Recap #15: Indiana Pacers 94, Golden State Warriors 91 - Monta Ellis goes too late again, history repeating itself
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Sensory overload on the last critical play here. Sooo many things to talk about. But before I do that, let me preface by saying it's hard not to be too scathing on the Warriors and their basketball operations -- I'm talking from the top at Joe Lacob and Jerry West down to the assistant coaches, because I feel like history is repeating itself.
Where do we begin? First, the "blown" kicked ball. Because I hire refs for my league all the time and one of our Vegas tournament refs is now an actual NBA official (Tre Maddox), I can tell you that there was no referee in the exact same position as the replay camera, so no human referee, in the areas on the court where they were supposed to be, could have seen the ball actually getting kicked. It was such a quick-reflex play, no referee on this planet would have blown the whistle.
The other two refs? Irrelevant. They are not supposed to be making a call that's not in their jurisdiction or area of the court. And I've actually had a ref in my league who made calls that over-ruled another ref's jurisdiction. It's a huge no-no. You just don't do it. I quietly fired that ref. That would be like in a Ford assembly plant where the robot which installs the hood of a truck all of a sudden decides to try and install the seats. You stick to your role on each play and you only over-rule if the play crossed over into your area and the ref who was supposed to make the call agrees to your over-rule.
But how about Monta Ellis once again not attacking with no less than six seconds remaining? According to the replay he went at around less than 5 ticks left.
Why do I say six seconds? Because I once had seats in row four behind the Denver Nuggets bench at The Oracle and in a game where Carmelo Anthony hit the game-winner, followed by a Mike Dunleavy brick at the buzzer, I had heard Coach George Karl scream at Melo to "go at six!" And that makes perfect sense.
On Twitter, Matt Steinmetz suggested that Monta's crossover to the left was due to the fact that he had done that to the Pacers before, but perhaps Hill had a scouting report on Monta. Whatever the case, we've seen this so many times that we know either Monta is going hard right, or the little crossover left. There's not much else in the arsenal. No spin, no shoulder fakes, no stutter steps. Contrast that to, say, Derrick Rose. He has the ball up top with six seconds, you really have no idea which way he's going.
Let us dissect further.
How about at least an on-ball screen after the previous two last-second going-too-late mess-ups from Monta? Why must Monta dribble past the defender all by himself? Should the ball even be in the hands of Monta? Is there an assistant coach working with Monta on these last-second moves, looking at game tape? You would assume so, but now I have to ask because it's happened three times this season.
What about Stephen Curry's and-one foul chasing down Hill?
There's an overarching theme here. We've seen endings like this before. We've seen developments to the endings like this before. Roy Hibbert had a career-high 16 rebounds through just three quarters, which shows the inside dominance the Pacers had on the Warriors. We've seen the Warriors get beat up down low before. We've seen Andris Biedrins make some "good lord" blunders. We've seen David Lee be the Number Two offensive weapon, an aspect of his game that did not result in his All-Star appearance with the Knicks (he was named an All-Star because of his super-bottom-feeder abilities), only to see awkwardly created shots go up and fall off the rim.
One problem with this theme is that when you are the fifth option, as Mark Jackson would vehemently disagree with me, Biedrins is going to be in a near-irreparable pyschological quandry. Those of you who were actually the fifth option on your school or youth team, or on the playground, can relate (note: I have been the 1st through 5th options on my teams -- after a few years, you figure out where to play so you're not ever the fifth option). When you're that 5th man at the playground and you get an offensive rebound, proceeded immediately by your four teammates screaming at you to pass them the ball, a pyschological barrier is created. Your basketball self-esteem drops to zero. There is only one way out: leave and find a new team. And yes, I speak from experience.
If you can't shake things up with a big-man acquisition, may I ask, does Curry need to start? You can justify bringing Steph off the bench, with that bum ankle. Why not start Dorell Wright at the 2 and Brandon Rush at the 3? At least then you have, in height if not girth, a lineup that meets the NBA average.
