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First Round
1 Anthony Davis PF
18 years old; 6’10"; 220 lbs.
Kentucky, Freshman 2 Andre Drummond C
18 years old; 6’11"; 251 lbs.
Connecticut, Freshman 3 Michael Gilchrist SF
18 years old; 6’7"; 228 lbs.
Kentucky, Freshman 4 Harrison Barnes SF
19 years old; 6’8"; 223 lbs.
North Carolina, Sophomore 5 Jared Sullinger PF
19 years old; 6’9"; 280 lbs.
Ohio State, Sophomore 6 Thomas Robinson PF
20 years old; 6’9"; 240 lbs.
Kansas, Junior 7 Perry Jones PF
20 years old; 6’11"; 220
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1kMEwXqDQ
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Which 1 can save the franchise?
Potentially the top 2
3 and 4 can at least be huge helps
RIP Al Davis
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Drummond
"I didn't hold up no middle fingers. My middle finger is crooked so it sticks out. Maybe that's what was showing." -Metta World Peace
by Butterknuckles on Jan 23, 2012 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
youre also convinced davis = aminu
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
good
i’m glad you can see why no one cares that you’re convinced that drummond isn’t going to be good.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
How do you know no one cares? Im sure more care about my opinion than yours. I dont mind being the contrarian in a room full of ppl who dont know hoops.
haha contrarian? did u make that up? either way , i like it
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Really? Why?
He’s certainly undeveloped (not underdeveloped), and Uconn might not be the place for him. Hard to deny that he’s got a lot of tools in the shed though, and almost immediately adds a presence in the paint.
"I didn't hold up no middle fingers. My middle finger is crooked so it sticks out. Maybe that's what was showing." -Metta World Peace
by Butterknuckles on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
with j-ridah, if he doesn't like a player, that means he's bad.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Butterknuckles, I heard the same thing verbatim about Thabeet. You dont take a project that high. You just cant do it unless the draft is so bad you have to. Projects should not be lottery picks in my opinion. Tyler is a project. How many more do we need?
Everyone worth drafting is a project at some stage, right?
Including Davis, Gilchrist and Harrison. I can see an association between Hasheem and Andre in that they’re both big and play for Uconn and have/had a lot of work to do. Otherwise, apples vs. bowlingballs. Drummond is considerably more athletic now than Thabeet ever was or will be, and also has speed and mobility, which Hasheem NEVER had nor will have. The only guy I can think of in this draft that isn’t a project of some kind is Mason Plumlee, and the thought of drafting him makes me cringe. For the sake of argument, suppose lightning strikes the s***house and we were to get the #1 pick. Who’s your guy?
"I didn't hold up no middle fingers. My middle finger is crooked so it sticks out. Maybe that's what was showing." -Metta World Peace
by Butterknuckles on Jan 24, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Tyler is more athletic than Drummond. I have no doubt in my mind that had Tyler gone to Conneticut he could put up equal or better numbers than Drummond. But he’s still a product until he shows polish.
I have no doubt in my mind that had Tyler gone to Conneticut he could put up equal or better numbers than Drummond.
At Drummond’s age? Why do you have no doubt? What has he done to show you he could?
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
using j-logic
he likes tyler better than drummond, so that means tyler is better.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Well, Drummond is two years younger than Tyler. Two years ago, Tyler was quitting an Israeli team he wasn’t getting PT on to head back home to San Diego, according to his Wikipedia. I’ve never argued that anything Drummond is doing is impressive, and I’ll definitely say it’s understandable for an 18 year old kid not to handle the situation Tyler found himself in well….but as of right now, Tyler has shown exactly 0 evidence of being anything as a basketball player to date. Zip. None. Nada. He could, right now, be even worse than Drummond is. There’s no evidence that suggests he isn’t. I’m not saying anything definite one way or another, but that’s kind of the point. You are, with nothing to back it up.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
My point is we have 2 projects in this convo, 1 is Drummond and the other Tyler. Tyler has and always will be more athletic than Drummond. At 18 I dont see how Tyler is not putting up Drummond numbers playing against college kids. He was the #1 player in the country and had as much hype if not more than Drummond as a junior. Had he gone to school for 1 year after all that hype in HS he woulda been a top 5 pick like Drummond. So you have your Drummond already on the roster. He wears #3.
Tyler hasn't done anything since HS
Drummond also is a great help defender, Tyler has never been projected as such or anything similar on defense. And he’s never show differently in his limited time
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Well, first, Drummond was the #1 player in the country. Second, we can’t be sure Tyler would have held on to that ranking. Anyone know if he stuck around for the summer prior to senior year to play on the AAU circuit?
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Thabeet was a foul prone stiff who got destroyed by guys like Blair in college with 0 skill
Drummond isn’t polished but shows semblance of a post game, definitely not stiff and holds his own every night in a guard oriented system.
RIP Al Davis
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twitter - @nateoak5
Well, how did Boston get good? They had one good homegrown player, traded a young promising player for a true superstar, and flipped a high draft pick for another good player. There is no single strategy you can point at and say “that will definitely work”. However, the more flexible you are, and the more options you open up for yourself, the better your chances of finding something that works. Having cap space, young talent and high draft picks are a great combination to give you that flexibility and lots of options.
by Missing Barry on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
wow and to think , had we ONLY amnestied Lee , we would have all 3 of those !
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
had we not traded for lee, we would have even more of those
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
by bigkino217 on Jan 24, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yes, that was a proper one up there! Paying several mil over the the going market for Lee
was such a bad move that in no way made us a more attractive destination for otther players
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
why do we need to have a franchise savior? Save 1 draft there hasn't been a draft where there's more than 1-2.
Why can’t we just get a really talented guy who can become at least a borderline all star or at the very least a very good quality starter?
And who can say whether these players will break out or not… No one expected Marshon Brooks to be where he is at and Memphis is kicking themselves for drafting Thabeet. Bargnani was called the second Dirk Nowitzki but at the same time no one expected Monta coming out of the second round to contribute as he has. You can never guarantee anyone in the draft: it’s too risky and too many things can happen. All you can do is make the best judgement call on who you think is most talented by doing your due diligence in scouting, watching tape, and studying people’s games beyond the stats.
And by the way… How can Aminu, a slashing SF who had maybe a max 15 ft range and an atheltically talented rebounder for his position compare to a post presence like anthony davis that is a major shot blocker and plays a totally different style not only just because they play different positions but also because he just in general has a different game?
People think that they can call a draft straight up and they’ll be right. That will never happen. No one could have expected Curry to have gotten a triple double, no one would have expected Monta to emerge as top 10 in PPG, no one would have expected Ty Lawson to suddenly become one of the more dominant PG, no one could have expected Marc Gasol to actually emerge as a good center (and make that Pau trade seem so much more even in hindsight), etc… But at the same time from what we know do you take the chance on a player who can be a bonafide all star, or do you take the older guy who’s shown his limits and will probably not grow much more: That second reasoning is the reason we picked Udoh over Monroe, Thompson over Leonard, Foyle over Bynum, etc…
any of those 7 could easily be our best player
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
You mean eventually, right?
