New Joe Lacob Q&A with Kawakami
Talks about the future of the backcourt and using the amnesty on Bell. Aswell as possibility of blowing up the roster.
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ok, at least, he says he will admit when the jig is up
-LACOB: Well, as of today, you have a better argument position than I do. We’re 5-11. We can’t hide from that.
We have not closed games. We have not performed to the expectations we as an ownership group and management have for this team.
Can’t hide from that. You want to print that, print that. We’ll take our blows and we’ll just move on here, see if we can’t rectify the situation and prove we were right. If not, we’ll admit we’re wrong and move on.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Evanz
I just want you to know that I have built a shrine where I make daily offerings in the hope that you will become the Warriors version of Peter Brand
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
hopefully, not in terms of looks
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
hahaha, well, you know, once you have a desk job, everything starts to go downhill
also, while my nose is here
your logo is way cooler than our new one (I really was hoping that it was for GSoM when I first saw it)
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
ok, at least, he says he will admit when the jig is up
makes me wonder if he even watched warrior’s games before buying the team? Everyone has known the team is fundamentally flawed since the we believe era so why wasn’t he ready to pull the trigger on day 1 ?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 25, 2012 2:38 PM PST reply actions
Or at least bring back Chris Hunter
Man, I don’t care nothing about no Mike Montgomery.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 25, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Warriors had chance this year
If we got CP3, it will be a different story this year. Instead we turned it down because we don’t want a superstar, we want keep our potential superstar. Go figure…
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 25, 2012 2:41 PM PST reply actions
nah
I think you can tell from Lacob’s comments that the sticking point was CP3’s unwillingness to sign an extension here, here’s the excerpt:
All I was trying to say is that there’s a lot of different reasons you can make a trade or not make a trade.
Let’s just say we have to overcome two decades of not being an attractive place to be. We think it’s different now–we’re making it an attractive place to be. Very attractive.
But that isn’t obvious to everybody yet. You’re making assumptions we could’ve made a trade—yes, we could‘ve made the trade, but we may not have been able to convince a player to be here. When you’re giving up a ton to get him, you can’t necessarily [CELLPHONE DROP] …
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
sticking point was CP3’s unwillingness to sign an extension here,
CP3 is playing hard to get, of course he has the right to play hard to get, he is a superstar.
When someone says no, it doesn’t mean no in July. CP3 has the right to see what Warriors is willing to make the team better before he ink the extension.
Warriors not willing to take that risk telling me the FO does not have the plan to make the team better. Warriors is just waiting, hoping something drop from the sky. Yes, the time will come… maybe in 200 years,.. who knows,… just have to wait…
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 25, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
If Deron walks from the Nets it would be a perfect example of why you shouldn’t trade the farm for a rental. At least Deron never said he wont resign there. CP3 let it be known he dont wanna come here. Thats all you can ask for is honesty.
Well the Nets put the clock on in trading for him
Unfortunately, they have failed in 1 year so far.
CP3 would have been same thing, only a shorter clock.
yeah, that's the worst case
which is exactly what we are hoping for, time to blow up the team if CP3 walk. What so bad about that?
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 25, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Blowing up the team is all good if your Miami or the Clippers. If your not a attractive market you cant expect cap space to net you anything in free agency in terms of top talent. You have to add to the talent you already have or make a good trade.
That's why nail someone like CP3 then bring talent in makes more sense
As far as Monta and Curry, we all know that no talent wanna come here for Monta nor Curry.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 25, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Sigh.... The Draft?
Blow it up, find some legitimate scouts and stop picking guys like Udoh and Adonal over more talented players.
by tafkasam on Jan 25, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What so bad about that?
Because it gets you farther away from being a good team, not closer to it.
It’s easy to say “blow up the team” but you can’t make decisions based on a fantasy world where it’s okay to suck because that means you get a franchise player.
Most teams don’t go through that process. Most teams who suck get a few mediocre players who are good enough to make them not suck, but not good enough to turn them into good teams.
