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Part 1: A Unique Rookie, Charles Jenkins

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Rare Build

 

"Due to physicality, spends a lot of time at the free throw line (6.7 FTA per game)" 

"Crafty ball-control combined with overwhelming strength makes him hard to keep out of the lane... Finds unique ways to finish at the rim." - NBAdraft.net

 

At 220 lbs, carrying only 4% body fat, the 6'3" rookie is truly unique at the point guard position, and one of the most solid specimens in the draft. He holds an advantage at his position similar to Corey Maggette's; a rare combination of balance, power, and speed. 

Maggette is a nightmare to defend. He is too powerful for shooting guards on and off the ball, and too quick for most SF's to contain as well.

Charles Jenkins poses a similar problem to point guards. Few are strong enough to misdirect his drives to the rim. Aside from Deron Williams and Baron Davis, I can't think of anyone who shares his kind of size/power. He is too shifty with the ball for bigger wing players, and he's likely to overpower most point guards. Although C.J. Watson is extremely lighter, he and Jenkins scored comparatively on the agility and speed test at the combine. 

Ht: 6'3 1/4   Wt: 216   Wingspan: 6'8   Max Vert: 34 inches    Bench press: 16     3/4 sprint: 3.18    Agility: 11.68

                                                                                         C.J. Watson     3/4 sprint 3.15     Agility: 11.61 

(Remember how fast Watson could be in the open court? Charles is a player who's just as fast, +40 lbs. of power, with a game that's designed for attacking the rim.)

 

Open court assassin

Aside from his train-like build, Jenkins is incredible at getting to the rim with either hand. According to Synergy Data, Jenkins had a national best, 1.3261 on left-hand drives, which he did 59% of the time, despite being right-handed. 

"Very aggressive in transition, never shying away from contact." - NBAdraft.net 

"Suffice it to say, Jenkins does not shy away from contact and is able to finish in traffic with the best of them." - Rush the court

 

Efficiency

It's clear that every team needs a potent scoring threat off the bench. An efficient back up will not only maintain the punch of your 2nd team's offense, but also improves the defense by cutting down on missed FG's. Coming from a small school like Hofstra, it's conceivable how Jenkin's elite productivity went overlooked. 

"According to data from Synergy Sports Technology, Jenkins ranks as the second most efficient isolation threat in the NCAA (afterAndrew Goudelock), scoring on over 50% of his attempts when going one on one (minimum 50 possessions). He also ranks in the top-10 in pick and roll situations and in the top-25 as a catch and shoot threat."

"Jenkins is shooting a blistering 64.8% from inside of the arc while displaying a versatile scoring arsenal. (January)"

"He is an elite scorer from beyond the arc where he is currently shooting 43.8% on 3.2 attempts per game"

"Jenkins shows consistent mechanics, a quick release, and terrific touch, which suggests that he will continue to be successful at the next level."

"While players like Fredette, Walker, Providence starMarshon Brooksand even Charleston'sAndrew Goudelockare attempting in the realm of 18 to 19 shots per game, the Hofstra senior has managed his eye popping scoring numbers on just 14.5 attempts."

Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Reggie Williams, and Charles Jenkins - those are a group of very young guards who are disciplined and educated on the offensive end. All of them pass the ball. 

 

Consistency

"In 128 career games, he reached double figures 122 times"  - NBA.com

We need our bench production to not only be efficient, but significant enough to be a factor on a consistent basis. You need strong-willed, level-headed guys to come in and meet expectations. 

 

True Point Guard Ability

"His ability to distribute the ball should not be overlooked, as he averaged just shy of five dimes a game and boasted a 2.16 assist to turnover ratio. Jenkins is the prototypical "instant offense" kind of player that simply knows how to put the ball in the hole."

Jenkins is drawing many comparisons to players like New Orleans' guard, Marcus Thornton. By all accounts in the hoops world, Charles is considered to possess a rare combination of basketball knowledge and learned discipline, as Hofstra Pride's dominant ball-handler.

For being so ball dominant, so relied upon to produce offense, it's a wonder how he didn't turn the ball over more being a "scorer." Here's what Jenkins had to say about his ability to be a point guard on the next level:

 

""I have a lot of different sides of my game that people haven't seen," says Jenkins. "My scoring has opened a lot of eyes for people who didn't know I was capable of these things. It's a way for me to get my foot in the door and once there, a lot of other parts of my games will be exposed."

