Adrian Wojnarowski on KNBR
(Link added!)Everything with Dwight Howard revolves around what the lakers do. If they are all in (Bynum), Orlando will take that deal. If they decide its not worth it... its wide open.
Dwight wants brooklyn because it'll give him a huge Adidas deal and believes between him and Deron Williams, they could get pieces to be a contender. However the bay area is a big market and could guarantee same deal, more marketing opportunities so Warriors are a legitimate suitor.
Woj went on to say, bay area is a huge untapped market because of digital age, all the digital media in SF and being front of it. Lots of marketing opportunities in bay area and globally cause of it. NBA players have been at forefront of whole twitter/facebook thing, and it's only a matter of time before Warriors utilize it as a huge tool to attract players.
New orleans wanted curry over Eric Gordon. Warriors weren't willing to go rental on Paul, however they will be willing to go rental on Howard.
Interesting stuff. I've personally been mentioning the whole digital media factor, being something Warriors can take advantage of.
Here's to hoping Bynum continue's averaging 23 and 16!
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But really, it’s ridiculous how no team has truly tapped into marketing opportunities in bay. You do realize the bay area is one of few economically thriving area’s in US. All the tech/digital media companies keep growing…
Who is the biggest athlete in the Bay Area? Name the endorsements said athlete has.
“Dwight wants brooklyn because it’ll give him a huge Adidas deal "
No doubt Brooklyn will make him bigger than San Fran can. The thing ppl are really saying when talking about the Bay’s untapped marketing potential is the Asian population and their love for basketball. I dont get how a athlete can tap that market myself. Sure we have silicon valley and EA Sports aswell as 2K sports and twitter and facebook but its hard to penetrate those opportunities unless Lacob is willing to use his juice to line up deals for a guy before he gets here.
I dont get how a athlete can tap that market myself. Sure we have silicon valley and EA Sports aswell as 2K sports and twitter and facebook but its hard to penetrate those opportunities unless Lacob is willing to use his juice to line up deals for a guy before he gets here.
you answered your own question there. All those companies are funded by VC’s Lacob and his investors have been involved in. It’s certainly not improbable.
It’s also a new industry, so it really hasn’t been tapped anywhere near it’s potential.
Interesting angle to use, to say the least.
No doubt Brooklyn will make him bigger than San Fran can.
not necessarily true. Bay Area is a big market in terms of sales.
They don’t care about who they sell to, just that it sells.
NYC, La, Chicago, Bay Area, Boston, Dallas (in that order) would be market size in US for them.
They’d prefer having an athlete represented in bay area than orlando or majority of rest of country.
Taf, when David Lee was in NY he had 1 of the top 5 selling jerseys in the NBA. That cant happen in San Fran. Its not even close in terms of marketability. I’d say Tim Lincecum is the biggest athlete in the Bay in terms popularity and I think we could both agree that if he was the best player on a team that won a world series in NY he would have waaaaaaaay more marketing opportunities than he has had here. Imagine how big Steph would be in NYC.
top selling jersey doesn't mean top endorsements
It can, but you’re thinking too old school. There are a lot of ways to get endorsement deals.
Like you said, Lacob and Guber need to be pretty creative, but I am confident in what’s possible with all digital media out here.
Your forgetting to mention that David Lee was the main person in NY at that time. Was Nate Robinson or Stephon Marbury on that top 5 list? Lebron James had one of top selling jerseys when he was in Cleveland but you didn’t mention that. And your basis of the whole Asian Population, I did not know one Asian friend who bought a Lin jersey when he was with the Warriors. It’s all about star power in the NBA, not about what city is better at marketing. LA has Kobe Bryant whose jersey is selling but how is the Steve Blake jersey selling? And c’mon man, everyone knows Chicago got on the map because of Michael Jordan. We all became fans of Chicago because of Jordan.
by mrorangesoda on Jan 6, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not cause of NY, cause of the team he was on
The Knicks are a polarizing team in any market
RIP Al Davis
when you're the best player on a team, you're going to sell jerseys
it’s as simple as that. he doesn’t sell jerseys here because he is not the best player
tmac sold more jerseys in toronto than he will at atlanta
does that mean that toronto has more endorsement opportunities than atlanta?
