2011 NBA Finals Game 5: Miami Heat @ Dallas Mavericks
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I only have time for a quickie today: Another must win for the Mavericks tonight to take the series lead before they head back to Miami for Game 6 and 7. Expect the Heat to strike hard after going scoreless for 5 1/2 minutes in the 4th qtr. Expect LeBron James to go for a quintuple double after his poor scoring performance. Expect Dirk Nowitzki to play better without the fever.
Tonight's lineup
| Game | Time | Channel |
|---|---|---|
| Miami Heat @ Dallas Mavericks, Game 5 | 6:00pm PDT | ABC |
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Typo in the last sentence, just sayin’ haha.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
i'm a bit late
but i believe whoever wins this game will win the series
too early to tell
remember Celtics Lakers series last year
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
just my feeling
i obviously don’t have anything to base it on
there were a lot of variables that messed that up
remember the celtics were up by about 15-18 points when perkins tore his knee up in game 6.
then rasheed with his bad back, nearly paralyzed, had to guard bynum for the rest of game 6 and game 7
plus kobe and pierce wiped each other out. kg had gasol handled
the celtics had that tile locked up in almost identical style to 2008(a blowout in game 6) until perk destroyed his knee
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 9, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
i dunno what you're talking about
the lakers completely dominated game 6. Perk injured himself in the middle of a blowout. His presence may have changed the outcome of game 7, but game 6 was going to be won by the Lakers regardless
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
yeah my bad i was thinking of the game 4 comeback. LA had game 6 won by halftime
but rasheed on a bad back had to guard bynum is game 7 and that ultimately was the deciding factor
i dont know how kobe won finals mvp when he goes 10-22, 8-20, 10-29, 13-27, 9-19, and 6-24
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 9, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Perkins is the most overrated piece of trash ever
Rasheed played 5x better than Perk would ever play in Game 7
LOL at using FG/FGA to judge a player
How long ago have you started watching basketball?
how about this:
he scored 30 points on 22 shots, 21 points on 20 shots, 29 points on 29 shots, 33 points on 22 shots, 38 points on 27 shots, 26 points on 19 shots and 23 points on 24 shots against one of the best defensive teams of all time who were given the right to hand check him all series long.
Putting him at 56.7% TS
you're making fun of him for using fg%
yet you’re using points per shot, which is still horrible
someone could go 0-2 fg, 10-20 ft resulting in “10 points on 2 shots” (46.2% TS)
just use TS% instead of those other misleading stats.
I wasn’t using points per shot..that’s why I didn’t post it..
ummm
he scored 30 points on 22 shots, 21 points on 20 shots, 29 points on 29 shots, 33 points on 22 shots, 38 points on 27 shots, 26 points on 19 shots and 23 points on 24 shots against one of the best defensive teams of all time who were given the right to hand check him all series long.
you're stating number of points and number of shots
how is that not points per shot?
Terry nice pass to Chandler
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
I like how Dallas never gets calls for their flops
LOL
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
Terry right on cue
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
Lets trade Monta for Dirk.
That fixes the “Size” Backcourt for us right?
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jun 9, 2011 6:46 PM PDT reply actions
Kinda like that lineup actually.
Curry
Dirk
Dorell
Lee
Udoh
Al Thornton, Reggie Dubz, KAZubuike, Anthony Randolph, Turiaf. < ya. we got them now.
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jun 9, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Our SG is taller than
our SF
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
LOL i roll with it.
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jun 9, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
*i'll [typo fobbed out]
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jun 9, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Dirk is much or the same height
with Udoh
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
Word. but I would keep Udoh (in combination with Lee)
at the 5.
Sure. Udoh is better at the PF, so if you bring in a player like Nene, Haywood, Chandler, DeAndre Jordon, Demarcus Cousins, Marc Gasol, etc…then cool.
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jun 9, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
JET FTW!
Man, I wish this weren’t Cuban’s team, but this is really inspiring stuff by the Mavs. Bravo.
There will be no extra point!
Hey Sleepy
I was reading philly’s blog and I noticed that there is a blogger by the name of “”http://www.sbnation.com/users/sleepy%20frued" >sleepy frued". Were you aware of this?
