This Season is OVER
by Agent Zero on Jan 23, 2012 10:04 PM PST
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The grizzlies debacle just cements this fate for us. Unbelievable. The starting lineup sucks. I'll take the bench over our starters any day. They play with more energy, they don't turn the ball over, the DON'T TAKE BAD SHOTS. I don't know why Mark Jackson never wants to play Andris in the 4th. He's not playing spectacular but he is playing solid, he rebounds, he defends, he doesn't force offense, he keeps plays alive and gets us extra posessions, most importantly he allows everyone else to play their natural position, especially Lee. If we're playing a team with good bigmen and we play Lee at center, we GET KILLED EVERY TIME. Why isn't andris on the floor?? Small ball in the 4th has killed us. We end up being totally perimeter oriented and suck. If we're not hot, we lose. Even with a 20 point lead. Blow this team up. We suck. We need a legitimate star. Monta is having a horrible year. FG% and late game decisions have been terrible.
Andris Biedrins was +12 this game! All other starters were negative. Klay +5, Nate +6
COME ON. Andris had 3 fouls and played 16 minutes. I thought we were done playing small ball. He’s the only center on the roster. Jesus christ.
Monta Ellis is inefficient, undersized, turns it over, makes stupid plays at the end of games. Dorrell Wright: Wtf is wrong with this dude? Took you so long to finally man up and do something? There's something wrong with this guy's mental game. When he's on he's on, and I like his length, but he is just a weird, awkward player. He does stuff where its like how long have you been playing basketball? Missing layups, turning it over, passing it to brandon rush way too early on the fast break. Disappearing for games. We should have traded him while his stock was high and his contract is still so low, after last season.
I would rather have Klay and Rush play than Monta and Dorrell. And then play Andris more. But this team is so seriously flawed, we need to think about moving forward.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Andris Beidrins
was +12 this game! All other starters were negative. Klay +5, Nate +6
COME ON. Andris had 3 fouls and played 16 minutes. I thought we were done playing small ball. He’s the only center on the roster. Jesus christ.
by Agent Zero on Jan 23, 2012 10:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don’t understand why we think he’s good enough to start the game, but then another lineup is better later in the game?
by Missing Barry on Jan 23, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
i did not watch; what quarter did he play? all i see on stats is two rebounds, three fouls and. one blocked shot.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:39 AM PST up reply actions
he played in the quarters where we built our lead
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Steph Curry for Defensive Liability Player of the year!
I love Steph offensively, but he could’t guard a rock if he wanted to.
by diggitydawg510 on Jan 23, 2012 10:12 PM PST reply actions
i really like his touch fouls.. he makes them look easy
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:39 AM PST up reply actions
Mark Jackson is the Mike Singletary of basketball. Has no idea what he is doing.
by pat52willis on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
agreed. Singletary believed in this whole "we are a family" concept but never knew his x's and o's.
very similar to MJ. gets outcoached in the 4th quarter every game.
While you sit here typing some witty response, Bruce Bochy, world champion, is smiling from above.
vernon davis said that when singletary called him out one game , it changed davis (for the good)...
maybe jackson gets the same result with curry (no more sisssy touch fouls)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
oh man, warriors are screwed;
has he pulled his pants down yet in the locker room yet?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:41 AM PST up reply actions
He tried but he turned it over as well
by mrorangesoda on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
let's keep this tank on track!
settle down everybody, this team is just about as good as we have all feared. Juuust good enough to miss out on the 7th pick
The Grizz are a pretty good team. While I always hope for a win, just remember that every loss that piles up is another chip towards a nice high draft pick
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 24, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
its those wins that are so damaging. the other teams on the tank have a total knack for not winning....
the only way one wins is when two bottom feeders play eachother
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I just don't understand
Why are people getting so butt hurt about something we all knew was coming?