Utah made them look like fools. All they gotta do is use our pick on a small forward and they will have depth at every position.
Utah made them look like fools
Not yet.
The Nets made themselves look like fools by not bringing the right players around him.
They amnestied Outlaw to get Mehmet Okur
They could have traded Brook as well for something
yeah, and we can't even get Okur
Go figure..
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 25, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
They had 10 mil cap space
They traded a 2nd rounder in 2015 to take his 10 milcontract off Utah’s hands
so what does Warriors have again?
Or just need to suck for another 10 years?
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 25, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
If we did a 1 year rental for CP3, is there any reason that we could not have traded him again before the deadline? It is hard to imagine not landing a better player than Curry or Monta in this scenario. Even a sign and trade at the end of the season for draft picks would have been worth it.
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by KillaContract on Jan 25, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Huh?
So we trade Curry for CP3 (because that’s what it would have taken) and then, come mid Feb, we’re trying to trade him again – after less than two months of games here?
In what world does that make sense?
How does that land us a better player? If that better player was available, why didn’t New Orleans get him?
It’s sort of a
Step 1) Acquire CP3 on a rental despite the fact that he doesn’t want to be here
Step 2> ???
Step 3) Profit!!
the goal is to have CP3 sign the extension
That’s Lacob’s job and FO people’s job to make him sign at all cost after he joined the team.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 25, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
You can't make someone sign an extension.
He said he wasn’t going to do it.
All your wishing it wasn’t so isn’t going to change that.
If that better player was available, why didn’t New Orleans get him?
New Orleans did get 2 players better than Curry, twice. You way overvalue Curry. Also you ignore that Curry does not want to be here either.
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by KillaContract on Jan 26, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Eric Gordon isn't better than Curry.
He was the best player who went back to New Orleans in that deal.
I don’t see the evidence that Curry doesn’t want to be here, either.
Gordon was better than Curry when they played on the same team and most likely will make All star before Curry.
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by KillaContract on Jan 26, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Gordon was better than Curry when they played on the same team and most likely will make All star before Curry.
“All-star” is a pretty meaningless distinction. “Most likely will make all-star” (according to you) is even more meaningless. Let’s check out their actual career production:
Per 36 minutes
Gordon 18.2 (.575 ts) / 2.7 reb / 3.3 ast / 1.1 stl / 2.3 tov
Curry 18.6 (.582 ts) / 4.3 reb / 6.0 ast / 2.2 stl / 3.2 tov
Looks to me like advantage Curry, basically across the board. I think Gordon is almost certainly a better defender, but then that’s mitigated by the fact that, due to his limited playmaking skills, he has to spend most of his time guarding bigger wing players, where Curry gets to guard small PGs. Also, for a wing player, Gordon is a terrible rebounder, where Curry is a very good rebounder for a PG.
I do like Gordon a lot, though — more than Monta, not quite as much as Curry.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 26, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
(according to you) is even more meaningless.
I know you meant to sneak this, as a low brow insult of me, into what was otherwise a very robust argument on your part. However I must point out that technically you are wrong since All-stars are voted in by fans so as fan my opinion is meaningful.
I am also a believer that an All-star gets players get more foul calls form the refs. So in my opinion making All-star is meaningful. Also I bet if you asked All-Star players, they would say it was meaningful. Even if this was only ego building, Freud would of thought it was meaningful.
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by KillaContract on Jan 26, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Even if this was only ego building, Freud would of thought it was meaningful.
Wow, even in the context of a poser who grasps at a lot of straws, that’s quite a grasp for straw.
When you are trash talking, you shouldn’t pull your punches. That’s Trash Talking 101.
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by KillaContract on Jan 26, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Since Jae is not around much anymore, I have noticed that Sleepy has a new lap dog. That is what he gets for feeding strays. Yap Yap.
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by KillaContract on Jan 26, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
I have noticed that Sleepy has a new lap dog. That is what he gets for feeding strays. Yap Yap.
