Why isn't Klay on here anywhere??
Granted I haven't watched all these players in depth, but I believe Klay has got to be playing better than a couple of them. IMO this list is just a big circle jerk for all the rookie names people may recognize, not necessarily the best ones.
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It's actually turning out to be a pretty darn good rookie class
Jon Leuer isn’t even on there, but should be
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
also Chandler Parsons darkhorse for ROY
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
parsons doesn't have the type of game that voters like
they like to see points and lots of them.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
I did say "darkhorse"
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Anyone for tea?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUr7glxTqac
T - A - N - K - M - O - D - E (that's all.)
by Butterknuckles on Jan 26, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Get out
Parsons will never pass up Rubio or Irving
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
I find it a little funny the article is titled “What’s up Jimmer” and he pans him for his 35% shooting. Meanwhile he has Kemba Walker and Iman Shumpert on the top half of his list even though they are shooting 36.9% and 36.6% respectively. These lists are pretty much meaningless.
Kemba Walker is an inefficient blackhole?! I never would have guessed…
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Shumpert's value has very little to do with how well he shoots.
Kemba, not so much.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Every player on that list is having a better year than Klay Thompson
I’m starting to question the blind-love that people have for Klay Thompson in the fan base. Is anybody noticing what other rookies are doing out there? Kemba Walker, MarShom Brooks, Iman Shumpert, Kyrie Irving,…..I don’t even think is a top 5 guard in the rookie class.
I don’t even think Klay* is a top 5 guard
by eastbayglory on Jan 26, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Klay is arguably a better shooter than all those guys, except maybe Irving
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
doesn't do anything else right now, though
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
I think Irving is probably shooting above his real talent level.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think Irving is probably shooting above his real talent level.
he shot 52.9/46.2/90.1 (71.0 TS%) in college.
so 49.5/40.4/82.0 (58.2 TS%) so far in the nba doesn’t seem that unreasonable to me.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
He played 11 games in college. 303 minutes, 104 FGA’s, 39 3PA’s, 71 FTA’s. You always regress towards the mean, and the smaller the sample, the more you regress.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Okay so what is his talent level?
The only thing not in a SSS would be high school for him
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
So what made you think he is shooting above his talent level?
RIP Al Davis
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Regression towards the mean. I haven’t put in the work to come up with a forecasting system to answer your question, but it doesn’t mean we should ignore regression towards the mean.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
what is he regressing to though?
how do we know he’s not just this good?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
We don’t “know”. That’s the whole point of statistics. For your typical bell shaped distribution, it’s more likely that a guy is closer to the mean rather than farther compared to our observed sample. It’s just probability. We will be wrong sometimes. We will be right more than we will be wrong.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
i just don't get how you can say irving is probably shooting better than his talent
just because he is shooting at an above average level. there’s plenty of reason to believe that irving, as a #1 pick, is in fact above average.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Well that’s statistics for you. It’s real thing. And just to be clear, the point isn’t that Irving is an average shooter, it’s just that he’s likely somewhat worse than we’ve seen. He can still be a good shooter and be worse than he’s been so far.
http://www.3-dbaseball.net/2011/08/regression-to-mean-and-beta.html
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/bayes_is_regression_toward_the_mean/
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
by that logic, anyone shooting above league average is probably shooting better than their talent?
or am i not understanding?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
I believe he's saying that, because the sample is so small, you have to regress toward the mean more than you would with a suitable sample size.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
so any rookie shooting above league average is probably shooting better than their talent, and any rookie shooting below league average is probably shooting worse than their talent? i don’t think i can agree with that.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
i can only see that being accurate if you have absolutely no information on any of the rookies.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Not exactly. On average, a rookie’s talent will be closer to the mean. We know some will actually have a talent level farther from the mean, though – but more will have a talent level closer to the mean. For any individual player, our best guess is that his real talent is closer to the mean – the guess that will be right more often than wrong. But, like I said, we will be wrong sometimes. The real issue is we have no way of knowing which instances we’ll be right and which ones we’ll be wrong.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Also worth noting – what “the mean” is is not exactly clear. Ideally, “the mean” is the players own true talent level, and you just regress to that 100%…but, well, it’s impossible to know the players true talent level, so the mean we use in practice is the population the player best fits into – but like I said, the answer to that isn’t clear. There are lots of possible variables to use to determine that, for instance, you’d want to separate wings and/or shooting guards from the rest of the population and include Klay in that. Letting other positions bring the average down will make your mean less accurate. So that’s where most of the work goes into when forecasting – establishing the closest possible population mean (and you’re often balancing the limits of your sample size against the accuracy of using more variables).
