RUMOR: Dwight Howard to the Golden State Warriors for Stephen Curry
by R Dizzle on Jan 6, 2012 12:10 PM PST
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Ok here's the way I look at it -
- Stephen Curry is by far one of our best players and part of our "young" core.
- BUT, Dwight Howard is Dwight Howard and if you have the opportunity to get him here...you gotta do it.
- ESPECIALLY because Curry's ankle won't be getting better for a loooong time.
- Add in the possibility of not having our lottery pick (knowing our luck)
- Add in Dwight has said ON RECORD that he wants to play with Monta Ellis
- Combine that with Coach Jackson's desire to have a team that actually plays defense
- And trading for Dwight right now for a one-year rental and POTENTIALLY enticing him to stay longer doesn't sound so silly.
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Add in Dwight has said ON RECORD that he wants to play with Monta Ellis
people need to lay off this point. Monta was on a list of people that Dwight wanted to play with in orlando. you’ll notice that the three players dwight said he would like in orlando (iggy, monta, josh smith) are players that were thought to be available at the time of his comments. there is no indication that he would rather play with these three players than say, deron williams.
no, his top five players he said on record he would love to play with after being asked about where he would end up were
d-will, chris paul, monta, capjack, and anthony morrow (in no particular order)
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
yup!
i read both. and both were from different sources, but the one with iggy and jsmoove was because he was asked who would he like to bring IN.
to PLAY, he just named guards lol. but yes monta and dwill were on that list.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
one was a video from when he was in russia in the offseason before last
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
the other was from when he was promoting something in orlando i think.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Jan 6, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
if it was from the offseason before last
he was still talking about players that were thought to be available
absolutely
you dont pass this up.
i just dont see him finding a reason to stay.
on the bright side, the team surrounding curry is a lot better than the team surrounding dwight
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
the thing is...
if we can get dwight, we can potentially lure other FA because of what we have in Monta/DLee/Howard. I mean we can soooo get Dwill because, here in GS, we have a very good SG (top 5 if you ask me) and a former All-star(yes it was injury reserve) but still can get you 20/10 if he has a competent partner (which he will in howard).
All we need is DWill and we got ATLEAST a top 5 in playoff spot.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
Where will the money come from for DWill?
If getting Dwight means taking Turk also, then there would def not be room for another max contract.
It smells like hope in this mug
well assuming we can do a multi-team trade, we can always move hedo to another team...
but like i said, its a thought and FO may have to do some more research.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
Maybe we could Amnesty Turkolu
…oh wait, we used for 4 million on Charlie Bell…
Yeah, but say we have a team of Monta/Lee/Howard,
how do we even come up with the cap space to sign FA, let alone DWill.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Jan 6, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Lee would have to be traded for some big expirings
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jan 6, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
wouldn't Lee have to be in the deal anyways?
I mean, Monta and Steph don’t make a ton of money, while Dwight and Hedo make boatloads of the stuff…we might have to include DLee just to make the salaries match
"The way I do it is I tell the athletic trainers the instant pain I feel and this is the worst it has been" - Steph Curry on his ankle 1/4/2012
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 6, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
how do we even come up with the cap space to sign FA, let alone DWill.
If we get to keep DLee, let’s just keep DLee
Monta
Klay
DWright
DLee
Howard
Plus, with Monta/Lee/Howard, many good players will be willing to take minimum to come join Warriors. Ray Allen might join just because of this, so is Steve Nash.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 6, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Klay
People are being way too hard on Klay. He is a rookie, give him some time.
I'm just poking fun at him and exaggerating
But still, it was a bad pick . There were better options
RIP Al Davis
as a very harsh critic of klay, i think we need to keep him and give him the benefit of the doubt.
who knows, he may be the second coming of a “curry-esque” type player giving us an another trade bait or star player.
but of course, its all hypothetical. klay will really need to amp up his damn game if he wants to be in this league any longer.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
don't know why people are all down on Klay
if I were hearing these things prior to these first six games, it might be reasonable. But right now, it’s just reactionary spouting.
We would only be able to go after other Free Agents AFTER the season when DH is no longer here.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
by qin on Jan 6, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
well if DH does commit, we can go after FA.
even if he doesn’t commit, we can still bait him and deron to signing here.
or we can promise Dwight that we will get deron and hopefully get a verbal agreement from deron. (dunno if thats legal)
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
why not
is time for the warriors to roll the dice and take some risk. The worst case is Howard walk at the end of season and warriors need to rebuild again but with cap room this time around.
"If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story." Orson Welles
by sfniners4life on Jan 6, 2012 12:23 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
And no 1st round picks.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
by qin on Jan 6, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
The worst case is Howard walk at the end of season and warriors need to rebuild again but with cap room this time around.
the worst case is pretty bad. DHo walks after winning enough games to lose our draft pick in a strong draft season. So we lose our point and have nothing in the aftermath?
