The Idea of The Mississippi Bullet shooting elsewhere
by iHypeTV on Jun 9, 2011 7:37 PM PDT
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| Height w/o Shoes | Height w/shoes | Weight | Wingspan | Standing Reach | Body Fat | No Step Vert | Max Vert | Bench Press | Lane Agility | 3/4 Court Sprint | Class Rank |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6' 2.25" | 6' 3.25" | 177 | 6' 2.75" | 8' 2" | NA | 26.5 | 31.5 | 12.13 | 3.31 | 70 |
Before anybody thinks I am bashing Monta Ellis I want to let it be known that I am a huge fan of his. I have been keeping up with his basketball skills since his Lanier days (I have mentioned I still have a copy of high school article from SLAM Magazine) and have watched him grown from the quiet low-key rookie to the captain of just an average (as in not a playoff team but definitely not the Timberwolves or Cavaliers) basketball team.
I think the reason most people do not want to see him go is because he is the last player left from the We Believe Movement (I don't count Andris Biedrins as part of the roster anymore) and that seeing him in a different jersey would only be disgusting. BUT what you are not realizing is that holding onto him for so long treating him as our star player is only crippling this franchise. I think the best for not only him but for Stephen Curry as well is that they be broken up; I know people would rather see Curry go because he has more "trade value" but it's not going to happen. I say it is not going to happen as Curry is still on a rookie scale contract and we will not get fair value in return whatsoever UNLESS we package him for Dwight Howard or Chris Paul which is not happening as of right now, we'll see next summer though!.
I do not mind Monta being traded to a contender as long as it not any team in our conference ESPECIALLY the Lakers. If Monta is traded for a "big man" it would be an undersized tweener like Josh Smith and we already have Lee so it wouldn't make any sense so the best thing for this franchise to do is trade him for size at one of the wing positions; it is the only thing that make sense for this franchise and Curry's development.
A LIST OF PLAYERS THAT PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD HAVE HAD INTEREST IN:
Andre Iguodala (SF/SG)- 6'7 & 215 LBS
PROS: He is the best compliment to Steph Curry's game out there available and this seem like the most likely trade scenario at the moment. He brings defense toughness that will help with new coach Mark Jackson's philosophy and has leadership skills that will come in handy.
CONS: His contract can be scary for those not knowing much about basketball and some have argued that his offensive skills have taken a dip since the 08-09 season but on a team like this one with so many weapons his defensive will make up for that.
ANDREW BYNUM (C)- 7'0 & 285 LBS
(I wonder what Kobe was looking at?!)
PROS: Despite being overshadowed by Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, & Lamar Odom he shows promise and potential to be franchise player worthy. Despite being in the league for about six years now he is still ONLY 23 YEARS OLD. Once Kobe retires I can see the Lakers finally passing the torch over to this guy.
CONS: His knees are definitely a killer as he is ONLY 23 YEARS OLD with the knee problems of a 10-year veteran. His immaturity is also a killer as dirty plays in recent years on Gerald Wallace, Michael Beasley and recently J.J. Barea shows he still has a long way to go in that facet of being professional. Last but not least, the Lakers aren't going to let him go unless it possibly lures Dwight Howard out of Orlando which is probably not going to happen. (I really don't want Monta to be in the same division as us just to throw that in there.)
JOSH SMITH (TWEENER)- 6'8 & 220 LBS?!
PROS: I put the question mark next to Josh Smith's physique numbers because he looks bigger and plays bigger than what he truly is known for. He has above average passing/ballhandling skills for a tweener and can rebound better than most. He brings defensive toughness that will be needed for this team moving forward.
CONS: He can't shoot...POINT...BLANK...PERIOD...and his shot selection is terrible. If we didn't have David Lee (an undersized "big man" in his own right) I would say he would be possibly the best option after Iggy . The only way I see him going is if we can package David Lee's huge contract with him but we all know that's not happening. ATL will try to swap Dorell Wright for Marvin Williams as well which is also not happening.
LUOL DENG (SF/SG)- 6'9 & 220 LBS
PROS: A very versatile player that has improved in nearly every aspect of his game since coming into the league and can be the defensive stopper that Dorell Wright was supposed to be. He has proven he can play under pressure which is something a young team like the Warriors desperately need as they made a lot of mental errors late in games all of last season.