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Correct, though the larger the sample we have, the closer their real talent level is to their observed level.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Of course, Klay might be shooting above too. We won’t really know for a while.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
And of course, it could be that their as good as it seems, but as they get more confident in their shot they take on a bigger role and start shooting a lower % simply because they’re taking more difficult shots. Statistics isn’t exactly the best at establishing causation…
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
you know what klay is shooting?
lights…out…
one of the best spot up shooters in the league already.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Jan 26, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Klay started slow.
… and we’re a losing team. He didn’t come into the league with a lot of hype.
Which all adds up to the simple fact that nobody’s paying attention. Maybe they glanced at a stat sheet after the first couple of games, saw he couldn’t hit the basket, and wrote him off.
Snap judgements can end up being really hard to change. Don’t worry about it.
Yeah, 42.9% from 3 is horrible.
Too bad they can’t amnesty him.
Damon Jones could hit threes, too.
Want to sign him up?
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Corey Brewer is leading the league in three point shooting.
Should we trade for him?
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Charlie Bell shot 42% in his first full NBA season.
Is there an un-amnesty clause?
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Corey Brewer and Charlie Bell shooting over 40% from 3 is an anomaly. Brewer is 32% for his career from three and will start sinking toward that average eventually. Klay is obviously a very polished shooter, his accuracy is not a fluke. Klay has only played 17 NBA games without the benefit of summer league or preseason. He is concentrating on what he does best to help the team. He has improved since the start of the season, so it isn’t unreasonable to believe he will continue to improve in all aspects of the game. Just because he can shoot doesn’t mean he is incapable of doing other things.
Klay has only played 17 NBA games without the benefit of summer league or preseason.
That’s my point. Sample size. It doesn’t matter what his numbers are at this point, what matters is how he looks.
And he looks like [redacted]. Which is how I thought he would look, because he looked like that for the past three years that I’ve watched him.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
Watch Klay for a game, then watch MarShon Brooks. Completely different caliber of NBA player.
by eastbayglory on Jan 26, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, he's not bad.
He’s already – clearly – the kind of player who can be highly successful in a well-defined role. You love having those guys. Not as much as you love having legitimate superstars, of course.
But I don’t see how you get that he’s bad. He’s not.
All he can do is shoot.
Kyle Korver doesn’t get that much hype for a reason.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 26, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Klay moves without the ball very well.
by Doctor Kajita on Jan 26, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
He can't guard his position.
There were better players available, and he’s only good at the one thing a lot of Warriors are already good at. It’s annoying.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
How many rookies can guard their position well? I think it is a little early to make a final analysis of this draft and determine that there were multiple players significantly better than him. The jury is still out.
And the Warriors are really a tremendous 3 pt shooting team anymore without Klay. Rush and Curry are the only other guys shooting over 33% and their starting 2 guard is awful from behind the line.
How many rookies can guard their position well?
Kawhi Leonard, Iman Shumpert, Chris Singleton and Nikola Vucevic seem to be handling themselves pretty well.
The thing is, Klay couldn’t guard his position in college, so there’s no real reason to think he can do it in the NBA, other than blind optimism because he’s on the team one roots for.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I would say they are the exception more than the rule. I’ll take you word they they are actually defending well since I don’t watch many Wizard and Sixers games. It seems to me there are quite a few college stars that come into the NBA having never played defense in college. Shumpert and Singleton better play defense, because they aren’t really offering much else on the offensive end.
The thing about rookie defense is that it gets better, not that it materializes out of nowhere.
Lots of rookies are able to guard, but don’t yet understand the nuances of the NBA game so they struggle at times.
Other rookies come in and just can’t guard period. They might improve to passable, they might not, but when you don’t defend in college, chances are you won’t be able to in the NBA either.
From what I’ve seen, Klay is in the latter group.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Klay definitely guarded his position in college.
I don’t know where this notion comes from that he didn’t. Watched every one of his games for 3 years.
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Jan 26, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Watched every one of his games for 3 years.
you need to find a woman
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 26, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Touche.