The only way I’d trade for DHo without a signed extension is if they took something worse than Binky. Stef is the one piece we have that is near top quality for his position , the objective should be to trade the players that are not at the top of their position ladder. If Montay and Stef have equal trade value the one to trade would be Montay since it would be easier to replace a 2 guard than a point guard, the problem would be making the magic believe this is not true.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
DHo walks after winning enough games to lose our draft pick in a strong draft season.
We’ll probably be just mediocre enough to do that anyway. And on the off chance we’re able to sneak into the bottom 7, we’ll still have to go through the same song and dance next year, or the year after that.
Indeed, one of the great side benefits of a Dwight rental is he’d likely make us a top 10 team, so we’d get to flip Utah a #20-30 pick — instead of the more likely #8-12 — and finally be done with the Marcus Williams debacle.
There will be no extra point!
That right there would just make it worth it.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
by qin on Jan 6, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
one point i have never thought about is that theoretically if this were to happen
do you think we could also bring in d-will to the bay?
could that be part of lacobs plans"?
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Yeah
But then we could always make another trade headlined by Ellis for Dwill
by Oracle Junkie on Jan 6, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Worst case scenario is you have no Curry and no Dwight next year, but you do have Hedo for two more seasons. If he doesn’t resign this could be potentially crippling…
…
Although, Curry is already basically “crippled,” so I think I’d pull the trigger. The playoffs this year would be shweeeet.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
Dwight will leave after one year
and we’ll be back to rebuilding, only this time without any young pieces because we would have used them all to get Dwight. 2017 playoffs, here we come?
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Okay if Dwight isnt gonna resign
Then trade him before the deadline and get back more pieces than we originally had. It’s not the monster risk people are making it out to be. With that scenario it’s win win in my opinion. Lets talk a shot for great instead of staying in mediocrity.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jan 6, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
what do you want?
you blast the FO everywhere for not getting anything done in the off season, and now you’re complaining about them looking into making a big move?
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'd like this move
if Dwight signed an extension. But he’s not, so we’re basically trading our best (or second best for Monta fans) player for the chance of signing Dwight Howard. That’s not how you build a team.
I didn’t hate that they didn’t get anything done – I hated
howthey tried to get things done. They let Reggie go and used an amneasty on an expiring contract so they could add a few million to the restricted free agent tender. And, really, I felt they went after the wrong player – they should have gone after Chuck Hayes, who was a free agent, unlike DeAndre Jordan. It’s not that I am against the FO making moves – I am against them making dumb moves.
I’ve come around on the Kwame thing because they needed to meet the minimum salary cap. He’s been okay.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
We won't have cap space if we have to take Hedo's contract as well
and if we somehow arrange it so that we trade another first round draft pick to Orlando, that makes two first round picks we won’t have when we are rebuilding.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Same with Chris Paul if he came here. The best we can hope for is tank and draft in 2012 and try to get a free agent to come.
Our problem is the draft. Larry Riley appears to be drafting for need instead of the BAP. To be fair, I had all of the guys listed here (guys I missed in parenthesis). For example:
2011 – Took Klay Thompson over Alec Burks or Kawhi Leonard
2010 – Took Ekpe Udoh over Greg Monroe
2009 – Took Stephen Curry. Got one right
2008 – Took Anthony Randolph over Roy Hibbert (I love Georgetown C; Missed on Javale McGee)
To be fair, I had all of the guys listed here
"Go ahead. Make my day."
Lacomb is trying to mend his mistakes! Monta-Howard would be awesome! Scramble like hell to keep him next year!
Imagine if we still had Reggie, too! It is beginning to add up for Lacomb….Duuuuh
Wasn't Jerry West the exec that got Shaq away from the Magic a few years ago?
Let’s have a little faith in our management team, who are trying to spend some bucks and make a good impression on us. The Warriors haven’t had any franchise big men since Wilt and the supply of them are down to a handfull. Howard is worth the risk. I think Howard’s contract issue offsets Curry’s ankle issue but we still need to sweeten the pot a bunch. The Magic would rather he plays in the Western Conference anyway.
You will have to try very hard to convince me that this was part of a strategy by our FO!
It was there at the beginning of the season, as well, before Curry got injured.
Still my opinion whether you are convinced or not but
Chandler was a better fit when there were free agents available – less contract risk, hasn’t peaked, more room to sign talent under the cap with him. Sure, Howard is better but when he’s out, big dropoff in production with lesser talent affordable to pick up the slack. Put your GM hat on.
by DeathValleyCarl on Jan 6, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
At nearly 30 I'd say Tyson ain't getting a helluva lot better.
An we’d have been nearly maxed out signing Chandler. Tyson would’ve bit us in the ass in a few years, IMO.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Sorta
I think the plan was to collect assets, and carefully avoid getting screwed with longterm contracts. I think all along they would have preffered to trade Ellis and get something in return, but the injurries to Curry and perhaps the reality that he won’t reach superstar status, is enough to give him up.
