Not using Amnesty on Biedrins= Bad Mistake
by PokerWarrior on Jan 22, 2012 12:33 PM PST
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Plain and simple....Who cares if someone else picked him up? He is a waste of cap and turning into one of the worst contracts in NBA history. Talk about a guy who took the money and ran. At least Captain Jack with all his shananigans at least gives a damn when he is on the court.
Biedrins vs Pacers:
24 minutes (exactly half the game) vs Roy Hibbert (Slow stiff), Amundson (Not as slow stiff), and Tyler Hansborough (Kinda slow stiff)...
4 rebounds (0 offensive), 0 points, 1 block, 1 turnover, 0 assists, 0 steals, 4 fouls.
Hibbert on our home floor managed 16 rebounds (4 offensive) 4 assists, 10 points, 2 blocks, only 1 turnover, and only 2 fouls in 34 minutes on the court.
Biedrins IMO simply doesn't care. Every so often there are athletes who simply take the money and run, meaning after their first big payday they simply quit caring or doing what it takes to be worth a damn. They are content with the money they have guaranteed to them and never perform up to what was expected or shown from past efforts.
I believe that Andris Biedrins has now officially joined the ranks of Chan Ho Park and Eddy Curry.
Not knowing that Kwame Brown would have gotten hurt, our ownership would have been much smarter to amnesty Biedrins and go with Brown & Udoh for the time being and gamble that a servicable big could be acquired in some form or fashion with the money that amnestying Biedrins would have opened up.
If I am a GM of any other club in the league and I am looking at Biedrins I turn down anything that he and his contract is involved in.
I don't even think Biedrins brings us a 2nd round pick from a contender who loses a big to injury later in the season. He is that BAD.
Thoughts?
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Hibbert is one of the league’s better centers. Hansborough is not a slow stiff. Beans did not have his best game against the Pacers but he passes the eyeball test for me this season.
by Steph Curry's Nipples on Jan 22, 2012 4:00 PM PST reply actions
If going up against Hibbert on your home court....
Nets you 0 points and 4 rebounds.
You have no pride.
by PokerWarrior on Jan 22, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
True
People who stand in the paint and don’t box out get 4 rebounds just from the ball bouncing funny off the rim.
We actually never even think to pass it to beans after the first two minutes in the game. I wonder if we spend 5 games feeding it to him all day if he would get out of a funk. We would definitely lose 5 games, but maybe Beans needs better practice against a big man.
basing an opinion off of 1 game is just silly
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
by bigkino217 on Jan 22, 2012 4:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
yeah overall this year has not been a terrible year for beans
And I think he’s due for a bounce back game
by Xtremelink on Jan 22, 2012 5:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
So you think his season numbers are not terrible?
3.7 Points Per Game
5.7 Rebounds Per Game
1.3 Blocks Per Game
0.3 Assists Per Game
0.8 Steals Per Game
3 Free Throw attempts thru 12 games. (0 makes of course)
All of this production from your STARTING 7"0 athletic center?
Sure how could we go wrong?
By keep returning to the same subject that’s been talked about plenty of times especially if the amnesty was already used. Not to be rude but Beans is the only center available unless you want Earl Barron to start over him.
by mrorangesoda on Jan 22, 2012 8:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I completely agree with you...
Im tired of people making excuses for him. Fact of the matter is that Biedrins sucks still and is not going to get any better. Kwame Brown was better than him. Im just frustrated with this management. Why did we go sign Earl Barron. I know we needed another center but why not get a young guy who we can see if we find a hidden gem. Byron Mullens who didn’t get any pt last season is playing very well in Charlotte now. Earl Barron has only proved that he deserves to not be a rotation player. Ifw e are ever gonna become better we need to take risks and give young players chances to prove themselves. I am still interested to see what Tyler can do. The guy is athletiic and he can’t be that bad. We should start a “Play Jeremy Tyler” movement. On a side note, right now I am ready to amnesty Kyle Williams. He blew the game twice.
Carmelo Anthony is the most overrated player in the NBA
this is a ridiculous take.