Otherwise you’re just starting to make ridiculous, J-RIDAH-esque proclamations….just on the other end of the spectrum.
by Lacob's Ladder on Jan 24, 2012 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
eventually
but it probably wouldn’t take more than 1-2 years to be our best player (we’re not that good)
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Yeah right. I heard the same things about Evan Turner and Wes Johnson. Neither is better than Brandon Rush right now.
Yes, some prospects don’t work out, and some do. The very best we can do is try to figure out a probability a guys gnona work out, but even then, we can’t know for sure.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
I totally agree, thats why I say if you have a shot at a proven C for a draft pick you should take it. Not that we have a pick to offer, just hypothetically speaking. I just dont see that jaw dropper in this draft.
But when you say “proven C”, what do you mean, exactly? Are we talking Dwight Howard difference maker or just your average starting C out there. I’m not particularly interested in trading assets for your average starting C, because that C isn’t going to make a big difference to this team.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Bingo
We need a center, obviously.
But what we need most is a difference maker, at any position. A player with elite talent to improve the team. He can play any position as far as I’m concerned.
don't be sorry
since a) nobody’s listening to you and b) you’re totally wrong
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
by Evanz on Jan 24, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Dumbass you got my name in ya sig. Thats some chic sh_t.
by J-RIDAH on Jan 24, 2012 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So you're speaking for everyone now?
a) nobody’s listening to you
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by Brownie13 on Jan 25, 2012 12:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Quoted and sig'd
RIP Al Davis
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that is why we simply NEED to roll the dice in the draft
and when u win, you win BIG.. we have been losing for so long we are pretty much due…
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed. I’d call both below average.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
lol id call them average
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
starting
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Definitely below average for starters. For overall, I could call them average.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
eh id take hibbert over at least 15 of the other starting centers
mcgee might be a bit below avg.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
I don’t see why people think Hibbert is good? I’ll repeat what I said earlier about him, dude is slow and soft on D, doesn’t rebound like you’d expect, and shoots a lot but misses too many of those shots.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
it's not so much hibbert being good
it’s how bad some of the other centers are.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
I thought I had a pretty good list of 13-15 tier 1 C’s. Forgot some tier 2 guys like Haywood, Varajaeo Maxiell, etc. Hibbert could easily be like…the 25th, 30th best C in the league.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
not sure why you think he's so terrible
sure hes not very good, but to put him below someone like haywood is just silly
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Why is it silly? Seriously – make the case for him. I’m very interested to hear.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
i'll make a case
brendan haywood is awful
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
hibbert has been a plus RAPM player the past couple seasons
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
can you find a single stat that says hibbert is terrible?
i can’t
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
and you claim he's slow and soft on D
but he’s been a consistent positive on defense his whole career. we’re not talking about a guy who can’t defend.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Haywood has a positive 10 year RAPM…
Hibbert does seem to consistently have positive defensive numbers, so maybe I’m underestimating his D some. Then again, maybe it’s just random variation, so who knows.
can you find a single stat that says hibbert is terrible?
You mean besides his whole statline, right? ;)
Career 52% TS%, and besides this years SSS, it’s not exactly an upward trend that suggests career underestimates him. 5 fouls per 36 (this one does have a trend suggesting he’s better than that now), 2.6 TO’s per 36 (he’s turning it over more now than before). He just flat out doesn’t impress me.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Haywood has a positive 10 year RAPM…
would you not agree that he used to be better than he is right now?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
and i can guarantee that a lot of players that you named over hibbert do not have positive 10 year RAPMs
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
I would venture to say every single player I named over Hibbert does. I just put Hibbert in a tier with a bunch of other guys, no definitives on who’s better. I only put 13-15 guys in a tier above him – do you think a single one of those guys in my first tier is a negative? As for Haywood, he may actually be better now than before – understands D better, understands his role better….he’s rebounding above his career average, blocking shots at almost the same rate, shooting less (that’s a good thing)…his more recent RAPM’s don’t necessarily suggest he’s playing worse.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
surprisingly bynum is a negative
though he’s clearly better than he was early in his career
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
gortat and perkins are also negatives
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
so is okafor
and your tier 2 list only contains 2 players with positive 10 year RAPMs, hibbert and jermaine oneal.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Clearly my list needs more Chris Hunter.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
im just saying, i dont think hibbert is particularly great. but i wouldn’t argue with anyone that put him in the 12-15th best center range
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Well, just to be clear on my stance, he’s in the 15-30 range for me, and I definitely think it’s plausible for him to be on either extreme of that range.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
you haven't been watching much of Hibbert this year
He’s been reborn!
So you’re confident his stats aren’t small sample flukes?
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
i think it's plausible for a raw big man to improve between the ages of 24 and 25
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Very possible. Wouldn’t be surprising at all. Doesn’t guarantee the small sample statistical improvement is real, though.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
at what point does a small sample size become significant?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Evan Turner is actually doing quite well as a sophomore
He might turn out to be a star
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 24, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, I was starting to worry. I’d agree that while it’s possible, your comment that “any 7 could easily be our best player” is still pretty outlandish. It’s possible, but not probable. Especially if you’re going to include “any 7” of those players.
In any given draft (even the best ones!), there are players picked in the top7 that don’t work out.
by Lacob's Ladder on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously doubt it.
I’d put the over/under on the number of players from this draft being better than Curry at 2.5 and I’d seriously consider taking the under.
you're so biased it's hilarious
if a player puts up good college stats, and you like him, you say “look at his college stats”.
if a player puts up good college stats but you don’t like him, you say “it won’t translate to the next level”
if a player doesn’t put up good college stats, but you like him, you say “he’s going to improve”
if a player doesn’t put up good college stats, and you don’t like him, you say “he can’t even produce in college”
that’s literally your answer to every college prospect.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Jeremy Tyler didn't produce in Israel
yet you seemed to like him a lot
hmmm….
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
whats funnier is that he claims he hates projects because they never work out
but he fully expects tyler to be great
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Tyler WILL be great.. They just arent playing him because we dont want to lose our draft pick!
(I have woken this morn’ with a fresh new ample supply of homerism)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
knew it wouldn't stay out of you for long
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
haha. yup tyler is beastng so big in practice he is prob our best kept secret ever
and the management is more tank savvy than we all ever could realize.. ok wow, im fully dreaming now…
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I like Tyler as a second round pick because of his tools. If Tyler had went to a D-1 school and put up Drummond numbers he’d be a top 5 pick like Drummond will be. The only problem with that is you dont take a project that high in a draft unless the draft is terrible. So if this draft is as thick as you say it is, why is a project going top 5? Drummond should be a mid to late 1st round pick in a good draft if not a second round pick.