"I'm a great passer which a lot of people don't really know. People see my scoring numbers and that's really all they see, but I'm smart enough to know the ways I'm going to score there."

 

"Jenkins ranked 4th in the nation in scoring at 23.5 points, but his nearly five assists per game leads the CAA, making him one of two players at the Division 1 level to lead his conference in both categories."

 

Icy Nerves

"63.4 percent of his catch-and-shoot opportunities came with a man in his face -- yet showed an ability to make tough jumpers. His efficiency on guarded shots off the catch was 1.3898 PPP, which ranked 15th nationally among players with at least 50 such possessions." -SI 

Check this out:    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nySUqQA53UQ

Here are a pair of game-tying and game-winning shots Jenkins scored earlier this year, in a tightly competitive bout vs. William & Mary. He also made the key stop in overtime just before his 2nd buzzer-beater. He will fit right in before the Oracle crowd. 

 

Character

"He really is what college athletics is all about...he's just an unbelievable kid." - Hofstra Head Coach, Mo Cassara

Charles says that his first NBA paycheck will be put away for his niece as a college fund. 

"That's typical Charles," said Fordham coach Tom Pecora, who recruited Jenkins to Hofstra and coached him for three years. "He's saying, 'How can I help my parents? How can I help my niece?' That's rare for a 22-year-old person to think that way."

Indeed. Jenkins is the kind of guy you want to have your back. He's a great teammate, he's smart, he's talented, he's reliable, and he's mature enough to know that the team always comes first. Like his coach said, "He's really what college athletics is all about."

 

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HOW HE FITS IN BACKCOURT 

 

Stephen Curry - Similar to the way Ellis played off a big guard in Baron Davis, so can Curry do with Jenkins. I'm anxious to see what Curry can do against certain teams if he slides over to the 2. If Jenkins' IQ and ability allow him to play the point guard effectively at this level, then it could work.

Imagine an offensive scheme with weaving high-low screens and Curry putting that masterful footwork to the test against bigger, slower opponents. Jenkins, with his strength and control, should be able to seek certain angles on the court where he can pinpoint Curry. With a deep understanding of the game, this could prove to be an effective strategy on some given nights. 

Reggie Williams - Both of these guys are extremely efficient and unselfish. Not only do they both have solid size at their position, but our offensive potency from the bench will be outstanding with this backcourt. Both of them are extremely humble and talented. Not only will they be a great tandem for the Warriors off the bench, but I expect they'll become good friends, as well. Both are very respectful men. 

Klay Thompson -  Jenkin's ability to get to the rim will be a weapon of paramount effect with a worker off the ball, and pure shooter in Klay Thompson. Contrary to many opinions, Klay is very good at creating his own shot and making plays for others. He will be able to recognize a player like Charles setting up in the corner, and Klay has the skills to draw the defense and execute the pass. Both rookies are extremely intelligent. I expect a growing chemistry to brew between Klay and Charles during the off-season and heading into training camp (assuming no lock-out). 

Monta Ellis - There is much uncertainty involving the possibility of Ellis and Jenkins ever suiting up together as Warriors. I belong to the school who believes that Monta will be dealt some time after the players and owners reach an agreement. 

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Okay so we have nice guards..

now lets just get rid of Monta..Well written post

The Warrior era has begun...

by Moneer Mujaddidi on Jun 29, 2011 4:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Post-Draft

It’s clear what GS is doing. Jeremy Lin needs to sign with another team. His NBA PER of 14.9 is better than almost half the players in the league. He finished with the 2nd best plus/minus on the team. He led all NBA guards in per-48-min steals and blocks.

Check out this NBA analyst, who correctly identified Landry Fields and Wesley Matthews before anyone else
http://hoopsanalyst.com/blog/?p=487#more-487

Based on college production, Jeremy Lin’s most comparable comps are:
Andre Miller
Penny Hardaway
Steve Francis
Gary Payton
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Rajon Rondo
Greg Grant
Bobby Dixon
George Hill

Yes Lin played in a small school. But the analyst notes that Lin made his mark "when he averaged 23.3 PPG while shooting 63% in a 3-game stretch against UConn, BC and Georgetown. Typically players from small colleges see their numbers dip, sometimes drastically, when stepping up in competition. That Lin was able to not only be competitive, but excel in these situations is impressive."