Still dont get your point. Lamarcus Aldridge dont sell alotta jerseys. Think about it, if his jersey was in the top 5 in the NBA that means he sold more than alot of guys that were the stars of their teams and a bigger star in the league than he was.
He's not really that recognizable
He’s good but he wasn’t named as an all star and isn’t exciting to watch so he doesn’t really sell
RIP Al Davis
Have you ever been to the NBA store in NYC?
Knicks stuff is the most advertised. There were Lee jerseys just like they’re Lebron jerseys. It’s a Knick thing.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 6, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
Well Knicks fans are ridiculous, any sort of decent player there will have tons of sales from Knicks fans
And the Nets will always be 2nd fiddle to the Knicks
RIP Al Davis
Tim Lincecum?
McFadden? Seymour? Willis? Gore? Vernon Davis?
They all have big deals with huge companies
RIP Al Davis
Every 1 of those guys can walk in a Mall in Nebraska without being asked for a autograph. Those guys dont have many endorsements at all. Steph has a deal with Nike but its not like its a deal that gives him his own shoe or commercial. Its different degrees of sports marketing.
Michelle Obama went inside a Target, pushed her cart through aisle, shopped around and not get asked for any picture taken or autograph… in Washington DC
by mrorangesoda on Jan 6, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're underselling the marketing opportunity of silicon valley and digital media
It’s SO untapped.
It’s also a very hard selling point to an athlete, because it’s a type of endorsement/marketing appeal that really hasn’t been done before. So from that perspective, until we get 1, and prove he can make ALOT, they’ll remain skeptical.
And yes, if you want to bring race into it, the fact the bay area is asian heavy does help. Asian americans love basketball. I think I saw a study which showed it was most popular sporti n that community. Of all american sports (not soccer), basketball is most popular among all immigrant groups because it’s easy to watch and everyone can play it. So yes, you can market a legitimate superstar in bay area market and he’d make millions.
but eitherway the point of using tech companies and digital media companies is to market globally. Which (with the internet) they can do.
I once thought those markets in the Bay you speak of was untapped. But then I thought about it, what company in the Bay needs to align itself with a athlete to sell more product or bring more attention to it? 2K sports can use whoever they want to market their product, EA sports dont even make hoop games anymore, twitter dont even advertise commercially neither does facebook. What companies are their besides maybe a few startups that can afford or would want to use Dwight to bring consumer awareness?
yeah but coke/pepsi, bud/coors, nike/adidas don’t really need to bring consumer awareness yet they still spend more dollars marketing/advertising than anyone.
Tiger was sponsored by nike, gatorade, gillet etc., but who was his biggest sponsor? Accenture.
If you’re asking me personally, I am not 100% sure, but their is too much money in this area. Also Dwights about as marketable a guy as their is in the NBA. I haven’t seen a man, women, child of any background (wealthy, poor, black, white whatever) who doesn’t like him.
I do think it’s a bit shortsided to think companies like twitter/facebook…. google/yahoo/etc. won’t start dipping into sponsoring athletes, musicians whoever as spokesman. They have a lot of money, and while they are doing great they always want to dip into new markets.
You can’t deny Dwight’s the type of guy who can dip into all sorts of different markets, more so than say Tim Tebow, who is so polarizing, loved by some, and hated/disregarded by others.
cont'd
Their is an opportunity. I got to imagine, Lacob/Guber and co. put a little more thought into how than I just did before pulling the trigger, lol
Every sneaker or athletic clothing line is fueled by a elite athlete endorsing it. Even Nike has to have the best ball player of every sport endorsing it. Its the lifeblood of the company. The same way a clothing line marketed to a particular demographic needs to align itself with a opinion influencer of celebrity status. Jimmy Choo needs to align itself with the Kim Kardashian’s or the chics from Sex and the city. Im saying name some Bay Area based companies that would want or need DH to sell its merch.
The wildcard is Guber’s connection’s to hollywood. That would be the difference maker to a guy that wants to be in film.
Well he'd still be with his big name companies so it's not like he's abandoning anything
Just adding onto what he has
RIP Al Davis
So you don’t think tech companies which still haven’t infiltrated many markets across the globe wouldn’t want an elite, marketable athlete like Dwight Howard?
