Putting Golden State Warriors 2011 NBA Draft Pick Klay Thompson's Impact In Perspective
The Golden State Warriors press conference introducing Klay Thompson and their other rookies.
It's pretty much indisputable that most NBA stars have been found in the NBA lottery since its inception in 1985, as laid out well by Andrew McKillop of SportsDelve.com.
However, it also turns out that the opposite is also indisputable: there is absolutely no guarantee that a lottery pick will turn into a star.
As such, we should probably temper expectations for both Warriors 2011 NBA Draft selection Klay Thompson and his impact on any forthcoming moves by the Warriors.
Just looking at the Golden State Warriors' lottery pick history, only five of their 18 draft picks (prior to this season) have become anything resembling a long-term starter for the team (meaning longer than an average NBA career of 4-5 seasons) and that's including both Andris Biedrins and Adonal Foyle, neither of whom anyone would consider. Players like Foyle and Mike Dunleavy weren't starters in their first year. Stephen Curry is likely on his way to being the next long-term starter, but as he hasn't reached that threshold yet, only 27% of the Warriors past lottery picks have become long-term starters.
More broadly, the rate of success for 11th picks in the lottery era (which has been in the lottery since 1990) is only marginally better (between 31-33% depending on how you count it) with 2004 Warriors lottery pick Andris Biedrins being the last to become a starter for the team that drafted him.
In other words, it should come as no surprise that the teams selecting in the lottery most often have been the Warriors and Los Angeles Clippers (whose sordid lottery history, though slightly better than the Warriors, I'll spare you): lottery picks don't necessarily get you out of the lottery. Regardless of whether those teams are cursed or incompetent, it is by no means likely that a team is going to find a bonafide star at the 11th pick.
It appeared that was especially obvious prior to the 2011 NBA Draft.
Everybody seemed to agree that this year's draft would be a relatively weak - the consensus seemed to be that there might be some solid rotation players, maybe a few starters, but not a whole lot of All-Stars. And certainly not a whole lot of big, immediate impact, take-your-franchise-to-the-Promised-Land-tomorrow type players.
Yet the immediate reaction to Thompson was not only that he's ready to start, but also that drafting him signaled that Monta Ellis is definitely on his way out with Thompson as his "replacement" in the starting lineup.
No matter what people think they want a lottery pick to be, the historical record of lottery prospects selected at #11 alone would cast a long shadow of doubt over that assertion. And it's not at all clear that Thompson in particular is poised to buck the trend.
Even after selecting the 6'7" Thompson out of Washington State, the Warriors appear to be cautious in projecting his impact at a time when the public words of executives normally indicate that their newest additions are beyond reproach.
"You never know until you get a guy out there," said Warriors assistant general manager Bob Myers on The Gary Radnich Show Friday morning when asked if it would surprise him if Thompson was a rotation player right away. "You never know what his maturity level is, how ready he is physically, but you do find out in the first two, three weeks of things what his curve will be, how long you think it will take.
"But yeah, if he came in right away and played I think we'd all be surprised, but we're hopeful that he can."
Statistically, it might be even more surprising.
Thompson's 46.4% 2-point percentage was not in the top 40 among shooting guards this past college season. After comparing Thompson's 2-point percentage to other star shooting guards that have posted that kind of 2-point percentage in college, Ed Weiland of HoopsAnalyst concluded before the draft that, "...he doesn’t look like a starter and seems likely to struggle to become a rotation regular."
Just to help further put things in perspective, in Kevin Pelton's Basketball Prospectus 2011 Draft By Similarity article last Wednesday, he likened Thompson to Kirk Snyder and Charles Jenkins to Acie Law. Granted, these things can be wrong - even Pelton indicated that the Kawhi Leonard/Joe Johnson comparison is odd and I think we can all agree that Ekpe Udoh's NBA game bears little resemblance to that of Loren Woods, as the BP similarity scores said last season.
Nevertheless, we can probably agree with Myers that Thompson has some work to do before even being a rotation player, let alone a starter. All of the above is before even addressing the concerns about Thompson's defensive ability, which WSU coach Ken Bone believes is something he needs to crack the rotation on a team led by coach Mark Jackson who seems inclined to distribute minutes based on defense.
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"I do hope he continues to work on his defense," Bone said of Thompson's limitations. "He has shown, at times with us, where he could really guard. He has great basketball instincts, he competes well, he has about [a] six-foot-nine wingspan - but he didn't always play great defense. I think part of it was the fact that he had to produce so many minutes for us, and we needed him to score. But someone on that team down there is going to have to guard."
Thompson is probably a better defender than he's given credit for, despite Bone's observation - nobody plays for former WSU coach Tony Bennett without playing defense and Thompson started all 33 games for Bennett during his freshman season. But he'll have work to do on that end of the ball in any event.
