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Mark Jackson: "We’ve lost 10 games and I would say two teams beat us: the Philadelphia 76ers and the Charlotte Bobcats. Every other game we were in control with a real opportunity of closing the door and we did not. So that is extremely encouraging."

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Every other game we were in control with a real opportunity of closing the door and we did not. So that is extremely encouraging.

Shut up. You may not agree with his reasoning, but he clearly gives a reason he thinks it will turnaround.

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by Brownie13 on Jan 22, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Every other game we were in control with a real opportunity of closing the door and we did not. So that is extremely encouraging

haha, but the opponents are sayin “we almost let the warriors beat us so we gotta stop playing down to the competition” which position would you rather be in?

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

obviously the latter

but its not blind faith

fair to say its incorrect, wrong, stupid, dumb, or whatever else, because that’s GSC’s own personal opinion. but it is a fact that Jackson gave a reason he believes things will turn around, a reason that he has faith in this team. therefore, not blind.

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by Brownie13 on Jan 22, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's compromise . . .

and say he’s somewhere between dishonest and delusional.

Man, I don’t care nothing about no Mike Montgomery.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 22, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

No

that’d still just be an incorrect statement if you didn’t believe it was true. He didn’t say:

“We’re a good team. We’re a better team than our record shows. We haven’t been winning basketball games that we should be winning.”

He said we’re not doing well, but believes we will do better, then expressed why he felt that way.

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by Brownie13 on Jan 22, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Sigh.

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by Brownie13 on Jan 23, 2012 12:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok... so

you can take this one of two ways…

1. Despite injuries the warriors have hung close into games and just fallen slightly short. This is Mark Jackson’s perspective.

2. Mark Jackson doesn’t realize the limitations of his players (mainly Monta, Lee, and Biedrins). Sadly, Biedrins started out looking better but is now just his same old shell: Lee still cannot defend at his position consistently. Monta is still taking too many possessions of isolation basketball (which Evanz in his offensive statistic article clearly shows is a failure for the most part) especially at the end of the game (See the Jazz/Pacers home games).

He does not play to their strengths either. Who else here thinks they should run more? When we play half court its been a real mixed bag. Turnovers have been KILLER for us and most of these come in the half court. Sometimes we get good looks but it does not seem to stay with us. I think Mark Jackson’s philosophy of half court offense is hurting the Warriors because I really do not think they practice fast break as much. How many fast breaks have we seen them miss? I think this might be because they do not practice this at all and instead focus on defense.

by Warriors Fanatic on Jan 22, 2012 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

Mark Jackson: “When we play the way we’re capable of playing, execute the game plan and take care of the basketball and defend, we’re a very good basketball team. And until I see otherwise, I’m going to continue to believe it.”

Coach, you could say that about MOST EVERY OTHER TEAM in the league! Of course if you play the way your capable of playing you’ll play better. His interviews bother me because I’d honestly would rather see him say “we need to work on executing the game plan” and we “need to defend better”. This is because it shows he REALIZES the mistakes and does not overlook them. He definitely is being stubborn, I can only hope that he changes his mind eventually…

by Warriors Fanatic on Jan 22, 2012 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

please don't take what he says too seriously

some of the stuff, maybe he has complete conviction and sincerity, other stuff is to put the best face out for the public so his owner keeps confidence in him and perhaps for the players to maintain faith in his message. this early in his tenure he has much more reason to keep up positive appearances with the media and keep critiques between him and the players. he could be the kind of coach to keep his harsher criticisms completely away from public consumption.

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by the.monk on Jan 22, 2012 10:59 AM PST reply actions  

I side with Mark Jackson

The effort from the team this year has been more consistent night in night out than any year I can remember in a long long time.

The unfortunate part is that they are having real trouble closing games and making critical errors at end of games that have cost them at least 2-3 wins. But that’s what you get with a team that has young guys in ball-handling positions (Jenkins, Klay). These are things that can be coached, and I think Jackson and his squad can help improve that as the season goes on. I already see better defensive effort (although Lee and Monta have frankly reverted back to their terrible over-committing/going for steals selves) and the team fights a lot harder. But maybe that’s simply a result of not having to play 3-4 D-leaguers every game

by DubsDominate on Jan 22, 2012 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

It's the talent. Still don't have enough of it.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart

by kenntoe on Jan 22, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

We don't have enough up front

I feel fine with our guards, SF could be better but Rush, DW and McGuire is decent but ever since Kwame went down we have just been putrid up front

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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

SF we were getting killed the most before Dorell remembered he was an NBA player in the last few or so.