OK, I'm done berating.
Other observations/issues:
- Actually, nice to see Steph back and doing some of his trademark moves. But we're all cringing at the sight of that white ankle and calf bandage, right? Steinmetz suggests sitting him and thinking about the Dubs' draft issues.
- David West, beast. Let me take that "Poor Man's David West" talk I made about Brandon Rush. With all due respect to Rush, I retract that statement and it's not because of anything Rush did. It's because David West. Is. A. Beast.
- So the Pacers subtracted Brandon Rush and Mike Dunleavy, among others I'm sure, and added D.West and George Hill? I didn't even notice. Look at Larry Bird making these stealth moves. As I've written before, I really liked last year's version, especially when they beat the Heat. This year's is even better.
- Great offensive game by George Hill, too.
- Great first half shooting from Dorell Wright. But I say again, would it kill the Warriors to play him at the 2 and Rush at the 3?
- I still like Hibbert, even though he looks less inspired this year than last year. Have no clue why he appears that way to me.
- Nate Robinson provided a small spark at the end of the 3rd. Dominic McGuire tipped in what would have been Nate's third straight "wow" bucket to close the quarter up 2. Unfortunately, the momentum ended there and most of the 4th was a repeat of the first 3 quarters of doldrums basketball.
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I get that those end of game/quarter Monta plays are foolish but I was at the game and could clearly see that ball was kicked. It wasn’t a particularly hard call and its a call that is always made, IMO.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
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by Murderer's Rowand on Jan 21, 2012 12:20 AM PST reply actions
Heck
NBA refs just about always call it whether it looked intentional or not anyways.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 21, 2012 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
exactly.
Plus I didn’t brave that CRAZY rain storm for a game to end like that!
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
-Earl Wilson
by Murderer's Rowand on Jan 21, 2012 12:29 AM PST reply actions
Biedrins and Lee got destroyed, Lee can only beat up on worthless bigs but can never rise to the challenge more often then not
If we do end up trading one of our starters I truly hope its Andris. Monta and Wright were our only guys playing well. I think Lee lost us this game
Curry had a good 4th but a bad game, but its his first back so I can give him a break. But when will he stop those DUMB reach soft fouls, if you are going to foul really foul them. If he doesn’t do that we could run a play where we don’t have to launch a deep 3 (which he was really open on)
That was a kick ball.
Monta iso’s work sometimes during the flow of the game but not at the end, it worked twice last year but that was last year. But ultimately if Lee doesn’t play like a wet noodle we win, if Curry shoots better we win, if we don’t run an iso we might have won.
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lee played pretty good against blake
the refs called this game; big difference between soccer and basketball. monta can literally get punched in the face or kicked directly in the balls with no fouls or penalties called.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 21, 2012 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
Lol, this seriously had me falling to the floor in painful laughter. I love watching Monta drive to the hoop while getting elbowed in the face and drop kicked in the nuts.
by Anonymous1337 on Jan 21, 2012 1:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Once again taking 1 games results and trying to pass it off as the , “Truth”
Over
by cybermaldonado on Jan 21, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
We should have amnestied Lee to start the season.
Trade Monta for a draft pick.
Tank.
Build hip hop clubs around Oracle
Draft superstar
Sign another superstar
2 superstars surrounding Curry
Championship
by Anonymous1337 on Jan 21, 2012 1:07 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I really like this breakdown on Biedrins
One problem with this theme is that when you are the fifth option, as Mark Jackson would vehemently disagree with me, Biedrins is going to be in a near-irreparable pyschological quandry. Those of you who were actually the fifth option on your school or youth team, or on the playground, can relate (note: I have been the 1st through 5th options on my teams — after a few years, you figure out where to play so you’re not ever the fifth option). When you’re that 5th man at the playground and you get an offensive rebound, proceeded immediately by your four teammates screaming at you to pass them the ball, a pyschological barrier is created. Your basketball self-esteem drops to zero. There is only one way out: leave and find a new team. And yes, I speak from experience.