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Jan 6, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
That was plan C. Plan A was to cap out for 4 years with Chandler. Plan B was to cap out for 4 years with Deandre. Plan C was to not sign long term contracts.
by Uwe Blog on Jan 6, 2012 6:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Warriors haven’t had any franchise big men since Wilt
Nate Thurmond begs to differ
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 6, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Gatling,
the energizer
Chris Petersen is in the dictionary next to the word AWESOME.
by warriorsscore110 on Jan 6, 2012 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Loved Nate the Great
Dunno if I would call him a “Franchise Player”, though. Anyway, same era as Wilt.
by DeathValleyCarl on Jan 8, 2012 6:57 AM PST up reply actions
A great point they made on 95.7
Is that if we trade for Dwight, we have between 1-2 months to convince him to stay and sign an extension. If he refuses then we make a team sell the house for him. Maybe we make the Lakers give us bynum and a few 1st round picks, or a struggling team with multiple 1st rounders so that we can be huge players in what is being considering the best draft in years.
Why would other teams do that when they could just bid for him after the season’s over?
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
by qin on Jan 6, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
he can sign an extension for a bigger maximum
than he can as a free agent starting over on a new team. this was a major snag in the labour negotiations, because owners wanted to eliminate this type of transaction, in the wake of the C.Anthony fiasco (fiasco in their perspective of course). the owners would prefer some restriction on moving a player who’d just re-signed, like freezing trades on him for six or twelve months. With the same system retained, a player can benefit both ways, getting a fatter deal because it’s a re-sign, and still get to control what team he plays for.
If Anthony truly wanted to compete for a trophy in NY, he would have simply let his Den contract expire and go as a free agent. NY would not need to sacrifice a huge chunk of its roster and would have much more flexibility in constructing a strong team w. Anthony (he’d be taking a smaller cut of their cap as well). He chose to fatten his wallet and let NY figure out how to stay competitive, which has been a struggle since they acquired him.
Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)
If we trade for Howard doesn’t the Bird exemption allow us to re-sign him regardless of our cap space?
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
by KillaContract on Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Ah yes, I forgot about that extra year.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
by qin on Jan 6, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
If he refuses then we make a team sell the house for him.
No one can see the future, the only logical thing is to follow what has been seen. Monta is at his peak and Curry has been alternately brilliant and lousy. If anyone thinks Curry is going to play a significant factor this year they are insane. If the Magic want Curry let them have him. Monta with a real Center sounds frightening. If Howard wants to walk and its Bynum and some of the picks back, that’s better than we where things are now.
by felix botticelli on Jan 6, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Damn it
So many people turned on Steph because of his ankle, including me…
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
i actually havent turned on steph because of his ankle.
if we don’t get steph, i still say he can provide a lot for us. To me, a recurring ankle injury isn’t as bad as many people are making it to be. Remember Moped-gate? i actually think curry will get stronger or atleast loosen those tendons and ligaments where to the point it wont even hurt if he twitches.
From the knbr interview with larry riley the other day, curry’s injury had nothing to do with the surgical repaired part of the right ankle. it had to do with another part in that same ankle, and that korver incident just made it worse and that is why it recurred in SA.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
don't turn
His ankle is a relatively short term thing. Believe it or not, it won’t be an issue two or three years from now. Two or three months? Don’t know.
That said, I’d probably do this trade and cry myself to sleep. I love Curry’s offensive game. But I do this trade because I don’t have confidence he’ll ever be a decent defender. And because Superman doesn’t come along every day.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Do it
Worst thing that can happen is that he doesn’t stay with us and we can actually rebuild. If we trade for him this season, can we trade him before the deadline?
I suppose we can
But we don’t know the language of the new CBA
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
Well at least under the last CBA you could.
I remember when Rasheed Wallace was traded, he got traded to Atlanta and a week later was traded to Detroit, midseason.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
...with no first round picks
there’s no rebuilding. i mean, we’d have to do at least three seasons of tankiing
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
You might be able to deal Lee for a later lottery pick
And Monta for a high one and then to a total rebuild
RIP Al Davis
If we can, sign me up. I’d take two first rounders for Ellis and Lee.
by Uwe Blog on Jan 6, 2012 7:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
this is a no brainer
either he resigns long term or he walks after the year and we start to finally do a true rebuild. win/win
And what would be step one in a rebuild?
What would you draft?
A young 2 guard with sturdy fundamentals, a great shot, good passing ability who can play the point?
We can’t rebuild right away because we have no first round pick until 2016.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
We will have first round picks
We just can’t trade first round picks until 2016, meaning we will have to rebuild entirely through good drafting and good free agent signings. We will also lose one first round pick to the Jazz unless we tank every season until the 2015 season..
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
we will have to rebuild entirely through good drafting and good free agent signings
Tell me the last time the Warriors did either of those things with any reliable regularity.
Free agents don’t want to come here. Never have.