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 24, 2012 9:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think they are still clinging to the hope that we could rise to our 8th seed potential
that has to hurt as much as my over inflated homerisms that ultimately fail.. (Tyler is the next wilt chamberlain lol)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Trying to like Mark Jackson but he really is a first timer
with ZERO coaching experience, I hope that Lacob was expecting this result. I can point to at least 4 games in this early (and short) season that we lost because we got outcoached. Last night … you got your bench players rolling up the Grizzlies and outscoring them bigtime, yet we hardly see those guys playing again together in the 2nd half – grrrrrrrrrrrr
by stillbelieve on Jan 24, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t see anything about last night that indicated we lost because of coaching. We lost because we couldn’t rebound/defend at the end and kept turning it over.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Well there weren’t any play calls on offense really, just isos and deep contested jumpers. If we score just 15 points or so that quarter, we win
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jan 26, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
But yeah, it was lost on D
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jan 27, 2012 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t see many isos, I saw a lot of PnR, though.
by Missing Barry on Jan 27, 2012 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
Watching the post game now
All the players are talking about is 4th quarter offensive execution. Yes, it could have been much better, but HELLO! You are missing what really happened! We scored in the low 20s every quarter! offensive output was the same, the whole game. Now let’s look at our defense, the grizzlies scored 13 pts in the first, 22 in the second, 17 in the 3rd, AND 39.. I REPEAT THIRTY NINE POINTS IN THE FOURTH QUARTER.
If Andris is on the court
NO WAY they score 39 in the fourth. NOW WAY.
he plays good d
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Were we watching the same game?
Beans constantly gets destroyed by any center with an ounce of muscle on them
Wanna feel real torture? Try being a Warrior fan.
by luvmydubz23 on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
seems to me that memphis wasn't scoring a whole lot of points with biedrins on the floor
and it’s not just this game, it’s been a trend all season.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
just to be clear (SSS alert)
beans on court, opponents score 100.8 points per 100 possessions
beans off court, opponents score 110.1 points per 100 possessions
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
16 games is amost a MSS (medium sample size)
I would venture to say that if he keeps this up and nothing else then his trade value should be rising. agree?
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
If beans gets destroyed
I guess that means Lee and Udoh get obliterated?
Andris is still our best Interior/help defender
actually it was offensive execution that gave the grizz so many points
we turned the ball over so many times and gave up a ton of fast breaks…thats actually all on terrible offensive execution
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Jan 23, 2012 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
i thought i heard fitz say we had 9 in the 4th.. maybe i heard wrong
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Well, 4 in the ourth is still too many when the other team is rallying!
They just seemed more because they wre big!
pretty sure i heard this too
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
it was 9
4 by ellis alone, 2 by curry, 2 by rush, 1 by nate
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Watching the post game now, All the players are talking about is 4th quarter offensive execution
coach too, no one recognizes that it’s not a problem of effort or execution it’s a simple problem of size. We just get dominated on the boards so are always playing uphill even when we have a lead.We need to level the playing field by getting bigger.Same problem we’ve had every since we lost in the 2nd round to utah but no one wants to fix it.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
The rebounding was a big problem, but so were the turnovers, and those weren’t because of size.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
but so were the turnovers, and those weren’t because of size.
if we had better bigs we wouldn’t have to make those turnovers, we’d be comfortably playing our own game .
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Curry, Biedrins Udoh, Klay/Wright for Bynum
Then I will be somewhat happy
RIP Al Davis
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that sounds painful.... and isnt bynum a guy that plays 70% of the season? im hesitant..
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Woud you rather have Curry for 70 games or Bynum for 55-60 in a full season?
I’d take Bynum
RIP Al Davis
PS3 - agentpoop (dont ask why the name... tell me if your from a blog)
twitter - @nateoak5
Curry and Klay, WTF?????
Im glad you aint in the front office because Id be upset if they did that trade for Dwight Jordan-Jabbar Chamberlain and you want Bynum? Klay is going to do big things in this league. Steph gotta get that ankle together eventually but with the right pieces he will be a HOF PG (you can laugh but the skill set is there). Bynum is all broke up and gets injured every year. You seen how Yao and Oden are, big and fragile. So is Bynum but we dont see it full on because the lakers dont run him like that.
