Would Atlanta like to re-tool its roster?
by GoldenBlue on Jan 26, 2012 6:24 PM PST
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PrintAtlanta is sporting basically the same roster from the past few years to get into the finals. While they are holding their own in the East, I don't think Atlanta can make it past Miami, Chicago, or Boston. Indiana and Philadelphia have become even better since their post-season berths. Is it time for them to restructure their team?
Their best asset would be Josh Smith whose contract expires after next season. We can give them Monta, Udoh, Wright, and Thompson for Smith and Hinrich's expiring. This gives Atlanta fluid, offensive players that can drive, dish, and shoot. Joe Johnson is also a play maker that can set Monta up for scoring oppurtunities, and Monta can do the same by keeping his defender honest. Wright and Klay can be used to run fast breaks or provide spot-up shooting. Udoh can replace Josh Smith on defense or Atlanta can have Marvin Williams slide over and play PF. Atlanta would have a better second unit, with Teague joining the reserves.
For us, Smith can play SF or even slide over to PF and give us something defensively. I would trade Biedrins for peanuts at this point, but a draft pick and/or expiring contracts would be best. In the offseason, I think a capable center we should go for is Omer Asik. He's 7'0, wide, mobile, not afraid to be physical or make an mpact in the game. Hopefully, Dwight Howard stays in Orlando and lets us have a better look at the free agent market. If we can get the trade and Biedrins off the books, we would have a a good, solid and competitive team to go for Deron Williams. Where Deron lands will be a mystery, but he would have a team like this if he chooses GS:
PG: Deron Williams?
SG: Stephen Curry
SF: Josh Smith
PF: David Lee
C: Omer Asik
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Ain’t gonna happen. ATL is not going to unload their top player for a chance to ‘retool’ with an undersized low efficiency scoring off-guard. The trade does nothing to address their weaknesses and takes away from one of their strengths. I’d do it in a heartbeat were I in charge of the Warriors, but it makes no sense for the Hawks. The greater number of bodies we send still compete for the same minutes. Strengthening your ‘second unit’ at the expense of your first unit is a recipe to start losing more games.
by jae on Jan 26, 2012 6:51 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Of course Atlanta wouldn’t do this right now. Down the line when they do realize that the core is not going to get them over that hump, they would entertain trade offers. With ~$50 million already tied up in cap space for their core and Smith due for a raise after next season, what kind of cap flexibility do they have to add to their roster in the future. Why not give them a player that is not undersized at PG, plays better when someone is setting up his shots, and better role players. Or would Atlanta like to hem in their cap space for someone who probably won’t help them turn the corner.
We could even take in William’s bad contract instead of Hinrich’s to give them more cap space in free agency.
"You ever see a bumper sticker on a Maybach?" said by Warrior's rookie Charles Jenkins when an ESPN reporter asked why he had no tattoos.
Why not give them a player that is not undersized at PG?
which player are you talking about? all 4 of the players you mentioned are not undersized for a point guard because none of them are point guards.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
and they all play better when someone sets up their shots
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
1. Someone playing @PG and someone taking on PG duties is two different things. There is no reason why Monta can’t play at the PG position and have Joe Johnson as the ball handler.
2. Exactly, he should play better when someone sets up his shot. Something he will have in ATL.
"You ever see a bumper sticker on a Maybach?" said by Warrior's rookie Charles Jenkins when an ESPN reporter asked why he had no tattoos.
and Monta is no slouch a setting people up himself
"You ever see a bumper sticker on a Maybach?" said by Warrior's rookie Charles Jenkins when an ESPN reporter asked why he had no tattoos.
rofl
There is no reason why Monta can’t play at the PG position and have Joe Johnson as the ball handler.
they’d better prepare to see a lot of standing around
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
and what do you suggest they do with teague?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
To the bench.
"You ever see a bumper sticker on a Maybach?" said by Warrior's rookie Charles Jenkins when an ESPN reporter asked why he had no tattoos.
thats idiotic
teague is good
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Atlanta can get a lot more
Than a ballhogging undersized 2 guard, a 2nd year old PF who can’t rebound, a SF who can’t stop pump faking and can’t play defense, and a rookie for one of the better PFs in the East (and has been on a tear without Horford in the lineup).
Johnson is also not a playmaker… he’s an iso SG (just like Monta). He’s much better when someone is setting up his shots. People don’t understand that teams need a good starting lineup before working on their bench, and their starting lineup is way worse with Monta instead of Josh Smith. Marvin Williams is also not a PF at all so who plays PF for them? Udoh is not a valid replacement for Josh Smith in any way. They have enough undersized shoot first guards already, why give up one of their best players for another one?