Our only real hope would be building through the draft which, for one thing, probably takes a very long time to see the fruits of your labor. You also have to get lucky because selecting high draft picks don’t always mean you get good players. The Warriors have NO history of making that blockbuster draft.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Oh believe me
I want a FO overhaul. Especially with our scouting staff – who the hell thought that Udoh was better than Monroe or that Klay Thompson filled a “position of need” because he was a scorer who wasn’t good at defense in college?
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by doubleteapot on Jan 6, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Most sense made.....
There was definatley better fits than Klay Thompson in the last draft.
Kllaaaaaaayyyy
boy, I’m trying real hard to not draw conclusions yet, but after seeing some of the other guys who were available and generally considered to be better prospects, I’m pretty skeptical (Leonard comes to mind specifically, although Morris looked good too).
The Klay pick to me is just a head scratcher, not a position of need, especially because we coulda kept Mr. Potato head for relatively cheap
overall though, how can you NOT give these guys the benefit of the doubt?
We have been one of the best teams at finding hidden talent (look at how many of tour D league all stars are still in the NBA). Everybody makes a bad choice from time to time, so I’ll forgive POB, and all the other tall skinny leftys
"The way I do it is I tell the athletic trainers the instant pain I feel and this is the worst it has been" - Steph Curry on his ankle 1/4/2012
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 6, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I feel that may have been a product of other teams not caring about the D-League
I don’t think the scouting was that important – we just took the players with the best stats. For example, Reggie Williams was having insane stats and we called him up.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
to be honest, if we don't make it to the playoffs this year, there is no way of getting to the playoffs the next few years (assuming we dont get dwight)
that means we will have to clean house and start all over. meaning everyone except for maybe curry or monta stays. other than that, we need to REALLY examine what players we need.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
warriors are a young team playing in a new defense and offense; i think there is plenty of room to grow
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 7, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
i think there is plenty of room to grow
yep ,about 46 games of improvement overhead.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 7, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
haha gov has come full circle! congrats
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
Purely by the position they play.
Dwight’s production minus League Average Center’s production > Paul’s Production minus League Average Point Guard
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Yeah.
Having a dominant big is better than having a dominant small.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 7, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
You do it
I do not know what the exact details of the Trade are but I assume its something like Curry, Biedrins, Udoh, Wright and a 1st round pick(hopefully top 3 protected) for Dwight and Hedo.
Now look at what that leaves us
Nate/Ish/CJ
Ellis/ Klay
Hedo/ Rush
Lee/ ?
Howard/Brown
After you do this you look at some of those china guys and D-Leaguers, I say go after Aaron Brooks and possibly Kenyon Martin and since we have a good team they may be willing to sign cheap for a year to prove their worth. That team would be a contender, you have the 3 point shooting of Brooks and the drive and kicks. The Warriors can let Ellis drive and slash. Hedo to spot up and play point forward to set everyone up. Lee to run pick and rolls/Pops and a high low game with Howard. And Howard to be the Superstar. The bench would be awesome to with Nate Rob being the irrational confidence guy that can win you a game or two in the playoffs with an explosion of points. Rush and Brown coming in and D’ing people up. And maybe even Klay hits a few three pointers.
The sad thing is as a warriors fan, I know none of this will happen and it is a rumor just to keep the fan base happy.
All I saw was:
X/X/X
X/X
X/X
X/?
Howard/X
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Jan 6, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
And that was enough for you..
right?
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Jan 6, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
we'd start rush at SG
and monta at PG
monta/nate/cj
Rush/Dorrell/Klay
Hedo/Dorrell/Klay
D-Lee/?
Howard/Brown
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
yup.
we use monta as a pg or combo guard who handles and post the ball. he can really dish it when he drives. especially with his speed.
move him to sg when dwill comes(if he comes) lol.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
ellis/cj
klay/?
rush/?/hedo
lee/tyler
howard/brown
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 7, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Hmm, I hope Orlando takes Lee..
Dwight: $17.9 Mil/1 Year +$19.3 Mil PO
Turk: $22.0 Mil/2 Year + $12.2 Mil PO
for
Lee: $68.7 Mi/5 Years
Brown: $7 Mil/1 Year
Curry: $7 Mil/2 Years + $5.3 Mil QO
+ Wright/Thompson/Udoh
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
These trade scenarios that involve us trading our non-winning players for other team’s winning player(s) crack me up. It’s like when everyone wanted to package Monta and Biedrins last year. Hilarious. FML.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
Come up with a better trade idea, opposed to running your mouth.