We need to get Kareem to coach our big men like the lakers did thats about it
"Show no mercy... for your greatness will silence them all"
by TheUltimateGSWARRIOR on Jan 25, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
This season was over when Brown went down. He showed some promise inside. Our last hope is an Earl Barron miracle!
Steph was out, Monta was burned….this team never got any help inside (a biggie). We lost Reggie and Vlad, who were proven players, and hope that a rookie will fill their shoes. No way! This game, Biedrins and Udoh had a total of 3 rebounds! Lee had 12! That pretty much says it all! The rest is patchwork…
this season was over long before brown went down lol
it was pretty much over once they missed out on the major signings in free agency
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
by bigkino217 on Jan 23, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
ya, bell could have helped the warriors win
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:43 AM PST up reply actions
YES
The amnesty of Bell totally ended our season, he was such a valuable player, He would have been an All Star and we probably would have won the Championship.
well, my point was more that we should have amnestied Lee... that would have given us TON of flexibility going forward
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
the fact that we didn't use it on Lee
tells me to just get the F over it…there will be no full rebuild (at least not soon)
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 24, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
true! its painful to rehash over and over... personally i dont need a rebuild or blow up
as long as we can somehow manage to pick up two gems over the next two drafts , and those drafts turn out to be our best two players, then we will be seeing championship contention in a few years for a while to come
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
more likely
doesn’t happen, Evanz goes full dark depression a la AB1
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 24, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
earl barron, i still do not know who that is
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:42 AM PST up reply actions
One center is not going to cut it. Monta and Curry can co-exist but can not be on the court at the same time.
by 22goose on Jan 23, 2012 10:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That doesn't really make sense
RIP Al Davis
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ya it does if you only play Monta for 20 minutes a game.. Curry for 30
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
that still gives them at least 2 mins on the court together ;)
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
unless you play a whole lot of OT games
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
On the contrare! ( : I allowed for Monta to play the point for a couple minutes a game when Currys on the bench
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
they're still going to be on the court together for at least 2 mins without OT
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
no its still possible i think.. see below. its no prob with them on
together for short bits here and there , but as our main approach , not cool
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Regardless of how long they play together, all you will ever have is a perimeter game.....
Good teams will shut that down once they realize you have no inside game….
pg- curry 30 jenkins 15 Ellis 3
sg- ellis 18 klay 18 rush? 12
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
i think shorter minutes with ellis in there would prove to be a more winning strategy
but really im all for tank so im kinda ok with however jackson wants to screw it up haha. but, i just wish and hope that he will develope the rookies along
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
I hear you, but, I am beyond strategizing and statistics...we really suck without any major inside presence...
None of our rookies have any star potential to boot!
yup.. our ETERNAL search for the big man..
We become dominant i bet if we were to just insert one big man better than beans that can play 30 per game with the other 18 minutes to beans
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Agree...all I ever hoped for was an experienced, decent, big man..
Does not have to be a superstar…just someone that can box-out, rebound, play some defense, and give you 8-10 points per game…
I post this trade idea in another post but its relevant here
This season is over. Time to tank and rebuild
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=76nnqdz
The deal is between the Celtics, Clippers and the Warriors.
Celtics receive David Lee, Monta Ellis, Mo Williams
Clippers receive Ray Allen, Dorrell Wright
Warriors receive Kevin Garnett, Randy Foye, Avery Bradley and Bostons 1st round pick
agreed
boston would have to be crazy to trade ray, kg, bradley, and their first rounder for monta lee and mo.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
The 1st rounder is not that important
Boston gets players in their prime for old guys. There team has clearly lost a step and Ainge is trying to move his guys. Two guys who are considered borderline All Stars and Mo Williams to lead the second unit, I believe they would be hard pressed to turn this down. Because there at the point of being way over the cap so losing KG and Ray Allen only gives them a little cap space.
by Oracle Junkie on Jan 23, 2012 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
Have you watched the Warriors this year? Tell me how Boston turning itself into the Warriors is a good thing for them?
by Missing Barry on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
theyre not going to lose ray and kg to free agency
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
no thanks
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:44 AM PST up reply actions
Ya its funny but the "bust" Kwame Brown was really a good fit on our team! or so it seemed at least
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
for sure. ive lost hope that tyler will be ready at all soon.. too bad.. i paid for my homerness
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
i cant even muster enough homer to go for that haha ( :
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
blasphemy
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
At some point in time, we have to admit that the earth is, after all, round...
