Rumor: Monta Ellis For Joakim Noah
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We can trade Biedrins for an expiring punch in the face
For all I care.
by tafkasam on Jan 30, 2012 7:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Sorry tafkasam but the punch has to agree to it as well and I don’t think he wants Beans.
by mrorangesoda on Jan 31, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
And why would Chicago do it?
Because they believe Asik can produce nearly the same level. Defensively they are nearly identical, Noah’s got more offensive game, but I assume that’s where Monta comes in.
watching asik as of late
his game is getting good. He seems really comfortable out there and his defense is pretty damn good. His free throw is better than noah and cheaper.
i would do this trade, but we need to get rid of beans.
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by bimmercirem3 on Jan 30, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
but we need to get rid of beans.
Totally, but reality is, we could have moved him for expirings.
If we did that, we’d have almost 18 mil to play with.
Gerald Wallace anyone? Eric Gordon anyone?
Curry, Rush, Wallace, Lee, Noah….. Klay, Dorell, Udoh. That team could actually defend and potentially score a bit too
oh wallace how i want you so bad but FO doesnt :(
since wallace didnt sign any extension, Im hoping we can get him this offseason. EG we can too, but if rush can start at the 2, then lets get wallace.
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by bimmercirem3 on Jan 30, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Well, obviously. The question is why on earth the Bulls would do it. Maybe to make room for Howard?
Is this actually a “rumor,” or just something some dude made up?
There will be no extra point!
Asik
Tibs loves him. The drop off is near nothing.
Defensively he might be better than Noah. Offensively, no, but presumeably thats what monta brings.
And simply put, they can’t afford to pay him and Noah (Asik is a free agent in 2012) and Noah’s injury risk makes the choice simple
Scary to think what Monta could do in a structured team clearly playing OFF of rose.
Offensively, that’s a nightmare.
They’d probably start him off the bench but whatever
since bulls are my alternate team...
:)
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by bimmercirem3 on Jan 30, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
this makes me question the legitimacy of the source
The latest trade rumor has the team making a move to acquire All-Star guard Monta Ellis in a move that would not only strengthen the team’s offense, but make them the favorite to win a title this year.
Monta isn’t an all-star.
And how does this make them the favorite to win a title?
Still, if possible, I would certainly do this trade
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 31, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
how does this make them the favorite to win a title?
Haha. Yeah, right now they’re at best third behind Miami and OKC. If a Noah-for-Monta swap moves the dial at all, it probably moves it downward.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 31, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Not with this guy patrolling the paint!
The difference between him and noah (to chicago) is small. The addition of Monta under a discipline coach with defined role, can mke them better.
The risk is big man depth, however there is a small chance they can keep Asik if Noah stays. He’s a free agent, someone will offer him money Chicago won’t match for a back up.
If we threw in Kwame for fillers, they’d take it. Kwame’s hurt but he’ll be healthy by playoff time to give them back up minutes.
The latest trade rumor has the team making a move to acquire All-Star guard Monta Ellis in a move that would not only strengthen the team’s offense, but make them the favorite to win a title this year.
Okay.. But who’s telling him this and Monta has never been on the AS team. Blog rumors, moving on
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there's another 'tell' that the piece is fictional
the stuff about how the front office has been displeased with Ellis going back a while and putting him on the trading block. No front office does things that way, unless they intend to erode their player’s market value.
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How quickly we forget the Cohan era.
by Lacob's Ladder on Jan 31, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
i like how the article refers to him as "All-Star guard Monta Ellis"
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Heck yeah
I’d do it, but I’m not gonna get my hopes up about another Monta Ellis rumor. It would be interesting to see Monta playing on a defensive minded contender. I think the Warriors get could by with a Rush/Klay rotation at SG, assuming Curry stays healthy and helps fill the scoring void.
Upgrade from Beans to Noah
Is like an upgrade from Law to CJ. Well… at least Noah is better than KBrown.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 30, 2012 8:06 PM PST reply actions
what are you talking about?
noah is good dude
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Why do I have a feeling this rumor originated from a Bleacher Report article?
by Pippen on Jan 30, 2012 8:06 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
yeah, look at the bottom of the article, “more from this author” nothing but trade rumors (without citation)
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 31, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
No shiiiiiiiz
but I won’t believe this until I see it from a more credible source, such as ESPN or MTII
noah cant be traded till march 1st lolol
GSW '12 CHAMPS!
watching rudy gay and the memphis grizzlies, i won't be surprised if the trade of monta was for Rudy Gay.
Curry will be ecstatic to play with Rudy Gay and could make this GSW a FA destination. But that ugly contract though…
so we trade monta for rudy gay, dump beans for expirings. Come Offseason, sign Eric Gordon. haha dream up!
