The Rising Dilemma of Golden State
I have previously showed my enthusiasm for the current Golden State backcourt of Stephen Curry & Monta Ellis and do firmly believe that they can be very successful given the right team philosophy, players and coaches. I wrote a post about this when Nellie was still here. But a lot of people/analysts insist it just cannot work in the long term.
I believe most people will agree that Stephen Curry is better suited to play the Point Guard position and Monta Ellis is better suited at the Shooting Guard spot. That isn't to say that they can't play the reverse but so far, the way the backcourt has been set has been the most optimal lineup. Previously, many people have blasted Monta after Baron Davis left for not being a good PG and looking more like a Scoring Guard. Monta's assists dipped slightly and people compared him to Gilbert Arenas for being a black hole. That was fair to critique since Monta he wasn't used to playing PG all the time which is why the GS Warriors ended up drafting Stephen Curry who seemed to have more potential at playing PG.
I don't know what to make of Stephen Curry in his third NBA season. He has had brilliant flashes but he took such a huge leap forward his rookie year that since then, his steps forward haven't been as spectacular. Yes, he is still young and is learning probably the toughest position in the NBA. Being compared to Steve Nash should be an honor but also discouraging because should he not reach that level then people might see him as not living up to his potential. It should also be noted that Steve Nash took several NBA seasons before he started averaging about 7+ APG.
With this in mind, us Golden State fans have had a dilemma ever since drafting Curry; to either build around Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry or trade one of them. It seems like most people have decided Monta should leave. But I disagree now more than ever.
The need to trade one of these players is most definitely now and here is why. For a while now Stephen Curry has been considered our most valuable trade asset because his potential as a PG is believed to be better than Monta's. As such he was considered in the Chris Paul trade, Rajon Rondo trade and even now in J.A. Adande's article including a Russel Westbrook trade. However and unfortunately, as we have seen this season and last, Stephen Curry, through no fault of his own, simply cannot stay on the court this year. He is turning into the next Andrew Bynum in that he is great when on the court, but never on the court due to his injuries. Seeing Curry injure his ankle today, on his own, against the San Antonio Spurs just emphasized the need to do something fast.
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Essentially, Stephen Curry's stock is dropping every time he re-injures his right ankle, 2 times in 6 games this season while Monta's stock is rising.
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Monta is currently playing excellent basketball. He showed he could carry the Warriors without Stephen Curry against the New York Knicks, Curry couldn't against the Philadelphia 76ers which shows resolve in Monta's game. Today, against the Spurs we saw them both play well together, but Monta by himself almost beat the Spurs in the end. He is averaging 8.5 APG this early season, is the 2nd highest non-PG player in assists per game after LeBron James and has shown he is clutch player. He can play PG but is most effective playing as an off-ball SG. Scouts have definitely noticed this. The question is whether Monta can keep this up not only all season but also while in his prime. Well, we shouldn't wait.
When selling stocks, you want to sell when high and if your stock is dropping uncontrollably, then sell quickly to minimize your losses.
Stephen Curry's right ankle seems unlikely to ever heal fully; he can sit out a couple games and likely have it re-injured later again or he can sit out for many games to come back later with our playoff goals out of reach again. He had surgery on the right ankle this longer than usual off-season but to no avail. The front office cannot build around a player who is going to have the same lingering injury seemingly for his career, they simply cannot. The lesser of the two evils (Curry's right ankle or inefficient Point Guard Monta) to play the PG spot for the GS Dubs is Monta Ellis, he may not be as good in the PG spot as Curry but at least he can stay on the court (unless of course he decides to ride a moped again).
There have been many potential trade scenarios for Monta Ellis but here are some for Stephen Curry. Monta's contract is easier to trade because it is larger and thus more creative options. Curry is in the second to last year of his rookie contract which is difficult because when healthy, he is worth more than the $3+ million he makes this year.
Assuming Monta moves to play PG, here are just a few that don't seem completely unrealistic to me, you will all have to decide that.
1) Stephen Curry + Ekpe Udoh for Russel Westbrook
Westbrook and Durant seem to be clashing a bit. Westbrook's defense will improve our perimeter D and we will still have an explosive backcourt. Curry's much better shooting and deference to Durant helps OKC overall and spreads the floor.
Not good enough? J.A. Adande's take:
2) Stephen Curry + Andris Biedrins = Josh Smith
Hawks have been looking real good so far, but prior to the season have been looking for new life potentially in a roster shakeup. Hawks have been looking for a PG for a while, though Jeff Teague has been stepping up. With Andris Biedrins as a Hawk, it moves Al Horford to his natural PF position. Warriors get a much needed athletic boost to their front line.