And, this team sucketh…
yes but piratewarrior can never run out of homerism
its physically impossible ;)
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
It is called wear and tear; in the military it is known as battle fatigue...
Curable….but a long-term proposition
I knew the game was over
when someone (Conley or Gay) spun on Monta and Lee just watched as he went for the easy layup instead of helping. Our big men really need to learn how to defend correctly.
Wanna feel real torture? Try being a Warrior fan.
Lee was in foul trouble most of the game
I like to think that means he is trying more on D.
It smells like hope in this mug
unfortunately
that’s not what it actually meant lol
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
trade now
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7kdxkh7
wizards
Ekpe Udoh
Golden State
JaVale MeGee
Andri Iguodala
76ers
Dwright
Beans
MeGee
Lee
Iggy
Ellis
Curry
Looks much better!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
so washington is gonna trade us mcgee for udoh?
and the sixers are gonna give us iggy for wright and beans?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
why not? I was reading that the wizards do not like megee and they might not extend him, his contract expires this year. iggy may be a stretch.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
I can see the Wizards being dumb
But not Philly
RIP Al Davis
PS3 - agentpoop (dont ask why the name... tell me if your from a blog)
twitter - @nateoak5
wizards may be blowing up their team and megee may even be available as a free agent this next summer
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
somehwere, J-Ridah is screaming like an excited girl
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
As a Wizards fan I will tell you that we are FAR from disliking JaVale.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
Your site says otherwise
You guys are hard on him, lots of people say they are just tired of him
Yes I creep on your site
RIP Al Davis
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twitter - @nateoak5
"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
OMG THAT WOULD BE AMAZING
But would never work unless we through Lee in. And even then its still a very slight chance.
by gswarriors12 on Jan 24, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
A slight chance is a huge exaggeration.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
This is from a writer who follows the wizards
Wizards need to part with Andray Blatche, JaVale McGee and Nick Young
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that doesn’t mean that you can just propose any trade you want and it’s going to work. The other teams do have the ability to say no (and they would).
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
would you do Bidrens for McGee?
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I probably would, on the basis that McGee is younger, cheaper and has more potential. If we were a contender right now, I would not – don’t think McGee is ready to play winning basketball for a contender right now.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
throw him in; sign kris humphries this offseason
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
That may just work in 2k with trade override on
Realistically, trading for someone like Okafor seems possible while only giving up Biedrins or something. Okafor has a bad contract, but he’s a upgrade at center than w/e we have now. He’s basically a better Kwame.. not much I know but it’ll at least force mark jackson to have to play him 25-30mins and also in the 4th quarter. I much prefer him over Kaman, and chances of us signing Hibbert or Mcgee in offseason? close to 0.
This was from tonights game, did not expect that to happen at all from him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvmJKP0dfso&feature=player_embedded
we're not a bad team because we collapse
we collapse because we are a bad team
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
by Evanz on Jan 24, 2012 5:58 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
You're correct on that one
they beat themselves like half the games they lose
Mark Jackson seems to have gone away from good substitution patterns. I would have liked to see Andris yanked in the 1st quarter BEFORE he picked up his 2nd foul. He was yanked with around 3 minutes left after he picked up foul #2.
Charles Jenkins is MIA but I feel he is more productive than Nate Robinson or even Monta.
D.Wright continues to be soft serve ice cream. Would rather see McGuire or Rush start.
Curry seems to still make those lazy entry passes to the wings that get picked off easily. Does he need Lasik?
David Lee is just OK.