Jimmy Choo didn’t need Kim Kardashian to be a millionaire. His brand was already elite before Kardashian wore a pair. He used Kardashian to go main stream and sell in strip malls as opposed to only expensive high end boutiques.
Theirs way too much going on in tech industry to not make major money thru endorsement and spokesman deals, especially since 90% of it is still in infancy. At some point facebook will start charging for certain services, and thats just one example.
Im saying good luck convincing Dwight of that, if im him id ask the Warriors 1 simple question, “If its that many opportunites in the Bay for me why havent any been given to Steph Curry?”.
Why wouldn't you trade Monta for Dwight then?
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 7, 2012 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
Higher chance DH12 would stay
He’s wanted to play with Monta and said so publicly. Let him have who he wants so he stays, if that means we take Big baby in the trade we take big baby for example
RIP Al Davis
Cmon man.
We both know why you would trade Steph before Monta. I know you have an emotional bond with Monta. I get that.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 7, 2012 2:19 AM PST up reply actions
Sure I like him better
But were talking about DH12…. DWIGHT HOWARD
Bias goes out the door when DH12 is brought into the picture and he has said he wants to be with Monta. That is enough to make me want to keep Monta no matter what in a DH12 scenario
RIP Al Davis
See your bias isn't out the window.
He said he’d like the Magic to bring in Monta…
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 7, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Cause he wants to play with him
How is the biased here? You do what DH says in order to keep him, he wants Monta so you keep Monta. This isn’t about me
And what about your biased? You are willing to deal Monta cause you don’t like him even though DH12 wants to be with him to hold onto your boy Curry. I want what DH12 wants, you just want to keep Curry and deal Monta any way you can
RIP Al Davis
It dont matter, you have to have 1 example of those marketing opportunities. DH thinks highly of Monta, he could look at Monta and think “Damn dude dont even have a shoe deal” knowing if he was in NY he never woulda signed to and 1 because Nike woulda swished him up.
he thinks highly of morrow too
you think he’s saying “Damn dude don’t even have a shoe deal” even though he’s in NJ?
Monta is not marketable
Too much of an accent, unappealing tats to the masses , this new lawsuit, moped gate etc.
RIP Al Davis
To a broad national audience?
He’s got a lot of baggage already, the tats, and like dubzfan said, the accent is just something that won’t go over well with everyone.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Allen Iverson was the most influencial player in the game for a good 10 years and he had hella tats.
He was on a winning team for one
And he had a much more different style, he played the game like it was a street game and had some of the best moves ever . The guy was a hall of famer, Monta is not near that. And he had many haters as well cause people thought he was a punk
Also he had a much more open personality ten Monta, Monta doesn’t like the media and interviews while AI always was famous for those
RIP Al Davis
I disagree. Monta and AI play the game the same way. If Monta stays on course he’ll have a better career than Iverson had.
AI was the best player on a finals team
Monta , at least not yet (or maybe ever) isn’t at that point
Monta is a quick small score but AI had a different style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyjzoD8FosM
So many fancy and flashy hesitations and crosses , Monta has flash but not like this
RIP Al Davis
Monta is a better and more willing passer tho. If Monta stays on this pace for 5-7 more seasons he’ll be a hall of famer.
rofl...
how many 0 time all stars are in the hall of fame?
Doesn't Willis have his own under shirt type thing?
And it’s not as easy for FB players to have there name on something since there most obvious equipment is pads and a helmet.
RIP Al Davis
Okay lets go with a current dub, Steph Curry is the most marketable athlete I’ve seen in the NBA. He’s not threatening, only 1 tattoo that you cant even see on TV, comes from good stock, has a baby face, and is 1 of the best players at his position. If players around the league were to see him get showered with endorsements it would entice them to believe they could have the same if they were to sign here. Steph is willing to tap those markets many say are open here yet they havent been presented.
He's not the most marketable cause he's not that great
He’s a top 10 PG but still not really amazing like most heavily marketed players are
RIP Al Davis
He has that star appeal.
And probably would be one without these ankle injuries.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 7, 2012 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
All Steph needs is a playoff appearance, all star appearance etc. and his endorsements will run wild
He’ll be a league posterboy.
But you really can’t market someone heavily like Dwight, Lebron, Kobe, Rose etc. if he hasn’t done that yet.