3) Stephen Curry for Evan Turner
Kind of a gamble but Turner is a legit shooting guard with size, who just needs time. I believe Steph Curry would be an upgrade over Jrue Holiday. Evan Turner and Klay Thompson = Warriors set at the SG spot for a decade.
4) Stephen Curry for DeMarcus Cousins
Probably wouldn't happen for a variety of reasons (divisional rivals). Curry on the Kings would make Tyreke move to a much more natural SG position. Tyreke has been struggling to produce his rookie 20-5-5 numbers. Warriors get a huge, talented, potential-full, giant immature baby with Rasheed Wallace like skills. I'm sure he would love the bay.
5) Stephen Curry + David Lee for Andre Iguodala
For some reason Andre Iguodala to the Warriors has been discussed a lot, so if not Monta then who? I'd be willing to part with David Lee for Iggie.
6) Stephen Curry for Greg Monroe
Rodney Stuckey is not the future for the Pistions at the PG spot. Greg Monroe could be a fairly efficient scoring Center and his stats so far for only being in his 2nd year are impressive.
7) Stephen Curry for Ryan Anderson + Daniel Orton
Ryan Anderson is an emerging spread the floor PF, plays like Al Harrington but a slightly better rebounder and has potential. He would force bigs to commit to him at the 3 pt line meaning better driving lanes for Monta. He has been ballin so far. Daniel Orton would be a throw in. Stephen Curry is a better shooter than Jameer Nelson and probably a craftier passer.
8) Stephen Curry for DeMarr DeRozan and James Johnson
I believe Toronto would do this trade though I don't know why. DeRozan would be able to keep up with Monta Ellis on the break and is a good finisher around the rim.
9) Stephen Curry for Eric Gordon
Monta Ellis and Eric Gordon?? I don't know if it would even work but it just looks good. The Hornets, I believe need a PG more so than a SG since they have plenty of big men who could become pick n roll bigs. Eric Gordon is as tall as Monta but plays much better defense, one could potentially trade Monta later on for a pure PG.
10) Stephen Curry for Tiago Splitter
Big men always take longer to develop than other players. The Spurs have always drafted well and find diamonds in the rough as we've seen with Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. They regard Splitter highly and Tony Parker isn't going to be there much longer especially if Tim Duncan retires.
Again, it may seem as if I'm looking to trade Curry for anything but its not true. I have written other posts stating how a Curry-Ellis backcourt could work and I prefer having this elite backcourt than any of the trades started. But this constant injury to Curry is frustrating and we have to base things off of facts and in the best interest of the organization. Something has to be done before the value of our two best players goes down. I'm hoping Nike does come through with a shoe that will help stabilize Curry's right foot soon. One can only hope.
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I hate nearly all those trades except the one for Josh Smith
Sorry but they just aren’t good. When offered CP3 for Curry you don’t go down to Tiago Splitter. I’d rather take my chances with Curry honestly. See if Rondo is still on the table, maybe LAL gives up on DH12 and deals Bynum here for the PG they need.
RIP Al Davis
I suppose
But it wasn’t Curry for CP3 straight up, and I didn’t wanna be too creative throwing in Curry, Udoh, Thompson, a 1st round pick and all that.
Rondo worked with Curry and Beans, but they wont trade Rondo till after this season earliest i think, Boston giving it that one last chance stuff
I make love to pressure - Stephen Jackson
They tried to put me in a BOX - Stephon Marbury
you don't sell that low on a top 15 PG
all those trades are horrendous. With his injury you don’t trade him when he is already injured otherwise the best value you will get is like one of those trades there… there is a better chance that he heals with our group than we get good value for him if we trade him now…
and whoever rec'd this
is insane. He goes down and everyone has this massive knee-jerk reaction like “TRADE NOW”… do you think if something’s broken (not saying that Curry is broken) someone else wants it and values it any more than you do?
I sincerely doubt Curry's value is currently high enough to be the centerpiece of any of those trades.
We’d have to give up someone else, and basically throw Curry in. Unfortunately, anyone who has followed this team this year knows that Curry’s ankle has already given out three times this year. GM’s will avoid that like he’s radioactive.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
+1
"The way I do it is I tell the athletic trainers the instant pain I feel and this is the worst it has been" - Steph Curry on his ankle 1/4/2012
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 5, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Every point you made...
was a point made that supports trading Monta Ellis….Why the hell would you trade low on a top 5 pg in Steph Curry? Ridiculous man…I disagree that a trade needs to be made RIGHT NOW with one of these two…why? We aren’t contending for anything anytime soon…there is no rush…poeple need to relax and let Curry heal….let Monta continue to build his value.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jan 5, 2012 11:17 AM PST reply actions
The NBA circa 2004.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 8, 2012 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
NBA..planet earth..
Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Russel Westbrook, Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash, and Steph Curry are the best point guards in the game…….out of those 7…Nash is too old, Curry is better than Rondo for sure (even Boston knows this and tried to pawn Rondo off for Curry), and I’d take Steph over Russel Westbrook any day of the week…Westbrook is not a distributor and is suited much better for SG…..so you got Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Rose, Steph Curry, Steve Nash, Russ Westbrook, and Rajon Rondo….sorry, I misspoke…he’s a top 4 pg.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jan 8, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
No love for Tony Parker? Ty Lawson? Jrue Holiday? Kyle Lowry? All guys I think should at least get a mention.
In future years, look out for Rubio, Wall and Kyrie, too.
by Missing Barry on Jan 8, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
no doubt..you listed some very good point guards..
but would you consider trading curry straight up for any of them if contracts didn’t matter? Right now, the only guy that would make me hesitate and really consider it is Rubio but I still think Curry is currently better than him. There are many guys on this list that can surpass Curry.
I know that Curry’s ankle makes things murkier…but a panic trade can be absolutely devastating. I’ve said it so many times. We are not contending anytime soon. Curry is the franchise’s most valuable asset and has a very high ceiling (I believe it is a Nash-like ceiling). Shut him down for as long as it takes…if it requires season-ending surgery, lets get him in the operating room tomorrow. This win-now mentality is illogical given the circumstances and makeup of this roster.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jan 8, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Wall, Rubio, and maybe Irving would all make me think. Holiday would be a fair trade, I think, maybe Lawson, as well – but fair doesn’t mean I’d do it. I like Curry, so why swap him for another similar guy, you know?
by Missing Barry on Jan 9, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
if you're talking about right now
nash is still clearly better. if you’re talking about the future, you need to look out for the players that MB mentions above.
btw...those trades made me barf...
Stephen Curry for Tiago Splitter??? WTF
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jan 5, 2012 11:18 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow
Most of that is pretty bad. I’d take the Westbrook and Gordon trades at this point. Definitely not any of the other ones. I’m all for playing Monta at the 1 and Gordon at the 2. I dunno….
Funny....
how a couple of sprained ankles can completely freak out a fanbase.
Yeah
When three ankle sprains come in rapid succession over a two week period AFTER a summer of surgery and rehab and AFTER the same thing happened to the same ankle last year…you kinda get the impression there’s a more serious issue than just simple sprains.
Besides, Curry is a major piece to our puzzle. Without him right now, the Warriors are significantly not as good.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Lol at how you set it up to make it seem like we should trade Monta Ellis…and then blindside us with ten Curry trades.
Criticizing Curry for not being able to win a game alone is a bad move
5 or 6 years ago, no one would have made an arguement like that. The PG is on the floor to run the team and get everyone going on offense or exploit te defense. Considering the Warriors lack of offensive firepower right now, there is very little to criticize Curry for when he is on the floor. (sidebar: he should not even be playing right now. His lack of lateral movement will force him to reach on defense and our lack of offense will force him to make bad plays trying to figure out who to go to because he is not going to beat many people off the dribble)
Yes Curry was a scorer in college, but that is a different game. We should think of him more like a John Stockton with deeper range now. He may never be that type of passer, but that will never be his fault. The failure falls on the FO for failing to give him a legit scoring player to work the pick and roll with.
Monta is our only valuable trade asset with the failure to wipe Biedrins off the books in amnesty.
The trades suggested are simple, in my opinion realistic trades.
Making up a Curry for Dwight Howard trade, Deron Williams or who ever else at that level would be too complicated to configure, especially if there’s a third team involved. The trades suggested are assuming that other NBA GMs know Stephen Curry has frequent ankle injuries thus lowering his value.
I make love to pressure - Stephen Jackson
They tried to put me in a BOX - Stephon Marbury
The rising dilemna is GSW is
How do we get an elite player and keep him.
Everything else is irrelevant.
Baby steps tafk, baby steps..
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
by qin on Jan 6, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing Stephen Curry has in common with Andrew Bynum is foul rate.
Your fanpost definitely supports trading Monta more than Curry, and possibly both of them. Monta’s assists so far in the season have been great, but might be too high to sustain for him. Definitely a sell high candidate. Conversely, Curry being hurt with what is looking like it might be a recurring ankle injury kills his trade value. You aren’t looking at a talent for talent swap. No, you’re looking at a team looking to basically take a flier on Curry like he was T-Mac or something. I think that trading Monta right now might be able to get you $1.10 on the dollar and trading Curry gets you 50 cents.
I heard he doesn't like music.
let's not do anything
sit Curry for the season, hope we don’t play above expectations, and draft Anthony Davis
;)
It's abundantly clear that one of our big three doesn't have great synergy with the other two.
Kind of makes it obvious which one it makes the most sense to trade.
That being said, the claim that big men take longer to develop is not true. Curry for Splitter is a horrible trade. :)

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