Not that we can ever precisely predict how well draft prospects will perform in the league, but Myers' assessment is perfectly reasonable and fits with the pre-draft impression of this year's draft - there was little reason to believe a starter would be available at #11 and, likewise, little reason to believe that Thompson will challenge for a starting spot on the Warriors in his rookie year or provide any further motivation to trade Monta Ellis.
Obviously, people will see whatever they want to see with the addition of Thompson: if you want Ellis traded, the addition of Thompson will lead you to believe he's on his way out; if you want to keep the Curry-Ellis combo together, Thompson is a great complementary addition to the backcourt rotation.
But ultimately, when owner Joe Lacob is being perfectly reasonable in continuing to insist after drafting Thompson that, as quoted by San Jose Mercury News columnist Tim Kawakami, "I’ve assured Monta that we are in fact not trying to trade him. We really value him and we want him here. I think he’s a tremendous player and a unique asset."
If indeed the Warriors do trade Ellis before the season, it will be because someone makes them an offer they can't refuse, not because Thompson is ready to supplant him in the starting lineup - at present, Thompson should be considered adding scoring depth to their bench rather than a player who can step in, start, and force the Warriors hand in trading Ellis.
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I wonder how the Kirk Snyder comparison came out of KP’s analysis. Thompson is a much better 3-pt shooter (averaging about 10%-points higher over the 3 years than Snyder did in the same amount of time). For someone who is going to play on the perimeter and space the floor, that would seem to me to be the most important thing to look at.
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I think in general most people weight 2pt%...
…(as a proxy for one’s ability to get the rim) a bit more heavily. As Weiland said, even people we think of as primarily jump/three-point shooters had better 2pt% in college…
But yeah, I too found that bizarre…
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Seriously
everytime I see Klay I think of Brandon Roy, but their playstyles are different.
IDK maybe it’s just the body type.
by Anonymous1337 on Jun 28, 2011 5:57 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Body type, 20 ppg scorer for a Pac 10 team from Washington, versatile, high hoops IQ, smooth rather than explosive, accomplished rather than “projectable”…
Of course, it should be noted that Roy at UW was a bit better at everything than Klay at WSU: rebounding, passing, scoring efficiently. But I guess we could do worse than a poor man’s Roy with healthy knees.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 28, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm not seeing Roy at all aside from fact both would be described as more crafty as opposed to athletic
I really think a Reggie Miller comparison is apt. Whether he works at at is and reaches anywhere NEAR reggie’s potential… different q.
But he’s a bit more than just a spot up shooter.
Personally I hope Jackson and Malone are as serious about defense as they preach. If Klay is taught from day 1, you must defend to play, he can become a decent defender. Atleast not one who quits on plays to save himself for offense (a la the warrior way)
Yeah I’m not seeing Roy at all aside from fact both would be described as more crafty as opposed to athletic
It’s somewhat interesting that Roy got the “not athletic” label and it tended to stick. Roy’s max vertical leap at the combine was better than Jason Richardson’s and Jonny Flynn’s, a guy whose draft status shot up far beyond what his performance on the court warranted because of a rather impressive ability to jump high.
Hmm...
I would have never guessed that. I think the “not athletic” label just has a lot to do with the fact that he plays smoothly and under control, and he doesn’t rely on his athleticism thanks to a very polished skill set. He’s had knee problems for quite a while, right? Maybe he’s been holding back, and playing mostly under the rim for the sake of longevity.
by olympicmike on Jun 28, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
let me rephrase
Roy, by own self-admission, is not an uptempo guy. He prefers to play slower pace game, it’s when he does best, and often that gets lumped with athleticism. Not fair cause a lot of players who accel in uptempo aren’t particularly athletic (Nash, Curry… Jackson wasn’t exactly athletic)
Maybe it's because I watched most of Roy's games his senior year....
…and perhaps Klay could’ve gotten there had he stayed as well…
But I agree with Sleepy Freud that Roy was better at pretty much everything than Thompson – Roy carried his team in a way that I’m not sure I’ve seen a Pac-10 player do since or for a long time before…
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As a side note:
As official administrative executive of the GSW nickname association (GSWNA) I hereby officially label Klay Thompson as : Black Jimmer due to popular demand
by Anonymous1337 on Jun 28, 2011 6:08 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Klay is not Black Jimmer. That’s Jenkins. Klay does not look very black at all anyway.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
As a side note, someone pointed out that “black jimmer” sounds like a term to describe someone with severe crotch rot. Perhaps he could be Afro-Jimmer. Also very cool.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
Or just, you know, Charles Jenkins. That’s a pretty classic name in its own right.
I’d propose “Mister Jenkins” but that might hew a little too close to Keith “Mister” Jennings…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 28, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Old man Jenkins.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Jun 28, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Thompson seems to me to be the potentially perfect guy to play off the ball next to Curry
Yet he was forced to play the majority of his time in college as the primary ball handler so his percentages suffered.