Based on other NBA players from small schools, Jeremy Lin’s most comparable comps are:
Terry Porter
Dee Brown
Lindsey Hunter
Speedy Claxton
Antonio Daniels
Derek Fisher
Anthony Johnson
Jose Barea
Eric Maynor
George Hill

by BayMind on Jun 30, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok...

Lets be honest. Lin is not going to be a Kidd or Iverson or Hardaway or Rondo… He’ll exceed expectations if he stays as part of an NBA rotation for 5 more years…

by freerandolph on Jul 4, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just looked this up

From mid-February after, Lin shot 52% for the rest of the season, and kept up extremely high efficiency rates for rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks.
Lin’s FG% and true FG% were also extremely high in the D-league, so there’s definitely promise that Lin can be an effective and efficient offensive scorer moving forward.

by BayMind on Jul 7, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

so

you’re making an already too small sample and replacing it with like a 7 game sample? That’s a mindblowing cherry pick.
You keep saying true FG%. Do you mean eFG% (effective field goal) or TS% (true shooting)? Either way, I care more about his NBA TS% of .458 or his NBA eFG% of 39.8 than his sub-par college competition or sub-par d-league competition. They don’t play defense in the d-league. The score is always 60-60 at the half.

You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!

by Reverend_Randy on Jul 7, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

They don’t play defense in the d-league. The score is always 60-60 at the half.

I suspect that the players are at least subconsciously aware that the best way to be called up from the d-league is to put up big “numbers” which translates more or less to “high ppg” with secondary “high assists” and/or “high rebounds” being less important. There’s certainly some scouting that could evaluate defense, but it’s never shown itself to be nearly as influential on personnel decisions at ppg. The rewards for playing defense are small. The rewards for scoring points are huge.

by jae on Jul 8, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lin also has a broken Jump shot and is not explosive enough to finish at the rim. He’s not an NBA caliber player. Let’s move on.

by Balance on Jul 9, 2011 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

he's an nba caliber player

just at the level of a 10th-12th man

by bigkino217 on Jul 9, 2011 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

This guy is the steal of the draft

I hope Jenks becomes the second rotation point right away. It’s nice to feel complete confidence in at least one position on this team for once. I think that there were 2 major sleepers in the second and the dubs got both of them.

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by Butterknuckles on Jun 29, 2011 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I think that there were 2 major sleepers in the second and the dubs got both of them.

Boom. I admire your confidence. Evidently, Jerry West thinks we’ve stolen another in the 1st.

by lilboots on Jun 29, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice post lilboots , Rec'd
This guy is the steal of the draft

Says it all…..imagine if by a couple of years down the road Tyler earns a similiar tag.

Feelin goooood about this draft now. Hope is a nice thing to have. Feelin it as well with the ownership and FO.

by Only In Fairfax on Jun 30, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can't wait for part 2

I really enjoyed your post! I have the very high confidence in Jenkins now

by warDUBrior on Jun 29, 2011 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Another good post from lilboots

Very excited about Charles Jenkins. He has the stats, the skills, the body and the character to be a good pro.

You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!

by Reverend_Randy on Jun 29, 2011 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m sort excited about him. I love his character, too. He was a good second round pick.
However, he has low upside because he’s 22, and it’s not like he played against elite competition. He also can’t defend well. The Warriors needed a guy like Malcom Lee, who could actually defend but couldn’t shoot. It’s too bad he was drafted right before the Warriors.
Still, rec’d.

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by doubleteapot on Jun 29, 2011 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I disagree

When people say that there is little upside because he’s 22 years old. Did Michael Jordan have little upside? There were many players that continued to grow past college. I agree that he didn’t necessarily play against the best competition, but players definitely have the ability to expand their game after college. In fact, I think the whole “crazy potential” thing for 18 year olds is overrated.

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by danielholl on Jun 29, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He’s a year older than most of the players in the draft because he redshirted his freshman year. And here’s an ESPN article that talks about how younger players are more likely to succeed. The whole “upside” thing is backed by data.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30479/is-age-a-factor-in-the-nba-draft

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by doubleteapot on Jun 29, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t you think that the younger players who are declaring for the NBA draft are naturally the talents who are being scoured over by NBA scouts, had a fan base through high school, and were heavily recruited by the top schools?

When you’re talented and young, the chances are you’re going to go for the money instead of the degree, because it’s pretty much a guaranteed rookie contract, if all goes as planned.

