a SG of whom we have plenty …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
In games one of them missed ...
The team was 5-13. There were no games that more then one missed, so they had all three for 64 games and 2/3 for 18 games.
A 36-46 overall record, minus the five and the thirteen equals a 31-33 record in the remaining 64. Only modestly better.
Beyond that, no team gets all of their games for all 82 games. Missing a total of 18 games between them is nothing to complain about.
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That's not where this was supposed to go ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Louie Amundson has a high active motor -
He helps with the committee at PForward and center. David Lee and Andris have fast enough hands to grab his missed put-backs and lay-ups. Amundson is agressive and has length and tenacity to get those rebounds. His finishing is a bit weak though but he’s just able to support starters
And let's not forget the athleticsm of Al Thornton
Will Jeff Adrien make the team? Will Al Thornton be kept? I think Thornton is a hell of a scorer with lots of artillery in his O.
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we should look to see Curry play more minutes, while Monta can have his minutes cut a little bit (should improve his efficiency).
Does this mean we’ll be seeing more three guard sets? Because of Thompson’s supposed slow feet, perhaps his size(6-7 205) will enable Jackson to play him against some team’s SF to create matchup issues ala Don Nelson?
Finally, I am interested to see the Warriors record last year when the big three (Ellis, Curry, Lee) were starting and healthy. I wish I had that in front of me, because I know it was actually pretty damn good.
devo
the Ws are a lot more likely to go with 3 guard sets than than 1 guard set, so some of those minutes will be taken by a SF whose minutes are taken by a SG of whom we have plenty …
In games one of them missed …
The team was 5-13. There were no games that more then one missed, so they had all three for 64 games and 2/3 for 18 games.
Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".
I tried to reply to you, but in signing in/posting, something seemed to go wrong ...
Odd that you quoted two different posts as one, taking one of them out of context, which was replying to another comment that made perfect sense …
But you’re welcome for looking up and doing the math for you …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
haha, yes- thank you for doing the math, i do appreciate this
The quotes were from two different posts but they’re still from one person and the fact that they are located in two different posts is all the more suspect. I’m sure I also unknowingly regurgitate ideas that other’s had already posted, but when it’s so blatantly obvious (4-5 posts after mine) I figured I had to say something..
Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".
the Ws are a lot more likely to go with 3 guard sets than than 1 guard set
With Andris or Udoh on the floor, those players I want to surround with ball handlers. It’s good to have Klay who can be seen confidently handling drives with his left hand.
Udoh and Andris have very good players around them like David Lee and Curry to get them the ball in the right places, reading their body language while taxing the attention of the power forward or point guard playing them.
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