I don’t know that I necessarily agree this is the reason he is irreparable, or that he is actually irreparable, but it is certainly a very good point. One doesn’t even need to have been the 5th option to realize what you’re talking about. I would say the kind of stuff we see at the black-top pick up games doesn’t really correlate that great to the what Monta or Steph or Lee might say to Biedrins in-game, but the idea still exists that all of the Warriors want to get the ball out of Andris’ hands as quickly as possible. If it’s true that he always feels the pressure of needing to give the ball up, then I’d agree, he will never find a comfort zone with this team again. However, if they work with him in practice and try to feed him with each of the guards, we might begin to see some more confidence out of him. Your point of view, though, is one I had not previously been thinking of, and I think it’s a very well thought out, valid opinion. I think we’ll see as the season goes on, whether or not it is true.
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yeah that statement really had me thinking because I can totally see the different transformation.
when he was good, he was spoon fed by baron and stephen jackson making beans integral to their strategy of winning.
now, its just get rebounds and defend. well wheres the reward for doing that? a starting center is playing to score too and having beans just focus on what he does best and not try and figure out an offensive game is just sad to see.
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by bimmercirem3 on Jan 21, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
At least he has 2 outa 3…not bad for a backup(oops)….Wish Udoh get could move up to 2 outa 3.
now, its just get rebounds and defend
by Only In Fairfax on Jan 21, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Biedrins had to be traded
long time ago
this was his last dunk as real W’s center
all this struggle which came later is disgusting
there is huge mix of different reasons and circumstances why things are as sad as they are at the current moment -and i guess half of those stones you could throw to Andris – i mean poor work ethic -poor conditioning etc -but there is way more going on inside organisation which we’ll never know just because we shouldn’t
also -since Baron left -there is no team -Stephen Jackson run this crap for one year -then made huge shit in lockerroom and left
-Monta Ellis as alphadog is shortcut to hell as much 4 team as much 4 some players
Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.
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by Lat We N Trash on Jan 21, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
+1
I still think if Baron never left he’d still have been good Baron and we’d still be a good team
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Davis got to spend more time with his Gran
the elder who raised him, during her last few years on the planet. That was his proper priority ; he certainly would not have received support from the Cohan/Rowell bunch in maintaining a playoff calibre roster, so why not let Sterling sign his checques instead ?
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Yep, its that trade machine time of year...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6t4n5b6
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steph for rondo. pass.
if cp3 for rondo failed but a cp3 for curry is good…then clearly new orleans and the nba are stupid.
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by bimmercirem3 on Jan 21, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Well we got offered Rondo for Curry
But we said no
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i like this one better
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7524yna
or
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6qx8zdd
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 21, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
when will we learn
that Monta Iso at the end of the game is not the answer
by jpees on Jan 21, 2012 1:50 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
man...
if i was monta i would kick the ball in the stands
…he should’ve gone earlier though.
Ellis finally found form tonight
too bad it had to end the way it did. Gonna be hard to sleep tonight.
Can you clarify what this comment about David Lee means?
he was named an All-Star because of his super-bottom-feeder abilities
Man, I don’t care nothing about no Mike Montgomery.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 21, 2012 5:07 AM PST reply actions
He has big games against Sideshow Bob.
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by Critical Roach on Jan 21, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
I don't like Jackson't game plan
We have three outstanding 3-pt shooters (Curry/Rush/Klay). I can’t think of another team with 3 3-pt shooters like this. It’s a huge weapon, that we are not utilizing enough. Instead these guys have to watch Monta post-up or iso 20 times a game.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
I am not a Monta "hater" but "this" is one of the Monta team killers that I really hate...
Instead these guys have to watch Monta post-up or iso 20 times a game.
