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Fans, we have a new team president! I think it's a pretty good signing, this guy is very respected in the industry.

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I can hear the jokes now. He resigned from Phoenix because he came out and said he was gay. Knowing how conservative Arizona was he could not stay there so he comes to the liberal Bay Area. He’ll be a fixture in San Fran.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 26, 2011 7:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Ha, yea.

It’s definitely a personal perk from that perspective, but come on would you rather have Rowell?

by ferask1 on Sep 26, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh no! Not at all. Im sure he’s done a great job in Phoenix im just saying its only probably 2 teams in the league where he could be openly gay and it would not really matter. It may actually attract more fans.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 26, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think most of the urban areas are pretty tolerant about that sort of thing, and most big businesses are more worried about profits than sexual affiliation. Even out here in Colorado we have a very large, openly gay community and it’s not an isssue.

 I bet Portland, LA, Boston, NY, Chicago, Miami, and DC wouldn’t think twice about hiring an openly gay team president if they felt he was the best candidate. I’d be willing to bet plenty of team owners have been gay, open about it or not. And I bet plenty of them have gay friends and relatives.

(Damn, that’s too many bets… I’m starting to sound like you!)

The ultrarich have a long history of homosexuality. The openness nowadays is newer to our society, but aristocracy has always had lots of homosexuals so I don’t think it would be an issue inside of the professional community. Some of the fanbases wouldn’t like it, but I think a lot of them wouldn’t care.

You might be right about it being a popular PR hiring in the Bay though.

by Uwe Blog on Sep 26, 2011 8:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with you about some things. I dont think Portland is as tolerant as you would think they are. Miami is still in a Republican state despite the fact that its sin city pt.2. I think the only other tolerant market thats like the bay is new york. Yeah the ultrarich do have a history of homosexuality. But their fanbase is what they think about. They dont want the attention that comes with hiring a openly gay guy. Or at least I dont believe they do.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 26, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

from what ive seen

they have a pretty large gay population just by walking around portland. they have gay festivals annually too i think.

curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.

by bimmercirem3 on Sep 27, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

acc. to demographic stats Por

is amongst several others with an identifiable LGBT population between 30 and 40k, in terms of percentage of the city’s population, 8-10%; the other places that can be described that way are Sac, Den, DC. So it’s not statistically verifiable that Por has ‘the highest gay % of population in the USA’. In terms of concentration and visibility, the LGBT segment is probably more obvious in Por than the other three cities. DC is interesting because geographically it’s relatively small and confined, and its LGBT population is clearly significant, but maybe some adhere to more superficially conventional behaviour, relative to places like SF, Por, Hollywood.

it’s actually smaller communities like Guerneville, CA, Provincetown, MA, West Hollywood or Laguna Beach, CA that can claim to have the largest percentages of their populations that are LGBT.

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by the.monk on Sep 27, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe. Generally, the big cities tend to be pretty liberal, especially compared to their surrounding rural regions. Of course, there are exceptions. I think there would be varying degrees of acceptance in different areas, but I’m sure that a qualified homosexual can get a public position in several NBA cities.

by Uwe Blog on Sep 26, 2011 10:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

the cities with the largest LGBT populations

in gross numbers, more than 100k, are NYC, LA, Chi, with SF a close fourth. the other places with >50k LGBT populations are Phx, Hou, SD, Dal, Sea, Bos.

looking at what portion of a city’s population is LGBT adds a couple of more places to the usual suspects — these towns also have a statistically visible part of their peoples in those groups —Atl, Minn, Sac, Den, DC.

FLA made a significant shift, going by the 2000 and 2010 census, and they were the last state to allow same gender parents to legally adopt. ‘same sex’ couple households increased by 60% acc. to the census in that decade; the other metro areas besides Mia with a statistically relevant chunk of the total metro population identified as LGBT are Orl and Tampa.

Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)

by the.monk on Sep 27, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is good right?