I 100% agree with you our problem is up front with AB losing his confidence, Lee playing small against real PF’s and Udoh being doo-doo.

Unfortunately we have no talent to get back a center to improve us enough to leap frog the other Western teams.

Javale McGee is just shuffling chairs. I’d rather go for Hibbert but we won’t have the assets for him either. And I’d rather not give Curry up for the shot to build around Monta, Lee and Player X because it still won’t be enough.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart

by kenntoe on Jan 22, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Mcgee is averaging a double double and blocks everything. Most athletic C in the league.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 22, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

If he calms down and plays smart defense he will be awesome

But for now he likes jumpers he shouldn’t take and a bad PnR defender.

If we dumped Biedrins for O’neal and Wilcox we’d have 17-19 mil in cap for Hibbert + another players

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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Id move Monta for Mcgee right now.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 22, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Oof

Not so sure there, McGee is productive but doesn’t get it , at least yet but that could be a while. Also why in the world would the Wizards do that with Wall there and that team in a salary mess with Blatche?

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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Id take Blatche back in the trade.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 22, 2012 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh heck no

He’s a cancer, out of shape terrible player who’d destroy our cap.

McGee will get paid big time, we’d still have Andris and Lee’s contract and Curry will need to get paid soon. Add that to Blatche’s contract and we are locked into that team for 3+ years.

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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

What do we need capspace for? A Center! Dont count on Curry being on the books for that much longer either.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 22, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you presuming that through trade or him walking ? He will be a RFA

But if we did this we still lock up too much cap space in a decent front court but not a great one. If CUrry did leave we’d have nothing in the back court , nothing at SF (DW’s deal will expire) and nothing at PG

We’d essentially be left with Lee, McGee and Klay as our centerpieces. I don’t think McGee will become a big time center, a good one but no Bynum/Howard that can lead you. Lee is still Lee and Klay doesn’t look like he has the makings of a big time player

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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

At 24 he’s already a top 5 C in my opinion. Im just saying dont count on Curry being here for a long time. He’s the most attractive piece on a losing team, usually that means he’s always on the market.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 22, 2012 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

The thing is what could we get for him?

We missed our shot on CP3, DH12 looks unlikely, if he truly holds any value of that caliber I immediately look to Bynum.

DH12, Bynum,Hibbert,Chandler,Nene and Horford are all better

Then it comes down to him, Gortat, Bogut, Noah and Jordan. I think it’s safe to say Noah is better though

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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

In a 3 team trade.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel like we could get better then McGee if we could of had CP3

But what trade do you have in mind?

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by dubzfan on Jan 23, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Mcgee
Lee
Wright
Rush
Curry

Biedrins
Udoh
Mcguire
Thompson
Robinson/Jenkins

Looks like a playoff roster to me.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 22, 2012 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Not to me

It’d only get the 8th if McGee started learning from his mistakes and the moment Curry goes down if he does there is no shot creator

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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Mcgee leads the league in blocks and gives you 12 and 10. Nate is a shot creator.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 22, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate creates his own shots , and even then they usually aren't that good

And I doubt we resign him, he was brought in as a stop gap guard.

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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Im desperate for a productive C. I’ll move anybody for 1.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 22, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I know you are as am I

But we need to still be smart about it and not make a huge mistake like destroying our payroll

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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if Blatche could be traded for a expiring contract after next season.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

You'd hope so

We were able to lose Maggs for that but Blatche carries way more baggage

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by dubzfan on Jan 23, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

i actually agree with J

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 22, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Now thats sig worthy.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 22, 2012 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

to be clear

i don’t share his opinion about how good mcgee actually is. i only agree that i would trade monta for him.

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft. Which makes me think that we should make a deal with Utah right now that they’ll get our 2012 pick regardless and unprotect it, that allows us to trade our 2014 pick to Washington aswell as filler like Brandon Rush and a 2nd round pick for Mcgee. No doubt in my mind that Washington takes that deal.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

lulz

right…

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.