My eye cannot tell whether or not Udoh is doing good or not. It seems like he does as much good as bad. Like Nate Robinson. Like a lot of the players on this team.
Monta is Monta, which IMO is not good.
I don’t see any accountability by the players, coaching staff, or front office.
I wish I could be a fan of another team but unfortunately my heart is with the Warriors. I think Joe Lacob should offer a form of Medicare to Warrior fans.
soft serve lol but true
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Why do we bother yanking Biedrins for fouls at all? He plays so few minutes, and when he does get a couple fouls, we yank him…and the end result is he’s NEVER in foul trouble. I don’t get it.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
that's what i've been saying
the whole point of yanking players in foul trouble is to save them for the 4th quarter.
we dont play beans in the 4th quarter, so what are we saving him for.
a lot of coaches don’t understand that, they just live by the “pull the guy with 2 fouls in the first half” rule.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
by bigkino217 on Jan 24, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
any person in here that complains that biedrins doesn't play enough should blame the coaching
the only way you can’t blame the coaching is if he fouls out every game. personally, he’s a positive enough impact that i’d leave him in for however many minutes i want him to play, regardless of foul trouble. if you’re not going to play him in the 4th quarter, why save him from fouling out in the 3rd? just play him until he does.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
careful, you guys are starting to make alot of sense.. If they see this and latch on it could totally ruin the tank
but seriously the way they use beans is totally retarded haha
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Why do we bother yanking Biedrins for fouls at all? He plays so few minutes, and when he does get a couple fouls, we yank him…and the end result is he’s NEVER in foul trouble. I don’t get it.
Are you asking me? LOL
My coaching suggestion and hope is for Biedrins to play in the 4th. So, maybe that’s where my comment stems.
by Doctor Kajita on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
After that heart breaking Niner loss
I was resigned to not bother watching Warriors. I saw online that they were up by 20 in the third and thought – hey, maybe a Warrior win will cheer me up. Oh, the cruel irony.
Andris needs to be on the court in the 4th when we are struggling on defense. This just seems like common sense to me so Jackson and crew lost some cred there.
When the game is on the line:
Monta monta monta. SIgh. Love this player but he is making it real easy to see him traded. Why didn’t he pass the ball to Rush with 11 seconds left when Gasol was in his grill. He gets stupid when game is on the line
Curry and Wright seem to play tight and start telegraphing passes and wilt under the pressure of tough defense.
Lee stops playing defense.
Give me Rush, Nate, and Andris in the 4th and I think we win.
Blow this team up – first time I have said this in many years. That game, after the recent debacles, was a new low, even for us.
what about the coaching? Is mark jackon in over his head? In years past the warriors seemed to be way better on offense but this year it seems that the offense is just as bad as the defense?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
So True....
Jackson is not ready to be a head coach. The front office took a big leap of faith and it has not paid off.
Considering that we have a deeper bench than last years team we should have a stronger record than we currently do.
my thoughts also. Vlad played center for a few games last year!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno how much deeper/better the bench is overall
last year Vlad, Reggie, and even Gadz contributed ok
IMO, the bench is pretty much a wash compared to last year
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 24, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
has vlad played center or someone like vlad played center this year for the warriors? bench is much better this year with actual players to back up the starters at each position.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
I know Lee played Center for a bit...maybe the other Wright brother too
if I was coaching, I would tell Lee to do nothing but work on developing 3 point range.
put him and Udoh out there together as our starters, bring in Beans for D relief as needed
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
No way its a wash.
Hands down this years bench is a lot deeper than last years. Reggie Williams has been replaced by Rush and Thompson, Vlad, who I’d say wasn’t a very big assest, was replaced by a sophmore Ekpe Udoh and Dominic McGuire and Kwame Brown was a lot better than Dan Gadzuric. Plus consider we added better PG depth with Jenkins and Robinson.