The guys who stay 3-4 years are likely the ones who have turned heads throughout their college careers through the improvement of their game, or came from situations that have proved to be a bit more obscure (Hofstra). I’m not saying in all cases, but this would seem to make much more sense, adding an angle of rationale to the whole argument.

by lilboots on Jul 2, 2011 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

In fact, I think the whole "crazy potential" thing for 18 year olds is overrated.

Why? A player who is younger is farther from his prime and is therefore more likely to develop. Michael Jordan was amazing right off the bat- he probably has the best post-merger rookie season along with David Robinson, who was also older.

You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!

by Reverend_Randy on Jun 29, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

kwame Brown.

I win. :)

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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jul 2, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dwight Howard

I think if you averaged Kwame Brown with Dwight Howard, you’d still have Emeka Okafor. That ain’t bad.

You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!

by Reverend_Randy on Jul 2, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aaaah, yeah…. The Black Jimmer. Seriously, I like this dude. That’s probably not the best nickname for him, but it’s sounds hilarious to me. Jenkins seems like a great pick up, and I look forward to seeing him play. He sounds significantly more NBA ready than Lin was last year.

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Jun 29, 2011 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

He looks like he could eat nails better than Jimmer.

A great attitude and skilled player that is “tough as nails” …not to shabby for a late 2nd round pick…

by Only In Fairfax on Jun 30, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has better size than Flynn, so he probably has more defensive upside than Flynn ever did. I like what I’ve seen from this dude so far.

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Jun 30, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great post.

It’s interesting to think about how most draft picks have to add dimensions to their games to become viable NBA rotation players, while Jenkins appears to be alreadt a complete player who needs to prove that his game will translate to the NBA level.

Which is more likely? Stephan Curry and Reggie Williams seem to be enough of a precedent to at least be optimistic, if not excited, that it is the latter.

Platitude is everything.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 29, 2011 6:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Keep a Perspective

If you hate Jeremy Lin because he’s Asian, God Bless You. If you think Jenkins is a better choice, that’s fine. The Warriors obviously do too. Please try to keep a few things in mind:

1) Jenkins is listed on Draft Express (highly credible) as being 6’ 1.5 inches with out shoes, 6’ 3.25" with shoes on. Wing 6’7" and standing reach 8’ .5 in. http://www.briansbigboard.com/player/charles-jenkins

Jeremy Lin by comparison is listed at 6’3" w/o shoes, wing span 6’5", standing reach 8’2"

The Warriors have likely gotten smaller and will spend more money with the Jenkins choice, leaving less room to sign the Big that they desperately need.

2) Jenkins is drafted on the recommendation of Speedy Claxton, also of Hofstra. When asked who’s better in an interview, Claxton said he is. Recall the Warriors waived Claxton and ended up keeping Acie Law. Jenkins might be Acie Law 2.0 at best.

I advocate trading Lin or releasing him. I favor him going to the Lakers or Dallas, but if he ends up on the Clippers that would be awesome (troll.)

by Get Jie on Jun 30, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speedy Claxton, by many accounts, was said to have greater speed and quickness than Allen Iverson before his injury. Just saying, when Speedy responds to such a personal query, I doubt he’s referring to the portion of his career he spent trying to be the player he was before he got hurt.

If I’m not mistaken, that was his entire NBA career.

by lilboots on Jun 30, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speedy's wife is hot

just sayin

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by Evanz on Jul 1, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you hate Jeremy Lin because he’s Asian, God Bless You.

No comprede…..assuming that you are not a racist christian…is this reverse joke?

by Only In Fairfax on Jul 2, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Steal, A Man

I’m super impressed with Jenkins, both in terms of what I’ve seen in game films and the multiple interviews I’ve watched. I’ve also digested many articles covering his play during his senior year at Hofstra. Jenkins comes across as very focused and articulate, and will work very hard to make the most of this opportunity. This guy’s a winner.

I don’t agree with the knock on Jenkins that, at 22, he may not be as valuable as a younger player whose potential has not yet peaked. First, who the hell says an elite athlete peaks at or near 22? That’s absurd, as the frontal lobe (which controls judgment, decision making, and other things key to running a team) hasn’t even fully developed until about that age. Jenkins can and will continue to develop into a better, craftier player. Besides, he’s a full grown man, not some punk ass prima dona head case. Winning teams will take a man over a kid all day long.