I am student here, though, so I think that gives me a little bit of an excuse :)
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Jan 26, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
I am student here, though, so I think that gives me a little bit of an excuse :)
gives you a reason to be out enjoying life more
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 26, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
There were better players available, and he’s only good at the one thing a lot of Warriors are already good at. It’s annoying.
That does not make him a bad player. Perhaps a bad draft pick, but not a bad player.
I also disagree that he’s only good at one thing. Heck, after the first couple of games, what everybody was saying was, “Wow, he looks great except he can’t hit a dang thing.”
Perhaps a bad draft pick, but not a bad player.
And the difference is?
Heck, after the first couple of games, what everybody was saying was, "Wow, he looks great except he can’t hit a dang thing."
I wasn’t. I was saying he does things on the court that NBA players just don’t do (positioning wise) and he has absolutely no hope of guarding anyone.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
And the difference is?
A bad player is someone who doesn’t belong on an NBA roster, or ends up being worthy of substantially less PT than the guys taken right after him.
A bad draft pick is someone who doesn’t fit with your team.
Fair enough. I'm not differentiating between the two when I say Klay is bad.
For this team, he’s bad. Somewhere else, I wouldn’t care because he’d be somewhere else.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
You seem to be making very absolute statements on his defensive ability based on much less than one season of NBA play and a possibly biased recounting of his defense in college (I may be on the other side of the bias spectrum, but I don’t think he’s nearly as bad defensively as you do).
Plus, he’s a rookie, and there is a chance that if he really was a bad defender, he might not have gotten proper coaching before.
i swear we draft funny ass faces though.
ar4 is a huge one.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Jan 26, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
damn ricky is good :)
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
Granted I haven’t watched all these players in depth, but I believe Klay has got to be playing better than a couple of them.
Think about this from a non-Warriors fan perspective. Note how you haven’t watched the other players in depth – well fans of other teams haven’t seen Klay in depth. When they go to look up his stats, this is what they see:
6.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.4 apg, 1.2 TOpg 42% FG% 43% 3pt%. If they’re a little wiser, they see:
13.9 points per 36, 3.1 rebounds per 36, 2.9 assists per 36, 2.7 TO per 36, 5.3 fouls per 36, 53% TS%. Also keep in mind he had a reputation for being a weak defender coming into the league, which looks to me like a fair reputation. So, look at that statline, and tell me what you see? I see a guy who shoots and does nothing else at all, who isn’t a good overall scorer. That’s pretty “meh”.
Yeah, so is everyone else on the list.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
true, I wanted Kawhi Leonard and I’m just trying to stay optimistic about Klay.
This is the problem when someone just looks at a stat sheet without looking at all the extenuating circumstances….
Klay is only getting very spotty min, about 16 min per game, almost all the guys on the rookie ladder are getting from 26-33 min a game, some of it has to do with him not adjusting to the speed of the NBA game and some with trying to find min at the 2guard or 3 behind other players who are established.
It’s still to early to bring out the state sheet and make any kind of final analysis, we should see progress by the AS break…
Klay reminds me of an abused kid, he has some emotional issues to work out in his adjustment period, I think Mark Jackson is the right coach for him….he will instill confidence and have him playing better in the second half.
I predict he will be on the ladder in the 2nd half…right now if I were to predict, I would say around 6 or 7…
This is the problem when someone just looks at a stat sheet without looking at all the extenuating circumstances….
The thing with this is make sure you’re not just looking at Klay’s circumstances for excuses while not also looking at others. As Warriors fan, we know what the deal is with Klay cause we watch him a lot. You can bet fans of other teams all have their reasons why their guy deserves more respect, too. When they see our guy, they’re gonna dismiss him the same way we’ll dismiss theirs. Objectively, it’s gonna be real hard to make a case for Klay right now.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
it’s gonna be real hard to make a case for Klay right now
Klay will get his recognition when he has it coming, I don’t know if he should be on the rookie ladder right now untill he has some real breakout games under his belt.
I don’t see any franchise players in this draft class unless RR emerges as one, but I see some good player, that Brooks is one nice looking player and so is Kyrie and Williams and some others, Klay is in stiff competition, if he finishes in the top 6 or so by the end of the year he will be in some pretty good company..
by Cryptic on Jan 26, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It was a weak draft in terms of top-end talent.