Down boy.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 26, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Since Jae is not around much anymore
where is the old rattlesnake?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 26, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
I know you meant to sneak this, as a low brow insult of me,
Dude, I didn’t intend it that way at all. I’m just pointing out that the “likely All-Star” distinction you grant to Gordon but not to Curry is a distinction of your own creation. What are you basing this “likelihood” on? If anything, Curry’s slightly better numbers, more stylish game, more memorable college career, (marginally ) better health, bigger media market, more PR-savvy owners, and much better looks make him a more likely All-Star candidate than Gordon, imho.
But yeah, regardless of who gets an All-Star nod first, Curry’s been a bit more productive so far as a pro. That’s usually what people mean by “better.”
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 26, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
What are you basing this "likelihood" on?
OK Curry and Gordon are very comparable players and the homer in me likes Curry. But to balance that and all the other homerism on this site it is healthy to look at it from the other perspective. Two advantages I give to Gordon in regards to making the Allstar team are that Gordon is a more natural 2 than Curry is a 1 and the competition for the 1 as is more talented at the moment.
much better looks
It would be interesting to pole some ladies in LA.
And ask them their opinion also.
I do not want imply that your no expert or belittle your opinion of who you find better looking as this is a purely subjective matter. Just usually for ladies.
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by KillaContract on Jan 26, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
I am also a believer that an All-star gets players get more foul calls form the refs. So in my opinion making All-star is meaningful
That is something that could be studied quite easily. Go for it, let’s see what the data say!
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
I mean Durant and rose have started to get more and more foul calls since being allstars
Or you know, they could be 23 and still evolving players
I think the change with Rose has been something he’s very clearly purposefully changed on his own. He attacks the rim harder and more directly now to draw contact, rather than trying to avoid the contact and finish.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
There will always be the chicken and egg problem with either argument. Maybe they started going for contact because they started getting and expecting more calls going their way.
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by KillaContract on Jan 27, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno. Generally, I don’t have much to say about the “why”, but in Rose’s case specifically I really feel like I’ve seen a willful change in his game to make it happen.
by Missing Barry on Jan 27, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
I agree the willful choice to draw fouls is a good character trait to have in this league. However, it does make it much less fun to watch. Even if the refs do not favor stars with call (I really feel they do) they still play their part to encourage the “willful” desire to draw fouls which I hate. Fouls need to be called as part of the game but I think floppers on D and guards that jump intentionally jump into slower players should be punished harshly not encouraged. My idea would be that if a player was ruled as a flopper once in a game (for one of the obvious Ginobili type flailing maneuvers) then no more calls could be called favoring that player for the rest of the game. That would teach em.
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by KillaContract on Jan 27, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
That means Deron and Howard will say no for sure too
I guess we have to sign KBrown for 65 years extension.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 25, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
There were a lot of people on here that didn't want to give up Curry for a rental
Paul is a great player, but he has a history of injuries and he wasn’t going to transform the Warriors into a contender like a guy like Howard would. The Warriors already have a pretty good PG. They would have had to trade Curry and all their young talent for a guy that makes a lot more money and could walk at the end of the season. Personally, I didn’t think the reward was worth the risk. If it was Howard then I would agree with you.
he wasn’t going to transform the Warriors into a contender like a guy like Howard would.
Somewhat false,
He wouldn’t turn the Warriors into a contender overnight. But he is a legitimately elite player, and one capable of being ‘the’ man on a contender. That’s the hardest position to find in NBA.
So he wouldn’t transform us overnight, but he would get us closer.
He would get us closer…and then there is a good chance he would leave. Deron Williams is a similar talent to Paul and he hasn’t done much for the Nets this season. I’m not saying Paul wouldn’t be an upgrade, just not a big enough of one to warrant the risk.
by Pippen on Jan 25, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
right... wait for the next big thing, something bigger than CP3
Question is… how long is the wait??