My sig. Part II

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

by Evanz on Jan 23, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

sig gold

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.

by Evanz on Jan 23, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Nobody in this draft is gonna average a double double while shooting over 50% from the field while averaging 3 blocks. Davis’ game will not translate to the pro’s very well. Your gonna find that out very soon. Mcgee is better than anybody in this overated draft.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

give davis a break, he's 18

do you know where javale was when he was 18? he was averaging 3 points and 2 rebs at the powerhouse of nevada

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Dont matter. Were talking about right now and who’s best for this team. We have zero chance at Davis anyway. I brung him up since he’s who you drool over. Id take Mcgee a legit defensive C thats dripping athleticism over anybody in this draft. We need a C. There is no true C in this draft worth a lottery pick. Barnes is good but ill still take Mcgee over him. The 5 spot is so so so hard to fill. Kwame just got 7 mill so thats the best example I can make about that. Skinny shot blockers are a dime a dozen. Henson and Davis are basically identical and I dont see neither ever being more valuable than Mcgee at any point in their pro career. Time will tell.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Were talking about right now and who’s best for this team

This is such shortsighted thinking. You pick players based on how good they are right now? McGee’s 25, he better be the best player in this class if he were in it. J-Rich was better in 2003-04 than D-Wade was as a rookie so by your logic, you would have taken J-Rich over Wade? Your logic is perplexing.

Gambino is a mastermind...

by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 23, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Mcgee just turned 24 on the 19th. If you look at the upcomming draft classes you’ll see they are all minus a proven C. No C at the college level is even putting up big numbers against his peers. My logic is grab a C thats the most athletic at his position aswell as a guy who may be the best shot blocker in the game.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

No C at the college level is even putting up big numbers against his peers.

we missed that train last year when we failed to lose enough games or to trade up to draft Cousins.
Hafta seize opportunities when they show up.
This might be the year to target best player in draft and not a center.

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 23, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Mcgee is the most underated player in the league. You wont see another 7ft guy as athletic as he is for at least another 15 years. Every player in this draft can be duplicated in a year or 2.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

You wont see another 7ft guy as athletic as he is for at least another 15 years.

Let me know when he becomes good at basketball, though.

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.

by Evanz on Jan 23, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s 24 averaging a double double and leading the league in blocks. Get him a big man coach and a coach that actually likes him and he’s a more athletic version of DJ. He’s that now what am I saying.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

He's nowhere near as strong at DJ

But that’s ok. Different style playerS (in my opinion)

by tafkasam on Jan 23, 2012 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

He also needs more strength

He gets pushed around a bit

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by dubzfan on Jan 23, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really. He’s a good post defender.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You wont see another 7ft guy as athletic as he is for at least another 15 years.

Doesn’t make him great. At best, what is he, 2008 Andris Biedrins? And even then, he’s not there.

He’s still so soft defensively. He’s got potential, but nowhere near the amount you’re saying. He’s basically a center version of anthony randolph. They rebound similarly, block similarly, score similarly, use their brains similarly (which is to say, not very much on the braining)

by tafkasam on Jan 23, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Biedrins was never the best shot blocker in the league. Look at the next few upcomming drafts. Your not gonna find many C’s in them. Id take Tyler over any C in this draft. Id take Jenkins over any point guard in this draft. The fact that you would even have to think if you would do the same shows how deep this draft is.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

you're like a caricature of yourself

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.

by Evanz on Jan 23, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Your gonna find that out very soon.

Because a lot of smart people disagree with you.

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.

by Evanz on Jan 23, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

They only label themselves smart. Their predictions and evaluations dont merit that title.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong

Our own scouts, who you like, say this is a strong draft.

So do other teams scouts.

All drafts, by nature, are overrated. But this one has been lauded as a strong one from many sources.

by tafkasam on Jan 23, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Its a fad to say this is a deep draft. For 1 we dont even know who’s gonna enter the draft. For 2 the guys who are projected to enter aint even all that. Perry Jones and Drummond are the 2 most overated players since Jonathan Bender and Marcus Fizer.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't like Jones or Drummond

I do like Davis, Barnes, Sullinger, Beal, Lamb, Gilchrist, Marshall, Robinson. Miller

by tafkasam on Jan 23, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

None of the guys you named are game changers besides Barnes. Sullinger at his best will be Millsap. Lamb is more of the same, Gilchrist is the next Granger but id take Mcgee over Granger. Robinson I like alot but I see him as another Morris brother.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I think people are saying

one or two may be stars (Davis and Drummond) and 6-8 decent players if they all are who they project to be.