I see no reason why we can’t put him in a position to produce on offense this season, whilst just not being Monta Ellis suggests he will be an upgrade on D
I'd agree he'd be a productive complement next to Curry...
But is he ready to start next to Curry? I don’t know… and I think people in the organization are absolutely right to be cautious about how they talk about him.
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I would start him
but you know that’s for a completely different reason ;)
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by Evanz on Jun 28, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you get my meaning
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sure he is
or at least could be
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But is he ready to start next to Curry? I don’t know…
Guess we’ll have to waite and see, but we have seen Curry make a 7 player team consisting of mostly D-leaguers look pretty good for a stretch a couple years back, why not Thompson with a more veteran and deep team?
by WestCoastWarrior on Jun 28, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fair point
But to Evanz’s point, that’s not exactly a winning combo (which, is why he suggests they might as well just go with Tyler too and take themselves to the top of the draft :) )
But yes, I think wait and see is the key.
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trivia
Only two rookies selected outside of the top 10 have won ROY. Both have ties to GSW. Name them.
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in the last 40 years
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Jamal Wilkes and Mark Jackson ftw!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 28, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
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If you expand the cutoff a bit, you can another (Philadelphia) Warrior: Woody Sauldsberry, who won the ROY in 1957-58 as a #60 pick.

No, I wasn’t alive then; and yes, I cheated. ;-)
Had I not cheated I would have gotten Jackson but not Wilkes. By the time I started following the NBA, Wilkes was a Laker whose crazy shooting form was a constant source of amusement (and irritation, when he drained his shots).
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 28, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
winner, winner
chicken dinner!
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Perspective on Thompson pick
Nice perspective on pick. When I saw Monte Poole’s article anointing Thompson as next Reggie Miller and punching Monta’s ticket out I rolled my eyes. You don’t define the direction of your franchise bc of the 11th pick in a weak draft. I think the FO looked at all the prospects and saw athletic wings with limited offense (Leonard, Singleton), athletic shooting guards who can’t shoot (Burks) and rightly decided that those types were a dime a dozen in the league so why waste a lottery pick on them unless you really love them. If Vesely or Jonas V. had somehow dropped to 11 we probably wouldn’t be having the is this the end of Monta? debate bc the FO would have gone for the talented big guy over Thompson.
Thompson pick is not a signal of the direction of the franchise he was just the guy they thought had the best chance of being a really good player.
by gsfool on Jun 28, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
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I think the FO looked at all the prospects and saw athletic wings with limited offense (Leonard, Singleton), athletic shooting guards who can’t shoot (Burks) and rightly decided that those types were a dime a dozen in the league so why waste a lottery pick on them unless you really love them.
Point I’ve been trying to make. Athletic wings with defensive stopper potential are not hard to find on low salary. The fact we miss year in, year out on signing one for 3 to 4 mil is an inditement on managements ability to function in the free agent market, not that Leonard, Singleton are great prospects. Look no further than last summer… Brewer, Allen, Bogans all could have been had at 4 mil a year or less. And there are many others. It’s a matter of actually committing some of our MLE or cap space to it, instead of signing another shooter.
This draft should have
and, in fact, seems to have been about improving the worst bench in the league. Everything beyond this is yummy gravy.
Well written.
For me there is much more excitement about the two 2nd rounders. I just hope we don’t regret the team not biting the bullet on the Marcus Williams first round pick debacle.
I just hope we don’t regret the team not biting the bullet on the Marcus Williams first round pick debacle.
Who’s to say we didnt try to bite the bullet? For a supposed weak draft, I dont see how anyone can get too upset abot the picks we made.
by WestCoastWarrior on Jun 29, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
video is private and won't work
stupid lockout so dumb that even youtube vid won’t work for a year now i bet
Klay draft pick doesn't signal a Monta trade, but it sure doesn't help the odds he won't be traded
Drafting a scoring SG may not definitively signal that a Monta trade is inevitable, but it sure doesn’t help the case that he won’t be traded. What it does do is give the Warriors more flexibility to deal Monta. In the event that he is traded, they would lose scoring, so drafting a scoring SG makes sense as having another piece with the potential to replace Monta’s production. Of course it’s not wise to assume that a rookie could replace Monta, but it’s nice to have that option there and maybe Klay could grow into that role.
I’m fully on the Monta for Iguadala bandwagon….makes too much sense. Monta gets his stats, but at the end of the day, I think a Curry / Iggy backcourt will ultimately get you more WINS than Curry / Ellis.
Of course it’s not wise to assume that a rookie could replace Monta
or replace WTF, doorL or even JLin?
Party'N Party'N , YEAH!! Party'N Party'N , YEAH!! Fun fun fun fun.
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