Outside of Monta no one else fits what Orlando seeks in veterans who will keep them in playoff contention. I doubt our FO gives up both for him. We take the under performing Turk and an expiring and non-guaranteed resignee in Dwight, they get Curry and possible young players or picks via a third team. They also get Lee a veteran 4 and Brown an expiring cheap vet.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
It might work if David Lee were still a 20/10 guy and Curry didn’t have spaghetti ankles, but if I’m Orlando and you come at me with that offer, I hang up the phone. They’d be better off trading for all expirings and picks.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
thats why we have 1 or 2 months to prove something.
we are clearly not ready to trade. orlando wants to wait until trade deadline to get the best possible talent.
who knows, maybe curry will be super again. dlee will become that 20/10 guy (i actually believe he will become that again this year if beans and kwame continues to play like they have this year). Udoh shines pretty bright. and Klay actually moves and play some BBALL.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
i think it can.
only if curry and dlee are playing good until trade deadline.
orlando wants youth and veteran and still wants to compete.
look at their potential lineup.
curry/richardson/ryan_anderson/dlee/brandon bass. thats a pretty good lineup especially with anderson playing pretty good this year. their bench is not bad too with jameer and jj redick.
all i am saying is IF we start to play good this year hoping curry bounces back.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
keep lee and get rid of beans
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 7, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Curry and Howard on the same team would be perfect.
by Anonymous1337 on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions
a three team trade could involve picks as well
maybe squeeze a second rounder out as well…?
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
I'm just so pissed about the amnesty still.
We could have maybe gotten Deron in the offseason (with Dwight) but of course this team does stupid moves.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM PST reply actions
amnesty is not as bigger deal than...
… pass up getting CP3 because CP3 won’t sign extension for the Curry/CP3 trade.
Come on! Do you expect someone at CP3 level will just said “YES” to extension to come here, without Warriors putting efforts? If you think so, then Warriors should be able to get any FA they want with $$$$. The true is that the only way Warriors can get a superstar is through this type of risky trade. It is up to the team to prove the superstar what we are willing to do for him to sign the extension afterwards.
Imagine CP3, Monta, DWright, DLee and Beans… Beans will look like Howard and Dwright will be shooting 3s like crazy.
Able to have the chance to get Howard now is like God’s gift. Don’t pass it up! It is not like we can get Howard at FA next year, 0% chance!
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 6, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not comparing Brandon Wright to Curry at all…but I thought B. Wright he had great potential especially watching him during summer league, but the fact was once he injured that shoulder it just kept getting reinjured and he was too soft. I love Curry, he is amazing…but the fact he has this reoccurring ankle injury its not helping the warriors out any. I don’t want to say Curry is too soft, but idk I just think at this point I say if trading him for a superstar player is possible, do it. I think if Howard played here and the Warriors got their act together they could be unstoppable. I never was an Ellis fan, but last season and this season he’s impressed me. At this point I think Curry is more of a trade option then Ellis.
for final time, Brandon Wright suck.
I knew he was bust, when he was playing here. Waste of a trade to get him here.
At first I was willing to give up the entire house for Dwight Howard
…but it’s unlikely (at least at this very moment) that he would be here the following year. Of course any team wants Dwight Howard, but at the risk of destroying your franchise’s future for a few months with Dwight Howard isn’t exactly the kind of risk I was thinking the FO should take.
Sure, go after Dwight but damn. You just can’t give up that much without knowing he’s going to stay once he’s a free agent.
We missed on Chandler. Why would we think Dwight is coming?
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
What future is there to destroy?
I was ready to mortgage everything so the 2008 team could compete for the 8th spot for 2 or 3 years, why wouldn’t I want to make this move?
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
You'd give up Curry forever for like 4 months with Dwight Howard?
And then risk Dwight leaving too? Way too much rick. Trading for Dwight could leave us without him AND the few pieces we highly value.
Not worth it.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
…and they never spoke to each other again.
Again, not worth what? What exactly are we risking? We suck. There is no risk.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
we have some great pieces
Curry (with sufficient ankles) is a damn good player and he’s young. I’m sure you know how good he and Monta are together.
Breaking that up for four months with D. Howard isn’t worth it, IMHO.
Now, if we could get Dwight to stay for 2-5 years for having to give up Curry, then you start thinking about how to make that work. But then, you’d probably have to plan to have other free agents come in so he’d stay which, again, the Warriors have no history of doing.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
I’m sure you know how good he and Monta are together.
good enough to win 36 games last season and 26 games the season before?
Oh c'mon
there are at least 10 other people on last year’s roster that didn’t get it done.
Curry and Ellis’ numbers came out surprisingly good, despite the giant hole at the 5 where Andris Biedrins used to be.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
ellis' numbers last season were not surprisingly good
the offense was marginally worse with him on the floor, and the defense was much, much worse with him on the floorr. i wouldn’t call those surprisingly good numbers
Yes, yes, yes. Fine Monta sucked.
Monta sucks. Curry sucks. Everybody sucks. Break the shit and start over. There is no hope from a single player on the entire roster.
Happy now?
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
there is plenty of hope for steph
but to put him and monta on the court together and expect defense to be played is just dumb
I seriously thought I was the sour-est dude on this site
but you sir, have totally outdone me.