Barnes, Lamb, MKG, Sullinger, PJ3, Beale, Robinson, Leonard could all project to be starters. They will not all make it as stars but should provide good depth for this draft to get a decent starter.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart

by kenntoe on Jan 23, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

haha at this rate

you’re sig will be too long to fit even before the season is over. I would trade Monta for Mcgee for sure but not mess with the pick for it. We need talent… Mcgee is athletically talented. We want more talent, not less… I’d prefer tank with Monta and keep that pick than Mcgee and no pick (2 vs 1).

by Nith on Jan 23, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, so name the talent in this draft you think would help us more now and later than Mcgee.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

When do you want help?

Because I can make a case for maybe 2 players helping us more next year, but potentially 10-12 players being better than McGee in 3 years.

This is Adonal/Tmac logic, Fuller/Kobe logic. Heck.. Udoh/Monroe logic. And no I’m not saying Monroe’s as good as those guys nor any of the guys in this draft will be Kobe. I’m saying, saying McGee is better than a 18 year old, is pointless. We need to bring in the best player, long term, not think about ASAP. This team isn’t going out of the first round with any center not named Dwight Howard.

by tafkasam on Jan 23, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I disagree, when you start the worst C in the league and upgrade to Mcgee with Biedrins coming off the pine you instantly become a playoff contender when you have the best backcourt in the sport.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

beans is far from the worst C in the league

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I should rephrase that, the worst starting C in the league.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong again.

Gambino is a mastermind...

by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 23, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

ill rephrase too

beans is far from the worst starting C in the league

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Joel Anthony?

O’neal?

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by dubzfan on Jan 23, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

seeing as beans has had a postive impact on the team this year

im sure there’s plenty

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

We don't have the best backcourt in the sport

Neither Curry nor Monta are top 5 positionally. Curry might not be top 10, because PG is so deep, Monta might not either. Especially when you factor in D.

They’re both good.

And as for center. Well, lets put it this way. Dallas had almost no center production for 8 years, and they were winning over 50 games, almost won a title. Miami’s starting Center is worse than Biedrins, they got to finals.

Our ‘no starting center’ lineup can’t make an 8-seed.

I think that suggests our overall level of talent is nowhere near as high you think.

Just my opinion, I like Curry, Monta and Lee as players. By no means do I think any of them are beyond a 3rd option on a team who gets out of the first rd. Curry and Monta might be able to grow into 2nd option (jason terry type option) players.

I think the idea ‘we need this peice’ to win, is really shortsided, and why i dislike the current management.

We need better players. At every position

by tafkasam on Jan 23, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We have the best backcourt in the sport. Name 1 thats better. Also take into account our bench backcourt players.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

this would totally work

if logical arguments worked on J Ridah

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 23, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

You tripping. We better than all those you named. Okc would trade Harden for Monta right now. NJ would trade Brooks for Monta right now. Your wrong about this 1.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

bro?!?!?!

you:

We have the best backcourt in the sport. Name 1 thats better.

you appear to have left 9 examples un-addressed

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 23, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

seriously, as much as I like Monta, I don’t mind Monta for Harden or Monta for Brooks. Harden and Brooks both are solid and give us some extra cap space for “the next” big signing. I don’t think it will be much of downgrade from Monta.

by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 23, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

then go call up OKC

and tell them we’re offering Monta for Harden. I’d take that trade in a heartbeat. A big SG with good handles and good court vision: great complement to Curry. Tell me what they say.

by Nith on Jan 23, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

unfortunately

okc would laugh in our faces

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Okc would trade Harden for Monta right now.

You really have no idea about basketball, do you? You didn’t even know who Harden was until 2 weeks ago.

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.

by Evanz on Jan 23, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he means just starters

‘d take our 2 over all but Wade and LAC. Manu is out so I don’t count SAS

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by dubzfan on Jan 23, 2012 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

seeing as he said to take bench into account

i don’t think he meant just starters

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Starters or Bench. Name a team with 4 better guards than ours. You’ll be hard pressed to find a better starting backcourt. There’s not 1.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

ill take chris paul by himself over our 4 guards

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Your the Ray Ratto of this board. Of course you’d say that.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

The FO is not in the business of getting robbed. They rob.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

im glad you're not the gm

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

so who's doing the robbing

because im pretty sure we would be.

by Nith on Jan 23, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The FO is not in the business of getting robbed. They rob.