Right, but he's proven nothing
NBA is desperate for Steph to break out an be an all-star, but until then he really can’t get top level endorsement deals.
If you can get Dwight, you have to go for it. If he leaves, then he leaves, but you have to at least take that leap of faith if you ever want to be anything but mediocre.
Yeah, I’m basically of that mind too. I think 50 games of Dwight plus even a 1% shot at an extension is worth more than our whole mediocre team put together. Curry’s the only one who I can imagine slightly regretting dumping for a rental.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 6, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
What I fear
We blow it up for Dwight.
He walks.
Lacob decides instead of embracing pure suckage and playing draft, he max contracts Roy Hibbert
you think?
I think he’ll get 5/60 like horford, noah. Something in that realm.
He’s restricted anyway so they’ll just match an opposing offer.
I think a team will offer the max he could get and Indy will match. When you look at the Center landscape its obvious he’s 1 of the best.
I could totally see someone overpaying for him
But I’m not certain it’ll come near the max.
Just looking at it. Knicks, Bulls, Lakers, Denver, Clip are set. Miami, NJ, Atlanta, OKC, Portland, capped out.
The only suitors I see are Boston, Dallas, and I don’t think Cuban would max Hibbert. Not certain on Boston
Howard rental
I’m not really all that excited about losing Steph just to see Dwight tear it up in a Dubs uni for half a season
"The way I do it is I tell the athletic trainers the instant pain I feel and this is the worst it has been" - Steph Curry on his ankle 1/4/2012
More like 25 games
10 of which he’d need adjustment.
But for 15 games!
Stop thinking of it as a rental
and Start thinking of it as a gamble. Warriors don’t care about this season, they wont be a championship team w/ him alone and they know it. The idea is to get him out here and get to his head, show him the opportunities and sell him on the future of the team.
I truly think that if they get him out here, he will be convinced to stay. Especially when the new owners will say they have no problems spending the $ to bring other superstars here
by Babyface Assassin on Jan 6, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
It simply wont happen. No way he stays here and no way Orlando takes Curry over Bynum. They want a C coming back. Point guards are flooded in every NBA draft.
I don’t think you can completely rule out the possibility he stays. MONEY talks louder than anything, despite what a player might say. I’d guesstimate that a large percentage of players, if given the choice, would take money over any other factor.
by Slightly Hyphy on Jan 6, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
We all agree with you on your first point
If Lakers are willing to give Orlando Bynum, they get Dwight Howard…no question. That’s exactly what Wojnarowski is saying, for Golden State to be a serious suitor the trade talks between Lakers and Magic have to fall apart. I think a Curry package is more attractive than the Nets offer or whatever Mavs would be willing to offer, considering Magic is looking for veteran players.
Your second point however that Howard will not stay, I disagree with. The Bay Area is a big market who would make him a lot of money, the new owners are committed and would have a very good chance to attract Deron Williams with Howard and Monta on board. And to top it off he would lose close about $30M if he signed with another team once Warriors get his birds rights
by Babyface Assassin on Jan 6, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Lacob is betting he can pull a Celtic move
He was part of the ownership group that netted KG and Ray Allen to join Pierce in Boston and my hunch is that he is trying to pull off a similar coup. If he does pull it off, and I think the biggest obstacles are a lack of draft picks and making the money work (esp. after wasting amnesty on bell), then we could be looking at a Warriors team with the following lineup:
Deron Williams
Monta Ellis
Wright
Lee
Howard
That would be a crazy good team.
If he cannot pull it off, then I wonder what plan B is. My hunch is that it will involve blowing things up to some degree, trading for draft picks and young potential. Lacob wants to be a mover and shaker and will likely make some very questionable moves in the process (nate, really?) but at least it won’t be boring.
my hunch is also similar to yours in that we will blow this team up and its starting with one of the guards
plus some of the bench.
my guess is that multiple team trades and side trades for picks are going to be needed. This will become of the biggest trading season the warriors will go through. I won’t be surprised to see most of the bench gone just through trading for picks alone.
i have a feeling we will find out more until march, when we actually see how well or bad we play.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Yup
Theoretically, if we get Howard + Hedo (woohoo). We’d have 29 committed to them next year. We’d have to dump one of Lee or Monta for almost nothing to have a ‘chance’ at 1 more key player under cap.