CONS: His contract...it's just plain awful and he would be sending us back a couple of seasons if we took on his contract. The Bulls are a huge fan of Luol Deng within the organization and they might not be willing to move him for an undersized combo guard in Monta when they already have one in Derrick Rose.
BRANDON ROY (SF/SG/PG)- 6'6 & 210 LBS
(No, just no!!!!)
DERRICK WILLIAMS (TWEENER)- 6'9 & 250 LBS
(This only happens if Minnesota is ignorant enough to trade us their draft choice for Monta in addition to Irving being selected by the Cavaliers with the #1 Pick!)
PROS: He's young, he has a swagger to his game, and not only that he has potential to be a star in this league for years to come. A core of the future of him, Ekpe Udoh, & Curry would not only be intimidating down the line but it will cause havoc as they will have the potential to destroy you offensively and defensively if developed properly. On the business side of things we will definitely have more cap space for the summer if Monta is traded to Minnesota allowing us to have more on the side to sign AN IMPACT CENTER.
CONS: Monta's game is just too much to just trade away for an unproven rookie alone in addition it just would not be right to send him to the Timberwolves to play with Kevin Love & the great Ricky Rubio. I wouldn't make this trade unless the Wolves handed us Wesley Johnson & possibly a future draft pick as well.
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Even though it will be hard for some of us to deal with, but Monta Ellis being traded now while Curry is still young is the best thing this organization can do not only for now but in the long run. Monta would do better player next to a bigger combo guard that can defend the shooting guards in the league like Jrue Holiday, Rodney Stuckey, or even a Jason Kidd. Monta will always be a Warrior for Life probably just not in one of our uniforms...
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Sad thing is...
None of those players are in Monta’s league
by Yung_Rydah on Jun 9, 2011 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
None of them, eh? And you base that on what, exactly?
by Missing Barry on Jun 9, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
you're right
monta is not in their league…they are one league HIGHER.
stephen curry
by bimmercirem3 on Jun 9, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
This proves what happens when you watch nothing but highlight videos on Youtube and not the whole game…SMH!
exactly.
ive been watching these highlight videos these guys are posting of monta ellis. it certainly gets me excited. but what the highlights don’t really show is their other aspects of their game. highlight games are to only excite fans not really show their all around game.
stephen curry
TOTALLY AGREE.
The other day I was watching a JR Smith highlight video and if I didn’t know any better you would think he was Russell Westbrook with three point range but when you watch the game you wanna barf knowing he’s a free agent and his inconsistent play can come to your team.
If we could get JR Smith on a cheapish MLE-type deal, I’d probably take him and his inconsistent play over Monta and his inconsistent play. They’re fairly similar players except that Smith is three inches taller, a lot longer, a more efficient scorer and a better rebounder. Monta’s a better passer and seems like a nicer, cooler guy, but as the Logo says, “size matters.” (Salary too).
There will be no extra point!
I like how you called JR Smith inconsistent & efficient all in one statement.
But yeah I would want him to start and a more consistent player like Reggie Williams backing him up off the bench as there would be a balance in it all. Isn’t JR younger than Monta as well?
he didnt say smith was efficient
he said smith was more efficient than monta, who is not efficient
I understood that.
I’m just saying I find it funny how he would take somebody’s efficiency even though it will come inconsistently.
someone should make a video of Monta getting burned making playing poor defense
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 10, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
And risk being labeled a hater?
You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 10, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
well...
to be fair, that would be a pretty big hater move
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 10, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
To put so much energy into hate is a different level of hate.
You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 10, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, watching the JSmooth highlight reel is like watching old people [play scrabble].
There will be no extra point!
My scrabble matches are real barnburners. People come from miles around. 17 billion fans on facebook.
by Uwe Blog on Jun 10, 2011 1:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Trading for the #2 is the best option
West is known to gamble. Allows cap space to sign a C & SG. Best case scenario:
Curry/Stuckey
Afflalo/ Burks
Wright/ Derek Williams
Lee/Amundson
Nene/Udoh (Instead of letting Nene and Afllalo walk, we talk Denver into a S&T for Biedrins and Williams for Afflalo and Nene…..btw I was able to use the exception in the new CBA to dump Charlie Bell without affecting payroll.)
I know it’s not possible but it’s nice to dream…..