+ clunking shots on an off night, taking over the game etc.,etc……
by Only In Fairfax on Jan 21, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
You know I hate the Monta iso’s….but I actually like Monta post ups. He’s a money postup player, and at this point, it doesn’t even seem like a matchup thing. He can post up bigger guys, smaller guys….he’s just such an explosive athlete he can get his post up shots against anyone. Really digging the Monta post up – if we want to iso him, I’d actually like to see more post ups and less 1 on 1 dribble drives.
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
as I said in the Synergy article, he’s our best postup player niw
but the isos have to go
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
Monta Post ups...
Anyone else notice that this is just about the only time Monta doesn’t immediately start dribbling the ball? We mentioned recently that he doesn’t utilize the triple threat at all on the perimeter, but he does a good job of saving his dribble in the post. I wish he would learn that when he plays off the ball he can catch it in the spot he wants, come to a jump stop, and use the triple threat to get better looks. Saving that dribble is working for him on the post, but he needs to use that advantage when he faces up too.
by olympicmike on Jan 21, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. Here's my baseless, unqualified analysis (tis the fanpost):
I think he really thinks through what he’s going to do when he’s posting up as opposed to when he’s facing up.
It looks like he is used to improvising on face-ups, since that is his natural starting point as a guard, and hasn’t really thought out what he’s going to do until he does it. That has obviously worked well for him (in his opinion) for his entire basketball life.
Posting up is likely something he developed later (under Nelson IIRC) and so it is more mechanical and requires more forethought.
Man, I don’t care nothing about no Mike Montgomery.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 21, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
i think the only reason is because we don't have a legit center to even give us a chance to get rebounds
shooting threes is always a either 3pts or empty possession. driving in and shooting 2s have higher probability of making it in.
but yes i do agree we should utilize and spread the floor more.
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by bimmercirem3 on Jan 21, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Considering I didn't even get to see the game
and I can perfectly envision how that last play went, I’d say there’s a good chance every player on the Indiana team knew what was going to happen (you know, with scouting and video work). It’s a lot easier to defend a play you can see coming a mile away. It’s a lot easier to defend a play that relies on a dumb, hero shot.
by ohcleverhansyou on Jan 21, 2012 6:39 AM PST reply actions
They probably all call it something like.....
…..OK now when Monta does his poor mans Kobe impression…Fred you do this and Joe you do that….no problem game is ours….
by Only In Fairfax on Jan 21, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Kick ball
Saw the replay, at first i thought Hill stole it with his hands…but Monta dribbled it off Hill’s foot which then he picked it off after it was kicked towards Pacers basket.
I’m not going to bash Monta on the Iso play though, I was hoping they’d call a TIMEOUT for godsake. Though if it wasn’t for that kickball, I’m sure Monta would’ve had a gamewinner or passed it to an open Curry.( Nah, he was thinking game winner once the ball was in his hands)
First D-Wrights pumpfake issue, Curry’s ankle issue, now Monta’s finishing issues
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Saw the replay, at first i thought Hill stole it with his hands…but Monta dribbled it off Hill’s foot which then he picked it off after it was kicked towards Pacers basket.
yeah, Montay dribbled it off the foot then Hills reflex was to move his foot. No way it was intentional cause it all happened too fast. That’s why I hate replays they just create more excuses. Bottom line is we shoulda had a comfortable lead by then if we were good enough to beat them, and the size and record differentials suggest we aren’t so we were probably lucky to get that close.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 21, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
yeah of course it wasn’t intentional kick, but Refs usually call kickballs even for the slightest foot contact of the ball…maybe it was because it was supposedly the last shot and the refs did not react well to an unexpected kick that happend.
Agree about last play, but a timeout was needed BADLY. Once Monta dribbled it with no timeout called i swear i had a bad feeling somethings gonna happen then Hill gets a fast break and 1.
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by AlbinoWhale on Jan 21, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Replay made it look intentional to me.
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
yea after seeing it again, clearly Hill had a kicking motion on his foot like kicking a soccer ball slightly to move it…
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by AlbinoWhale on Jan 21, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Replay made it look intentional to me.