The draft if a long ways away. If Drummond ends up looking like a huge project, his stock will drop (unless one team falls in love, a la Memphis and Thabeet)
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I truly believe that if Uconn was playing him at the 4 more often this would be different
"I didn't hold up no middle fingers. My middle finger is crooked so it sticks out. Maybe that's what was showing." -Metta World Peace
by Butterknuckles on Jan 24, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
He's playing well
Rebounding, shooting well , blocking lots of shots etc
He’s in a system where guys like Lamb and Kemba get show cased , if he was at a UK type of school he puts of bigger numbers
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Winning the lottery
And turning the Davis hype into McGee of course ;)
Or in actuality, as much as I love Davis’ potential, a #1 pick in a strong draft is always a great asset, the type that could get a player MUCH better than mcgee if we weren’t convinced on Davis.
seriously
so many people are high on davis, that if you don’t want him, you could still trade the pick for great value.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
lacob and jackson
don’t think either of them will let us full on tank (which we should). at this point, id rather be done with the whole giving-up-our-first-pick-if-non-lottery fiasco
chris cohan: GREAT owner or GREATEST owner!?!?!!!
Just give up the damn pick so we dont have it lingering over us anymore and be happy that we lost our pick in a draft that has no superstar or center in it.
You know if we put off giving up the pick enough times, we eventually only have to give up a 2nd rounder…
by Missing Barry on Jan 23, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
Im aware. Im also aware that in order to do that we have to be terrible which we wont be, regardless of what it looks like now. Im tired of this pick hindering us trading a pick for a Center.
J-Ridah you seem to think that this team is 1 good center away from the playoffs
and by good you mean someone like McGee level. To be honest I don’t think giving up a first round pick for McGee is going to make us a playoff team… McGee while averaging a double double and good blocks is not worth a 1st round lottery pick in a weak draft. I’d take my chance that one of those players you listed will turn out better than McGee.
And whats the appeal of a 24 year old C with a relatively limited impact on a really bad Wizards team? If he’s as good as you say he is he should be leading his team, but instead he makes knuckle headed plays like shooting too many jump shots because he wanted a triple double after being blown out…
If the Warriors want to move forward and build a playoff team, you need TALENT. Just stockpile talent and more talent (need or not) and either keep it or move it for other players of need that are talented. However, trading talent (note how I’m not saying it’s guaranteed that they realize their full potential) in the form of a 1st round pick for talent in the form of McGee (same he’s talented but he hasn’t realized his full potential and has less time to do so) is a lateral move at best and a horrible move overall.
For example, your Monta for McGee Trade makes a ton of sense. You’re moving Monta who represents a declining talent for a growing talent. However if you trade a growing talent for a growing talent then that doesn’t do anything, especially when it is believed that at least one of those growing talents can be a great starter (NOT star but good starter ala James Harden starting) whereas McGee hasn’t proven that he can keep his head straight and commit to the work to become a good center and quality starter.
I know aswell as the front office, that you have to have a shot blocking presence behind these guards of ours. If Conley had to meet Mcgee when he blew by Steph he would take more jump shots. Im more inclined to move a future pick like our 2014 pick for Mcgee. Its so hard to get a C like Mcgee. I dont think the average fan understands how difficult it is. I’ll say it again, EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE 2012 NBA DRAFT CAN BE DUPLICATED IN THE 2013 DRAFT OR THE NEXT 1 OR THE 1 AFTER THAT. There is no unique player in this draft. No Lebron, No Rose, No Irving, No Dwight. All good role players that can be servicable starters in a year or 2. Dont believe the hype. I studied all the projected lottery guys, you’ll see their skill sets and athleticism duplicated in next years draft and many more to come. Mcgee’s dont grow on tree’s. You gotta pluck em when their ripe for the taking. With Washington in tank mode talent-wise I say tell Utah to take the pick wherever its at. Trade our 2014 pick along with Rush and a second rounder for Mcgee. See what we have and then make another move in July. If they dont bite on that then offer Monta for Mcgee.
I think you’re overrating McGee. Being able to block shots alone doesn’t make someone a good defensive player. If McGee is constantly late on rotations and/or out of position, he’s not gonna be forcing all those jumpshots a legit defensive C would…but he’s still so long and athletic he’s bound to get some blocked shots. In his time in the league, his team hasn’t really been better with him on the floor than off (last year they were, but it’s a one year sample and it was almost all from the offensive end)…which kinda suggests it’s not actually that hard to get a player like McGee.
By the way, seeing as how you don’t like Drummond because of his lack of college production…well, here’s McGee’s freshman year production:
3.3 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 10 mpg.
Improved that as a soph to:
14.1 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 27.3 mpg
That’s at Nevada, mind you.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
i told him that before
he just dismissed it. that’s why it’s pretty clear he’s just biased towards players that he likes.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
I know of his production in college. It dont matter. Give me Mcgee right now over any player your hoping to become as good as Mcgee 2 years from now. You dont pass on a young double double C in the league for a guy that maybe wont average a double double in college until his junior year.
Nah, the hope is that the guy becomes much better than McGee. You don’t win by building a team of JaVale McGee’s. You win by acquiring the best ~3 players you can. The thing with the young guys is they have a chance of becoming core players. JaVale McGee? Well, he has the physical tools, but he’s 24 now and in 4 seasons has done everything he can to make sure it’s obvious just how little basketball IQ he has…
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
McGee has great looking numbers
But is a complete fool , if he was as awesome has you say the Wizards play better . Not to mention if horrible defense outside of shot blocking
RIP Al Davis
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I’m not sure what the point you’re getting at is?
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
No doubt on the logic that the better he is, the more he will help his team win – logic I agree with completely. That doesn’t mean you still can’t play on a bad team and be a positive, though.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
kevin love's stats >> mcgee's stats
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Love put up historic numbers
McGee is not anywhere near that , and Washington is way worse then last years Wolves
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
Well, both rosters were/are pretty scary bad, on that we can all agree.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
wall, young, lewis, blatche, mcgee is a worse roster than flynn, wes, beasley, love, darko???
if that’s the case, it’s only because love >>> anyone on washington
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
wall, young, lewis, blatche
That is a pretty amazing amount of immaturity, bad decision making, shot bricking garbage right there. I like John Wall a lot still, but he doesn’t play winning basketball yet, and those other guys? Puke.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Ha, on the other hand, I’d say the same thing about those Wolves besides Love…only there isn’t a guy like Wall with potential that I like.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
sure it's a lot of immaturity
but the actual talent difference is pretty staggering (if you remove mcgee and love from the picture)
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Rashard Lewis is a good player?
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 24, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm? I think I included him in the puke group, no?
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
See that's where i disagree.
I think he’s a good player.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 24, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, really? The current version of Rashard Lewis?
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
I haven’t seen him play this year, so I actually can’t say.
Going off past knowledge.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 24, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
He used to be a useful enough player, if not nearly as good as his contract suggested. At 32, though, I think his career isn’t gonna last too much longer.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
Vince Carter is also supposedly still good according to RAPM
but I think it’s silly to talk about guys over a certain age
what’s the point unless you’re trying to win now?
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
i think gov is actually saying that lewis isnt bad
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
McGee has great looking numbers
McGee is shooting 51% TS.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Im tired of this pick hindering us trading a pick for a Center.
how does it do that exactly?
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Meh, Hibbert kinda sucks. He’s definitely not gonna change the direction of this franchise. Heck, you want a shot blocker…well, Biedirns is as good, maybe even better, than Hibbert at that area.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Hibbert kinda sucks?