I’m even trying to generate some positivity so this season doesn’t trigger suicidal tendencies.
So there is nothing whatsoever redeeming about any aspect of the backcourt? The whole team?
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
I don't blame you.
It’s hard being a Warrior fan. I think all of us are reaching the end of our ropes.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, yes, yes. Fine Monta sucked. Monta sucks. Curry sucks. Everybody sucks. Break the shit and start over. There is no hope from a single player on the entire roster.
Excellent. Welcome to the dark side, padawan. :-)
There will be no extra point!
Don't encourage bigkino
I think he’s pretty ready to trade Monta to the North Siberian ThunderSquirrels for an order of Nachos from Club 200.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
it doesnt take a genius to see that a curry and monta can't win together
without some great defensive players that arent offensively inept behind them.
of course
two above average guards can’t win anything without help elsewhere. This applies to not just Curry and Monta
but the two of them dont need help to win
they need elite help. monta is not capable of guarding the 2 anywhere near adequately. you can build around one or the other, but not both, and curry is the easier player to build around because he doesn’t need to play with a big pg that can guard the 2
Excellent. Welcome to the dark side, padawan. :-)
haha, our plan is working.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 6, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
That’s not fair. In the hypothetical other-world we are a decent team with a good backcourt. In the real world we can’t keep our players on the court together.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
who was hurt last year?
both players played 74+ games
Remember how vampire-gate destroyed our mojo?
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
not buying it
opposition was the main reason we started 6-2 last season
Don't forget
It’s highly unlikely he would re-sign unless the W’s could land another free agent, which so far hasn’t been a high probability.
Look, I’d be just as elated as any other Warrior fan if he came so don’t get me wrong. I just think what we’d have to give up makes Dwight just out of our league.
This shouldn’t be a shock to you if you’re a Warrior fan.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yea, you’re stuck with Hedo for two more seasons, but as it stands there is no bright rosy future with a time horizon beginning anytime sooner than 2-3 years from now anyway. And it involves a completely new roster regardless.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
There is some talent on this team.
I’ll keep saying it; building around Curry and Ellis is certainly not the end of the world. If you got the right people around them, the Warriors would be freakin’ deadly.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
If you got the right people around them, the Warriors would be freakin’ deadly.
they been pretty deadly to our hopes for quite a while
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 6, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
True
But when was the last time the Warriors got ANY notoriety for doing ANYTHING right? We finally have put together a decent homegrown backcourt and you’re so wiling to toss it out the window for a few months with D. Ho?
Our backcourt gets some genuine love throughout the league. That’s not a fluke. Those guys are good.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
when was the last time the Warriors got ANY notoriety for doing ANYTHING right?
I guess when they last actually did something right?
I don’t recall sayin throw out everything for DHo , I said make them take Montay instead of Binky if they want a deal. I want to keep the players that are near the top of the ladder for their positions and Stef is our best at his position guy. It would be easier to get a better new 2 than a better new point.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 6, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
I'd be down to listen to any proposal to get D. Ho, even involving Curry or Ellis to
but NOT for the rest of this lockout-shortened season. If we’re giving up either Curry or Ellis right now, I want a commitment from Howard.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
lockout-shortened season
This is what would keep me from this deal as well.
Short season + lottery pick + keeping Curry vs. trading all that for a first round playoff elimination.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Jan 6, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
I guess the ankle has caused Lacob
to change his tune. Unless the Dubs think they can sign and trade him as a worse case scenario (best case: they convince him to stay beyond this year), I don’t see the point. But all things considered, I wouldn’t mind seeing it happen. Don’t think it changes the Warriors prospects for making the postseason this year.
Really? You don’t think Ellis+Howard with our solid defensive wings gets us into the playoffs?
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
It might
It’s intriguing. I think we’re probably better. But just not sure about playoffs. Wouldn’t be surprised to be wrong.
To some, since Ellis hurts the team when he’s on the floor, according to one advanced stat, he probably shouldn’t play at all. I’m sure his back up has a better RAPM.
Dwight was good enough to carry a bad Magic team to the playoffs
He’s good enough to carry the Warriors to the playoffs. And Ellis’ backup does not have a better RAPM, if you haven’t noticed our backup guards suck.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
ellis is playing out of his mind this year.
he is way more efficient. passes first most of the time before shoots. better 3pt shot. Ellis/Lee/Howard will work if we can get em. Howard brought an immensely bad Magic team to a 50 win with Arenas and Hedo…says alot about your team. Jameer too was on that team.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
I think more likely the awful play of the team and the decent play of Monta have changed Lacob’s viewpoint.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Jan 6, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Dwight would help us get to a postseason this year
it would just hurt us if he didn’t resign
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
I don't understand why people keep saying this:
Stephen Curry, has suffered the 3rd ankle injury of the season
It’s one injury!! It’s not 3 separate injuries.