Thinks always look different in slow mo. The key is don’t look at it over and over just think about how you play ball. The foot movement required to try and kick a ball is not the foot movement one uses to maintain balance and play defense. If the guy was playing like a soccer player the refs would notice, they know what’s going on and why things happen so they don’t need to see slow mo. to make their decisions.Games were played for decades with no re-plays and everything worked just fine.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 21, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
He clearly looks to his foot as he kicks it
he knew what he was doing.
Not that it matters. It was the wrong call by the official, a missed call. I don’t know if any of them had the angle to make it correctly, but he clearly moved his foot INTO the ball rather than the ball being dribbled into his foot. That makes it a kicked ball, regardless of what his “intentions” were.
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Fitz was doing his usual homer thing screaming about how obvious it was….but honestly, I think that was pretty much the least he could possibly do to try to kick the ball. It was a very short motion – basically what I’m trying to say is Fitz is an idiot, and I think the kick was least obvious kick you can possibly do while still kicking it.
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
It is something that when in view of the official
is usually called. It was only not called because he did it in such close confines with Monta. I think Spears went into this in the post-game.
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. It was only not called because he did it in such close confines with Monta.
yes and it was in real time not slow mo when it happened. Hill was playing D with his stance wide and was as surprised as anyone when montay dribbled the ball off it. The “toe kick” was just a reflex to having something hit his foot, he couldn’t have planned it in that position cause he din’t know it was gonna happen.Lots of weird things happen in games that look different on replays.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 21, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
It's not like he flicked his foot a tiny bit
he moved his foot to where the ball was going. Kick balls are usually a reaction, but not a reaction to it hitting their foot. His foot moved BEFORE the ball hit, from a spot where it wasn’t going to hit it.
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I think he did just flick his foot a tiny bit. It was definitely a purposeful flick, mind you, but it definitely wasn’t a big motion at all.
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
From the TV angle, I definitely didn’t catch it in real time.
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
The foot movement required to try and kick a ball is not the foot movement one uses to maintain balance and play defense.
Agree – that’s a great way of describing what I saw. His foot movement to kick the ball wasn’t part of the natural movement he would have been making just to stay in front of the guy.
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
It was a blatant kick ball, but also watch right around when he gets to the top of the arc heading towards the rim
4-5 steps easily and a blatant travel
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or the basket shouldn’t have counted, just a foul andLOL @ how many dislikes HAHAHA
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by AlbinoWhale on Jan 21, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Looks to me like you’d have to take a close look at the rulebook on that one. All those steps and that last dribble kind of blend together real fast. Not sure what the exact wording of the rule is.
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Oh that's at least 4 or 5
basket shouldn’t have counted, but I can’t really expect an official to make that call. They NEVER do.
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When does the dribble officially end, though?
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Really though, traveling has become something of a myth in the NBA
if you’re not an awkward big, you basically won’t get called for it
hence plays like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvxIazBszYs
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and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN_ljDfevB0
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
I only counted 3 travels in that one….
I’m counting each switch of the pivot foot as one….
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
LOL that was hilarious
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 21, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
oh man
this vid got 1,281,178 views now -and i remember it as yesterday
Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.
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by Lat We N Trash on Jan 21, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
At conception
Man, I don’t care nothing about no Mike Montgomery.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 21, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sigh. I don’t even know what to say about what happened last night. That was like the ultimate culmination of everything I’ve ever complained about. The poor decisions, the iso, the lack of ballhandling, starting the move too late…if people can’t understand my complaints now, after something like that, I just don’t know what to say. We deserved to lose that game in exactly that fashion. Hill kicked the ball, and the refs should have called it, but I’m glad they didn’t. We got exactly what we deserved. I did like our inbounds play though. Got Steph a nice look, can’t believe he missed as much as he did. You know, if we can get a shot off like that….why not just call a freaking timeout to begin with and run a money inbounds play?