What? Hibberts good.
The better question is, will he be as good as his next contract will likely be? I doubt that.
I seem to be the only 1 that believes the C is the most important position in the game. Nobody has a solution on how to acquire a good 1. Instead the thought of Davis 1 day developing post moves and polish are about as likely as it is Tyler will do the same. Im done tho, time will prove if im the only fool on the board about this, or the only 1 that knows what he’s talking about. Cant wait for the results.
Nobody has a solution on how to acquire a good 1.
No, many of us do. You just don’t want to listen.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
I seem to be the only 1 that believes the C is the most important position in the game.
What makes you think that? Just because I don’t see mediocre players like McGee or Hibbert making much of a difference for us does not mean I don’t value the position.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Without factoring in cost or age
1. Dwight
2. Pau
3. M. Gasol
4. Duncan
5. Chandler
6. Noah
7. Bynum (soley cause he is inconsistent and can’t stay on the floor. If we’talking potential and who I’d want I’d move him to 2)
8 . Hibbert (not sure why MB is done, his play has really improved with some dropped weight, like M.Gasol)
9. Monroe
10. Gortat
And yes I’d rather have Pau than any of the defensive centers. I can find 10 different versions of a defensive PF, who can be signed for under 5 mil (like Udonis Haslem or Taj Gibson) to play next to Pau, it’s not so easy to find a post player like Pau, who can defensively alter shots inside on defense too… even if he isn’t a big athletic monster like DeAndre.
And yes JRidah, I’d rather have Pau and Udoh than Lee and McGee or Lee and DeAndre.
As for my sleeper backup centers who are better than Biedrins and probably potentially McGee, give me Asik and Mozkov
brook isn't very good
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
forgot horford
oops
I’ll revise this, I’m sure…
I really don't like Brook
If my center is getting 6 rebounds a game and playing no D, he better score like Dirk
seems like a fair list to me
i’d probably add horford at around #3 and nene right before noah (assuming they count). also not factoring in age, i’d bump gortat past monroe and hibbert.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
I feel like a lot of Gortat's production is the Nash effect
Big increase in volume, slight increase in efficiency.
i just think monroe is too big of a liability on defense at the moment
and hibbert seems like he doesn’t even shoot as efficiently as the pre-nash gortat.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
it's all just nitpicking though
they’re all still better than mcgee regardless
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Yeah Hibberts been poor prior to this year.
However his efficiency isn’t bad this year, on good volume and his rebounding is up. As is his defense. 98 defensive rating. Positive defensive impact.
It’s intriguing, because he does have a nice offensive skilset
Sample size. That’s why I don’t like Hibbert, because I put very little stock in this years numbers. If they end up being real, then yes, I will have a more favorable view of him.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
No doubt, but he’s always been a good finisher who plays very good D and rebounds. Why is someone like Noah any better than Gortat?
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Pau is not a center...
so much not a center, that he’s never been the starting center for any team that he’s ever played on.
Lorenezen Wright, Strom Swift (6’9"), Darko Milicic, Andrew Bynum
He’s not strong enough, night in and night out, to go up against bigger players, even if they aren’t real dangerous offensive threats. It’s just more wear and tear.
He can play minutes at center, as can a lot of power forwards, but he is definitely a forward, and at best, a forward-center.
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Nah, Pau can definitely play C, more so than pretty much every PF besides Duncan. Who do you think is their primary C for all those games Bynum misses, and anytime Bynum isn’t on the court when he is playing? And if you think Stromile Swift is proof Pau isn’t a C, I dunno what to tell you. Swift was much less of a C than Pau.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, I know Swift was
but then why is that he was the guy guarding the centers night-in and night-out?
And I’m not saying that Pau can’t play center. But there is a distinction between being able to play the position and having it BE your position. Josh Smith is a PF, or sometimes even referred to as a SF, but I’d rather have him at center than…a lot of centers in this league actually. Same goes for a lot of PFs, even slightly undersized ones like Josh. However, not only would those players lose some of their effectiveness by switching positions, but also in the case of centers and power forwards, the wear and tear often increases with a switch. The type of players you go up against in the NBA at center are much more brutish than skilled. Not to say they aren’t skilled, but in comparison to PFs, the difference is pretty large. That’s not something I’d like to see work on Pau for 82 games in a season. By the end of the year, he’d be extremely worn down, as would a lot of power forwards making the switch. So yes, for one game, or a few games, or a stretch of games, I’d take Pau as my center, or in regular time as a backup center (starting power forward still), but from experience, I see much of his value is often lost, even if not immediately, but down the road.
He doesn’t belong on a list of the league’s best centers, because he is best as a PF.
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In some cases, like Josh Smith, I would completely agree. Pau and Duncan are, in my eyes, the two best examples of guys that it just doesn’t matter what position you call them. Their profile fits either position. Noah gets called a C, even though he profiles more as a PF – same with Horford, but those are guys I’ve seen handle the C position well enough it just doesn’t matter. They meet the requirements of a C. They also meet the requirements of a PF. In that case, I just don’t think it’s particularly important what position you call them. Rather than worry about which one they might be slightly better at, worry about getting your best players on the floor and making sure your players complement each other, and whatever position they technically end up at doesn’t matter. If you have David Robinson, then Timmy is a PF. If you have Antonio McDyess, then he’s a C…whatever.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I guess I'm looking at it as an abstract
The best possible usage for a guy like Pau is at PF. If I’m building a team, that’s where I want him. So I wouldn’t rank him as a center. I’d much rather have him as a PF, and get somebody I DO WANT at center. Perhaps, though, our view of Pau is also different. And as for Duncan, anybody who doesn’t want to be a center (him and Nene), I don’t want them at center, and am certainly not going to rank them as one, even if they’d actually be better than their counterparts/competitors.
The thing to me is, they actually had McDyess guard the centers a lot of the time, as they do with Blair and/or Splitter. I think it’s an interesting concept. What would be the effect of guarding a bigger and stronger player all season long for a guy like Pau? For Duncan. I’ve seen enough of Pau on big guys over long stretches that I wouldn’t want it on a team I’m building. Duncan I’m not as sure, but he’s a bigger-bodied guy than Pau, so there’s probably a difference in how they would react to that.
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So I wouldn’t rank him as a center. I’d much rather have him as a PF, and get somebody I DO WANT at center.
See for me, I’d look at my options and take the best player I could get to pair with them. I think C’s are generally harder to get a hold of, so that player very well could be a PF. On the other hand, if a C is the best option, then I’ll grab him. Sometimes it may be that I get another guy who profiles somewhat to both positions – a Noah, or Amare, or Nene…in which case defensive assignments would be based on matchup, and I’d look to switch screens more often. I’m very into flexibility.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Another thing to keep in mind – while yes, guarding a C generally means someone bigger/strong, a lot of C’s are less active in the offense, and you can sag off them a lot of the time. A guy like Carlos Boozer is gonna bring more physicality than a guy like Tyson Chandler just because of how much more often you have to worry about him establishing position, you know?
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Gasol vs Boozer isn’t a nightmare, though. He’s so much longer that even in giving up position, he can hold a defensive advantage.