I’d be shocked if any of the players turn into real superstars, but a lot of people have a good chance of being in the above average to borderline star range.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Have you seen Kyrie play so far? The kid is 19 years old.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. He's good. I think he could be a star/second best player type.
But I don’t think he’s a superstar.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
He’s almost playing like a superstar, right now! He’ll regress as the season goes on, but he’ll also get a lot better over the next 3-4 years.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, he's been really good.
I don’t think he’s a franchise player. We’ll see. I’m open to being wrong.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 27, 2012 2:05 AM PST up reply actions
He reminds me of Deron Williams (in terms of impact on the game).
Very talented, but not a superstar.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 27, 2012 2:05 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno, the way he’s playing at such a young age….I’m not ready to put any sort of ceiling on him. I have yet to see anything he can’t do….
by Missing Barry on Jan 27, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Sure. I really don't feel too comfortable putting a ceiling on him either.
I feel like I don’t have as good of a handle on his true talent level since I wasn’t able to watch a lot of him in college.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 27, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Kyrie is the next great point guard in the NBA. His rookie card is gonna be worth alot of money in 15 years. He’s gonna be a beast in a year or 2.
Ha, all he has to do is keep playing the way he has to be a beast.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
if he finishes in the top 6 or so by the end of the year he will be in some pretty good company..
and we’ll have got good value for our pick.
I think klank looks pretty good for a rook. He’s not getting any worse as the season progresses. If he ever learns to smile I might tolerate him :>)
I haven’t watched most of the other rooks but I did like that marshon or whatever his name was kid we played a couple of games ago.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 26, 2012 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
That’s MarShon Brooks, I was impressed with him, he went 25th in the draft taken by Boston and then landed in NJ….
Klay’s only problem is the right hand side of his nose don’t know what the left hand side is doing right? ;))
He strikes me as a troubled kid who maybe likes to drink a little to much…but I think he’s gonna come around and become a solid player…
I wonder if Riley can made a deal with Detroit, Udho for Monroe? ya think?
Anytime we talk about Marshon Brooks, I feel we should acknowledge his age. Yes, he’s a rookie, but most guys his age have been in the NBA for multiple years now.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
but most guys his age have been in the NBA for multiple years now.
Most guys his age just graduated college and are looking for jobs.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
He dont smile because he wants to be like Kobe.
He looks like his Dad may have been tough on him, he just has beaten down look…
As far as the Kobs comparison I thought the same thing, he has to be the guy he’s trying to pattern his game after. ….he wants that killer instinct…
He doesn't smile because he never has.
You should see some CougCenter threads (WSU SBN blog) from a 2 years ago. Drove our fan base batty for a bit.
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Jan 26, 2012 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
He dont smile because he wants to be like Kobe.
Kobe smiles a lot, but I don’t want Klay to be like kobe, I want him to find himself.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 26, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
His dad said he told him to be like Kobe. The interview is somewhere on the 95.7 website. When Kobe came in the league he was all business and didn’t hang out with his teamates and only focused on the game. Good advice.
His dad said he told him to be like Kobe
Maybe klay shoulda listened to his mom? Kobe is about the last guy I’d tell any boy to imitate. Binky is doing just fine rockin his confident smile.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 26, 2012 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
So is Lebron. Id rather have the killer instinct. Not saying SC30 dont have it, but he dont try to be Kobe like with it. Klay seems to have it and I can tell by the amount of shots he takes with no conscience.
Here's a video of Klay's killer instinct.
by crimson and gray on Jan 26, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQpFgTE2E0
Couldn’t get it to link right…. Dammit.
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Jan 26, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Id rather have the killer instinct.
killer instinct has nothing to do with not smiling, it has to do with ability and confidence. Willy Mays was one of the best athletes ever and smiled all the time cause he was having fun doing something he knew he excelled at. Same thing with Ali, Magic, and Joe Montana. Kobe is not good because he can be surly, and he’s not not any worse when he smiles.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 26, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
It has everything to do with killer instinct. Which 1 of those guys you named smiled while coming off the bench of a losing team? Nothing to smile about.
Which 1 of those guys you named smiled while coming off the bench of a losing team? Nothing to smile about.
great players can smile win or lose if they know they’ve done their best.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 27, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Don't think it had to do with smiling but effort and not taking plays off
Some like magic do it best with a pre sense of calm/coolness. Others don’t. To each their own.