Clippers own staples center!!!
why? i like cuban
He’s everything I’d want in an owner. Minus the brash douchebaggery, but I could deal with that for his passion and commitment to winning.
Besides wearing a suit and talking of due diligence is overrated.
i always loved the football jersey
of the nellie days
plus he never bit his tongue on any topic until the playoffs this year(must not j—x it)
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 9, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
how long do you guys think it'll take spoelstra to realize
that lebron is playing 45-46 mins a night in the finals, and its always the last 5 mins of the game that dallas dominates?
lets see play lebron 45 minutes
or play james “doing my best 06 jason kapono clone” jones any minutes. btw kapono was non-existent in the heat rotation during their 06 run
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 9, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
well wade was hurt tonight
but miami only has three wing guys in miller, wade, and james. you saw how bad peja looked early on. james jones would not be much better
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 9, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
i think if wade is on the floor it wont hurt
but if jones isnt shooting he isnt doing anything else. he may have won the three poitn shootout but he is very streaky. he’s frail and has no sense of court awareness on either side of the floor
but i didnt mean to come off back-handed. i agree lebron even if he seems like some steroid cyborg freak is wearing down at the end of games but then its like this is the heats problem: they have little depth and the dropoff in everything when you sub jones for james will be instantly felt even for 4-5 minutes unless wade plays like he’s in the ncaa tourney with marquette again
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 9, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
DIRK
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
okay i want to point some things out
although miami took chicago out in 5 we can say it wasnt easy. chicago’s defense kept them in the games but the fact they didnt have a scorer like uhhh ben gordon next to rose made their offense too 1-dimesional
now dallas is able to control miami depsite them having perimeter players like wade, james, miller, and even chalmers(for his defense and 3 point shooting). dallas is starting freaking jj barea and masking barea and terry with zone
what do these teams have in common? they have a plethora of defenders and play solid team defense and what chicago lacks in that second-hand ben gordon scoring punch dallas has in terry
now how close are the dubz to this mode.
for one if they got ANY production out of the 5 spot on either end would be a hell of a start
second: how do you compare curry and ellis to rose and bogans/brewer or kidd and barea/terry? give me a backup point that can play defense like a 38 year old kidd and some solid stevensons, brewers, bogans, marions etc to help mask steph and montas defensive shortcomings
three: the team identity of run and gun(albiet its fun) needs to change. this team needs to learn how to play defense first and play in delayed transition. if all else fails let monta or steph do their thing. you cant run if you give up buckets
i think we can all agree that right now udoh is the best defender. this team has no average perimeter defender and besides udoh they lack frontcourt defense. team defense is poor as well and the bench brings next to nothing almost every night
if dallas can play kidd/marion/stevenson in roatation with terry and barea against the heat and win by using zone to mask the perimeter deficiencies and playing kidd on cross-matches. the warriors can do the same
for one hope there is an amnesty and drop bieds and go get a quality 5 in FA. then hope kawhi leonard falls if not take BPA. At this point i think it should come down to valuciannis or singleton
then one-way defenders are real cheap. go to hoopshype and look up the salaries of one way defenders who arent ask to do much on offense i think ronnie brewer makes the most at 4.7 million but that is an aberration. again the starting 4 plus a 5 that brings even 8 points a game and solid defense is enough offense. go get perimeter defenders to help mask monta and steph
dallas shows you can mask small backcourts with the right pieces and schemes. and the bulls show no matter how small they are legit nba scorers are needed against solid defense. there is no one man wrecking crew. how dedicated are the warriors to changing the culture and implementing a defense first system
monta, terry, ben gordon? who is the best right now? who would want right now(based off age, contract, ability). now we dont have a dirk but if lee can do 18 and 12 and the 5 can do 8 and 8 i think a growing steph/monta/dorell trio can be enough offense
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 9, 2011 9:20 PM PDT reply actions
second: how do you compare curry and ellis to rose and bogans/brewer or kidd and barea/terry? give me a backup point that can play defense like a 38 year old kidd and some solid stevensons, brewers, bogans, marions etc to help mask steph and montas defensive shortcomings
First of all, you need to recognize some things about Terry, who seems like the logical comparison to Monta on that team.
First of all, Terry is not a good defender, but if you look at his on court/off court stuff you see that he’s nowhere near as bad as Monta has been. There’s a tendency to look at bad players and say “oh, well, they’re both bad defenders, so its even” but Terry, while bad, has been much better these past two years than Monta.