Asik is the only reasonable pursuit in this post, but I’d bet we’d have to overpay quite a bit. Also Chi really likes him, but I wonder if they’d be willing to give him up considering how well Nikola Mirotic plays in Europe (though I think he’s a PF).
DERON WILLIAMS IS NOT COMING HERE. ENOUGH SAID. People need to realize superstars don’t want to come here unless there are other superstars. Williams will not come here unless Dwight is here, and Dwight doesn’t want to come here unless Williams is here or some other form of a superstar (not to mention he just doesn’t like us in the first place).
If we can get the trade and Biedrins off the books
How do we make him disappear?
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
Maybe Biedrins and Klay to Boston for Allen’s expiring?
"You ever see a bumper sticker on a Maybach?" said by Warrior's rookie Charles Jenkins when an ESPN reporter asked why he had no tattoos.
not happening
They can get more value for Ray Allen (assuming they want to get rid of him, which is unlikely.
look into trading beans amd monta to atl
horford is out, they may be looking for a 5 to take his place. plus, even healthy he is a better 4 than 5. monta would be able to play alongside j. johnson or come off the bench a la crawford for them. it also helps that they are not one of the best run teams, imo. they are locked into johnsons contract, so they wont be rebuilding until it gets closer to ending, why not try to win now should be their thnking. and they dont seem to be a free agent hotspot like they should be, so they cant go that route. dont draft low enough to get a difference maker through the draft. they are like the playoff version of us.
negatives to my idea: fan base doesnt support them that much, so they may not want to take on the extra money. and beans probably has -i trade value. monta would be a good fit there though.
very doubtful they would bite on a trade with us.
i would do somthing like smith and marvin williams for beans and monta
we play lee at the 5 smith 4 wright/williams 3/2 ( interchangeable) curry 1. hurts us downlow, but its not like we dominant there to begin with.
they lose depth at 4 for this year, but when horford comes back next year they will be more balanced.
Yep, I think they can’t improve their team unless they make trades. It’s not a place to attract free agents. Include a congested payroll, they can’t afford a difference maker. I would not include Biedrins because he isn’t attractive to Atlanta. They would have to pay two more years of his contract and would definitely play behind Pachulia and Horford.
"You ever see a bumper sticker on a Maybach?" said by Warrior's rookie Charles Jenkins when an ESPN reporter asked why he had no tattoos.
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"You ever see a bumper sticker on a Maybach?" said by Warrior's rookie Charles Jenkins when an ESPN reporter asked why he had no tattoos.
PG: Deron Williams?
As soon as I saw that…..
Just give that up, he an DH12 are not options
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
how about
Ellis Biedrins Jenkins and 2 2nd Rounders for Smith and Hinrich
by polar on Jan 26, 2012 9:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Horford can finally play the 4 with Biedrins and Pachulia platooning. It’s ridiculous to pay anyone $20 million when you’ve never reached the Finals so they’re screwed any way you slice it, just like Orlando is (unless Orlando pulls an epic heist like Denver did) (smh at Knicks getting ripped off twice with Carmelo and with Amare and Tyson).
by polar on Jan 26, 2012 9:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
so let me get this straight
It’s Ellis and trash for Smith and an expiring? Yeah not happening. They’d rather pay that money and get a chance at winning than giving up for trash and getting worse.
I think it's safe to say ATL has no interest in Monta anymore, if it ever had any
There was a time, but the Hawks are a much different looking team this year with Jeff Teague at the helm. He may be their missing piece so to speak, though it’s going to be hard for them to get past the Eastern conference finals.
Bottom line though, Josh Smith ain’t going anywhere. Why would they?
Ok – note to everyone – in the real NBA (not NBA Live ‘12 or whatever game you kids are playing these days), nobody is willing to trade quantity for quality. Throwing in a bunch of bench players is not going to make a deal all of a sudden become favorable. It’s all about the main piece or two you’re willing to part with. Teams are also extremely hesitant to trade big for small. Atlanta is not going to part with Josh Smith for Monta and bench players. That’s ridiculous.
Furthermore, Steph Curry is not a SG, and Josh Smith is not a SF. Get these silly ideas out of your head.
You want to trade Monta and/or Biedrins to ATL? Your proposal is going to have to start with taking that outrageously laughably bad contract Joe Johnson has. Man that was such an obviously dumb move when they made it…
by Missing Barry on Jan 27, 2012 12:23 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
The deal has no grounds now, of course. In Atlanta’s mindset, they will have to give Josh Smith a new deal, which will cause the team to be near the cap. This will be for a core of 4 players that probably won’t get into the finals. They’re not exactly a free agent magnet either. Next season, Atlanta could face the same dilemma with Josh Smith as Orlando with Dwight Howard. But I digress, the trade does look like it has a low chance of happening.