Thank you for your time…
Over
It is one injury, but it occurs on the same ankle for the 7th time...
and i don’t care if it’s a different part of the right ankle. It is frustrating to see him limped off or got carried out off the court so often when he is doing good.
The guy keep sprains his ankle and amazingly comes back the next game
And this somehow makes him less desirable?
And no wonder he hurt it again. Shame on Curry for trying to take one for the team and getting rewarded for it by having them try to trade him.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Jan 6, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
uh its the same ankle, different injury though. the latest one has to do with a different part of the same ankle.
the surgically repaired one is fine apparently. who knows we’re not doctors here. UNLESS??
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
because it's some good chronic?
"The way I do it is I tell the athletic trainers the instant pain I feel and this is the worst it has been" - Steph Curry on his ankle 1/4/2012
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 6, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
I actually do think this deal with happen.
The Golden State Warriors have just brought Nate Robinson onto the roster. Sure, it could be said that the Warriors need Nate because of his experience, his ability to bring energy off the bench and further depth behind Steph’s always injured ankle. However, this is intriguing because of what the Warriors already have to offer: Klay, Ish, Steph, Monta, Rush, Jenkins and now Nate. Our backcourt is deeper than I ever remember seeing it. And, with all due respect, we’re not deep with the usual Acie Laws and Jermely Lins but rather a backcourt that has sizable expectations from each of its players. We know what Monta and Steph can bring. In a few short games, we have seen Brandon Rush play some incredible basketball. We have seen Ish fly up and down the court with the talent we were hoping to find in Lin. So why Nate Robinson now?
Jerry West knows what makes good basketball teams. He stated his desires to have Dwight Howard join the Lakers when he was part of their management. No way his thought process has changed. I think of all teams, we have put ourselves in an ideal position to try to grab Howard, even if it is on a one year term and hope he resigns. Its high risk high reward. I understand that it would be devastating if he leaves, but at this point, something needs to happen to change it up. If he leaves, we suck bad for another 3 years minimum going through lottery looking for next talent. If he stays, we’re playoff bound. Better either option than being this 9th seed "I can almost believe" Team anymore.
won't be that devastating if we
can orchestrate a sign and trade this offseason, right? Don’t know how the sign-and-trade rules have changed in this latest union agreement, but I would think most teams will need salary cap relief to sign Howard this offseason.
well, i think we can sign and trade for howard, but we would have to wait until the offseason i think, but im not sure if we can with howard.
he is a unrestricted free agent come offseason, thus we cant trade for him anymore. we can only trade with orlando before the trade deadline and can only get a signed/verbal agreement with howard to stay for an extra year or no agreement at all.
what we can do is sell the warriors to howard and hopefully monta can be an allstar. it would help immensely.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
The fact that we can argue over which of our backcourt is our best player is is a really good problem to have
Keep them
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
no doubt monta is our best player.
stephen curry, you can say, is our potentially best player with the higher ceiling.
that is why orlando wants curry, not monta.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
Not happening
Orlando wants to package Hedo with Howard to get rid of his contract, which means we would have to make up a lot of money for the deal to work. All the young players mentioned, including Curry, are still on rookie contracts and do not make a whole lot of money so we would essentially need to gut the team, which ensures that Howard does not stay and sticks us with Hedo’s bad contract, which would not be to bad if we were able to amnesty him.
if lee plays to his potential this year and becomes a 20/10 guy this year
it will work.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
Can't amnesty Hedo even if we still had it.
Gotta use it on players on team before lockout.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
I got it. Check this out...
We’re not as bad off with this team as people think.
Think about it; getting Chandler alone would have made a huge difference. Dwight Howard would be nice, but he’s an expensive luxury. Plus, he doesn’t want to stay.
Let’s set our sights on the “A-/B+” category of free agent. Chandler would have been a GREAT addition to this team and it wouldn’t have cost us both nuts to get him.
Dwight Howard is a Lambo. We’ll be just fine with a 370Z.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
so.....Hibbert?
Kwame?
"The way I do it is I tell the athletic trainers the instant pain I feel and this is the worst it has been" - Steph Curry on his ankle 1/4/2012
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 6, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
um...no more $7M for Kwames, please (at least its only one year)
For another $3-4M/year, you get into the Chandler/DJ territory. That’s more than fine with me.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Jan 6, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
so what are you saying?
go after chandler? we did that and failed. if new york were to trade him, it would be to orlando, not us. and besides curry>chandler and we can get howard with curry assuming things work out.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
i'll believe it when i see it, but...
if this were ever an option, i’d absolutely pull the trigger. steph curry is, from all accounts, a good kid and a decent basketball player. but his game has all kinds of shortcomings (pun intended) in the nba, and if they had a chance to get dwight howard, i just don’t see how they could pass that up. hopefully, he ends up loving the bay area and stays.
the D team!
D-will
D-???? (wade?)