Even when there is a good chance CP3 will leave, at least it is better than NO CHANCE when we don’t do the trade.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 25, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Personally, I was scared off by his history of serious knee problems. The Warriors already had a potential all-star PG in Curry and it seemed like his ankle problems were in the past. Some guys are worth risking all of your team’s assets for and others are not. I didn’t think Paul was worth it, not with his bad knees and his refusal to even exercise the player option on his contract so we could keep him for one more year. I’d do it for Howard in a heartbeat, but not for Paul.
my issue
is that we are in our current position (pretty screwed) because we do not have a stockpile of youth/talent/picks that is worth a damn. Yeah, maybe Curry or Ellis plus fillers can get you something, but I think the last thing we need is to blow our limited resources on a gamble that can go wrong in all sorts of ways.
Really, our most interesting trade asset right now is almost certainly Curry. When you only have enough money for one hand in poker, you gotta pick your spot a little more carefully
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Off topic but am I the only 1 that believes in 2 seasons Irving will be as good as or better than CP3?
Probably. I’m becoming a pretty huge Kyrie fan, the kid can flat out play, but Chris Paul is so good that becoming that good or better is pretty much always the “unlikely” case rather than the “likely” one.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2012 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
never in his career did chris paul even come close to irving's current turnover rate
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
in fact, paul's career worst ast:TO ratio was 3.25 in his rookie season
irving is currently at 1.33
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Deron Williams did enough to beat and I would even say embarrass the Warriors when they played the Nets!
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by KillaContract on Jan 25, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
meh, punching a weakling is not a sign of strength
I’m not that impressed
beat and I would even say embarrass the Warriors
so did the Bobcats
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Someone should email Lacob
and ask him why they amnestied an expiring contract instead of Biedrins, who is playing under 20 minutes per game despite being the only “true” center on the roster
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His explanation doesn't make sense
“We wanted to pursue DeAndre Jordan, but wanted to keep Biedrins if we couldn’t get him” was his explanatioin. Did he even WATCH Biedrins these last two years? He plays scared. There was absolutely no reason to expect him to stop playing scared. Biedrins is not a “backup plan.” He’s not even a backup center.
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by doubleteapot on Jan 25, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
His answer makes sense
He thinks Biedrins has trade value. He is somewhat right, because of how rare centers are, what Biedrins potentially could do (basically what he’s done in the past), and how reasonable his contract is if he shows anything.
Also every day his contract shortens, aka teams will risk more.
Biedrins is part of the reason good centers are rare
He is soft going to the bucket. He plays defense, but does nothing on offense, which is why he doesn’t play big minutes. It’s hard to play four on five basketball.
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by doubleteapot on Jan 25, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
But Biedrins in the past was not. He was a good center. And one who had a lot of trade value. The point was if he shows anything, he’s tradeable
He hasn't showed anything for three years
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by doubleteapot on Jan 25, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
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by doubleteapot on Jan 25, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
He thinks Biedrins has trade value.
You’re right, but if that’s what he thinks, why is he letting Beans waste away on the bench? They should be giving him more minutes and force-feeding him the ball. Everyone already knows he can’t shoot free throws. If he fouls out, good. All the better to keep their 1st rounder with.
RIP Kyrylo Fesenko 2011-2011
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jan 25, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
Did he even WATCH Biedrins these last two years?
Did you even WATCH Biedrins so far this year?
Lacob made a bet that Biedrins wouldn’t be the guy he was the past two years.
So far, that appears to have been the right call.
He's the same guy
Scared on offense, but plays okay on defense
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by doubleteapot on Jan 25, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Biedrins was terrible on defense most of last year.
Same guy on offense? Biedrins is shooting with a TS% almost .150 higher. Biedrins was a bad finisher last year. He’s a great finisher this year.
Same guy on defense?
This year, Biedrins defensive +/- is -7. Last year it was +5.
Scared on offense? He’s not taking it as hard as he would like, but last year we repeatedly saw him pass the ball despite there being no-one between him and the basket. This year, we’s finishing those shots.
Calling him the same guy makes it seem like you haven’t actually paid attention to what he’s doing on the floor.