Mark Jackson is working with a better roster and has, so far, not had better results. Who knows, maybe he puts it together as the season progresses, but the FO should have looked for an experienced coach to handle things.
too soon to tell in my opinion
Unlike the NFL, I put little stock in a team’s wins and loss record with the coach. Some are clearly great, like Poppavitvch (sp?) and a few others, but most tend to be only as good as the team they can put on the floor. When we had a fully healthy roster and they were responding well to him by playing pretty good defense, he seemed like a great hire. Now, after 4 losses that we SHOULD have won, he looks bad. Win as a team, lose as a team – all share the blame and the credit.
by Togna Balogna on Jan 24, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
but most tend to be only as good as the team they can put on the floor.
That seems to be a problem, the team he CAN put on the floor seems to be better than the team he usually DOES put in the floor
His substitution patterns and awful motivational blathering make it clear he has no idea what he's doing.
Send him packing, then give Mike Malone a five-year contract at a good rate and tell him to turn the team around, no matter who he has to move. Make sure the front office is on the same page with him, then prepare for a few bad years (as if they could get worse at this point :P ) while he rebuilds the team from the ground up. If we don’t give him a head coaching job, someone else will and soon.
by MightyMegalodon on Jan 24, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
What makes you think Mike Malone would be a good head coach? As for substitution packages – seems to me that’s a lot like playcalling in football, where fans always complain about it. What, specifically, don’t you like? And why do you have an issue with his motivational blathering?
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Substitution packages? Okay, here’s one: the Warriors have a sizable lead with a few minutes left in the first half, with the bench managing to widen the lead by eight or nine points. Jackson then brings the starters back, and they stink it up, turning the ball over, missing shots and allowing the Grizzlies to regain their lost momentum. At no point during the Grizzlies run does he call a time out and bring the unit that had been playing well out again to kill Memphis’ comeback.
He then does pretty much the same thing in the fourth quarter, only without Biedrins (the only player on the W’s that’s anywhere near a competent post defender). Instead of calling a timeout and bringing in at least a few of the energy players off the bench that were responsible for running up the score on the Grizzlies twice, he leaves the starters in and they blow it once more, just as they did at the end of the second. This makes me think that his grasp of strategy is lacking, and I’m pretty sure the majority of Warriors fans (or anyone who watched that game) would agree.
by MightyMegalodon on Jan 24, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, here’s one: the Warriors have a sizable lead with a few minutes left in the first half, with the bench managing to widen the lead by eight or nine points. Jackson then brings the starters back, and they stink it up, turning the ball over, missing shots and allowing the Grizzlies to regain their lost momentum. At no point during the Grizzlies run does he call a time out and bring the unit that had been playing well out again to kill Memphis’ comeback.
our bench was beating memphis’ bench. when memphis brought back in the fresh starters, our bench that had been on the floor for a while would have gotten destroyed
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
in his defense if the bench is having a great game i would keep them out there
and rest our starters even longer than normal , until there were definate signs that they are on the verge of getting destroyed but if they manage to keep pace or only cough up 5 points or so, i leave em it
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not convinced that “having a great game” is in any way predictive. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen data on guys who start off a game shooting hot that indicates they actually shoot worse than you would expect for the rest of the game.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
i see ur point there but, you know if a unit is on a roll or not just by the flow of the game
and the scoreboard most importantly and if they are rollin , what is the point in pulling them out.
I will just add that I did not even see the game, just basing this off of what others said…
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
without seeing the game
you have to see that there is a sizeable talent difference between being able to compete with conley, allen, gay, speights, gasol versus mayo, selby, pondexter, cunningham, and haddadi. being able to go on a run against the 2nd 5 means pretty much nothing.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Well I understand that but if a unit is on fire then i would let them go until
that proves to be untrue. Maybe it would be a meltdown in the first couple minutes but , from the sound of things that is what happened to our starting unit anyways. would it have been doubly bad if our bench stayed in there (our bench being an arguably better defensive unit considered)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Bringing in the starters doesn’t bother me at all. They’re the better players. It’s easy to say they lost the lead, but that’s all hindsight judgment. When he was making the decision, he didn’t have the benefit of hindsight. You can claim the backups had outplayed the Grizzlies, but there’s no guarantee that would continue. They outplay them until, well, they don’t.