I agree with the comparisons to Baron Davis. I think he will bring some nice physical guard play to the W’s and will surprise a lot of people in the league with his ability to get to the rack and the completeness of his game. As Jackson is going to be emphasizing D, you can expect Jenkins to put in major time working on those skills. His strength, drive, reflexes, and coachability will make the difference. Hofstra is obviously in a small, non-powerhouse athletic conference, but the same can be said of Davidson, where Steph Curry played.

My prediction is that Jenkins will remain a bit under the radar this coming year, while he acclimates and earns more playing time. He will then emerge as a very solid and coveted pro, with strong on-court and locker room leadership abilities. This pick will prove to have been brilliant.

by Brain Salad on Jun 29, 2011 9:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Good stuff
I don’t agree with the knock on Jenkins that, at 22, he may not be as valuable as a younger player whose potential has not yet peaked.

I don’t agree with this, either. Why is potential advertised exclusively in the 19 – 20 year old athlete, while the 22 year old senior is considered a lost cause in that department? Wouldn’t a player who’s stayed in the program for 4 years be the kind of person who is least likely to selfishly pursue individual accolades, anyways?

I can’t really get my head around it. How many ball players made it in the league after 4 years of college before the new millennium?

Tim Duncan, Steve Nash, Grant Hill…These are some of many who spent 4 years in college before going pro. Not that Jenkins is comparable, but I think people assign too much importance to 20 vs. 22.

A young athlete is a young athlete.

by lilboots on Jun 29, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jenkins tough play.

I had to chuckle when I saw a mostly positive scouting report on him that got to the end where they had to throw in some negs and after slight defense worries they stated that “his bruising body banging drives to the basket may not work as well as it did for him in college”…….hmmmm…..combine that with great outside shooting threat didnt seem to hurt Baron’s NBA carreer.

by Only In Fairfax on Jun 30, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Long term, I’m personally more excited about Tyler – Probably because Webber was the last guy who had a similar body/athleticism. It’s been too long since we’ve had such a player in our clutches who’s received the kind of star notoriety that Tyler has from such an early age.

But it looks like Jenkins will be the first to make an impact. Like the fella said, “There were two sleepers in the 2nd round, and the Warriors got them both.”

Man, :) I just feel lucky we’ve got a chance to embrace these great new players. We’re usually forced to embrace horrible ones. By the way, where’ve you been Brutus? Been awhile since I’ve seen you on here.

by lilboots on Jun 29, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been posting comments here and there

I have been completely interested in what has been going on, I just want to wait until the roster looks more solidly formed before I really make a judgement.

Personally I didn’t understand the 1st round pick considering some/one of the players available and the teams need for defense. I also wanted a more experienced coach to come in but I am warming up to Mark Jackson and especially Malone. I really liked the 2nd round moves. I really want to see Jenkins get some minutes and I can’t wait to see Tyler in 2-4 years.

Overall I am excited although I would really like some trades to be done to get us some financial flexibility and or talent for the future. Since the whole CBA thing and a long off-season have yet to shed light on what the FO will do I can’t complain at all.

Really hope to see the NBA get started on time next year.

by brutusbrutus on Jun 30, 2011 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

For the sake of argument

Charles Jenkins, Hofstra: He improved a lot as a senior, specifically he seemed to become a smarter player. He took fewer shots, but made more of them and scored more points. He improved his assists while eliminating a lot of turnovers, which is no easy feat. The numbers for his senior year look strong, but two things give me pause. The first is he didn’t step his game up enough until his senior season. That just isn’t a good sign. The best prospects generally perform like prospects, at the very least on a per minute basis, well before their senior season. The other is he played at a small college and it has always been better for small college players to be much more dominant than Jenkins has been. Typically small college guards who make it have an RSB40 that’s pushing 10, a high number of assists and/or a high 2-point percentage. Jenkins has the high 2-point pct, but that only came his senior year. He isn’t a dominant defender and the jury remains way out on whether he can handle the point in the NBA. I like that he not only improved his game, but also improved it in what would have to be called an intelligent way. He became both a more efficient scorer and a better PG without losing any offense. That’s more impressive to me than if he had simply piled on more stats. Impressive as his improvement was, it still seems like a case of too little, too late for Charles Jenkins to be considered anything more than a long shot.

http://hoopsanalyst.com/blog/?p=655#more-655

by Get Jie on Jun 30, 2011 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Party pooper bummer but pretty good "bring us back to reality words".