When Tyson does get in the post, and it’s not like he doesn’t. He’s a bigger, stronger (upper body at least), more physical imposing matchup. And it’s not just defending them, you are defended BY them as well. And then there’s box outs, etc. It goes on and on. If you play center you just end up with more physical contact with a center.
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Flexibility is good.
But I wouldn’t feel safe in my championship aspirations even with a front court of the best PF in the league and Pau at C. Very few PFs would make me comfortable of that, regardless of a star you might have in your back-court (assuming at least 1 if you’re a championship contender). Even with Dirk, I don’t feel real safe. Not much physical toughness. Same goes for Amare, and most other players in this league. Now, if you put any of the guys I had on my list next to him, I feel much more comfortable, even if they are lesser players than the two I just mentioned.
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Then clearly we disagree entirely. I’m not too worried about the physical play, and I’m not even slightly uncomfortable having a really good PF with Pau.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
I'm starting to side with MB's definition of bigs more and more these days
He’s a big, a skilled big with length, and one you want to pair with a better defensive player.
He’s got the length to protect the rim and frustrate, gets a reasonable amount of blocks.
I think he’s a center by definition, but clearly you’d want to pair with with a defensive minded PF if you start him at center (like Nene needs for ex.)
Obviously next to DLee we’d have major defensive issues. Though offensively it’d be fun to watch.
well, yeah
for Pau, we’d just figure out a way to make it work
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Let me just pose a question then, to clarify
Marc and Dirk
or
Pau and Dirk
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either one = winning
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Point of the list of ranking
is to show which is better
Pau rests ahead of Marc on the list, and is a much better player, but I hands down take Dirk and Marc over Pau and Dirk.
I ask because I want to know which is better to him.
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Pau is not a center…so much not a center, that he’s never been the starting center for any team that he’s ever played on.
he has started at center in every game that bynum has missed the past couple years (which is a lot)
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
doesn't make him a starting center
see, cuz when you replace someone who’s injured…you’re the replacement…not the starter
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In a rough order:
Howard
Gasol
Bynum
Duncan
Nene
Bogut
Noah
Chandler
Asik
Horford
Gortat
Perkins
Gasol
Maybe Okafor?
Maybe Camby?
Then after that a big group including the likes of:
Biedrins
Kwame
Dalembert
McGee
Monroe
Blair
Hibbert
Jordan
Hawes
Kaman
Okur
O’Neal
Anthony
So….yeah
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Dwight Howard
Andrew Bynum
Tyson Chandler
Marc Gasol
Kendrick Perkins
Joakim Noah
Roy Hibbert
Andrew Bogut
Nene Hilario
Emeka Okafor
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Why does everyone think Hibbert is so good?
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
because he's really tall?
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
He's a skilled center
and he’s good defensively. Also, the rest of the centers in the NBA have been pretty terrible recently. There are things that he has done pretty terrible in the first few years of his career, as he was developing skills, like shot selection. He shot far too many jumpers in the past, but in doing so, has built an offensive game that includes a jumper. He took far too many difficult hook shots in the past, but in doing so, has built that into his game as well. Now that he has cut a lot of that out, it has shown to just have improved his game. I expected it to happen eventually. He’s not a particularly good individual rebounder (though his numbers are very good this year), but he’s always been good at boxing out on the defensive end, and at tapping the ball back out on the offensive end.
Also, notice that he is only so high because Pau, Duncan, and Horford are not on the list, and Nene (at 9) is there only because he played the position last year. I should have also left him off the list, but I couldn’t think of anyone else I wanted to put in a top 10 list.
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Better than Nene? Oh boy.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 25, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
You're an idiot.
I already clearly identified why Nene is 9, and why if I were to redo it he wouldn’t be there at all.
But of course, you just needlessly comment on the list offering absolutely nothing to the conversation/discussion.
SUGGESTION:READ
or better yet, look at their starting lineup, where Nene is a PF because Mozgov is the Nuggets starting center. Why is that? Because Nene demanded to be played at PF…
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I'm an idiot?
Thanks.
On to your list, it is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous than Stephen Jackson being better than Steph Curry.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 26, 2012 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
You're still going on about the same thing.
When I have already explained Nene (and others who did not even appear on the list) being so low.
Does that answer your question?
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Nene is a very good player overall. He plays most of the center minutes for his team, scores extremely efficiently, impacts his team’s rebounding tremendously, and plays solid man to man and help side defense. He draws a lot of attention and can essentially play with any combination of big men or smalls, off-ball or on, unlike someone like Amar’e (who i’m sure you think is better than Nene).
And Tyson Chandler? The guy who can’t create any offense for himself and really is an overrated defender (good player still)? Look at how he’s made New York a title contender!
Roy Hibbert? Someone who’s been a complete scrub up until this year (and by no means is this a great year) is better than Nene? Soft defense, rebounding, and very mediocre scoring.
Joakim Noah? Seriously?
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
He plays most of the center minutes for his team
Not true. Even if you consider Koufus(would make for 44 of the teams’ center minutes) to be playing PF in most of his minutes, Andersen and Mozgov combine for over 31 minutes a game. Last time I checked, 17 of 48 is not most.
someone like Amar’e (who i’m sure you think is better than Nene)
Amare shouldn’t be part of this conversation. He’s always been a power forward. Even more so as time progresses. Besides, his season can’t be compared to hardly anyone. He sucks right now.
That helps lead me to my next point.
Look at how he’s made New York a title contender!
Yeah, let’s blame Tyson, who is clearly the only player actually pulling his weight for that team. We’ve already touched on Amare’s terribleness. Let’s not forget their guards are Fields, Shumpert, and Douglas. Absolutely no play-making there at all. And Melo, clearly suffering in the role of leader and key-playmaker. But yeah, it’s fair to say Tyson, who is continuing to play the best basketball of his career, is to blame. Okay.
Anyways, you again failed to READ. This is not a list of the players who would make the best centers. It’s a list of the league’s best actual centers. If you had read my response to MB right above, maybe you’d have figured out that Nene was so low because of how little he plays center and how he refuses to actually do so. He’s now a PF. That’s the position he plays, and the position he claims. So that’s what I’ll rank him as in the future. At the time, I couldn’t think of anyone else I would possibly want in a top 10 center list, and I decided to throw him in there for what he’s done in the past. As I said above, if I were to redo the list, he wouldn’t be there at all.
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What makes you think Hibbert is any good?
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
master talent evaluator
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
You mean how he’s soft and slow on D, rebounds at a very unimpressive rate for his size, and seems to shoot a lot but doesn’t make that many of them?
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
He would do for this team what Biedrins and Kwame (pre-injury) do.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Well, sometimes at least. When he’s in position. Protecting the rim isn’t all about putting up shot blocking numbers. Been a while since Garnett’s been a real shot blocker, and he’s one of the very best help defenders in basketball. Fundamentals are important – consistently being in the right position is more important than blocking 3 shots a game. That’s McGee’s biggest weakness, his basketball IQ and fundamentals are terrible.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
how does it do that exactly?