Second of all, Terry is an efficient scorer – not incredibly so, but he’s been average-to-above-average almost his entire career. Terry is doing something a lot of us want to see Monta do – “first, do no harm.” He doesn’t take shots away from the more efficient players on the court.
Lastly, understand that Dallas is a bunch of role players. If anything, the success of Dallas shows you how important having a true superstar on your team is. Dallas can survive with some poor individual defenders because they have true offensive greatness on their team. The Warriors don’t. Monta is not in Dirk’s class as a scorer. It’s not close.
Further looking at Dallas: Kidd, for most of his time in Dallas, has been a very good defender. Extremely good. He’s also big and strong enough to defend bigger shooting guards, which allows the team to play Barea and Terry against point guards, where they’re not overmatched as much. (Worth pointing out that they didn’t zone all the time all season, it’s a specific matchup that they’re using against Miami).
So you can’t say that Dallas is a “small backcourt” team – because Kidd is such a unique player. A Monta-Kidd backcourt would work (well, if we could un-age Kidd a few years) in the sense that Kidd could be the PG offensively but the SG defensively, which would solve a big part of Monta’s defensive problems.
sigh
missing the point. Put monta in Terry’s role he’ll do better. But he’s not playing with Dirk, Kidd, Mario, Chandler, Barea etc.
Dallas is just an excellent TEAM. Miami may have more talent, but I emphasis the team factor. Miami needs to regroup and atleast play their aggressive team defense if they wanna salvage the series.
monta, terry, ben gordon? who is the best right now? who would want right now(based off age, contract, ability). now we dont have a dirk but if lee can do 18 and 12 and the 5 can do 8 and 8 i think a growing steph/monta/dorell trio can be enough offense
i agree with your point, but the ‘not having a dirk’ is a MAJOR factor. We’re all in agreement Monta is a unique player with some excellent skills. But he’s not an alpha player.
i agree which is why i put emphasis on monta's defeciencies
when you are a superstar alpha dog you tend to have one tiny weakness that people disregard because you dominate everything else
monta is not that. he will never be that unless he gained the point guard ability of steve nash. he needs a roster makeup that masks him on defense either letting him overpress other twos and chase them into double-teams or to the paint to get blocked or guard the other teams point guard on cross-matches
but i’m saying the problems with this team lay way past monta not being a solid all around stud. the roster is just flawed but monta is an unique talent you dont just cast away
it wont be easy or quick but the warriors can go out and get some cheap defenders to dissolve the major minutes monta and steph play together before the 4th quarter and then go get any production from the 5 spot. sefolosha, corey brewer, keith bogans, anthony carter, etc these guys are defensive hounds that make basically nothing. the only defensive guys that are paid big money are guys that score or facilitate on offense
and yes lee is not dirk but i’m not asking them to be instant title contenders. just being a perennial playoff team hopefully would lead to feuling everyones passion for a ring and improving their weaknesses and then make oakland a more favorable destination for free agents who wouldnt mind a paycut to go title hunting. plus once you get to the playoffs anything can happen
and you cannot run and gun if you are constantly inbounding the ball after the opponents make a bucket. if you play solid defense and force turnovers and bad missed shots you dont need 4 20 ppg scorers to make transition layups and dunks
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 10, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
but i’m saying the problems with this team lay way past monta not being a solid all around stud. the roster is just flawed but monta is an unique talent you dont just cast away
Who’s advocating “just casting him away?”
People want to get value for him. We just see that said value can take forms other than volume scoring.
The center position is a bigger problem for the Warriors. But claiming that we should try to address other problems because we have a problem at center is sort of crazy.
well monta straight up for iggy is casting him away
sure igoudola brings elite defense and a mix of rebounding, size, and playmaking but at this point in his career he is a worse number 1 option on an average team than monta.