But dont forget that this time of year is for irrational homer hope…

by Only In Fairfax on Jun 30, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

If there weren’t any questions marks about him do you think he’d be a second round pick?

by Balance on Jul 9, 2011 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your post is entirely cut and paste. If you are going to do that, use the quote box to make it clear that those words are not your own. Putting a link at the bottom is not the same thing and is not sufficient.

by jae on Jul 9, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kinda lol’d at 4% body fat

Yep, Tyler needs to work out with this dude.

by Only In Fairfax on Jun 30, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Jenkings is like 8% at best..

Most people don’t know what they are talking about when it comes to bodyfat..you can’t play sports at 4% bodyfat, that’s a state that you can be in for a brief amount of time.

by SDtotheBay on Jun 30, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

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you can’t play sports at 4% bodyfat, that’s a state that you can be in for a brief amount of time.

Depends on the sport of course, but even for a world class endurance athlete, 4% is really, really low. The typical combine body fat percentage is usually a caliper test and depending on where they take the measurements, the accuracy can be quite a bit off.

by jae on Jun 30, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

do they just use calipers at 3 spots?

if so then that’s laughable..I did that before I started working out and I was at 9.3%..Didnt even have abs visible.

by SDtotheBay on Jun 30, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

with calipers, you're looking at +/- 2 to 4% in terms of the #. He is most likely around 6-8% body fat maybe even a tad higher.

by dandydaniel on Jul 1, 2011 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am keeping that caliper away from my wife ha!

by Only In Fairfax on Jul 2, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter if the real number is 4% or not

As long as all the other people are measured using the same method you have a legitimate basis for comparison. If Jenkins is at 4% and some other player of comparable size/weight is at 6% as long as the method is consistent you know that Jenkins has less body fat.

by CalifOrange on Jul 1, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

As long as all the other people are measured using the same method you have a legitimate basis for comparison.

Yes and no. The problem with it isn’t that the scale is off (eg. everyone is about 3% higher than the calipers say) but that the method has a significant degree of error. Someone with a reading of 9% could have a 12% BF%, or he could measure at 6%. The direction of the error doesn’t have to be the same for everyone either.

If Jenkins is at 4% and some other player of comparable size/weight is at 6% as long as the method is consistent you know that Jenkins has less body fat.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. The readings may be ‘cosistent’ in that you’d get the same numbers for the same people over and over again, but if they are not accurate, you do not know if the measure is correct for a single individual. Error doesn’t have to be the same from person to person in either magnitude or direction.

by jae on Jul 1, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Charles Jenkins don't eat no twinkies

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by Evanz on Jul 1, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great post, and a great analysis of Charles Jenkins' professional skill sets, and personal attributes!

This kid learned his ball skills in the inner city, combines power, efficiency, speed, and uncanny motivation to be a good NBA player. He is actually more efficent than Thompson! We really came up with a find here! I hope he has some descent big men in the lane to play with, besides the other five guards! Trade anyone?

by dinohealth on Jul 1, 2011 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Trade Lin

Assuming a new CBA can be in place soon, Lin is the logical trade piece. I’m not convinced yet that Jenkins is an upgrade from Lin. I’m especially looking forward to seeing the two of them standing next to each other, and playing against one another. Lin has some trade value right now, especially packaged together with Bell’s contract. He will also be a free agent soon. If Jenkins doesn’t work out, they can always resign Acie Law. lol

by Get Jie on Jul 1, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is Lin's value around the league?

It’s probably very small. He was an undrafted rookie who couldn’t crack the rotation on a 36 win team. I’m not saying he’s awful or useless, just that he is probably valueless.

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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 1, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

How Jenkins fits along side Monta Ellis:

Like when Ellis played aside Baron Davis, he can slash more. He can play also as he did with Davis, efficient. Ellis, now commited to scoring and being the PG, can have an interesting affect on the growth of Young Jenkins as Jenkins is some what in the mold of Monta himself. Both taking time playing point and both taking time roaming the court. Strength and athletic playing together. Sounds like an enjoyable time. One would have to D twos, which is tough i guess.

Dangerously? Yea.

by TooShort2Play on Jul 6, 2011 3:16 AM PDT reply actions  

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