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2012 Draft: To Pick or Not to Pick, That is the Question

Not claiming that I'm the second coming of Shakespeare here, but I have a few thoughts on the pick that seems to have been in limbo forever all due to our most hated Warrior of all time: Marcus Williams.

The background: In 2008 the Warriors were in need of a point guard and found Marcus to be an acceptable floor manager and decided that since he would make the team soooo good that they could send their first round draft pick as a conditional pick (just in case it doesn't workout so well). This means that when the Warriors finished poorly and Marcus contributed a little less than nothing, we got to keep our pick and as the years have gone by and we continued to not get much better, get worse, etc., we still got to use our pick. Then we sent our 2011 second round pick to further protect it, but that hasn't helped much. (If you want a great article about this: READ THIS ONE). Now that you are caught up, you know that we are only going to keep this pick if it is a top-7 selection in this draft and gets lesser protected as we go into more years ahead up until 2015. This means that we can't trade any 1st round picks due to NBA rules until this matter is taken care of.

Current state: 2012 is upon us and we are looking the same as ever: Not good enough for playoffs and not bad enough for a top pick. Additionally this year is supposed to be a great draft, but that's where I'm going to cut in- I DON"T THINK THIS YEARS DRAFT IS THAT GOOD!!!! It is deep, but I'm not seeing any franchise players out there. I think the best NBA player will be Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, but I also don't think that he will declare for the draft this year.

So what do we do this year?

We win. We try really hard to get some system in place with the guys we have.Get that chemistry rolling and enjoy the hell out of the season. That pick is going to the Utah Jazz (as of know), so let's get them the worst pick that we can. I'd rather them get the 14th pick than the 8th.

We let the pick go. This will open up all the options for trading future picks to get a real superstar in the Bay. Who knows, we could have had a shot at Kevin Garnett, Chris Paul and even Dwight Howard if we could have sent over a few picks. We can let that ghost of an over weight, lazy, terrible shooting point guard and the only truly detrimental mistake that Chris Mullin made as a GM leave in one night as that buzzer sounds for the last time this season.

Poll
How should the Warriors think about the 2012 draft pick?
Tank and keep it. I think this draft is going to be important
123 votes
Win now and let it go. I'm done with the mess we've been in.
82 votes

205 votes | Poll has closed

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Option 3: Trade potential for proven talent (even if it is lesser)

Let’s make some major moves to shake up this roster. Watching Rush and to a lesser degree Nate and McGuire play makes me appreciate guys who play like veterans. I am tired of having a young team that panics at the end of games or when they have a wide open layup for that matter.
I say trade one or two pieces from our core for veterans and draft picks (if possible) still shoot for winning now and hoping for the best. Noah for Monta, Udoh and Curry and Rondo, trades like that. Indiana drafted well and made smart trades and might be a good model for us to follow since they cannot seem to sign big names either.
Tanking makes sense in some respects, but we have had very little luck in the draft even when we did have a high pick. If we cannot get big names to sign here, and we cannot draft well (for every Curry, I would say we’ve had three or four Diogus), maybe trades like the one we did with Rush and Lou can help us get some wins. I know people are pretty high on this year’s draft but next year is supposed to be a good one as well.
Finally, here’s an unrelated question: Why don’t coaches have players utilize all six fouls more often? If I was a team that struggled defensively and had a decent bench (like Dubs) then I would use all the fouls my bigs have to give, especially in crunch time. Tyler, Udoh, Beidrins, Lee – 24 fouls that in planning to play against the OKC type teams I would take advantage of.

by Togna Balogna on Feb 1, 2012 12:41 PM PST reply actions  

You don’t get frustrated watching McGuire’s complete inability to contribute on the offensive side of the ball or Nate consistently take shots that are just like…..wtf?

by Missing Barry on Feb 1, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

of course I do

but this is why they are bench players.
I just want guys who don’t shrink in the 4th

by Togna Balogna on Feb 1, 2012 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe we really need a top 7 pick this draft.

We clearly aren’t making the playoffs with this roster. Finishing 9th-12th in the West isn’t gonna do anything. Then we’re stuck with the same team, no new draft picks and no one who wants to sign with us.