well in the form of multi-team trades...
we can always not take in hedo, hopefully relieving some cap space. so come 2012, we can only hope to entice deron williams.
what i would do and convince him would be that the nets don’t have any other player of worth other than brook lopez. but lopez plays the same position as dwight, so it would just be a replacement for center position. and i then would give deron and dwight the image of having monta ellis, one of the most underrated shooting guards in the league, and a power forward who would benefit immensely playing with a competent center.
if this was truly possible, then i think we have youth and talent on our side. no offense to nets, but they truly don’t have anything else of worth to offer.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Jan 6, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
we can always not take in hedo,
Personally I don’t think anyone will touch him.
When I look at it, to make the trade we need to somehow match up to 29 million.
Chip 1: Kwame’s 7 mil expiring is a given to include. Instead cap reliefg
Chip 2: Biedrins 9 mil. In all honesty, we need to find a 3rd team. Someone to give us maybe a young asset an an expiring
We still need to make up 12 from their on. If it was Curry included and not monta, it’ll involve Dorell, Udoh and something.
150%?
Really? So how close would we need to get?
if dwight and hedo are at 29 mill
i think that puts us as needing to get to just south of 20 mill
to be clear, its 150% for non-tax paying teams only.
tax-paying teams are still 125%. the warriors are not a tax-paying team though.
i think trading lee or monta might almost be required if we are tradingfor dwight and hedo
a steph/beans/klay/udoh/whoever else package isnt going to come close enough to matching salaries without monta or lee’s contract.
Lacob is betting he can pull a Celtic move
That kind of move would be a whole lot more imaginable if not for a few of the colossal blunders Riley and Co. have made over the last couple of years.
1. Going by the book and picking Greg Monroe instead of Udoh would have given us our promising 20/10 “Al Jefferson type” to dangle in trade.
2. Using our god-given amnesty on Lee or Biedrins (or not trading for Lee in the first place) instead of squandering it on Bell’s $4M expiring contract would have given us the cap flexiblity to pair Howard with another legit star (Deron, e.g.)
3. Matching Morrow’s fairly reasonable 3/$12M deal would have given Dwight Howard another one of his stated favorite teammates to play with.
Strong emphasis of course on #2. The Bell amnesty is really is looking like a classic Warriors FO eff-up, in the grand tradition of Fuller over Bryant, Smith over KG, Foyle over TMac, Webber for Googs, Diogu over Bynum, first rounder for Marcus Williams, etc. etc.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 6, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Strong emphasis of course on #2
I’d say a stronger emphasis on #1.
Monroe + maybe someone over Klay (though that ones harder to tell) would give us infinitely more trade possibilities.
I don’t get how Riley gets a pass on Udoh over Monroe. A player who’s upside is somewhere between Turiaf and Taj Gibson v. someone who has all-star potential.
Maybe Monroe never becomes a good defensively player and turns into one of those overrated stat guys. But at 21, with his size and numbers, he’s most assuredly a more attractive asset for many years and one teams would gawk over, thinking they can coach up the D for the near future.
i agree
even though i think paul george is a better player than monroe, monroe would almost definitely have the most trade value. comparing trade value with udoh isn’t even close.
these moves are not "colossal" blunders
Simply because all the players you name have no colossal impact on a team’s future.
Bad decisions, some of them, sure. To me, colossal blunders are one’s that set franchises back a few years and/or cripple the potential for any future moves.
Monroe may be good but he’s not an all star and given our need for defense in the paint, Udoh seemed like the better fit. Too early in my opinion to say.
Using the amnesty on Bell was the worst of the moves you mentioned. At the time they shot they had a chance at DeAndre, they were wrong – probably should have known better. Makes it tougher to make moves down the road but not impossible.
Morrow is a great shooter and a fan favorite – but little else. Sure, matching him would have been nice but he is a backup and a specialist, not a huge loss.
by Togna Balogna on Jan 6, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
also...
Given our inability to make a splash this off season, I think Riley will be gone sooner than later. Much of the bad moves above were his moves
by Togna Balogna on Jan 6, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Monroe may be good but he’s not an all star and given our need for defense in the paint
Legitimately, he might be back up center for East in all-star game. He’s having a better year than Noah or Horford
This could be true
Monroe is having a great start too the seaso and further assured Detroit that Riley is a complete idiot for passi him up,
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Monroe may be good but he’s not an all star and given our need for defense in the paint, Udoh seemed like the better fit.