I can get on board with the more Biedrins criticism, but beyond that, I don’t find anything objectionable about the strategy.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
If our bench squad was having a on night and you let them stay in
then you can buy maybe 5-7 more minutes of rest for the starting unit without blowing a fuse…
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
the bench was on the floor for the first like 8 minutes of the quarter
they got plenty of run.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Unless the bench squad starts playing like…well, bench players all of a sudden. When it comes to evaluating things like the hot hand, we’re just not wired to do it accurately. I don’t mind any decisions about when, exactly, to pull some guys and put other guys in. It’s the general long term trends of giving certain players minutes and other not many minutes that I think are worth worrying about.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
What makes you so sure Jackson is making sub decisions?
Malone is doing a lot on the sidelines. Is he innocent of these crappy sub patterns?
I thought the W’s hired him to “hold MJ’s hand”…
The problem is that there's lots of stuff that looks fixable ...
… but no real time to get it fixed.
I have no idea if Jackson is capable of making the necessary adjustments or not. But he won’t, not until next season. Not with the schedule this year.
the 4th quarter was an absolute joke
the first 3 quarters were good team basketball, but for some reason we fell back into small ball and monta isos in the 4th and quickly watched the lead disapper. it’s been a horrible trend all year. i don’t understand biedrins constantly sitting in the 4th. he doesn’t do much else but he can at least grab a rebound and contest shots at the rim. and how did memphis get back in the game last night? by getting uncontested layups and numerous offensive rebounds
stop complaining
mark jackson is obviously helping us tank ;)
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
by bigkino217 on Jan 24, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lee foul trouble, Curry conditioning
I was at the game. I haven’t seen the shot chart, but I’m certain that we got killed in the pain in the 4th quarter. Lee was playing (small) center, and MEM went on their run when they downsized too (sat Gasol). Lee was in foul trouble, and we had no one to stop the drives to the hoop.
Biedrins would have protected the paint, at least…
Also, Curry looked tired to me. I think he was gassed at the end of the game, and that’s what caused the turnovers. The second unit hardly played the second half. I’m pretty sure Curry played all but 3 minutes in the second half…
pretty obvious that Curry got too many minutes
they have depth at guard and there was no reason with his ankle and conditioning to have him go more than 25-30 min. Biedrins needed to relieve Lee as soon as Lee got his fourth foul. With Wright not scoring nor rebounding, his minutes were also excessive ; again, they have several alternatives.
we aren’t really blaming Ellis, just recognizing a functional deficiency, to admit the team’s problems in the fourth quarter against quality opponents if he is the floor leader on offense. it’s possible they lack anyone better until Curry fully recovers, but the younger guard’s capabilities will be suppressed even then when he’s sharing the floor with Ellis. as long as they insist on giving them both extended minutes together, they’re prolonging the inconsistency and indecision.
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Dont be crappin on Monta fellas - workin his ass off
Anybody who is crappin on Monta or Lee so far this year must not be watching the games very closely. Both those guys have been workin their butts off, not complaining, and trying to right the ship. Monta and Lee are studs … after that … not, unproven, or inconsistent.
REAL PROBLEM ? Inexperienced Head Coach (showing) and not enough support from the rest of the starters. I agree with some who suggest we get our bench more minutes – did you see them take the lead in Q2 last night ? Those guys were rolling. Something there but we probably wont find out with Jacksons stubborn tendencies.
Both those guys have been workin their butts off, not complaining, and trying to right the ship.
I’m not going to argue with any of those points, but you’re missing the main point against them – that their play isn’t particularly effective.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Anybody who is crappin on Monta or Lee so far this year must not be watching the games very closely. Both those guys have been workin their butts off,
No one is complaining about their effort, they are just not the right parts for this wrong machine.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 24, 2012 2:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
PATHETIC
There’s no other word to describe how terrible this team is. I have stuck by them thru many games in the past where they’ve imploded but that game last night was DISGUSTING. DId they learn NOTHING from the game before vs the Pacers?