I took some consolation from being able to switch to the Clips Minnesota game right after Warriors ended. First time actually watching Rubio play. Big fan – played like a vet down the stretch, that dude has some serious basketball IQ. And he plays defense! Not just a little, but he’s a legitimately good defender already! Absolutely shut down Chauncey on the last possession. Then a money inbounds play to Kevin Love….awesome ending. For the first time in like…..ever (or at least since KG), I think I’d prefer to have the TWolves roster than ours.
Sad how we watch the Clips, Utah & Wolves rebuild past the W's....
At least we still have Sac down here with us consistantly.
by Only In Fairfax on Jan 21, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Ugh….Utah. They trade one of the best PG in the NBA and had one of the best coaches resign and yet they still have a lot of talent with a winning record. Cmon now. Kanter and Favors look good so far, Millsap is having a career year, and correct me if I’m wrong, but is Al Jefferson contributing in a positive way? Man this team has a lot of work to do.
Well Utah’s young talent brought in as a result of loosing that PG is looking like a great move!
by Only In Fairfax on Jan 21, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Well….I’m still advocating for Anthony Davis, so that lost didn’t hurt me as much.
That Clips-Wolves game was very exciting down the stretch. Rubio dropped some nice dimes to get the team back into the game in the 4th and although he was 0-10, he still took that 3 to tie it. The guy is the real deal after all.
Does anyone else break out into a Ru-b-o (like Rufio from Hook) chant whenever he comes on the screen, too?
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Anthony Davis is easy to advocate for….I am advocatiing for a Beans for Howard trade myself….
by Only In Fairfax on Jan 21, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
then trade the rest of our roster for miami's roster
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
what really sucks is that Smart would have done the same thing
Mark Jackson is not all that different
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
I think you are undervaluing platitudes.
Man, I don’t care nothing about no Mike Montgomery.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 21, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the t-wolves have dramatically improved on defense
and some, maybe a lot, of that is due to Rubio
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
I got really into the end of their game yesterday. For some reason, I find the TWolves very likable. I think they’re gonna make it onto my rooting list.
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
they've been on my rooting list since they had kg
they were probably my 2nd favorite team after the warriors from the KG days all the way up until KD arrived in OKC, where they dropped to 3rd
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
I rooted for them with KG, too, but then hated the Al Jefferson-centric version.
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
eh, there was only really 1 1/2 seasons of the al jefferson-centric version
then it became the klove show
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Didn’t like that version, either. I only like them now because of Rubio, and to a lesser degree, Derrick Williams. I like Love enough, too, but I wouldn’t watch him without other guys worth watching.
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta hand it to the Wolves…they were patient and waited for Rubio past the point where the perception was that Rubio wasnt that great after all and might have been Kahn’s “crossing the Rubi(o)con” final career ending mistake…….but now Rubio and Adelman seem to be pulling that team in the right direction….
by Only In Fairfax on Jan 21, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
….but now Rubio and Adelman seem to be pulling that team in the right direction….
people tend to forget about Adelman when they are talking about Minnny -but good coach is 45% of success -there are around 10 good coaches in league and Minnesota got luxury to have one of them
Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.
-Johnny Bravo is my role model -i m pretty
by Lat We N Trash on Jan 21, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
I would have completely jumped ship and become a T-Wolves fan if they had hired Nelson.
Man, I don’t care nothing about no Mike Montgomery.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 21, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
haha
stole a line from my playbook
it doesn’t matter as much, but a good point guard (like Rondo) can help make a defense better
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
I need to watch more Rubio
only seen him once this year, and it wasn’t for very long. Didn’t watch him last night cuz Warriors kinda basketballed me into a bad mood.
I always thought he might get pushed around in the NBA, but so far that doesn’t seem to be the case. If the skills he showed when playing for Spain in the Olympics transfer well into the NBA, then we really might see him become a star.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
like a lot of players that become stars
it doesn’t take very long for it to happen, he looks like a star already
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
every time i watch Rubio playing
it makes me depressed about Warriors basketball
Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.