Byron Mullens? Jeremy Tyler?
this is like saying play Gerald Green or Joe Alexander b/c they are young and athletic (both are only 25!). you can either play or you can’t. the rate #‘s usually bare this out. you can either play or you can’t. if Mullens wasn’t 7 ft tall, he’d be in the same predicament as the 2 above.
maybe if Tyler was 18 and he didn’t yet have an NBA physique or if he was going to grow 3 or 4 more inches… now if you were saying let him play and pad up meaningless stats at low efficiency to fool some GM into thinking he could do something in the future a la Al Jefferson w/ the Celtics, that would be another story. might be kind of hard to do given that he’s picking up a foul every 2 minutes — but SSS.
anyway if u can’t tell by watching a player play, anytime you see inefficient offensive players chucking up high usage #‘s, that’s a huge indicator that said player (no matter how athletic) sucks at the game of basketball.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results."
by the evil monkey on Jan 22, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
The guy is athletiic and he can’t be that bad.
The second part of this statement is a really, really weak argument. He could be that bad – to date, he certainly hasn’t shown anything that suggests otherwise.
by Missing Barry on Jan 23, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
another nimrod looking at per game numbers.....
look, it’s not AB’s fault that he’s a dependent player that doesn’t have a Baron Davis all-star version on this team.
there’s a reason the dubs are +10.33 adj plus/minus and giving up 8.04 less points per 100 possessions when AB is in vs when he is out link.
Kwame also helps a great deal on d (-5.03), but unfortunately his constant bricking and turnovers hurt the offense more than his d helps (they score 6.52 pts less per 100).
his rate stats show that the problem is usage (8.4%). he’s not getting fed the ball enough. they need to get his usage back up to 14.4% or 16.9%. btw, the 16.9% was the year after Baron left, so it has nothing to do w/ BD. his TS% this season is an insane 67.2% even compared to his 07-08 season (63.7%).
they should have used the amnesty on David “no defense” Lee. he doesn’t fit w/ a Monta-centric team nor is he young enough to fit a youth movement.
in conjunction with using the amnesty on Lee, they should have either tried to move Steph and some of the other young players for a defensive star and built Iverson 76ers style or moved Monta off for young players and picks.
this new regime just continues the failure of the old regime. this is just like Rowell choosing Monta over JRich (and eventually Baron) along w/ Andris, then turning around and lavishing SJack and Corey Maggette w/ big money deals. pick a direction already.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results."
by the evil monkey on Jan 22, 2012 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
his rate stats show that the problem is usage
do they show that his usage is low due to foul trouble?
The problem with building an Iverson like team around Montay is that Montay doesn’t have Iverson’s ball handling skills so he’d be too easy to bottle up in that scenario. Montay needs to handle the ball less and just in scoring situations not in routine play making.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
do they show that his usage is low due to foul trouble?
usage is a percentage rate independent of minutes isn’t it? so why would foul trouble lower his usage?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
why would foul trouble lower his usage?
cause you can’t use a guy who can’t stay on the floor . If they eliminate the 6th foul and you are out rule then it wouldn’t matter.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 23, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
but usage is only based percentage of shot attempts versus teammate shot attempts when that player is on the floor
playing 30+ min doesn’t mean you have a higher usg% than someone who plays 15 min
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
shot attempts and turnovers*
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
but usage is only based percentage of shot attempts versus teammate shot attempts when that player is on the floor
depends on how you define usage.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
well evil monkey was using USG%
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
well evil monkey was using USG%
he needs to use the definition that causes the problem and not the one that don’t. his % of plays usage don’t matter if his game usage is hobbled by fouls.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 23, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
it's not biedrins' fault that jackson will pull him when he picks up 2 fouls even if he has no intention of playing him at the end of the game
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
it's not biedrins' fault that jackson will pull him when he picks up 2 fouls
yeah it kinda is.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 23, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
why pull him just because he picked up 2 fouls?
you’re not going to play him at the end of the game so what are you saving him for?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
if he's going to foul out halfway through the 3rd quarter, jackson should just let him
he’s not coming back in anyways
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Some of that usage is definitely on Biedrins. Needs to look to get his shot more.
by Missing Barry on Jan 23, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
APM
You can’t possibly use APM as a way to defend Biedrins’ terrible play. He’s +15.15 for all of 223 minutes this year… with an SE of +/- 12.44.