he folded up in the first round. its not like derrick rose who shot 7 percent and was the mvp. igoudola averaged 5 shot attempts a game in the first round. he lacks range past 20 feet a la josh smith and since he wants to be point forward he declines to slash off the ball
we agree the center spot is the first thing needed to be upgraded but iguodola seems like a lateral move if the defensive makeup of the other 11 guys remains the same which in the long run would be negative if he remains in his passive point forward role while collecting about 10 million more than what monta will
if the team could just get some defensive role players and convince monta to be jason terry/jamal crawford(post gsw-era)/ben gordon(chicago) on steroids. it would go a long way
if dallas can go this deep with barea and terry. the warriors have to at least try and mold their roster after dallas with a defensive identity before giving up on monta/steph
remember how quick the kings gave up on tyreke and kevin martin and how much they kicked themsleves in the foot? luckily marcus thornton is a mini-me version of k-mart making like 10% of what k-mart makes
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 10, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
give me a backup point that can play defense like a 38 year old kidd and some solid stevensons
Haha, Give me Lebron so I can give him a swift kick and tell him to get out there and play HIS game. There’s no good reason Dallas should win one game of this series. This is why I never watch NBA playoffs unless the Warriors or that other Cali team are in them, just too frustrating.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 9, 2011 11:08 PM PDT reply actions
but then you say why is wade going off
and lebron isnt? lebron is basically better at wade at everything. wasnt wade claiming fatigue in the chicago series due to the boston series and now its lebron claiming it?
take into account dallas is not at full strength and then you really wonder how flawed the heat really are?
insert caron butler and roddy beaubois in the lineup with haywood and dallas takes this in 5 games or less
like i said, he may have been overpaid but ben gordon is a proven nba scorer and would have kept rose free(or got deng easy buckets) when they put lebron on rose
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 10, 2011 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Lebron is the best.
He is not the number 2 guy on any team.
He did get a triple double. Stats prove everything.
He can be in the league for 17 years. King with no Rings. He is still the best.
Dont work on a consistent jump shot. You’re doing just fine Lebron.
Your lovers will be loyal to you forever and think you are the best. you are better than Michael Jordan.
Just ask Scottie Pippen.
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jun 9, 2011 11:46 PM PDT reply actions
Why does Lebron settle for jumpshots so much..is he afraid of going in and getting dirty..I don't get it.
..I don't get it.
the only answer that makes any sense is Lebron has placed a huge bet on the mavs? Anyone who’s ever seen him play knows that if he takes it to the hole every possession he’s either gonna score , get fouled for a free throw or kill off the defenders one by one if they take the charge.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 10, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Stephensen might be getting underrted for his good defense on Lebron
Watch his hands… he’s reaching/making Lebron self conscious of his dribble everytime.
he’s reaching/making Lebron self conscious of his dribble everytime
then he just needs to get up more speed and pick up the ball at the free throw line and forget the dribble.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 10, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah not like refs would call him for traveling or anything
half of his career game winners came after a travel
yeah not like refs would call him for traveling or anything
Lebron is fully capable of reaching the rim in 2 steps from the freethrow line.
He’s twice as powerful as Montay ellis you know?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 10, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I heard a couple things why Lebron is not the driver he used to be...
his athletism is already on the decline..he’s trying to extend his career. You usually see guys become more jump shot oriented as their athletism begins to disappear. Also Lebron is trying to extend his career because he wants to beat Kareems all time scoring mark.
hmmm
I don’t buy it.
I think it’s one part fatigue (i mean he carries A LOT of weight)
Another part dallas’ defense deserves credit for constantly checking is dribble
And final part is fear/over thinking. Look at his face, he seems to kind of be uncomfortable
Absolutely agreed on the overthinking thing -
One of the things I used to love about watching LeBron play was how much fun he seemed to be having. There was this aspect to him which always looked like he was thinking, “Wow, I get to do this for a living? And I’m really really good at it!”
But I’ve only rarely seen that sort of look on his face recently – he looks tense, like he’s thinking about what people will say after the game. Like maybe he doesn’t really want to drive into traffic because it’s hard.
I don’t buy it.
all those things could be fixed by coaching.
With Lebron, Wade, and bosh there’s no reason to tire any of them out. Let each one carry the team for 1/3 of the game and keep them all fresh for the end.
If Dallas wants to bother the dribble just pass it around and make them chase it till they lose interest in it.
If he’s uncomfortable make him comfortable.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 10, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe he misses Mike Malone
or someone else who knew how to get him relaxed and confident back in Cle. He did have high words of praise and encouragement over Malone’s move.
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