Steph Curry’s strengths suggest that he trends toward the SG role, except he can’t defend his position. If you can get a 1 guard that can defend 2’s, then Curry can be a SG. Josh Smith’s position is debatable. Some people say he is played out of position at PF. Bottom line, he is known to be able to play both 3 and 4 depending on where you need him.
It’s also possible Atlanta can restructure by amnestying Johnson’s contract.
"You ever see a bumper sticker on a Maybach?" said by Warrior's rookie Charles Jenkins when an ESPN reporter asked why he had no tattoos.
Smith is ineffective at the 3. He’s a much better defender at PF, and playing wing on offense turns him into the stagnant, inefficient jump shooter he used to be. He’s not a good enough ball handler or quick enough to drive effectively against wings like he can against PF’s, nor is he a good enough shooter to be effective when he’s shooting a lot of long jumpers. As for Curry, the only thing about him that makes people call him a SG is his shooting ability. His ball handling, his vision, his size, his game…all PG.
by Missing Barry on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
there are contending teams that are going to need bigs down the stretch
that’s when we need to try to unload Beans
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
+1
Someone will likely go down
RIP Al Davis
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Someone will likely go down
hopefully, not Beans!
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Bogut?
but the only guy I could see us getting would be Ilysova
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 27, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Yup
Do they have any crappy 1 year guys we can deal Andris for?
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
For all the crap he gets for being a “bust” at #3 and being overpaid as a result, Marvin Williams actually isn’t a bad player. Exchanging the dead carcasses of Beans and Dorell for him would actually give us the most productive player of the three.
Marvin Williams per 36 this season:
14.6 points, 9.1 (!!!) rebounds, 1.8 assists to 1.1 turnovers, .406 3P%.
That contract though
But it’d be a solid trade that I’d pull the trigger on if we couldn’t clear cap for Beans
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
On the other hand, we’d be getting another wing and losing the only real C on the roster (no, I don’t count Tyler until he proves he’s an NBA caliber player). If it was setting us up to make moves in the future, it’d be one thing, but I don’t see how it does.
by Missing Barry on Jan 27, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Well this move wouldn’t be to improve us in the short term. I’ve already resigned to the fact that this isn’t a playoff team and that any minor “fix” wouldn’t be satisfying even it does miraculously push us into the 8th seed. The trade would give us greater cap flexibility though and hopefully makes us just bad enough to keep our pick when it forces Lee and/or Udoh to play extended minutes at center.
Marvins
Contract is just about the same as Biedrins.
What about Williams to the Kings, Garcia to the Warriors and Biedrins to the Hawks. Hawks get a center, kings move one of their 6 PG/SG’s for a 3 which they have one of, Warriors get a role player who would be an expiring after his team option is declined and its about 3 million less that Biens.
Bogut is hurt every year…and guess what? This year he has a fractured ankle.
Realistic options??
We need to move one of Ellis ,Lee or Biedrins…We should have traded Biens to the Rockets last year or amnestied him but we all know this.
We offer a huge contract to Hibbert and something decent to Batum. Second option is Brook Lopez.
I think Williams was given a front-loaded, mid-level contract when he signed his extension, which is much less than what Biedrins is being paid. Two years ago Williams was paid $7.5M; last season he was paid $6.1M. His salary is only going to keep decreasing.
I'd rather have Marvin, much more productive
And Garcia is a scrub who also has a unfavorable contract
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
Can we please give up on the idea of signing a restricted free agent? The only way to make it happen is to offer a contract so large the other team has no desire to pay the player that much….in which case, why would we want to pay him that much? Big contracts to guys like Hibbert and Brook Lopez? No thanks.
by Missing Barry on Jan 27, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
what about Harden?
he’s probably going to be a RFA – and OKC will have trouble giving him what the market will
I’d love to see a Curry/Harden backcourt
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
I would definitely like to have Harden on our team. Can’t see it happening, though. If OKC is really worried about losing him, they should trade him. I just don’t ever see letting a RFA walk as a good thing.
by Missing Barry on Jan 27, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
he’s probably going to be a RFA – and OKC will have trouble giving him what the market will
Will they? Unless they plan on giving Serge a mega-extension as well, they should be far enough under the tax to give Harden the money he wants.
Sergeand Perkins
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Marvin’s contact is still 3 years and about 7.25 per. Garcia is only 2 years and were done with it because it is a team option and not a player option.
by A's Nation on Jan 27, 2012 6:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Would Atlanta like to re-tool its roster?
you calling our players tools?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 27, 2012 10:57 PM PST reply actions
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