Beans game is defense, rebounds and putbacks
Stop asking player to player at his weakness. Remember how Smart destroyed Beans last season?!
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, and by the way
WE DIDN’T HAVE TO USE THE AMNESTY THIS YEAR. The CBA allows us to use it ANY time before the start of a season (but not during).
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by doubleteapot on Jan 25, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
i think they used it on charlie bell because it was a safer bet and it had a decent reward if it all worked out.
-so scenario 1 : amnesty bell, sign either Chandler or DJ – biggest reward in terms of talent
-or scenario 2: amnesty bell, don’t sign either – leaves us with a used up amnesty but retains a starting roster
-or scenario 3: amnesty beans, sign either Chandler or DJ – THE biggest reward, but unsafe because of scenario 4
-or scenario 4: amensty beans, don’t sign either – leaves us with no center, and contract wise beans isn’t hogging a lot of cap space; the biggest failure
either way, we didn’t sign a good center and amnesty wasted. We were definitely playing for this year and not looking to tank and it speaks. At the time, it was the safest bet to sign Chandler or DJ and still have a backup plan.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Jan 25, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
I was saying that the Warriors did not have to use their amnesty this year
You can use the amnesty any year. The only rules are that you can only use it once, and it must be done before the season starts. Charlie Bell did not need to be amnestied, since it only added a few million dollars to the contract.
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by doubleteapot on Jan 25, 2012 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
my bigger issue here, is that it sounds like they weren't even considering Lee
or at least will not ever publicly say that they were
The alternate would’ve been to amnesty a bigger contract–without getting into names, that would’ve been a big man, right?
And the problem is we still lost the DeAndre Jordan in the bidding and we would have not had a center.
I would have used it on Lee. Just way too much money on the back of that contract for a decent, but not great player
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 25, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
They couldn’t use it on Lee because it would have been PRmageddon. He’s a recent acquisition that was lauded hither and thither. Also, while I loathe watching him do anything but pass the ball, he has been solid this year. If they can match him with a solid big he could be OK, especially considering the Lakers are hellbent on breaking up the Bynum/Gasol duo. That’s the litmus test for hypothetical front courts. If Dallas and LA go smaller Lee becomes slightly less embarrassing.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jan 25, 2012 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
The only rules are that you can only use it once, and it must be done before the season starts.
No, those aren’t the only rules.
The other rule is that you can only use it on a player who was under contract at the time the new CBA was signed.
In other words: the amnesty gets less valuable each year, as fewer and fewer eligible players are under contract and the players who are eligible has fewer and fewer years remaining.
So you are saying we should have used it on Charlie Bell?
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by doubleteapot on Jan 25, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
I've said this before:
There were only three long-term contracts which made any sense to talk about amnestying.
Monta, Biedrins, and Lee.
Monta clearly has too much value to pay not to play. He’s overpaid for what he gives us, but he should be tradeable.
Biedrins, had he no returned to form, would have been the obvious candidate. The player Biedrins was the lsat two years was just a deadweight. However, the team gambled that he would regain some of his value … and it appears that gamble was correct. Of course, it may not have been that much of a gamble: by the time they used the amnesty, they Warriors had the opportunity to talk to Biedrins, assess where his head was, and see him on the practice court.
Even as the player he is now, Biedrins is too valuable to amnesty. The biggest problem with Biedrins right now is that Mark Jackson isn’t playing him enough.
That leaves Lee. And I think it’s extremely naive of fans to think that such a thing is going to happen. He’s a player who’s highly productive on one side of the ball. He’s good enough that you have a hard time replacing him (I see, below, that you think we make a max play for Nene – do you think he takes it? I don’t. Sounds like Nene knew he wanted to stay in denver the whole time).
Or sign David West? Okay, Indiana signed him for $10m, so we have to top that, let’s call it $11m. Even if you think West is better than Lee, you’re talking about a tiny upgrade. West and Dalembert isn’t a significantly better combination than Lee and Kwame.