I think half of it is klaus frustration with himself. You can tell he feels he’s struggling and nit happy with himself. I like that, shouldn’t be happy cause he hits a few 3 s
I heard the interview
Iirc he said ‘model your work ethic and competitive drive after Kobe. But not your game, you’re completely different players. Model your game after Reggie miller’
Makes perfect sense to me. He also went to comment how he told klay to learn how to work from workouts/pick up games with kobe. Like or dislike lobes game, he is a good model for young players in terms of professionalism and commitment to their craft. Not the only one of course but if you live in la and work out with Kobe, it’s the best example. It’s not like he can learn from wade, ray Allen or Jordan if he’s never worked out with em
anyone else scared by the fact riley took curry, udoh, klay over jennings, monroe/george, kawhi etc.
In curry’s case, it worked, but the logic is sooo flawed and a major reason we are short on real talent with upside
by tafkasam on Jan 26, 2012 1:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, I hate that we keep drafting older players. If I remember right, Riley has said it’s a strategy he prefers. It’s a losing strategy. It’s playing against the odds. Ugh.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with you on Curry over Jennings and Monroe over Udoh but I’m still in the middle when it comes to Klay and Kawhi.
by mrorangesoda on Jan 26, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
other ppl's gf always look prettier
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 26, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And sometimes they are.
By a bunch.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 26, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Washington State fan here.
Also now a Golden State fan. I’ve been following your guys’ blog for a few months now.
Why does everyone think Klay is a poor defender? Sometimes he will make a dumb foul, but he does a good job of working hard and staying in front of people. To me he seems like one of the better perimeter defenders on the team. Tell me where I’m off on this?
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Jan 26, 2012 5:07 PM PST reply actions
Thought process bro… Warriors sucked for so long that unless your a superstar you’re not that good
by mrorangesoda on Jan 26, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
I understand that.
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Jan 26, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Only the unwise thinks he’s a poor defender. Klay is gonna be a stud once he learns to pump fake and drive more.
So he just needs to learn from D Wright?
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Jan 26, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Good point.
So a D Wright/Ellis hybrid?
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Jan 26, 2012 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
I like that vision.
Realistic as well.
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Jan 26, 2012 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Sarcastic?
Klay’s drawn 1 foul in 16 games in the NBA? Kevin Martin averages 10 trips to the line per 36….
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Kevin Martin averages 10 trips to the line per 36…
Not anymore. The rip-through rule has ripped his career. He’s averaging 4.3 FTA/36 now. A Kevin Martin that doesn’t average 60% TS is worthless.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
To be fair
KMart averaged about 4 per 36 his first two years. And with a few exceptions, most players increase their free throw attempts as they age.
It’s completely reasonable to think in a year he’ll average 4 to 5 fouls per 16 games :)
unfortunately kevin martin without the ability to get the line (which klay obviously doesn't have) is just crap
i think klay will be better than that at least.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Washington State fan here.
I agree he’s much better than some of the critics made him out to be on “D”
Do you think he has STAR potential?
I see his potential to be somewhere between Ray Allen and Rip Hamilton.
You have already scene his ability to use a screen and spot up. He doesn’t have the athleticism that Allen has, but he is a better passer than either of them are.
He’s more athletic than people think, but he has to use that athleticism more. Watching him this year, he’s focusing so much on just shooting that he is making himself one dimensional. I expect at some point he will get out of that. He’s still young, and the season is young.
If you guys look at his college performance, one thing that’s incredibly impressive is the improvement he made every year. I wouldn’t be surprised to see that in the pros as well.
Another note, you’ve got to get used to the body language. Only saw him smile twice in 3 years at WSU.
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Jan 26, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
I feel Klay is actually pretty good
Let’s forget where he was drafted and who the Warriors should have drafted instead.
This kid seems pretty legit to me.
Nice size/length and understands how to use it, moves his feet on defense, quick release with great follow through (frankly, seems pretty similar to Stephen Curry), is excellent moving without the ball (I would hate to guard him and fight through those screens), and sees the floor pretty well.
Obviously, there’s tons of room for improvement. He shows the ball too much, isn’t strong enough with his triple threat, and seems to over pass.
Looking forward to his development.
Well said.
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Jan 27, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
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