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Hibbert had emotional problem
He went to a doctor, he was mad at himself
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I have to agree with J-Ridah on this one. I rather have the Warriors lose the draft pick instead of keeping it and drafting someone who might not pend out in the NBA. I’m not saying any of the projected top 7 won’t make it in the NBA but the ability to not trade any picks this year or next year is what is cuffing the Warriors for making any significant trade.
by mrorangesoda on Jan 24, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
How will we make a significant trade?
You have to have pieces people want? Teams who trade superstars or even all-stars tend to want young, cheap, potential. We have very little of it.
charlotte was rebuilding
and portland has a much better core than we do. they’re trying to win right now. our team isn’t good enough to win right now even if we picked up a player like gerald wallace.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
You get better by adding allstars or borderline allstars. Not by adding unproven rookies that arent dominant at the NCAA level.
Mm then I guess SA didn't get better with Leonard
Utah didn’t get better with Burks nor Kanter, Miami didn’t get better with Norris Cole, Nets didn’t get better with Marshon Brooks, Clippers didn’t get better with Bledsoe (had to include this one even though not in this past draft), etc… And thats just this past draft.
All rookies are unproven, and most rookies aren’t domimant at the NCAA level because only a few can be dominant at best… However you can also have issues with dominant NCAA players who’s skillset doesn’t translate well to the NBA.
All the rookies you named had games that easily translated to the next level. Besides Barnes I cant say the same for anybody in the top 5 of this draft.
Well, at this point last year, wouldn’t you have said the same about Barnes? He only started coming on at the end of the season. Always take players age into account…
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
At this point last year Barnes was looking good. Just playing too wild. If everybody sees something and you dont you dont convince yourself that you see it too. You tell everybody else they may be seeing a mirage. Thats how I am with the 2012 draft.
This was actually right before Barnes really broke out last year. Jan 29/Feb 1 was pretty clearly the breakout point for him. At this point in the season, I distinctly remember the talk being about how he disappears from games and isn’t making the impact people thought.
If everybody sees something and you dont you dont convince yourself that you see it too. You tell everybody else they may be seeing a mirage.
Well, sure, but you also have to consider the possibility you’re missing something. Like…have you really given enough thought to the age variable here and are properly taking it into account? If you’re convinced you’ve been over everything, then sure.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Im willing to capitulate my stance on this draft if somebody can prove to me that most of the lottery guys arent projects. Honestly MB can you show me the disparity in terms of talent between the 2011 draft and the 12 draft? Kanter is the same kind of project Drummond is, Biyombo is the same kind of project Davis is, Valaciunas is the proven commodity like Sullinger is. Barnes is the sure shot like Irving was. Walker is the scorer that Lamb is. This draft has no unique talent in it. Convince me otherwise to make me believe this draft is deep as they say it is.
I haven’t watched any college basketball outside of Cal this year. I’ll start thinking more about the draft once the college season ends.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
(Which also gives the young guys a chance to step up at the end of the season and show they’re better than you might think, similar to what Barnes did last year)
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
the '11 draft was weak as hell?
the ‘12 draft is not. there’s a difference right there
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
What made the 11 draft weak? Go up and down the top 10 and compare it to the projected top 10 in the 12 draft. Vessley is as much of a project as Perry Jones is. I can go on and on.
so who compares with davis?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
rofl are you kidding me
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
You have me tearing up.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 24, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
I just checked out Davis’ stats. I’m not seeing why you don’t like him. Dude is beasting the boards and blocking shots all over the place. I’m pretty impressed by how good he is at those things. Scoring extremely efficiently. What about him don’t you like?
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
he thinks that anthony davis is just the second coming of jarvis varnado
and that none of his stats will translate to the nba
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
The only knock on Davis is that he can’t create much offense for himself right now.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 24, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
I do see alot of Varnado in him. I dont think his game will translate against pro’s. I dont see him filling out his frame enough to compete as a starter at the next level. You talk about blocks and rebounds, if im correct isn’t that Biyombo’s calling card? He’s supposed to be the next defensive phenom. Davis has no post game, no offensive polish.
so all people that rebound and block shots play the same?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
obviously scouts don't see varnado in davis
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Biyombo is a extremely physical and powerful center
Davis is a skinny skilled PF
Both great defenders
And Biyombo for someone who came over late without any practice has done pretty decent, especially on defense
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
Same skill set and rawness is my point. What makes anybody think Davis has more upside than Biyombo? Would Biyombo be a top 3 pick had he gone to Kentucky and entered this draft? Kanter was and didn’t show anything at the college level.
Well, at least with Davis we know his age for certain. Also, based on the stats (since I haven’t seen him play), he appears to have more offense than Biyombo – Biyombo is like Ben Wallace on offense, from my understanding.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Perry Jones got skill. He just doesn’t seem to have much drive/desire.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Really? My impression is the dude’s all athleticism, no skill? Haven’t seen him play in the NBA yet.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Vesely is very raw in Washington.
He’s been hurt but is starting to get some minutes. He’s long as hell and really athletic. Not sure where he plays yet, and his defense isn’t very good so far.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Then who knows, maybe you’re right. We shall see. I’m sure we’ll get more in depth on this topic later on after the college season when we know more.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
I haven’t watched any college basketball outside of Cal this year. I’ll start thinking more about the draft once the college season ends.
that’s the smart approach. Once we know our draft position it’s easy to go thru the film and find the best pick, watching college ball is a big time eater with little gain per unit of noise consumed.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 24, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
. If everybody sees something and you dont you dont convince yourself that you see it too.
best to get your eyes checked first.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 24, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Besides Barnes I cant say the same for anybody in the top 5 of this draft.
Lamb? Beal?
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
also who wants to come to the Warriors
You already said we are an unattractive place to free agents and we’d be forced to overpay… So I guess 1st round and monta is an overpay then to try and get a mediocre center?
still, don't you agree with this?
but the ability to not trade any picks this year or next year is what is cuffing the Warriors for making any significant trade.
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because I think the move this team needs to make is going to look something like this:
GSW gives: Monta/Steph, a bunch of dudes, draft pick(s)
GSW gets: more talent than what we got now
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
those are the types of trades you make when that better talent will help you contend
not when you are rebuilding.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
if youre a playoff team and a trade will make you a contender, then it's worth it
when you have a below average team that doesn’t have enough talent to make the playoffs, a trade like that is going to get you what, the 7 or 8 seed? and suddenly you’re not contending but you also don’t have draft picks because you traded them away, so how do you get better at that point?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
well, look man
I am just trying to be realistic here.
No way can I imagine the FO going into a full rebuild mode (jettison all long-term contracts, stockpile youth and picks)
SO, with that in mind, yeah, I think a trade is the only way we can compromise what we all want with what it seems the FO is willing to do
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 24, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
which is the reason i can't see us contending anytime soon
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
by bigkino217 on Jan 24, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly that’s why I rather lose the pick right now so we can have trade bait. This draft class is deep with power forwards which is a position we already invested big money on. I don’t see this team contending soon even with a top 7 guy. But imagine what a package of Monta/Ekpe/ and a first round can get you.
by mrorangesoda on Jan 24, 2012 5:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
imagine what a package of Monta/Ekpe/ and a first round can get you.