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by bimmercirem3 on Jan 30, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely
That move makes the Warriors a much better team.
An Ellis/Rose backcourt?
Deadly.
GSW '12 CHAMPS!
The question is...
Can we then trade Noah for Howard afterwards? Else people here will complains about his big contract as soon as he join the team.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 30, 2012 8:54 PM PST reply actions
then what’s the point trading Monta for Noah?
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 30, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
he's a big that rebounds and plays solid d?
obviously
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
do you really think this is a bad trade?
Noah is a true center that hustles (and thus can play in a more up tempo system). He is a great defensive contributor and has a semi decent offensive game. We also unload Monta and Noah is a great trade chip later on :)
big contract?
guys who actually hustle like Noah earn their money.
Anyone catch the description "known malcontent"?
Monta is not a malcontent…he’s been the heart and soul of the team.
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Jan 30, 2012 9:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
malcontent? maybe with nellie for a short time
sounds like that guy has Monta all figured out, don’t get stock tips from that dude.
by Xtremelink on Jan 31, 2012 1:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, I saw that (but I think it’s a comment from someone, not the actual article)
…he’s been the heart and soul of the team.
yeah, although some might not be all that satisfied with the results of his efforts, there is no question that Monta has been extremely solid, through all sorts of team drama and questionable decision-making
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 31, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Like Noah for a run and gun team
but don’t think the bulls would do it as he was a big part of their success and Montay is not gonna get the volume of shots he wants with rose on that team. I think they could find a better fitting guard than Montay if they really want to move Noah.
I still think the best fit for Montay would be to work out something with Memphis where the local boy angle would pay dividends.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 30, 2012 9:52 PM PST reply actions
who would you like from the grizz?
by Xtremelink on Jan 31, 2012 1:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
who would you like from the grizz?
I’d like Gay but the Grizz are playin good so probably wouldn’t want to trade now unless we come up with an offer they can’t refuse or get another team involved that has someone they want too?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 31, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
but the Grizz are playin good
actually just looked at their record and they are not as good as I thought, only 10-10 so maybe they’d be open to change. maybe offer Montay, Binky, and Dre for Gay , Conley, and Gasol?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 31, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
Thats not happening
That trade is just riduculous and would never happen
by Oracle Junkie on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
That trade is just ridiculous and would never happen
Who knows? They might take Dre to get Montay and Binky who both have history back in that part of the country?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 31, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Me too. I was going to ban him till I realized he meant Rudy! ;-P
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 31, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
this isn't happening
until AFTER they get howard as a replacement. Without Noah they have no big man depth beyond asik… and Mirotic isn’t ready to come over yet.
Oh also Bulls are my alternate team… It’s not happening if Noah’s leaving it has to be for sure Howard replacement.
Yes do it...
Then make a move for Amare Stoudemire. He and Noah would be a beast frontline. Just surround Amare with some shooters and defenders (Wright, Rush, whoever we would still have) and we would be good. Amare can carry the team, we saw what he did last season by himself in Ny before he had Carmelo. Yes he had Gallinari and Felton, but he really did put the team on his back and carried them.
Carmelo Anthony is the most overrated player in the NBA
I'd rather go after Milsap than Amare.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
me too
I don’t know why people shoot down the notion of Ellis for Millsap. That looks like pure gold to me/
by eastbayglory on Jan 31, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Monta for Noah and curry for amare. How do get rid of d. Lee? Maybe a playoff team’s first rounder?
by Xtremelink on Jan 31, 2012 1:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Amare, no thanks
63 risky million dollars
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 AM PST up reply actions
If Chicago's offering that, I'd do it.
We need a roster shake up. I’m surprised that Chicago’s interested although they’ve been rumored to like Monta in the past. Gets us some legit size down low. Doesn’t affect the tank in either direction. Actually it’d make us better.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
4 years and almost fifty million? that is what noah is due
monta will opt out next year most likely
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:44 AM PST up reply actions
and if there is a reason for it?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:45 AM PST up reply actions
noah numbers are way off this year and were nothing special in the first place
Noah has four more years and almost $50,000,000.000 dollars due him. Why are his numbers so low this year and Noah reminds of beans. No thanks. Bulls are going to be screwed paying Noah and Boozer big money for years to come.
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theyre not way lower this year
he’s just playing less minutes because asik needs minutes too
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
They actually are a bit lower this year, at least with respect to scoring efficiency. But (a) small sample size; and (b) it’s precisely the slight dip in numbers that might make a steal of a deal like Monta-for-Noah at least somewhat imaginable. Buy low, as they say. Noah’s not yet 27, and his production for the past three years has been very consistent and very good.