So you’re basically advocating lighting a pile of money on fire to make the team a tiny bit better, at best.
That seems a little crazy, especially when you consider the PR hit, the message it sends to future players who might want to come here, etc.
this is a pretty good response
I’ll back off of the amnesty Lee now case, but I still would have rather saved the option, than make a weak offer on a RFA
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 26, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Your scenario 4 would not be a failure. Just plug in ANY cheaper free agent and you have a huge WIN WIN.
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by KillaContract on Jan 25, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Right. Because cheap free agent centers better than Biedrins is right now are readily available and cheap ...
… uh … you looked at the free agent market lately?
Best scenario to me is if we amnestied Lee
And then signed either Nene, chandler, marc gasol around the max and start Udoh. Or sign david west to what pacers gave him along with dalembert and still keep Biedrins and Udoh.
I really looks like Nene knew he was going to be returning to Denver the whole time.
Gasol was restricted.
And Chandler got offered more money. I like Chandler, but let’s be honest, you really don’t want to be paying him a max salary 2-3 years from now.
What does lately have anything to do with it? Lately is when you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. We were talking about the point in time before we signed Jordan and I did not even write better, I wrote cheaper. But by the way Brown was much cheaper and much better. Also your claim that Biedrins has returned to form is laughable. SSS??? But props to you for bringing your trash talk with sarcasm!
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by KillaContract on Jan 26, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Lacob’s answer, per his actions, is that he is perfectly happy to blow $9 mil a year in cap space on any loser that is almost 7 feet tall no matter if he can play or not.
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by KillaContract on Jan 25, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
I do agree with Lacob that Mark Jackson deserves more patience
I didn’t like the hire, but I suppose he’s the coach now, and he deserves at least one full offseason to see if he is really a good coach.
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I think what matters is whether he is making players better. If he is doing that, keep him. If not, what’s the point?
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
I think what matters is whether he is making players better.
Yes, but It also matters what players he plays and what plays he plays. I was a big supporter of Jackson at first but if he does not figure out soon that Monta absolutely sucks in end of quarter isolations, then I will start trashing him soon.
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by KillaContract on Jan 25, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
but if he does not figure out soon thatMonta absolutely sucks in end of quarterisolations suck
tftfy
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
by Evanz on Jan 25, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes. After watching Portland play Memphis last night, the main difference was Portland continued to pass and play the way that got them the large 3rd quarter lead. The Warriors go into “I want to be a hero mode” and stop passing. This is a coaching problem. Mark may also be going into “I want to vicariously be a hero through my favorite player mode”. If Mark can not fix this then he should just state that: Monta is uncoachable, and resign.
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by KillaContract on Jan 25, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Should I really read this interview? Will it make our record more bearable?
by Doctor Kajita on Jan 25, 2012 3:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It'll show you Lacob isn't quite as delusional as you may think
Maybe 50% delusional, as opposed to the 85-90% the current play + management statements would make you believe.
Should I really read this interview? Will it make our record more bearable?
In summary, Warriors sucks and there is nothing he nor the FO can do about it.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 25, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That's what I thought!
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by Doctor Kajita on Jan 25, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
In summary, Warriors sucks and there is nothing he nor the FO can do about it.
In fairness, they can try like the dickens.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
In fairness, they can try like the dickens.
I think it is more like:
In a racket rigged against them, they can try like the dickens to take the path of least resistance.
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by KillaContract on Jan 25, 2012 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
The biggest problem with the Warriors is how Joe Lacob and Mark Jackson envision the team as. They tried to introduce defense to our staring 5 but failed to realize the starters are built for run and gun. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but as long as you have Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis as the backcourt there is no way the Warriors can compete every night with teams with mediocre defense. Steph defers too much to Monta and Monta at best is a number 2-3 for playoff teams.
yes they're trying to go off road with a miata
Using your players at their strengths is what Jackson isn’t doing from time to time. I think they’ll make the proper adjustments
by Xtremelink on Jan 25, 2012 10:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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