It smells like hope in this mug
Nene
We love Nene because we are seeing him as he is currently, but he wants a 5 year contract for $15 million per year. He is 29, relies mostly on athleticism, and he had health issues when young. When his athleticism goes, so will his game. I don’t think he has five good years in him… maybe not even three.
by pericles31081 on Jun 9, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve watched Nene since he was Maybner Hilario, and I don’t get why you say he relies on athleticism. His footwork is superb, and he has soft hands and a nice touch. His biggest health issue was testicular cancer, and he’s been pretty healthy ever since.
by Uwe Blog on Jun 10, 2011 1:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He's had knee problems too
You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 10, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Nene has superior strength, even by NBA standards. True, he will not always be the kind of player who can go coast to coast (even outrunning 3’s) and dunk on everyone, but he will retain his soft hands and his power. This may or may not encourage him to cater to a different style of play when he’s older, but the trend would suggest that he eventually would.
this makes me miss Biedrins
but he will retain his soft hands and his power
seriously, what happened here?
I know I’m a sucker, but I’m still hopeful he can come back next year and pull himself out of the gutter
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 10, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He needs to improve his conditioning. I think he’s out of shape, and possibly a little depressed. I know he’s a smoker, but I don’t know what his personal life is like. A rigorous work out routine can cure a lot of ills in the mental/emotional department.
well, one thing we do know
Is that he is a daddy now. And, IIRC, the baby was born a little early (didn’t Beans cut out early at the end of last season to head back Latvia?)
being a parent changes people, but it’s too early to tell what sort of Andris is going to come back next year. Based on my experience (and what I can tell from Monta), becoming a parent tends to help focus folk, helps them mature and calm down.
Now…I could easily seen Beans getting all freaked out, but I have to cling to the slim chance that he manages to put his purse away and comes back as the board crashing, put-backing machine that we all miss so much
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jun 13, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I just want too see Monta in the playoffs as a Warrior.
That’s why it hurts to know that might never happen, seeing Monta in another teams jersey might get me tearing up.
by OaklandsFinest30 on Jun 9, 2011 8:40 PM PDT reply actions
That’s why it hurts to know that might never happen again
Let’s not forget the one time it did happen! Good times, good times…
by Missing Barry on Jun 9, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
?
he’s already been in the playoffs as a warrior. he’s also been in the playoffs the only way he’ll ever get in the playoffs, as the 3rd or 4th best player on a team
by AJC3317 on Jun 9, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
^this
he was benched a good portion of those playoffs too, because he was playing like the 7th or 8th best player on that team
I think we all have to accept - even those of us who want to see him go -
- that Monta will surely have some great games on whatever team he ends up on.
And there will be times when we see one of his great/crazy moves which somehow go in and say, “Wow … I miss those shots.”
And we’ll probably – unlike now – see more of those shots that go in than ones that don’t, because we won’t be watching him all the time. It’ll be easy to be nostalgic.
Because even his detractors – like me – have to admit that he’s really fun to watch sometimes.
Andre Iguodala – I like this trade, we get better as a team with more rebounding, passing, and especially defense. Philly gets a huge offensive upgrade. I could see Monta fitting in since Jrue is a big PG and has the defensive potential to guard SG. But apparently we can get more?
Andrew Bynum – No. Let’s be realistic. We are not getting Bynum for Monta. There is no way LA offers Bynum for Monta.
Josh Smith – Love it, love it. He and David Lee can work together. Although, if we do get Smith, I would seriously look to move Lee for expirings. Joe Johnson and Monta could probably be a good fit, but I see ATL moving Smith for a center because they want Horford to play PF.
Luol Deng – Makes sense for both teams. Warriors would get an elite perimeter defender, a good rebounder, and a solid offensive player. Bulls would do it because they were a below average offensive team in the season and the Bulls’ defense would benefit Monta greatly. I’m not sure I would pull the trigger though.
Brandon Roy – No. I’d be happy to take Batum and Wes Matthews though (if they could SnT Patty Mills that would be great too).
The #2 Pick – In a heartbeat.
I'm fine with any team
except the Lakers. The only player I think they might trade that we want is Bynum, and he proved in the playoffs he’s a thug. Plus the thought of Monta in a Laker jersey makes me want to cry.
Wanna feel real torture? Try being a Warrior fan.
I seriously enjoyed Ellis's time as a Warrior and would hate to see hime wear anything resembling purple and gold, but...