The comparison to Biedrins is just silly. Yeah, he’s Biedrins … if Biedrins still had heart, a great motor, loads of passion for the game, and the ability to get to the line occasionally and hit his free throws. Basically, the 2006-08 version of Biedrins, with a decent FT stroke. Given the dearth of serviceable centers in this league, that’s probably worth $12.5M a year (or if you prefer, 4/$50,000,000.00000000000000000000). And it’s almost certainly worth more than Monta Ellis.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 31, 2012 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
true, but scoring efficiency is down around the whole league this year
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Basically, the 2006-08 version of Biedrins, with a decent FT stroke.
completely different players, but similar production.
Still think Noah brings a lot more on defensive end. And he can post up. However he doesn’t have athleticism, Biedrins had/has(?) and the easy buckets off cuts and PnR’s he got.
Noah would bring more to our team than the 2007-8 biedrins, because of his ability to instigate offense (they run a lot of sets thru him in the post) and his post moves, where as that Biedrins is made to be a team in OKC or Miami who is basically looking for high-production garbage man inside.
If this were real, obviously, we’d take it. But Monta and Rose back court? That’d be AWFUL defensively. They should trade Noah for Rudy Gay and leave Monta here, if they’re smart.
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What's wrong with a Monta/Rose backcourt?
It’s unguardable. Rose is probably the best penetrator in NBA not named Lebron. (However unlike LEbron, he’s always attacking). Rose is a natural PG, who seems to be getting more and more control every game (less wild, fewer TOs).
Monta playing off a guy who commands attention like Rose, is unfair. Who’s going to guard Monta 1 v. 1?
The bulls have used Rose/Watson combo and Rose/Korver combo in backcourt a bit. You can’t tell me either are better than Monta.
they are an excellent defensive team. I Imagine Monta would come off the bench and they’d stagger rotation to where Rose/Monta combo is seeing about 15-17 minutes a night. Not bad at all.
Besides Chicago needs another weapon
Besides Chicago needs another weapon
they probably need their center worse.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 31, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
who's going to guard Monta 1v.1?
Um, Tony Allen?
Sorry, could not help it.
Actually, I really like this move for the Bulls. Been some talk about Monta being a great sixth man off the bench. He can fill a lot of holes for Bulls, he can back up Rose, he can be instant offense off the bench, he creates for others more than people here admit, he can help them outrun the tired legs of NY and other eastern teams.
I like the move for the Warriors too, Lee and Noah front court, if both play with the fire and passion I’ve seen from both at times, can be a formidable duo on both ends.
by Togna Balogna on Jan 31, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
but the Bulls would be willing to trade their starting center for a 6th man?
ok, yeah, I’ve read that the Bulls are pretty high on Asik, but he’s still behind Noah on the depth chart. And what’s behind him?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 31, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
, I’ve read that the Bulls are pretty high on Asik, but he’s still behind Noah on the depth chart
yeah ,IIRC he was playing like 18 minutes per game?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 31, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
looks like Asik is around 16 mpg…Noah is about 28.5 mpg
I think they may be “high” on Asik as a prospect, but Noah is still one of their cornerstones…unless maybe they are starting to get worried about his contract..?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 31, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Rarely do I see a trade where I think, wow that's legitimately good for BOTH sides, but this is yet.
Chicago desires a 2nd offensive option who can create and ease pressure on Rose.
Typically I’d say trading your starting center, one of better ones in nba, is a horrible idea, but they happen to hit the jackpot having a replacement behind him. Asik is defensively every bit as good as Noah, and possibly better. He’s been playing better.
And we get that elusive center we’ve been craving. We can now dump Biedrins, and hopefully, use cap space to sign a wing. Batum, sounds nice.
Curry, Rush, Batum, Lee, Noah sounds really nice and young. With Klay, Dorell, Udoh and possibly resigning Kwame. I like that
I still think that that is a mediocre lineup
I’d rather do the following:
Move Ellis for Kamen + protected first rounder
Move Kamen at trade deadline to a contender for a 1st rounder + contract.
Move Andris at trade deadline to a contender for an 1st rounder
See if we can move Lee, but probably cant
have 4 first round picks to rebuild or trade with during the off season.
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Just build around
Curry/Klay…maybe trade for Cousins…draft best players available.
We will have a ton of cap space and talent to rebuild.
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It's a mediocre lineup depending on how plays develop
Ultimately, that team goes as far as curry takes them.
Batum, is an awesome player in my opinion. You’re talking about a guy who turned 23 a month ago, who’s volume and efficiency has increased every year. He defends multiple positions well, he can shoot, penetrate etc.