Monta for Harden and we got robed?! It is okay, it is WAY~~ better than SJack and Magg’s trade.

by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 23, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Mm I guess I'll go team by team.

We have Monta, Curry, Robinson, Jenkins (yes?). And we are speaking on BOTH offensive and defensive contributions but NOT on salaries.

-Jeff Teague, Joe Johnson, Tmac, Green.
-Wade, Cole, Chalmers, whoever.
-Rondo, Allen, Dooling, whoever.
-Deron, Brooks, Morrow, Farmar.
-Westbrook, Sefolosha, Harden, whoever.
-Lawson, Afflalo, Miller, Rudy
-Paul, Billups, Williams, Foye
-Parker, Ginobili, Leonard, Neal
-Felton, Crawford, Matthews, Batum
-Rose, Hamilton, Korver, Brewer
-Nash, all his other guards

That comes to 11. And those are for sure. The rest you gotta analyze more.

by Nith on Jan 23, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

i would guess he's talking about monta curry nate and rush

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

not sure if you can count

but pretty sure thats 5, not 4

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

To summarize

I like McGee. I’d like him here.

I would NOT take him over a player with higher potential to impact a game, regardless of position.

by tafkasam on Jan 23, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Basically, you're justifying need over talent

A philosophy I will never agree with. That’s why Portland took Oden over durant. They thought they didn’t need another wing-forward. They NEEDED a center.

And it’s a KEY reasons the warriors have sucked for 18 years. We constantly pick ‘need’ over talent.

What we actually ‘need’ is better talent.

by tafkasam on Jan 23, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I would take talent over need if I seen a guy in this draft that was a clear allstar. I dont see a guy in this draft thats so special he cant be duplicated in next years draft or the year after. Your not finding another Mcgee anytime soon.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

So that’s where we disagree. I see star potential in this draft. Not a lot of it, but i am VERY confident you’ll change your tune on Anthony Davis in a couple years.

Time will have to tell, but the man is leading the nation in blocks, SEC in scoring and rebounding very well

by tafkasam on Jan 23, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Jarvis Varnado should make you re-think your stance on Davis.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Davis can score though

And is a better 1 on 1 defender easily, Varnado was literally just a weak side shot blocker

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by dubzfan on Jan 23, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Varnado was the greatest shot blocker in college history. He scored the same way Davis does. If Varnado went to Kentucky you and I both know he woulda been drafted top 5. Kentucky is what overates guys. If Daniel Orton went to any other school he never woulda been drafted. No disparity between Varnado and Davis.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

i'll make a j-ridah prediction...here it comes

anthony davis will be better than jarvis varnado. i guarantee it.

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Varnado never got a shot in the league. Davis will be able to prove how right I am in my talent evaluation the moment he gets drafted and gets dominated in every facet of the game his 1st 3 years in the league. If he gets drafted 1st he’s gonna go down in the history books as 1 of the worst 1st picks ever. Im not saying he cant be servicable, but no way should anybody ever consider taking him over Mcgee. He’s Taj Gibson or Ibaka if he ever reaches his zenith in the league.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Varnado never got a shot in the league.

i’m gonna guess theres a reason for that.

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Davis has a semblance of a jumper and hook

Better then Varnado

Orton lived on HS hype

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by dubzfan on Jan 23, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Also Davis was considered the best prospect before he went to UK

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by dubzfan on Jan 23, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Everybody who goes to UK are considered the best prospects coming outta HS.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Never said he wasn’t. Actually I think Quincy Miller was the top rated.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

j doesn't understand that

he just sees similar per game stats and think that they play the same way. that’s exactly why he said davis and aminu are basically the same.

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

they dont even have similar games at all

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Dont say what I dont understand. I know exactly what I see. I seen both Varnado and Davis play against SEC competition and I see no disparity in skill sets. 1 is extremely overhyped and the other is Varnado.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I seen both Varnado and Davis play against SEC competition and I see no disparity in skill sets.

and that is why you are a poor evaluator of talent. anyone in the world can see that davis is better than varnado

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

you're ridiculous

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Well Curry could fetch us a center

And if him + other for Bynum could happen then it’d be well worth it

RIP Al Davis
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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The unfortunate part is that they are having real trouble closing games

that’s not curable with effort that requires more size. There’s another post on here celebrating that montay is our best post player without recognizing what that really means.