I’ve been consistently tracking this APM stat for a few years now. Over the years, he’s consistently been one of the worst on our team, usually hovering around the -4 to -7 APM ratings.
"We Deserve"
Over the years, he’s consistently been one of the worst on our team, usually hovering around the -4 to -7 APM ratings.
This really depends on what years you’re looking at. It’s really only been the last two seasons he’s been bad like that, and we all could plainly see he wasn’t playing like he used to. Not surprisingly, his former numbers were much better than that.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think that “per game” averages are a silly way of presenting things.
5.7 Rebounds Per Game
You neglected to qualify this that the 5.7 rebounds come in 17.2 minutes played. Without that latter part, your presentation is next to meaningless. So are all the other numbers you present.
that 1.3 blk and 0.8 stls is pretty impressive for 17 mins
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
not that steals and blocks = defense
but his defense has been really good
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
...in 17 minutes
3.6 PPG on 2.6 FGA actually isn’t that bad.
Also 5.7 rebounds in 17 minutes a game isn’t bad. I wonder if we fed him the ball more and gave him double PT if that would translate to 7.2 points and 11.4 rebounds. It’s not fantastic, not worth his contract, but I’d take that if he could do it and hold a guy like Hibbert to 10 pts.
The charlie Bell amnesty will always disgust me...
and I would have been all for amnestying biedrins if the front office was dead on set on using it this past offseason (I would have preferred to hold tight and keep it in our back pocket)….with that being said, Andris is actually not having that bad of a year…only Monta Ellis, David Lee, Steph Curry and Nate Robinson have a higher PER than Andris.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jan 22, 2012 8:41 PM PST reply actions
blame the front office
They burned their get out of jail free card
by maryjane on Jan 22, 2012 9:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe because it wouldn't actually get us out of jail.
The notion that you somehow get better by giving up your best payers for nothing is nonsensical.
Clears cap
Thus giving us more of an opportunity to get better players
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The problem is that it just doesn't seem to work that way in practice.
You can’t get top players if you’re a third-teir team.
Meh, silly overreaction post. I’m disappointed in Biedrins, too, but he hasn’t been that bad, and additionally – his contract really isn’t that bad. $9M, not escalating, is hardly a killer. I think Biedrins is probably tradeable for salary relief at this point. As for the amnesty, I would have preferred to use it on Lee or save it for the future.
I agree here. Beans is tradable soon. The question to support that would be "which teams in the playoffs hunt has a worse backup center than beans?"
any of those teams could use beans and maybe be willing to dish out thier late 1st round pick to solidify thier C position (or maybe a 2nd round pick)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Just Crazy Talk
If anyone thinks the Warriors are going to pay someone 27 mil to walk is just crazy. And then sign someone else using that money is just double paying and the Warriors would never let that happen. They have guaranteed fan support that equates to a pretty set dollar figure and double paying someone just cuts into the profits. It’s called Cohenisum – make everyone think you want to win and just rake in the cash from fan support.
We should feel lucky they used it on anyone at all, let alone Bell.
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Jan 23, 2012 10:34 AM PST reply actions
they would not have paid the entire 27 mil... they only pay a fraction of that
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
They would have to pay the whole thing unless another team picked him up.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 24, 2012 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
well, I don't know who we are talking about here, but if it's Lee
I promise you that someone would pick him up
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Beans is a maybe...
Lee is a possibility.
Bell is a guarantee.
Warriors don’t want to screw up anymore.
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Jan 25, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
not even the worst contract on his team
by AJC3317 on Jan 24, 2012 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes. Amnesty the guy shooting 71% and getting 11.3 REB/36 and 2.6 BLK/36.
Or, perhaps, play him more.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 25, 2012 11:12 AM PST reply actions
yet another reason
that mark jackson has no business being a head coach
Well, I dunno about this being “another” reason, but it is at least something we, as fans, can point to.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Should've just traded him for Jordan Hill and Thabeet
We would have depth and would get more value than we would now
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