I’m picturing it, and I’m not coming up with anything meaningful. And your argument is that we need to get rid of the 1st rounder we might get this year, and not be able to draft someone, so we can trade a future 1st rounder? A top 7 pick this year is worth more than a vague “future 1st round pick”, especially if a team is giving us something good (meaning the future 1st won’t be high enough to be of value).
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
1st round picks are always of high value. Put your gm hat for a second. If I Larry Riley called you and said I’ll trade you Monta and Ekpe for Eric Gordon would you even consider my trade? Of course not, but what if I came around and said Monta, Ekpe and a 1st round pick of course you’ll have to think about it.
I’m also in no way shape or form implying we trade for Eric Gordon.
by mrorangesoda on Jan 24, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Header
1st round picks are always of high value.
No, they aren’t. It really, really depends on how high the pick is. Here’s me putting on my GM hat for a second:
It also largely depends on the quality of the draft. The #5 pick in Lebron’s draft is worth more than any pick in the 2006 draft. There’s enough variability year to year that it matters. And, of course, expected record of the team you trade with matters – if it’s not going to be a lottery pick, you have no chance of moving up and greatly increasing the value of the pick. If it’s late lottery, you might as well assume you’re staying put.
(By the way, yes, I would take Eric Gordon even without the first rounder without thinking twice)
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
This is exactly the point. You have to be in a position to capitalize on these things. Like I said before, the 3 things you want are cap flexibility, young, cheap talent, and draft picks. That way you keep all options open and can take advantage of whatever situation arises, rather than counting on one plan.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
I rather have the Warriors lose the draft pick instead of keeping it and drafting someone who might not pend out in the NBA
I don’t see how this is a better option. If we don’t draft a guy, there’s 0% chance he pans out for us. If we do draft him, the % is higher than 0…
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Even if the Warriors end up with the 7th worst record by the end of the season
I bet someone will leapfrog in the lottery and the Warriors end up 8th. Just because the basketball gods hate this team so.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:53 AM PST up reply actions
Most likely the BB Gods would have it be...
Utah as the team that jumps us and not only gets a top 3 pick but our pick at #8 as well.
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
That’s actually a somewhat likely scenario, just by the odds.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
we have been shafted SO MANY TIMES and for so long , we are way overdue for a bit of luck in the draft
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Nah, we haven’t been that unlucky, we’re just idiots that never put ourselves in a position to get high picks.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
we’re just idiots that never put ourselves in a position to get high picks.
We’re idiots in talent evaluation.
We might not be in a position to get Lebron, Howard, Durant, but we’ve missed on our fair share of picks, which weren’t hard to decide. Adonal over TMac? Ike over Bynum/Granger? Dunleavey over Amare or Nene?
not true
I mean, we may miss a bit more than we hit, but we have salvaged some pretty decent talent over the years (they just usually all leave for one reason or another..mostly lack of nightclubs)
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 24, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, I’d say it’s fair to criticize our talent evaluation, but those specific examples reak of a lot of hindsight bias to me. Grabbing Monta in the 2nd round makes up for a lot, too.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Rightq
But holding onto Monta, over-utilizing him, and thinking he’s more than he is again is a point in the negative.
And this comes from a guy who likes Monta. I’m just tired of seeing him embarrass himself. He’s definitely a good player, and on a different team, in a different role, he’ll show it.
If Monta is the best player on your team, you may be in trouble down the stretch. This team needs a borderline allstar at the 3 spot. Somebody like Granger or Gay. Easier said than done.
i'd settle for KD
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Give me the next Timmy D!!!!
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Oooh, I got excited, thought we were talking about draft picks. lol
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
lol
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
I really feel you want us to be mediocre.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 24, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
the problem is that he wants us to be good, but the things that he suggests would lead to mediocrity
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
ah, the age old question
If Monta is the best player on your team, you may be in trouble down the stretch.
I just don’t see how we change this without sacrificing either Steph or Monta
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
or tanking
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
and drafting someone better
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
yeah, step 2 in this process is what makes me nervous
this team is already hard enough to watch, imagine if we had to watch Klay and Tyler play 35 minutes a night.
Now, I don’t mind going through the process, but I would rather have a new GM first
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Good luck trading any of those guys for a upgrade at their position. Better luck tryna move 1 for a post player.
I'm cool with that
I feel like wings are the easiest to replace…I was in the group that thought we could replace Monta with Reggie and not suffer too much.
But I’m curious why you think we could get a good center (a position that is relatively thin across the NBA right now) easier than another wing (dime a dozen)
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Curry could
We passed on CP3.
Curry plays for a few weeks without injury, those ankle concerns go away. He’s still a good player, who’s young, who’s not making a lot, who is extremely marketable. Teams jump that.
I mean, we could easily trade Curry for a better player (position regardless) and find a less scoring talented PG, but one who is a better passer/better command of a team. Beyond Deron, free agents in 2012- Felton, Mo Williams, DJ Augstin, Andre Miller, Chauncey. Last 2 are short gaps but would probably play well with Monta.
Only if we could get something worthwhile for Curry
If Monta is the best player on your team, you may be in trouble down the stretch
I think we’re in trouble in general, because he’s proven when he is ‘overutilized’ he is inconsistent scorer. By that of course I mean, he shoots us out of a lot of games. And unlike guys like Durant or Wade, when his shots not going he doesn’t find a way to get easy buckets.
I think Monta showed in 07-08, if he’s your #2 option or #3 (really hard to define a first option on that team, but if I did it’d be Baron was clearly ‘the man’ and Monta played off him) he can be deadly, because their are few people who can guard him 1 v. 1.
So that begs the Q, who is #1? Curry and Lee are too passive. When Curry asserts himself and plays like a lead dog, Monta tends to play much much better, gets easier looks and a lot of 1 v. 1 situations which few defenders can stop him.
That’s kinda why I used an example of Terry. He’s a good player, but prior to Dirk, when he was the guy in Atlanta, didn’t do too much and shot poorly. But, all the attention in Dallas tends to go to Dirk, and Terry gets a lot of easier looks because of defenses emphasis.
And yeah, we could try to share ball more and go a different route, like Denver. But problem is Denver has always had much better PG play than we get from Curry and spread ball better. Too often our offense stalls, and Monta tends to be only guy capable of getting a shot up on his own.
Basically, I want Curry to become a much more ball-dominating player and set the team up, that’ll go a long way. But getting a legit first option will too
This team needs a borderline allstar at the 3 spot.
This team needs someone to step up over Monta, period.
not putting ourselves in position is totally true and idiotic but with the lottery process i believe the numbers would suggest bad luck
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
They do. I’ve looked at it before. However, it’s really not that much worse than expected.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
(The thing with the lottery is you move down most times, but only 1-2 spots, and then when you finally hit, you move up a lot. We just haven’t hit yet, but it’s really not that we’ve gotten that unlucky. It’s something like we should have had a 60% chance of hitting by now or so – estimating that off a very vague memory.)