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I bet Steinmetz pulls a Kawakami when this thing turns around. The way Kawakami says nothing about positive things about the niners these days is exactly what Steinmetz does when the wins start flowing. Right now Steinmetz is speaking for the angry/negative fans which accounts for 3/4 of GSOM.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 22, 2012 12:21 PM PST reply actions  

Can't blame a coach (or players) for being positive

The FO is another matter, though

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

by Evanz on Jan 22, 2012 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

the only problem is if the coach has say in what the FO does.

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 22, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

by Evanz on Jan 22, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

You right about that.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 22, 2012 2:54 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

looking forward to another of your predictions coming into fruition

i.e., dismantling the starting line up around the trade deadline when they’ve established they’re a sub-.500 team. of course they might not find the market for their players very favorable and decide to hold, and that’s where having Jackson to put an optimistic spin on things will again help with the cosmetic touch up.

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by the.monk on Jan 22, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope that trade will send Andris out somehow

I think we will get a SF or another center somehow. I could see us sending out Wright, Udoh and Andris

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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

My dream trade would be Curry, Udoh,Biedrins, Wright/Klay for Bynum

That’d be awesome

RIP Al Davis
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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

They need a PG and Curry would hold way more value in a trade for a center

They don’t take Monta

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by dubzfan on Jan 22, 2012 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

No way that gets Bynum.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart

by kenntoe on Jan 22, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not going to bash Jackson this early..

but the narrative is getting kinda stale already.. “We battle.” “We are a no excuse basketball team that battles.” “We are a defensive minded team” “We battle every night”….The last post game press conference made the “no excuse basketball team” motto kinda hollow when Jackson is up there blaming a missed kick ball on the loss…I actually liked Steinmetz in this interview…he refused to just accept the “Jacksonisms” and was trying to point out that they are 5-10 and look nothing close to a playoff team….

I actually like Mark Jackson but we need to see some results or at least some baby steps…getting blown out by the cats, losing to Jersey, and then losing game to the Pacers at home aren’t instilling confidence…the Pacers are a decent team but a western conference playoff team should take care of business vs. them on their home floor.

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jan 22, 2012 9:16 PM PST reply actions  

Talent's the problem.

But I can’t say the efforts any different than last year? They played hard for Smart last year.

Gambino is a mastermind...

by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 22, 2012 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

Its too early

to judge a rookie coach. Like other rookies it is a hit or miss. Everybody here Im sure feel what being a rookie like. Being rookie at your job, school or anything that is new to you. You need some kind of adjustment. You need time to get use to what you are doing. But so far Mark Jackson is doing a hell of a job. Besides the Clippers game and the 76ers nobody blow us out of the game. Clippers game it is the first game of the season, and Chris Paul kill us on that game. 76ers Ellis is out and Curry just got back from an injured ankle.

I give him another a year or 2 before I comment on his performance. that is the risk having a rookie coach. So you guys who hate Mark Jackson give him some time before you open your mouth. It is up to the management why they hired a rookie coach rather a old experience coach. But before any hall of famer coach become hall of famer they become a rookie coach.

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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT

by mykelala01 on Jan 22, 2012 11:55 PM PST reply actions  

Is our opponents field goal percentage better or worse than it was last season? Thats a clear indication of the disparity.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

not really because percentages coming out of the lockout are down in general

i dont think every team is suddenly playing better defense, i just think players are shooting worse. instead, i think it would be better to compare how the warriors are doing defensively against the league average compared to last season.

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow.

You know every team in the league is down offensively. We’re still 26th in points allowed per possession.

Gambino is a mastermind...

by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 23, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Good point. Im trying to find a way to gauge defensive improvement statistically right now.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Opposing FG%-
This year-
Warriors- .453
League avg- .442

Last year-
Warriors- .467
League avg- .459

Points allowed per 100 posessions-
This year-
Warriors- 107.2
League avg- 102.5

Last year-
Warriors- 110.7
League avg- 107.3

Not a good indicator of defensive improvement.

What I’d be curious on is further breakdown of scoring. My assumption is we’re still getting roasted at the rim.

by tafkasam on Jan 23, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Our opp. foul/FG is horrendous as well.