Possibly true. And exactly the same could be said for Al Jefferson. We’re talking about trade value, not on-court value. There’s almost no question that a 21 year-old who routinely puts up 18/10 on high efficiency is worth a heckuvalot more on the trade market than a 24 year-old with terrible efficiency, low volume, poor rebounding, and good defensive APM numbers.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 6, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
The biggest problem I have with the fit argument is the assumption we HAD to get David Lee
David Lee is not a player you build around. Monta ellis and Steph curry probably aren’t either but both are WAY more that than Lee.
Passing on a player who is a borderline all-star, very good offensively/poor defensive (who rebounds) center to build around an ok offensively/horrible defensively massively overpaid PF is the type of decision making which makes me question HOW people like Riley ever get jobs.
Actually I do get why Riley did it, he was worried about showing immediate improvement to keep his job. And in some ways that worries me more. That a 10 game improvement based on a horrendous contract and a cap situation that sucks with a core not good enough to go beyond 45 wins actually impressed Lacob and Co. enough to keep him.
Looking at Monroe and Udoh’s numbers coming into the draft I can see why Riley did it. Monroe was a slug at the combine aswell. You can say Monroe had more upside because of age but Udoh had showed improvement in every facet of the game going into the draft. Plus he was a defensive nightmare. Coming off a season where Serge Ibaka was very impressive I can see why Riley did it.
Udoh had showed improvement in every facet of the game going into the draft.
that’s pretty bad if what we saw from udoh’s offense in his rookie year was improvement over anything.
That was coming off a major wrist surgery and missing 6 months of action. Compare their last season’s in college.
If he got as many minutes as Monroe and played with the same lack of offensive options as Monroe I think he could average the same amount of points at around the same fg%. Monroe will probably always be the better rebounder being that he’s bigger and is a true 5. Monroe could never be the shot blocker or defender Udoh is.
If he got as many minutes as Monroe and played with the same lack of offensive options as Monroe I think he could average the same amount of points at around the same fg%.
rofl i hope you’re joking
ekpe shot 43.7% last year. what makes you think that taking more shots while being the focus of the defense would INCREASE his fg% to 55.1%
Ekpe got threw in the fire last year. If Monroe missed 6 months of play and then got threw into the league against the best in the world without a summer league or training camp who know’s what he woulda done.
Its the truth. Put Udoh on that talentless Detroit team right now and give him Monroe’s minutes and he’s averaging 13 ppg at least. With 2 blocks to go with em.
Watch Monroe play and you'll see who'd you rather have.
Ekpe does ONE thing better than Monroe right now. Maybe two. The first being shot blocking, the second weakside help. Everything else Monroe is better at. He’s also much more fluid in the post and a great passer for a bigman. Monroe has also increased his FT% although it’s concerning he doesn’t go to the line very much.
Monroe has gotten a lot of playing time though, but I wouldn’t say they rely only on him. Although he probably should be putting up for shots with his FG%.
So far the argument between Udoh and Monroe is silly. It’s Monroe.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I disagree. This is the last time ill say this, put Udoh on Detroit and he looks as good as Monroe does now. Give him constant minutes on a talentless team and he’d do good numbers. Allow him to take 15 shots a game. Put Monroe on our team and have him backup Lee and see how inconsistant he is when he gets pulled for every mistake he makes.
Monroe deserves his minutes, Udoh can't seem to find them.
Theyre not close as players.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
That might have been true last year.
What about this year then?
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 7, 2012 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
Like I said, give Udoh Monroe’s minutes and watch what he does. If you havent noticed, his post game and jumper is coming around. If he had more minutes he would put up good numbers. He gets yanked because D-Lee is better. In Detroit he would be a starter.
and his offensive pace adjusted stats are nowhere near monroe's either
you argue that using pace adjusted stats is stupid because if they played 36 mins they wouldn’t keep up their production. yet now you’re claiming that udoh would IMPROVE his per 36 numbers if he played more minutes. something doesn’t quite add up does it?
Ekpe's TS% has been horrible this year.