-Johnny Bravo is my role model -i m pretty
by Lat We N Trash on Jan 21, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
GS has ø perimeter defenders in its starting line up
if you have a shot blocker or not for the interior, a perimeter that weak will get exposed, Jackson’s improvements notwithstanding. Min also made a significant coaching change, compared to going from one novice who would work on a cheap contract to another.
Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)
I took some consolation from being able to switch to the Clips Minnesota game right after Warriors ended.
and the Kings beat the Spurs at San Antonio :>)
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 21, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I totally agree with your complaints....
That was like the ultimate culmination of everything I’ve ever complained about.
I just added this to my all time fav phrases from this site (Jae is still the king tho)
by Only In Fairfax on Jan 21, 2012 11:07 AM PST reply actions
"The Kick" from a Ref's perspective.......
When I am officiating, most kick balls occur when a player tries to pass a ball to a teammate. The defensive player will many times instinctively kick one of their legs out, especially if it is a bounce pass and try to deflect the pass. That is definitely a kicking violation.
For Monta’s play, it’s a little more difficult. I’d be curious if the official SAW the whole play. If he/she did, then that was good that they saw the kick but perhaps felt it wasn’t intentional. For me, in attempting to visualize the play if I were the official, I admit I probably would have missed it too. The main reason is that most officials (at least in these drive situations) aren’t necessarily looking at the ball AND the player’s feet. They are looking at the hands of the defender, the defensive player’s positioning and if the offensive player does anything.
When Monta drove and the ball got loose, I wouldn’t be surprised if the official thought Monta bounced the ball off the defender’s feet or something. Tough no call and perhaps the officials will look for it more next time.
(Oh, I wouldn’t want instant replay on violations like this……that would lead to “did he travel”, etc, etc……Violations / Fouls are all judgement calls).
DCL
http://www.behindthewhistle.com
Yeah pretty much agree with this take, though I don’t think the “intentional” part of that kick is relevant. If you make any sort of kicking motion and you end up getting an advantage from it, gotta call it. Only time I wouldn’t call it is if the defender isn’t kicking at all or anything and his foot is just in it’s spot naturally and the offensive guy either dribbles or throws it off where the defenders foot happens to be.
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Just watched the game on the DVR to see the Kickball play.
How can the refs miss that play or is the ball faster than the eye. Is it time for a red flag in the NBA?
Should the Coach get a chance or two to protest a play like in the NFL?
Go Warriors!
Go 49ERS!
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
I missed the kick in real time. Refs don’t get the benefit of DVR, sometimes they just miss things.
by Missing Barry on Jan 23, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
most people missed it
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
This.
I thought it was funny that on the broadcast Bob and Jim didn’t seem sure, but after watching the replay Bob said something along the lines of “Jackson saw it, we saw it, the crowd saw it, but somehow the three officials didn’t see it!!!” Just a few moments earlier they were checking the super slow-mo to see if it was kicked, and suddenly it was so obvious that the call was inexcusable.
it's easy to see when you're looking for it lol
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
I find it funny how this is montas fault
by Steve B on Jan 21, 2012 4:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
i find it funny how some people don’t seem to understand how it is at least partially monta’s fault
by AJC3317 on Jan 22, 2012 1:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Mass suicide FTW.
Man, I don’t care nothing about no Mike Montgomery.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 23, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
I find your defense of the refs on that final play to be outrageous
Especially your second paragraph. There’s no excuse for an intentional soccer play to be allowed, especially in the final 6 seconds of a close game.
No relation to Matt Cain...
by Caine Black Knife on Jan 23, 2012 10:06 PM PST reply actions
Seriously, how dare someone that actually knows a thing or do about reffing give their opinion that sometimes…well, refs just blow calls or aren’t in a position to see what happened?!
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions

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