16.3 pp36, .584 ts%, 5.9 rp36, DR of 100.
At 23, he will be attainable if Portland re-upp Wallace.
Noah fills a need at a reasonable price, and perfect age. Centers are hard to find. Minus Orlando, most every team would take Noah at 12 a year.
Lee will play better with Noah, and we’ll be better defensively. Who knows what Klay does but i think at least we got a guy who can score at a reasonable volume, on good efficiency, and can shoot the lights out. Good passer too.
And then you got Steph. Everything starts and ends with him.
If Kaman was wortha 1st rounder straight up
then why wouldn’t New Orleans just make that move?
The answer? He isn’t. Neither is Andris.
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This might be GENIUS by Chicago
Asik has been outperforming Noah on both ends of the floor.
2011/12-
Asik- 7.9 pp36, 12.3 rp36, 1.1 ap36, 2.7 bp36, .515 TS%, 91 defensive rating (wow)
Noah- 10.8 pp36, 11.8, rp36, 2.8 ap36, 1.5 bp36, .532ts%, 95 defensive rating
CAREER-
Asik- 8.2 pp36, 11.5 rp36, 1.1 ap36, 2.2 bp36, .547TS%, 96 defensive rating
Noah- 11.7 pp36, 11.5 rp36, 2.3 ap36, 1.8 bp36, .564 ts%, 101 defensive rating
Asik is a superior defender. Noah offers more on offense, however Asik is slightly younger and full of potential.
Tibs seems to think highly of him.
The more I think about this
Ellis for Noah would be the best case scenario for moving Ellis. Ship him out east. Get that relatively young center that complements Lee (cause we’re stuck with Lee for a bit). Put the ball in Steph’s hands, move Rush into the starting line-up next to him. It’d be a dream if we could make a run for Wilson Chandler in early March. Could finish the year strong and really look nice for 12-13.
This would be ridiculous:
Stephen Curry / Nate Robinson
Brandon Rush / Klay Thompson
Wilson Chandler / Dorell Wright
David Lee / Ekpe Udoh
Joakim Noah / Kwame Brown
I’m not sure about “ridiculous,” but yeah, that that looks like a solid, tough, well-structured, well-balanced, properly sized team.
OK, yeah … by Warriors’ standards that probably does amount to ridiculous. :-)
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 31, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Personally, I'd rather have batum than Chandler
Anyway, I think if Klay develops a bit, that’s a team with a bit more trade value/potential to make the inevitable ‘big move’ we need to.
If Curry develops the way we all want him to, and assume he would without Monta, would you think Curry, Rush, Batum, Lee, Noah, Jenkins, Klay, Dorell, Udoh, Kwame(?) is worse than Denver or Portland? Two teams without actual superstars but depth and play as a team?
hahaha
yeah, I geuss the bar has been set exceedingly low around here.
I really wouldn’t mind this trade, and I guess the proposed lineup is ok (I’m not sold that Rush is a starting-quality player)
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
This would be ridiculous:
then why do it?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 31, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Monta needs to be traded so bad
has he said anywhere that he needs to be traded?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 31, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
No way Bulls trade Noah
Bigs are a rare commodity in this league, esp if they can defend and rebound with consistency. We keep bringing up how Asik is outperforming, but who are you guys kidding? He doesn’t do it on a nightly basis and his role is defined. He’s a great backup and provides depth if Noah were to go down with an injury.
The Bulls are a great team as it is…why would they break up a good thing? Monta would definitely help them but I see him as their 6th man, not a a starter. He would spell Rip or Brewer as the first guy off the bench and would fill in the offensive punch when Rose is off the floor. But with out a presence in the middle that Noah provides, no way this team is as successful as it is now. Paxson won’t do it.
If he did bite, awesome deal for the Dubs.
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I would do it without thinking twice. I see no reason for the Bulls to do it. First, it’s generally not a good idea to trade big for small. Second, opportunity cost matters. Even if it’s not that unfair of a trade, that doesn’t make it the best trade available to the Bulls. What if they offer up some package centered around Asik and Noah to the Magic for Howard? No, the Magic aren’t getting fair value, but it might be a competitive offer and it’s definitely better than nothing. Ultimately, trading Noah for Monta would be a last option kinda move for the Bulls, and one they’d wait to do…
I should just find your comments on these trades and write "ditto"
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
I'd do it in a heartbeat for Asik or Noah, obviously
Chicago isn’t stupid, though
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
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The Bulls coach is a defensive specialist, the last thing he wants is to bring Monte in there to mess up the defensive rotation.
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