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by GSW9 on Sep 26, 2011 7:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Its good if he helps the team. Regardless of orientation.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 26, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

But since he has no control over basketball ops he can only help the fan experience at best.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 26, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Did I really just +1 a J-RIDAH comment?

by Uwe Blog on Sep 26, 2011 8:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

If you did you took it back real quick.lol.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 26, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!

by Anonymous1337 on Sep 26, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Its plenty of Gay clubs in SF. Of course I dont have to tell u that.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 26, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats him and his man. Yeah expect to hear alotta jokes if your a dub fan outside the bay.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 26, 2011 8:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Except who the Warriors hire isn’t news outside of the Bay…

by Uwe Blog on Sep 26, 2011 8:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not news but when you say who your team is some assholes might bring it up.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 26, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha, I wish I knew people that followed basketball that closely! That’s why I come here!

by Uwe Blog on Sep 26, 2011 10:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Huge props to GSW

For something that is so stigmatizing in the sports world, great job by the GSWs to look beyond the fact that he is gay and instead look at his ability as an executive. This is 2011, there is no place for homophobia in a civilized society. cough Phoenix cough

by Slightly Hyphy on Sep 26, 2011 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Do you think society can accept a gay athlete? I dont think they are ready to see a guy win a championship and bring his husband on the stage afterwards and kiss him.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 26, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t see any reason why that would be a problem. If you, or anyone else, would feel very uncomfortable if you saw something like that, maybe it’s best to ask yourself why?

by Slightly Hyphy on Sep 26, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That wasnt my question. My question is do you think society is ready for it. Do you think ppl would treat it the same way as a player kissing his wife? Do you think parents would react negatively to it? Do you think the league would lose sponsorships?

by J-RIDAH on Sep 27, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

People just need to get over it

A lot of people are culturally/mentally conditioned to believe whats good and whats bad, and attach themselves to such a moronic ideal you really see no progression for society as a whole.

Whats the big deal about a guy kissing another guy? Or another chick grinding on another chick? We are just animals, and there are lots of other animals who have “intercourse” within the same sex of that species.

MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!

by Anonymous1337 on Sep 27, 2011 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t matter if society is ready. This is a reality and like Anonymous1337 says, people just need to deal with it.

@DoctorKajita

by Doctor Kajita on Sep 27, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

It sucks that the point of your question was either missed or ignored.

I would have liked to see others’ responses to it.

I, for one, would say no. Ignoring how I feel about it, there’s a reason Prop 8 passed in California and why a number of other states still don’t allow gay marriage. There’s also a large population against the idea of homosexuality in general. The NBA and the individual player would receive a heavily negative response, especially initially.

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by Brownie13 on Sep 28, 2011 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

of course there would be negative reactions

and many would be loud and public. Religion and politics would get into the mix of public denunciations of ‘immoral’ public behaviour. Major league sports like to build on the myth that they unite their fans. [ Of course we know that some of the folks who are most outspoken about defending ‘x-tian’ or ‘family’ values won’t let those prohibitions get in the way of their own personal conveniences.]

 A professional athlete in a team sport has been immersed in an intense, insular subculture since childhood with defined behaviour expected from him (women athletes generally have been more open to coming out). The recurring expletive ‘faggott’ coming from male athletes doesn’t just spontaneously pop into their mouths. Things will start to change when prominent stars are open about ‘alternative sexual preferences’.

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by the.monk on Sep 28, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Society yes.

Athletes with all their macho BS, will probability still have some problems.

"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."

Frank Zappa

by qin on Sep 28, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

A star actress was just kicked off a plane because she was kissing her girlfriend in front of children. Society wont embrace it the way some ppl would like.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 28, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also from South West

Earlier this month, the Dallas-based airline kicked off Green Day’s lead man Billie Joe Armstrong for wearing his pants too low. The Grammy winner was escorted off a plane after failing to follow a flight attendant’s directive to pull the pants up.

Southwest also removed director Kevin Smith from a flight last year because he didn’t fit properly in a single seat. His first tweet read, “Dear (at)SouthwestAir I know I’m fat, but was (the) captain (…) really justified in throwing me off a flight for which I was already seated?”

There having their issues, not just with a kissing gay couple.

"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."

Frank Zappa

by qin on Sep 29, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

And last time I checked, “society” doesn’t only consist of fascist airline employees. I am using the word “fascist” very loosely here, btw.

@DoctorKajita

by Doctor Kajita on Sep 29, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

He wasn't ousted in Phoenix because of his sexual orientation.

So why are we coughing at them? As the.monk pointed out above:

>50k LGBT populations are Phx…

He had the public support of prominent players like Grant Hill and Jared Dudley and the Suns’ Owner, Robert Sarver.

I don’t give our front office any more props for hiring him than if he were straight. I would actually give less props if I found out it played a big role in his hiring. I would hope it to be a strictly business decision. I don’t particularly care that he’s gay. Sadly there’s more talk about that here than what he actually did in Phoenix. He seems to have a good reputation, but I want more specifics to why he’s such a good hiring.