If the Lakers want to shoot themselves in the foot and give Andrew Bynum to us for him, then I’d ignore the bad taste in my mouth and help them pull that trigger.
Bynum would be the only one on that list I would want. (maybe D. Williams)
Iggy’s contract is awful, it’s not a matter of knowing basketball. What makes his contract even worse is that there will be (more than) serviceable defensive minded swingmen available in free agency. Battier, Afflalo and Kirilenko are all going to be free agents, and would be better options at whatever price they warrant, than bringing on Iguodala’s contract and sacrificing our teams primary scoring option.
The real albatross on our team is Biedrins. By moving him, we free up cap space (ideally) and provide court time for other big men. Under Mark Jackson, he will either have to reinvent himself as a defense first player, or be on the end of the bench. The successful Mark Jackson – Reggie Miller Pacers teams had Dale and Antonio Davis — I believe this is the style Coach Jackson will aim to emulate when we have a talented back court (as those teams did too).
Biedrins, I believe, is a far bigger issue for this team than Monta is.
"Aaaaaaaal Apalachicola"
I always find it curious when people bring up Biedrins. I think almost everyone agrees he’s the bigger issue, but what does that have to do with Monta? The problem with Biedrins is we might not be able to move him, whereas we can actually move Monta for decent players. Iguodala’s contract really isn’t that much more than Monta, either, and he is a better player.
As for our teams primary scoring option, well, our offense has done better when Monta wasn’t in the game each of the last two years. I think there’s a reasonable argument Monta can still be an effective scorer in another situation, but as a primary scoring option, there’s really no other conclusion we can come to besides “it didn’t work”….
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Iguodala's contract is bad
but he’s a really good player. He probably doesn’t even have a top 30% bad contract.
You are not a warrior; you're a beginner!
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 10, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
the only good arguement i see to having ellis play for a GOOD team in our division or conference is
that if indeed he was on a very defensive team and was able to flourish with a big pg and he torches us and we are baffled at how we arent able to exploit his defensive lack
then ..... that would suck..
but having him on another team COULD be a blessing in disguise as we finally see it from the other side and he is hurting them and making it easier for us to win…
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jun 10, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I think I can speak for most Warrior fans when I say
we all want Monta to succeed, but we know trading him will not only be best for us, but him too. I myself would have loved this backcourt to work out and we’d be a contender, but obviously that wont happen. I think Monta’s grown with/on us ever since we drafted him and it’d be hard to see him drop 25 against us. We all hope he can be the leader who’d lead us to the promised land. I personally hope we don’t trade him and give him one more season (as crazy as that may sound) because I want him to prove the doubters wrong and see us playing on ESPN during the playoffs and everyone seeing We Believe 2 led by Ellis.
With the 11th pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, the Golden State Warriors select...Jimmer Fredette!
by We Still Believe on Jun 10, 2011 11:33 AM PDT reply actions
If its for smith
Curry
Wright
Smith
Lee
Udoh
Is that the lineup we’d be looking at?
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Wright wouldn’t start at the 2. We’d either draft a Burks or a Klay Thompson or(+) make some offers to free agents. I want Afflalo.
On board w/ Afflalo
I’d also like to see us make a play for Battier.
"Aaaaaaaal Apalachicola"
by bonbrillio on Jun 10, 2011 8:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No. Smith is a big man, not a wing. He’s been a much better player ever since ATL realized this.
by Missing Barry on Jun 13, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
JR SMITH
I’d rather get smith to play the Shoot Guard because he is similar to monta but adds more size at 6’6 and 220.pounds. Thats someone who curry needs because on defense smith can guard the bigger guards in the league.
Curry
JR Smith
Josh Smith
Lee
Udoh
Wright the 6th man being used like a combination of Jason Terry and Kyle Korver. because they need wright to help spread the floor as a shooter. This starting line up lacks another shooter. JR is good but no as good as wright
I don’t think Wright shot exceptionally. He played very well for his contract and I see him as a bargain, but if he was getting paid quality veteran money I might be singing a different tune. JR is a better player than Wright. JR is a frustrating teammate, and his twitter account has been a nightmare. He’s gotten into at least one fight at the Pepsi Center and can be a PR problem. But he’s a better shooter, scorer, defender, and ballhandler. When he’s on, he’s an absolutely dominant player.
by Uwe Blog on Jun 11, 2011 10:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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