I don’t see any big trades happening, we can’t get an impact player with the pieces we have to trade.

GSW '12 CHAMPS!

by Potential on Feb 1, 2012 2:15 PM PST reply actions  

I like the "All or nothing" theory

Personally, I wanted the dubs to push for the playoffs even if we fall short and lose our pick on top of it. Because if we do finish in the bottom 7, we will still end up in the same situation next year and still unable to make any significant trades due to not being able to include a 1st round pick. Just put an end to it and give up the pick.

On the other hand, this draft looks pretty nice and although it seems to be the year for forwards, Drummond looks like a beast and if we do end up in the bottom 7, I would try to trade Monta + pick for a chance to get him. I’m not saying that Monta + pick would get us the 1st or 2nd pick but that’s what I would try if I were the W’s FO and end up getting a pick in this draft

by Babyface Assassin on Feb 1, 2012 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

one thing I'm starting to realize...

is that monta + a mid to low lottery pick is not a good enough package to get teams to bite and trade a #1-3 pick. I was praying that Monta + 11 would entice a team like Minnesota to trade away the #2 so we could land Williams. If there was ever a year that Monta + a lottery pick were to land a top 3 pick , it was last year…you had a team that is a PERFECT fit for Monta (Minny), a player that you are targeted that us completely redundant for Minny because they are set there (Love/Williams), and a GM that is a little crazy that can make very great but also very stupid decisions (Kahn). All those variables were in play and formed “the perfect conditions” for a Monta + Lottery pick deal but it didn’t happen. So I’m of the conclusion that if it didn’t happen in 2011 it won’t happen ever.

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 1, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It just doesn’t make sense for a team with a top pick to trade for someone like Monta. If you have a top pick, it’s almost guaranteed you’re trying to build long term and not focused on winning short-term. If that’s your strategy, the high pick makes more sense than a guy like Monta who’s already in his prime and costs $$.

by Missing Barry on Feb 1, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Because if we do finish in the bottom 7, we will still end up in the same situation next year and still unable to make any significant trades due to not being able to include a 1st round pick.

Well, not necessarily. First, as soon as we exercise the pick, we can include that player in a deal, which is very similar to trading the pick itself. Second, if we hold out long enough, eventually we don’t have to give up a 1st at all – just a 2nd or two.

by Missing Barry on Feb 1, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, we could trade for a low 1st rounder at some point to give us more trading flexibility.

by Missing Barry on Feb 1, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

This means that we can’t trade any 1st round picks due to NBA rules until this matter is taken care of.

FALSE. We can trade our 2017 first rounder ;)

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo

by bigkino217 on Feb 1, 2012 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

LOL

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 1, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

hahaha

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo

by bigkino217 on Feb 1, 2012 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

has a team ever traded away a draft pick...

/and then re-traded for the draft pick/conditions back? Is this legal? If so, I would call up Utah (especially if we lose several games and are hovering in the 5-7 pick range) and see what they want for the pick/conditions. Utah looks like a team that is borderline playoffs….they also could use a scorer/shooting guard….hmmmmmmmmm

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 1, 2012 5:06 PM PST reply actions  

I forget the details, but we definitely made a trade to change the conditions on a pick in the last couple years. Maybe it was Morrow?

by Missing Barry on Feb 1, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

it was the pick mentioned in this fanpost

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo

by bigkino217 on Feb 1, 2012 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I DON"T THINK THIS YEARS DRAFT IS THAT GOOD!!!! It is deep, but I’m not seeing any franchise players out there.

Austin Rivers? The kid is like a guard version of Blake Griffin.

"You ever see a bumper sticker on a Maybach?" said by Warrior's rookie Charles Jenkins when an ESPN reporter asked why he had no tattoos.

by GoldenBlue on Feb 1, 2012 11:42 PM PST reply actions  

of all the potential stars, you name austin rivers?

a player who isn’t even considered a lottery pick in most mock drafts

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo

by bigkino217 on Feb 2, 2012 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s the only one I’ve been able to follow and believe he is going to be a cornerstone for some lucky team. Plus, being rated high on a mock draft does not necessarily translate to success.