I know we gave DW12 like 1,001 FTA but still, we were leading the league in fouls at one point.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
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by kenntoe on Jan 23, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

As an optimistic Warriors fan I agree that we could very easily be 10-5..

but honestly that’s usually how the NBA goes. I don’t think it should be as encouraging as coach Jackson thinks it is. Often times, NBA games are decided by a couple plays here and there (usually mistakes by the losing team). So in 15 games, it has to be pretty discouraging to lose 8 close games. Look at each close loss individually and it’s encouraging to say we fix a couple things here there and we’ll be fine. Now, observe that we’ve come up just short 8 times in just 15 games as a result of the same stupid mistakes and you start to wonder if our guys putting the work in to fix their game changing mistakes.

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by dont_stop_believin' on Jan 23, 2012 2:21 AM PST reply actions  

If the playoffs started today, the Lakers would be out. I think its too early to jump off the boat.

by J-RIDAH on Jan 23, 2012 9:16 AM PST reply actions  

Lakers are actually having major issues in their team right now

because while they still have Kobe he’s getting old. They lost Odom for nothing, Blake is out, Artest isn’t nearly as good anymore on defense or shooting, and the whole team is shooting 25% from 3pt range. The only thing that could be improving is their 3pt range, but their overall effort has dipped majorly in the past few games and they don’t have the speed to keep up with the league (not to mention they’ve never had amazing perimeter defense and now it’s showing). These are issues that were bound to happen and now they are. It’s not about jumping off the boat but more looking at the reality of the situation now and down the road.

by Nith on Jan 23, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

The Lakers realistically are a 3 man team

And those 3 men are good, but not great anymore. Their surrounding players are legitimately bad. Steve Blake, Derek Fisher, Ron Artest, Troy Murphy, Josh McRoberts, Jason Kapono.

Legitimately, if we are healthy (meaning Curry, Kwame are playing) who of that bunch sees more than 10 minutes a game? I can really only make a case the bigs (cause we lack them) and Blake would even play

by tafkasam on Jan 23, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate this "we'll make the playoffs thing"

The front office pushed it during the offseason and now jackson is a corporate puppet saying something he cant possibly believe because he cannot suddenly say they arent going to make it. This isnt exactly Jackson’s fault, Riley failed to land any talent and Jackson is a rookie coach with no experience so he cant push too hard (publicly)

The defensive changes are obvious and very positive, but we are still week in the middle and out of sync on the offensive end. Maybe Marc is not the kind of coach who ever says that in public. I dont mind that as long as he is not preaching blind faith to the fans

by warriorsvictim on Jan 23, 2012 1:05 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Nothing to see here.

You’ve got a brand new head coach, 15 games into his first season, who’s biggest strength is probably motivation/inspiration. Of course he’s going to be looking for a silver lining, and a reason to keep believing they have what it takes. How can he ask his guys to buy in if he’s trashing them in the media?

Yeah, it might be a slight departure from “we are a no excuse basketball team” but he’s not being dishonest about the results, just looking at them as optimistically as possible.

There is obviously still a talent problem on this team, but that’s not his problem.

by olympicmike on Jan 23, 2012 1:44 PM PST reply actions  

Mark Jackson

what evidence???

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 23, 2012 2:51 PM PST reply actions  

Ha.

That’s hilarious.

BTW, is it normal to have three cops searching someone so vigorously?

by olympicmike on Jan 23, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

i remember reading the articles about this when it happened

hilarious.

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 24, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

pretty sure that's not paper

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

it was paper

it was the holdup note that the bank robber handed to the teller

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

by bigkino217 on Jan 24, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

hhahahaha, thanks
Mark Jackson speaker notes

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 24, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

the JOe Lacob playoff contract is stupid...

how but just make a “We will make the franchise better contract”…“We will obtain a superstar contract”…etc.

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jan 23, 2012 4:19 PM PST reply actions  

16 games played and only 3 games with 100+ points....... The reason we lose games late is becasue Mark Jackson has no plays or schemes designed to help this offense score in crunch time.

He just says “You’re a talented group of scorers…. GET ME POINTS!!!!” Every team has a talented group of scorers though.

This strategy is obvious at the end of games where we have iso’s and low percentage shots taken left and right.

by myk on Jan 24, 2012 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

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