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it is maddening to me!

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 21, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

What double standard are you referring to, exactly? That Monta doesn’t draw fouls? Maybe he should try giving Corey Maggette a call on how to draw fouls – funny how he never had a problem with it when he was on the Warriors, huh?

by Missing Barry on Jan 23, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

The league did us a favor.

We are not a playoff team. Let the tanking begin.

by pericles31081 on Jan 21, 2012 12:19 PM PST reply actions  

This is why I don’t mind the blown call, it’s better for our teams future if we lose.

by Anonymous1337 on Jan 21, 2012 12:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

But we could have arguably beaten Indiana on a night where Curry was shaking off tons of rust and Lee played awful

This team is not bad enough to keep the pick

RIP Al Davis
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by dubzfan on Jan 21, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You just have to hope we suck enough.

by Anonymous1337 on Jan 21, 2012 12:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

they might be bad enough to hope for some lottery luck

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 21, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Say we finish 9th in the lottery

We can only luck our way into the top 3 with a .24% chance of getting it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery

RIP Al Davis
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by dubzfan on Jan 21, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

.024% *

RIP Al Davis
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by dubzfan on Jan 21, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

it's not 0.024%

its 6.1&

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 21, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

6.1%

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 21, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Just saying what wiki said

Either way it’s not pretty

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by dubzfan on Jan 21, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

you're reading wiki wrong

the .017 means a 1.7% chance at the #1 pick, the .020 means a 2% chance at the #2 pick, and the .024 means a 2.4% chance at the #3 pick.

1.7 + 2 + 2.4 = 6.1% chance at a top 3 pick

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 21, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah thank you

RIP Al Davis
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by dubzfan on Jan 21, 2012 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

We deserved to lose the game

You look at our shooting percentage and you think that was a normal game, but where we were shooting the ball and the coverage they had, we were very lucky to make as many as we did. Basketball is about luck. Any day, the Warriors can beat say the Heat or the Pacers, but it is not likely. With where we had to shoot, this game should not have been as close as it was.
We are more the team that lost to crap teams like the Bobcats or the Nets than one that beat the Heat or Bulls. With a few more officiating mistakes that always seem to go against us, we might just get to keep our pick. When we face a good team firing on all cylinders, we are nothing as demonstrated when we played the 76ers and got blown out of the water.

by pericles31081 on Jan 21, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Basketball is about luck.

uh, no

basketball is about execution, skill, athleticism, and the ability to compete

http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/

by Brownie13 on Jan 21, 2012 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

If they did not have the things you mentioned....

They would not be on the court at an NBA level. But some days shots are falling and some days they are not. A fraction of an inch and a ball can rim in or rim out. 46% shooters don’t shoot 46% every game. If you get them when they are shooting 50% you are unlucky, if you get them when they shoot 42% then you are lucky. Defense plays a role, but there was nothing more Hill could of done on a lot of those Ellis makes. Ellis was in the zone and that was lucky for the Warriors (assuming a win was good) and unlucky for the Pacers.

by pericles31081 on Jan 22, 2012 1:12 AM PST up reply actions  

random variation is not due to luck either

it’s due to their execution in that game specifically

http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/

by Brownie13 on Jan 22, 2012 1:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh, arguing about whether random variation is luck or not is just an argument over semantics. As long as we all acknowledge the random variation, then we’re on the same page.

by Missing Barry on Jan 23, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Them admitting their mistake does us no good. We can’t go back in time and get that possession back, or the possible win. What was so hard about making that call, though? How many refs are on the court…and all of them should be looking at 2 players, given that it was an isolation…seriously how can you miss that?

by Slightly Hyphy on Jan 22, 2012 12:55 AM PST reply actions  

bq.What was so hard about making that call, though? How many refs are on the court…and all of them should be looking at 2 players, given that it was an isolation…seriously how can you miss that?

first of all, all of the refs should not be looking at the 2 players, they have plenty of other things to look at (e.g. other players fighting for position, defensive 3 in the key, offensive 3 in the key, illegal screens, etc.)

also, as someone else stated in another topic (sorry i forget which poster and in which topic), ref’s have certain things they look for when a play is going on. generally, kickballs take place on passes, so why would they be looking at the players’ feet when someone is dribbling? they’re much more worried about hand checks, reaching in, etc. it’s also difficult to determine without the slow motion replay whether hill kicked at the ball or if monta just dribbled it off hill’s foot. it’s pretty easy to see how they missed it.

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 22, 2012 1:04 AM PST up reply actions  

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"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 22, 2012 1:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Although other players could potentially do something, it looked to me like a very clear isolation at the top of the key. It should have actually been easier to see the kick ball in that situation, then it would have been in a regular possession within the flow of the game. They blew the call, and the admit it, but I still don’t see how they could miss it. It was so obvious. Plus, these are supposedly the best of the best in the reffing world. With so much riding on their judgement, I would expect something a little closer to perfection than they demonstrated on that play.

by Slightly Hyphy on Jan 22, 2012 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

i dont think it was obvious at all

read through the game thread. not a single person in the game thread caught the kicked ball before the replay showed it, and they were probably more focused on the monta than the refs were.

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 22, 2012 1:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah it was a bang bang play but I noticed it. Then I saw Monta’s reaction and Mark Jackson’s reaction.

by Slightly Hyphy on Jan 22, 2012 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

i just realized i wrote "on the monta" lol

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 22, 2012 1:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that kickball was the exact opposite of obvious. That was as not obvious as a kickball can possibly be while still being an intentional kickball. The ref might have thought Monta dribbled it off the dude’s knee or something – in which case, it’s not a kick. Given Monta’s handles…quite understandable. As for the play being an iso – that doesn’t change what each ref is watching.

by Missing Barry on Jan 23, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Them admitting their mistake does us no good.

and does them no good either. I don’t know why they would put their refs under such scrutiny. The game is over and the call was made so get over it,as usuall the refs were not any worse than the players. It’s an imperfect world.

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

and all of them should be looking at 2 players, given that it was an isolation…seriously how can you miss that?

No. That’s not how it works. Each ref has different responsibilities of what to watch depending on where he is on the court. If everyone’s watching the two players with the ball, who’s going to see the off ball moving screen or hold? I’ve never reffed in a 3 ref system, so I’m not exactly sure on each of their responsibilities, but I’d say the baseline guy was probably watching off the ball action, the near ref to the ball was probably responsible for that call. Guess what – mistakes happen. Sometimes you don’t have a good angle to see what happened, sometimes you just miss a call. I can tell you it’s a heck of a lot easier to think reffing is easy when you have replay/DVR to go back and watch what happened multiple times. In real time though? In real time, I missed the kick, too. For whatever reason, they missed it. It happens.

by Missing Barry on Jan 23, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Think it's a blessing in disguise.

Hopefully, that loss will stop us from ALWAYS doing the Monta iso when game is on the line.

by srsrs on Jan 22, 2012 9:12 PM PST reply actions  

Why link to a twitter of a link to another page? Why not just link directly to the NBA page? Man, kids these days! ;)

by Missing Barry on Jan 23, 2012 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

Please just allow them their delusions of celebrity status for which signing up for a twitter account entitles them. Do you know how uncool and behind the times you look right now?

With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".

by KillaContract on Jan 23, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

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