"You ever see a bumper sticker on a Maybach?" said by Warrior's rookie Charles Jenkins when an ESPN reporter asked why he had no tattoos.

by GoldenBlue on Feb 2, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

it means that the majority of scouts and analysts don't even think he's a top 15 talent in this draft

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo

by bigkino217 on Feb 2, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, not necessarily. Who knows how much any online mock draft knows about that stuff right now. Plus, there’s a lot of time before the draft.

by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

he just hasn't impressed me at all yet

maybe when the tournament comes around, he will.

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo

by bigkino217 on Feb 3, 2012 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Isn't Anthony Davis coming in this draft?

If he is… That guys an absolute beast a freaking center that can run the floor like a point gaurd!!!

by americaneagle510 on Feb 2, 2012 7:25 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

he would probably be a 4 in the nba

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo

by bigkino217 on Feb 2, 2012 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah isn’t he like….closer to Anthony Randolph/Brandon Wright size?

by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2012 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

The big question is….is he left-handed?!

by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

lol he's right handed

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo

by bigkino217 on Feb 3, 2012 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

forget it then

tall skinny left-handed projects, that’s what we like around here

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 3, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

He is a bean pole

Put him next to any PF or C with legit size and see how good he does. I just can’t imagine him being nearly effective as he is in college. I would love to see a pic of him standing next to Dwight.

by nischwartz on Feb 2, 2012 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

I would love to see a pic of him standing next to Dwight.

I’m assuming you never saw Dwight in high school, right? Always remember a players age.

by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

fans who are infatuated with 'tanking' this season

can embrace Cha. They have a lousy owner and a coach at the end of his career who has nothing to prove. And this team, with and owner and coach who’d never consider not going all-in to win games, still managed to lose to them.

Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)

by the.monk on Feb 2, 2012 12:13 PM PST reply actions  

Bobcats

are in fact going to be an interesting case to watch.
Jordan came straight out and said that he was sick of being mediocre, and that’s why they dumped Wallace.

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 2, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

They have a lousy owner ?

in the baseball sense?

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Tanking the season is a joke...

Wow, and you guys call yourself real fans? I guess you guys haven’t learned that GSW are one of the worst drafting franchise over the years. How many quality players have we passed by even though we had a higher draft slot? Two of the top blunders of all time, passing on Kobe Bryant for Todd Fuller? Or how about Joe Smith #1 over Kevin Garnett? Our scouting department is pathetic and our management over the year have been just as incompetent. But tanking the season would guarantee us diddly squat. I can promise you that.
No legit superstar are going to want to come to Oakland. Everyone wants a quick fix or a big trade, but in fact over the years, GSW have been had in so many one sided trades for the other team. Youth movement has taken place but no one seems to understand you need veteran leadership with playoff experience to help get a young team over the hump. Stop looking for the quick fix. Build this team, but start adding the necessary veteran players to lead this team. Get a 3rd guard that can play defense to offset our 2 slight PG\SG combo. Get a quality enforcer big man to help David Lee and teach Udoh\Tyler what they need to do to succeed in this league.

by anhdazman on Feb 3, 2012 7:35 PM PST reply actions  

Wow, and you guys call yourself real fans? I guess you guys haven’t learned that GSW are one of the worst drafting franchise over the years. How many quality players have we passed by even though we had a higher draft slot? Two of the top blunders of all time, passing on Kobe Bryant for Todd Fuller? Or how about Joe Smith #1 over Kevin Garnett? Our scouting department is pathetic and our management over the year have been just as incompetent. But tanking the season would guarantee us diddly squat. I can promise you that.

Hey, just in case you didn’t notice, we had a new group of owners buy the team last year. Talking about that stuff like it means anything is silly, it’s a completely different organization than it was 10 years ago. It’s also silly to pick out the best player in each draft and complain that we didn’t pick them.

by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

wrong again

the INDIVIDUALS are diiferent, but the organization is the same—crappy.

by nelliesux on Feb 6, 2012 7:51 PM PST reply actions  

What organization is the same? Certainly not the Warriors…

by Missing Barry on Feb 6, 2012 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

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