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
We haven't been shafted
We have been poorly managed. You realize in the Cohan Era we have passed on Kobe, Nash, Peirce, Dirk, amare, Nene, Bynum, Granger with in 5 picks.
That’s off the top of my head, major gafs.
by tafkasam on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Garnett
And I think Roy
RIP Al Davis
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oh SHIT.. ya ok i see ur point. but i still think we have had worse luck in which pick we get through the lotto process
maybe im wrong without seeing how everyother team has moved up or down…
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
It does feel like we always move down
But either way we’d screw up our pick somehow
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the thing that worries me most is the useless wins at the end of season when the other team has pulled back
and we roll over them with a chip on our shoulders and alot of chest thumping.
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
It is not a chip on our shoulders or chest thumping. It is our less than mediocre starters playing hard out of fear of getting replaced by the next rookie.
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by KillaContract on Jan 24, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
well, good point. We cannot expect our players to perform the tank operation. It needs to come from the top down
Lacob tells Jackson the tank is on… Jackson plays rookies heavy minutes and draws up bad plays and makes ill timed substitutions.. (so far jackson isnt doing to bad haha now he only needs to give tyler some minutes)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
The problem with your plan is that playing rookies heavy minutes will likely result in more wins. Our starters really suck when over-used/miss-used.
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by KillaContract on Jan 24, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
whatever, might as well get our pick this year.
unless a blockbuster trade happening, i don’t see us winning all that much anymore.
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Warriors are going nowhere.
If your a team that has trouble signing free agents, the draft picks are a real need, not just a want. If there is a chance we can keep our draft pick this year, the Warriors owe it to themselves to try and get it done.
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by Critical Roach on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 AM PST reply actions
This team has a BIG problem
Jackson is trying to make his playoff prediction come true, but at the expense of developing the young players.
Klay, even when shooting well gets 13/14 minutes. Udoh gets maybe 20. Tyler, if lucky gets 1 minute…and Jenkins is now getting DNPCD.
With Kwame hurt, Curry one step away from another ankle turn, Biedrins only able to clock 20 minutes a game – it’s clear this team has NO chance at competing for the 8th seed. I’m not recommending a tank, but I AM recommending working the youth into the line up more.
Klay should be getting 25 mpg between the 2 and 3
Jenkins should be getting 15 mpg
Udoh 25 mpg
Tyler 12 mpg
it’s possible this team could play better THIS YEAR giving them a chance to learn and contribute.
Or W’s could lose a lot and keep their draft pick.
by joegiant on Jan 24, 2012 11:40 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree.
The coach needs to focus on playing better and not desperately grasping at wins. I would start by benching Monta and Curry after their second turn over per half. Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY that was promised?
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by KillaContract on Jan 24, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
he mentioned accountability for defense, not turnovers
even though i agree that they make two many turnovers
I totally agree here! Specially the minute allocation to the rookies. Its like looking at it from the long run perspective..
lump the next 3 seasons together and know u will be a losing team the whole time, what is the best way to get out of it? hint; ur current starters are NOT the answer
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
7th isn't good(bad?) enough
Gotta get a top 3 pick for the tank to be worth it. Only Drummond, Davis, Barnes will help us be a noticeably better team. Though Lamb, Robinson, Sullinger, Gilchrist and Jones III aren’t too shabby either.
GSW '12 CHAMPS!
there is no way we tank THAT good.. i think we need a bit of lottto luck for once
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
When's the last time we've moved up a spot in the draft?
All I remember is us getting screwed over.
GSW '12 CHAMPS!
and to answer the question, i have no idea! but if im guessing right based on what i DID seee once
we moved up only once in the 90s and every other time we have stayed the same or moved down. its like flipping a penny ten times in a row and never getting heads
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
honestly the worse record you have, the easier it is to get pushed down
and the better record you have, the lower chance you have of moving up. the 13th and 14th lottery positions are the only positions where it is more likely to move up than be pushed down.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
and in those cases
96% of the time the 13th positon will get the 13th pick, and 98.2% of the time the 14th position will get the 14th pick
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
but looking at the warriors past lottery action, you gotta admit that we are due to move up.
(even tho the odds of doing so are as exactly as good as any other year)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
wtf?!??!
I’m going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt here and say you know that this statement makes absolutely no sense…right?
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 24, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
well its like flippng a coin 10 times and having it land on tails each time. it is due to land on heads even tho its still a 50/50 chance
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
it's due to *eventually* land on heads
but each flip is independent
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
I guess I get what he's saying
he is talking about “odds” not “chance”
the chance at every flip is 50-50, but as you go along getting a string of one thing, the chance that a subsequent flip will be different increases
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
the chance that a subsequent flip will be different increases
Well, no. That’s actually not true. If it’s a fair coin, the chance that each flip comes up heads is always 50/50.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Yeah, but the cumulative probability of flipping one heads goes up with each additional flip.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
thank you
c’mon Evanz…fundamental stats stuff man, odds versus chances
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
on any one flip the probability is the same (50/50)
The probability of flipping one head, however, increases with an increasing number of flips.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
yes
but that’s not what he said
just trying to be precise
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
It actually makes perfect sense.
You can’t look at it as an isolated probability, because it is the probability of a series.
What are the chances that you flip a coin and get heads? 50%
What are the chances you flip a coin and get heads 3 times in a row? .5 × .5 × .5 = 12.5%
What are the odds that the Warriors move down every single year? Well after a while the odds of a series will have an effect.
Except the odds of moving down where the Warriors tend to pick are much higher than the odds of moving up. The 7th pick in the draft has about a 15% chance of moving up. It has about a 25% chance of moving down. The 5th pick has about a 30% chance of moving up. About a 45% chance of moving down. Check out the odds:
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
BTW, i'm looking into University of Richmond. It's a nice school.
I have a few questions however.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 24, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Just set up a new email account! MissingBarryGSoM at gmail dotcom, feel free to send me an email and I’ll answer whatever ya got.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just to answer my questions? Thanks so much.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 24, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah no problem. Had to do it that way – got my name in my normal email accounts. Can’t go sharing that on the interwebz!
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Justin Harper bro.
Get with the program.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 24, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
Just more or less wrote you a dissertation on the University of Richmond. When I looked at how long it was after I finished, I was very surprised/impressed with myself…
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
classy move, MB!!
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Also you can't use that kind of statistic on a per year basis
Because the results of the past year do not affect the results of the present nor future years. Every year is linearly independent from one another. Over a time span yes that math is correct (getting 3 heads in a row is a low chance) but each coin flip is not affected by the previous coinflip and does not affect the future coinflip. As a result in the context of one year (which is what most people care about) it’s not that unlikely that we move down, but yes in the context of a decade if we were to move down many times that is statistically odd.
No, it’s not. Moving up and down aren’t 50/50 odds – you’re much more likely to move down than up.
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
(But when you move up, you can go up by a bunch of spots rather than just 1 or 2)
by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
well , maybe to solve this it would help to see every teams track record in the lotto process and then compare how bad or good we are doing
but i dont think anyone would categorize us as good or lucky in the lotto. seems as tho we are continually shafted
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 24, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
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