He is not shooting well so far and isn’t rebounding well either. He’s not even blocking shots right now. Oh well, at least he doesn’t turn the ball over that much.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
You realize that the more shots/usage a guy gets, the worse their efficiency gets?
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 7, 2012 1:37 AM PST up reply actions
Do you realize basketball is a mental game for the most part? Getting limited minutes and getting pulled out the game for every mistake you make on offense would throw your rhythem off. If your on a team and you know your gonna get constant playing time every game you play much better. Udoh gets the hook everytime he makes a mistake, If Detroit did that to Monroe he would be shaky aswell. Udoh’s post game is to the point now where I would make him the 3rd option in our offense when Lee is off the floor. Monroe is the 1st option in Detroit right now. Just wait and see, remember who told you 1st, when Udoh gets more minutes he’ll play much much better and will make those that say they wanted Monroe deny they said it. And coming into and out of the draft I wanted Monroe more than Udoh. Right now Monroe should be considered the better player between the 2 based on his stats and results, all im saying is if you give Udoh more time he’d produce better on both sides of the ball. Basketball is mostly mental and it gets nerve racking when you know your gonna get taken out the game for any offensive mistake you make. I’ve seen enough of Udoh’s post game this season to be confident he could shoot at a high %. MJ just gotta let the guy play.
At least Jackson seems to have a longer leash and...
A shorter dog house than Nellie. Ekpe’s would probably be banished to SouthEastern Mongolia under the Old’ Fat Bastard.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Take out Monroe, then it's down to...
Jerebko, Wallace, Charlie V and then Udoh.
Honestly he could, but it depends if he performs better than Charlie and Ben. Ben can’t start anymore. So my guess would be maybe. There’s a chance because the Pistons don’t have much frontcourt depth, but at the same time Udoh’s numbers are horrible. He might get the rookie treatment again if he performed with the pistons like he has for us.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
not buying this
Getting limited minutes and getting pulled out the game for every mistake you make on offense would throw your rhythem off. If your on a team and you know your gonna get constant playing time every game you play much better.
you cannot use one side of this argument when debating monta vs reggie, but use the other side of the argument when debating monroe vs udoh. pick a stance and stick with it, otherwise it’s clear you’re just spouting off ideas to say what you want it to say.
the only argument for monta over reggie in terms of who is a better scorer
is that reggie’s efficiency would go down if he played more, and monta’s would increase if he played less. now you’re saying that udoh’s efficiency would go up if his minutes increased. why is it that udoh’s efficiency would go up with more consistent minutes, but reggie’s would go down with more consistent minutes?
I dont recall ever saying Reggie’s efficiency would go down if he got more time. Monta is just the better player than Reggie for so many reasons. And if that J by Klay keeps falling like it did last night we all can agree Klay is better aswell.
Reggie is what he is, I’ve seen him get plenty of minutes under Nellie. He’s a less athletic non-defensive version of Harden.
Is that supposed to be a bad player?
That sounds pretty good.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 7, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
So why didn't this apply for Reggie?
It only applies for players you want it to.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 7, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
The biggest problem with Ekpe is he has poor hands
Not Kwame bad, but he simply doesn’t have soft hands. He doesn’t finish around the rim regularly.
His mid-range J and hook moves are ok, but those are counter moves. Type of stuff he hits 40-45% of time, which is inefficient, but USEFUL as a counter to block a power move or a cut or a dunk.
He doesn’t get easy buckets like Monroe or heck…, Lee, Chandler (let alone howard, amare etc)
Because of that, it’s unlikely he’ll ever be a very good offensive player.
Agreed.
While his hands aren’t Foyle-bad, he still doesnt catch every pass his way. He’s average at best. He’s also a slow jumper. Due to this I doubt he’ll ever have a high efficiency or be automatic down low. He misses too many bunnies.
And I don’t blame the shortened season or injury. This is stuff that would show from the get go. Last season he had an excuse, this year has just been flat out bad so far.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
More importantly
you don’t try to “fit” a rookie to a non-playoff team. You take the best player available with the most upside. Always.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Paul George could seriously come back and bite us in the ass.
As much as I’d rather have drafted Monroe, George is off to a great start this year.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
george is a beast, one of the true two-way players in that draft
however, it’s unlikely he keeps up his current 3pt% of 65% lol
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