DWright
DLee
Dwight
by adoboguy on Jan 6, 2012 4:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
monta changes his name to DeMonta Ellis
DeOneAndOnly
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
This would be another stupid move…I can’t believe how fast people turn on Curry.You don’t trade ur best player on the team…you build around him.Curry does have an issue with his ankle rite now, but he will be fine…It’s not like it’s a knee(thank god). Curry is special and there is no need to trade him.
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you know what will make Howard think twice about the Warriors.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
is if Monta makes the All star team this year.
it will be the icing on the cake.
bring in Dwill next year. we have a big(small) three next year.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
well with trade we have no pg!!!!
I rather have Dwill then Dwight right now. Dwight need a pg to have a impact.
well we cant get dwill. nets want veteran stars and they already have him.
the best chance is to get howard first. however, i wont deny that if we can get dwill then we should.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
well we need a pg to pass the ball to him.
unless our pg could feed him the ball. Dwight won’t be a impact on the offensive end. We could try to convince Dwill to come here thou FA in the summertime, but who could replace Curry as the PG? Thats what i want to know at the moment.
well at this moment, monta will have to be that guy who passes to dwight.
in the offseason, we should go after dwill.
as of this season, i think monta will be moved to PG unless jenkins can be that pg (which i actually think he can because he is solid on defense and can pass). monta is a very underrated passer too so i think he will get his share of assist.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
right. Let’s get Deron. Might as well. Since they probably can’t even afford Howard go ahead and pay for both of those guys.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Jan 6, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutley got to make this trade,
If we can skate by giving up only Curry +1 of Tyler, Udoh, or Thompson and Biedrins and cap filler for Howard and Turkoglu. Thats a no brainer, and the sooner the better.
Charlie Bell’s contract could possibly been useful here.
Chris Petersen is in the dictionary next to the word AWESOME.
by warriorsscore110 on Jan 6, 2012 6:55 PM PST reply actions
Trade Curry + pieces for him (Biedrins/Tyler/Kwame/ETC). If he signs an extension, great! Monta driving and dishing to him would be an AMAZING duo. Almost like Kobe + Shaq lol. The way Monta has been passing to Kwame, if only that was Dwight instead. If he DOESN’T sign an extension, trade him at the deadline for someone. For Bynum??? The Lakers would do that, and in the end, you traded Bynum for Curry, which is still a good trade + you got Dwight for half the season.
If Curry, then
how about Biedrins, Thompson, Brown, Jenkins, and 2nd rounder? That’s some young talent and some expiring. To me, although Howard is the most dominant center these days, that says more about these days than anything. I mean look around where are the great centers? You got Shaq retired, Yao retired, Bynum injured every season. It’s like Howard is a spoiled prince whose family got killed in a war and now people want to coalesce behind him to reclaim the kingdom but he has no military experience just a couple years of fencing lessons. You got Kaman, B Lopez, Bogut like the only skilled true centers now. I started paying attention to the NBA closely around the time of Pippen taking off on the left baseline over Ewing in the 94 playoffs. There were some centers worth gutting a team for once upon a time: Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson, O’ Neal. See, Shaq came into the league physically dominant like Howard, only he actually developed some skills. When Shaq was 7 years out of high school, in 1996, no one was saying ooh, he was learning post moves this summer! That was a done deal. He had lost to Olajuwon and Jordan, and he (relatively) warranted that payday the Lakers gave him. Shaq was the main reason for that threepeat by far, not discofishrapistballhogcockyjerkyass. He got to the Finals with All-Star guards Penny, discofishrapistballhogcockyjerkyass, and Wade. Meanwhile Mr. Turn a (underage video) ho to a housewife ruined the dynasty and proceeded to miss the playoffs and get knocked out in the first round until he whined himself into getting help in the form of the most skilled big man of this era, in addition to other near all-stars. What was Shaq doing while Discofishrapistballhogcockyjerkyass was practicing every shot IN GAMES and losing to Phoenix? Winning a championship with Wade, Posey, Haslem, an old Zo and a bunch of streak shooters. Now that’s a franchise center. So as far as Ellis, the convention used to be coming out after on average junior year, the prime would begin around the 4th NBA season. Ellis has an all-time great assist man for a coach and he is very athletic, a decent shooter, and point guard size. Guess what year this is for Ellis. Also this spring two old playoff experienced point guards’ contracts expire. One went to Santa Clara and one went to Cal. And if we don’t get Howard, and we renounce Rush, we can afford Kaman or Lopez in free agency anyway. And T-Mac, if only for playmaking, would join that for midlevel at most. Aside from that, we could pull something with Curry and Biedrins and Charlotte that either gives us Biedrins’ cap space and/or a lottery pick or nets us Iguodala. Let’s say starting 2012-13: Ellis Iguodala Wright Lee Lopez second unit Kidd Thompson MacGrady Udoh Tyler. Easily doable. So in summary, let’s not sweat the ankle, let’s not sweat the draft, and let’s not sweat the snap-dancing Atlantan.
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