Unbelieveable! I truly believe there needs to be huge changes because this team just can’t win on a consistent basis. New mgmt, new coach, so-called no defensive scheme. complete FAIL.
No one is untouchable….trade away Curry, Ellis, Lee….whoever…we need to shake things up in the worse way. Yet again, not amnestying Beans rears its ugly head again. How many minutes did he play last night? Thats right. And you’re paying the guy how much? REDIC. We coulda spent that money elsewhere.
My blood boiled everytime the Cohan regime f*cked up and its happening again with Lacob and the boys. I’m going to have a personal boycott of attending any home game until they make some moves…I’m fed up!
We Believe!!!
i feel your pain
The front office is to blame along with the coach.
My feelings are similar to yours as i stated in my fanshot a few hours ago..
If anyone starts over Wright, it should obviously be Rush. Maguire pretty much sucks.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'd start Klay over McGuire, too
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Klay should start depending on matchups
Obviously don’t want him guarding the lebrons, durants or even a gerald wallace.
I think the coach should be brave enough to start different guys each night depending on who is the most worthy.
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe he is
It’s possible that his rotation is predetermined based on what he saw in practice. This gets communicated to the players, then, during the game, he sticks to the rotation, so guys aren’t worrying too much about screwing up on the court. It’s frustrating at times, like the first game where Klay shouldn’t have had 6 first quarter minutes, but I can see that he’s trying to get his players to trust him.
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Jan 25, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
this is one of my favorite (maybe only) difference between Smart and MFJ
nice, solid rotations
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t mind Mcguire starting along with Lee and Biedrins, thats probably our best rebounding lineup, he also plays solid D. As long as he does not take any sort of shots except open layups.
The line up that should play the most minutes together..
Steph
Klay
McQuire/Rush
Lee
Biedrins
The line up that should play the most minutes together..
the charmins?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 24, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
dude is thinking of retiring from his back issues
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
Spoiler Alert:
Any team with a Monta Ellis, David Lee, Stephen Curry core is going to suck.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 25, 2012 11:08 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
We won 30+ last season...
We were good enough to be 11th in the West. Still think we suck….?
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by warriorsscore110 on Jan 25, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
yes
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
How does any of the evidence you just presented suggest otherwise?
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
lol
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
I think it was sarcasm
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
I hope so, definitely got me if it was…
by Missing Barry on Jan 27, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
the only thing to make this team any better
is to get anthony tolliver back.
by nelliesux on Jan 25, 2012 1:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Joe Lacob and Mark Jackson are continuing the dream of 8th seed or die trying,
and keeping in tradition, we are failing miserably.
Hey but in 12 years maybe we can make the playoffs again, and get beat down in the second round again. What a success that will be……
My favortie memories of college is being up in the student section, taking off my left shoe, and holding it up in the air whenever #89 made a catch.
by warriorsscore110 on Jan 25, 2012 5:09 PM PST reply actions
The Wizzard of OZ has something to say about that!
Dam, if we can only keep the curtain closed.
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Jan 25, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
At first i was opposed to tanking
but now its not like were gonna get far even if we do miraculously make the playoffs so we shud tank and get a good pick and get a big man then next year seriously try to get to the playoffs and if we play tyler jenkins and klay more theyll become better for next year
CAN YOU NAME 3 pontentially SOLID NBA BIG MEN IN THIS YEARS NCAA DRAFT CLASS?
Or even a surefire EURO thatll ball out?
Dont worry Ill wait…
Everyone wants to blow it up but for who?
"Show no mercy... for your greatness will silence them all"
by TheUltimateGSWARRIOR on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 PM PST reply actions
If there isn't a player that fits our needs
We should still draft the best player available. That equals more assets and then we would potentially have more trade chips to acquire a big man.
by GSWarrior1818 on Jan 25, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Thomas Robinson, Jared Sullinger and Perry Jones
RIP Al Davis
PS3 - agentpoop (dont ask why the name... tell me if your from a blog)
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