Also, the notion that the year should affect what’s right and wrong is ridiculous.

http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/

by Brownie13 on Sep 28, 2011 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Welts has a prominent place in the league's history already

he had a huge role in building the league’s merchandising sector during the expansion/boom period that created the myth of Stern as a omnipotent sports exec. In some ways this hire can be compared to making West a minority owner and member of the exec committee — these are two very successful and prominent people who believe they can help push the Lacob-Gruber machine to better places.

Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)

by the.monk on Sep 28, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's good.

And something I didn’t know. Thanks.

http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/

by Brownie13 on Sep 28, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

the notion that the year should affect what’s right and wrong is ridiculous.

I don’t know, the implication of the phrase “this is 2011” is pretty clear to me. By and large, as a society, we’ve become more tolerant and less bigoted since WWII. Discrimination in public accommodations (drinking fountains, e.g.) was considered acceptable and legal in the US till 1964. Anti-miscegenation laws (i.e. laws against interracial marriage) were on the books in some States till 1967. Now most of us think of those laws as fairly monstrous.

“This is 2011” is a simple way of expressing impatience or dismay that, more than 40 years after those bigoted laws were repealed, similar discrimination still applies to gay people.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 28, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't things haven't changed.

I said it’s ridiculous that the year should have mattered in the first place.

http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/

by Brownie13 on Sep 28, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

*didn't say

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by Brownie13 on Sep 28, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea! It does!

What is awesome is just how all these pieces are falling into place. It builds a lot of chemistry when you get amazing people with amazing track records that really really want to be here for every reason too.

by ferask1 on Sep 27, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great signing!

He actually made the all star weekend?

F the Po Po

by bojangles408 on Sep 27, 2011 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Who cares about his sexual orientation

I’m more worried about job performance. Let’s see where he takes this team from a business standpoint

by JustSomeName on Sep 27, 2011 2:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Uh oh.

I wonder how Pastor Mark Jackson is going to feel about this?

by Lacob's Ladder on Sep 28, 2011 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought

the same thing

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by GSW9 on Sep 28, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahem...
Jackson’s is a nondenominational church, based in common evangelical Christian doctrines. It hasn’t shown any political activism but is involved in many of the community’s charities. The truest spirit of the church seems to be expressions of love for everyone and enthusiastic worship.

LINK

@DoctorKajita

by Doctor Kajita on Sep 28, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

It’s quite a misconception that “religion” = intolerance.

@DoctorKajita

by Doctor Kajita on Sep 28, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

yup. non issue. MJ didnt choose who lacob hired there.

besides ur supposed to remove the log from ur own eye before u try to remove the splinter from another mans eye. MJ prob has some class and wouldnt trip.

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Sep 28, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I honestly wasn't even talking about his religious views.

I mean he just flip flops on TV all the time. One minute a dude sucks, the next minute “mama there goes that man”.

Ron Paul 2012

by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 28, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, but what view would he flip flop from on this hire? We were clearly talking about his faith and how it perceivably can conflict with the hire due Welts’ sexual orientation.

@DoctorKajita

by Doctor Kajita on Sep 29, 2011 12:32 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Homosexuality, in Christianity, is a sin.

So are pride, lust, envy, and greed.

Notice how those 4 don’t typically conflict with Christian’s ability to work with the “sinners.” The same goes for homosexuals.

I’m not even sure what you’re arguing, just not sure you have your facts straight.

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by Brownie13 on Sep 29, 2011 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do have my facts straight.

Whether you want to ‘believe’ it is another story. Don’t say homosexuality has been put on the same ground as pride, envy, lust, and greed. I don’t think you have the Pope calling greedy people getting married as a fatal sin and something destroying the world. You don’t have a huge political issue over how people are, yet alot of Christian’s have very negative connotations of homosexuals.

Ron Paul 2012

by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 29, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like Dr. Kajita said

you’re coming in with a preconceived notion about the religious take on homosexuals. Those aren’t facts.

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by Brownie13 on Oct 2, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of churches have descriptions’ similar to Jackson’s and denounce homosexuality.

So that makes it okay for you to have preconceived notions? It was pretty easy for me to look up Mark Jackson’s church and articles about it and determine that he’s not a homophobe.

@DoctorKajita

by Doctor Kajita on Sep 29, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Christianity would = intolerance if thats what you wanna call it. Because they believe homosexuals are going to hell if they dont repent and change their ways.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 29, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

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