Klay Thompson, a bust?
Jerry West see's a player.
Klay Thompson is better than Kawhi Leonard. He's the 2nd best player taken in the 2011 draft. Similar to Rick Barry, it is unclear whether Thompson's best quality is his shooting prowess, or his ability to see the floor. As a rookie, Thompson already has the strongest fundamental foundation on the team. He simply plays the game the correct way. He's very good.
In an age where players like Kevin Love are swept under the rug because they are not athletic enough to compete in the NBA, Klay Thompson faced a comparable dynamic when his ability to defend in the this league was questioned, along with his potential to be more than Kyle Korver. Even the beloved Steph Curry went through the same thing. The majority of the fans on Goldenstateofmind.com, had no idea who Thompson even was as a player, immediately calling out for Kawhi Leonard or even Marcus Morris before even giving him a chance to prove himself.
Shooting
Not since Ray Allen has a more laser perfect stroke been introduced to fans of the game. With Klay, it no longer seems to come down to hitting or missing shots, but simply the execution of his form. It does not matter if he is drifting around a screen, dribbling backwards, or streaking down the court to stop on a dime, Thompson has shown a very unique ability to square up on or off the dribble, and execute his form with perfect replication.
Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson make up for the most efficient backcourt in the NBA, easily. given 30-36 minutes a night each, teams would be unable to stop that sort of firepower, especially considering that both players are the son's of ex-NBA players, and are exceptionally well versed in matters of basketball IQ.
Both are unselfish and understand the manipulation of defenses through ball movement and constant threat of the high percentage shot. Great shooters understand that giving up the dribble weakens their greatest weapon, and thus allows the defense to cheat. Curry and Thompson understanding this, would make for a much more potent offense.
Court Vision and Passing
I watched a play where Thompson's court vision impressed me:
He caught the ball in motion as he crossed the three point line on the left side and met a charging defender who emerged from the paint. Klay switched the ball to his left and executed a hesitation move, which forced the defender to pause against his momentum, leaving him staggered. In the midst of the hesitation, a help defender behind Thompson reached for the ball, and sensing this, Klay then threw the ball ahead of himself, passed the staggered defender to his right side, took a long step to catch up with the ball, and then quickly secured it with both hands as he was now at the rim. The center left Jeremy Tyler, and challenged Thompson as he left his feet for the attack. As soon as the center left the ground, Klay threw a wrap-around pass that led to a Tyler dunk.
His head is always up. His awareness and cool allowed him to stay in the play long enough to see how it fared out. And when it did, he made the right decision.
"I watched Klay all through grade school (played against my son in Portland before moving to LA) and on the tube when he was at WSU. When he was a kid, he excelled at seeing the floor and playmaking. The best I had ever seen. His shooting came along as he got older. The only thing that will hold Klay back is himself. As long has he gains sufficient confidence and doesn't get down on himself he will excel as a starter." - David, Warriors Fan
Getting down on himself seems to be Klay's biggest enemy. Jim Barnett stated that he'd like to see Klay smile more. So would I. I speculate that he is unhappy that he is not playing well enough to decisively take Dorell Wright's position, even though it is obvious that he is the better player in all facets of the game.
Pride and Confidence

Klay has an edge to his game - A quiet determination that drives him to compete. He does not seem so impressed with the national attention the game receives, not enough so that it will make or break his mentality. This is extremely rare for a young player.
It was a preseason game that he shot 2-15 and had a terrible game, but he was determined to find his touch, and was not afraid to sacrifice what seemed like a futile effort in order to prepare himself for the real thing. As the season progressed into the very early stages, Thompson absolutely struggled to score on a very fundamental level. This did not slow him down one bit. As a rookie, missing a high volume of consecutive shots can be devastating to your confidence.
This guy believes in his game. He finds conviction in his talent, and believes in it. That's the kind of true grit that great players are made of.
Defense
It comes back to his pride as a player, and as Mark Jackson loves to say, "holding himself accountable".
He has not fouled out of a game this season, and he understands how to defend without fouling. He does not put his hands on players, he moves his feet, he stays down, and he forces his opponent into the help. Watch him off the ball. He understands how to disable passing lanes, and he always takes the correct angle on his man relative to the ball.
He isn't scared of crashing the glass, and understands his length as an advantage. He challenges shots at the rim and tries to block them. He is not a quitter.
Scoring
How does Stephen Jackson score despite being an average shooter and a poor ball handler? He understands how to use triple threat.
Klay Thompson does not terminate the dribble. He does not waste dribbles. Like Jackson, he understands that triple threat can keep your defender in a limbo, and is great for setting up drives, especially when you are ambidextrous. Thompson makes great use of the left hand, and can pass or finish with it.
He has wonderful body control in close, which allows him to finish under the rim over the bigs. He never loses his head at the rim and takes his time in a hurry. This allows him to make use of an assortment of moves. He's aware of how to get an open shot in traffic without being in a rush.
Conclusion
He's the perfect running mate for Stephen Curry and David Lee. All three of them have a high BB IQ (Lee, especially) and Thompson takes some pressure off of Curry, (not being a natural point guard) allowing him a teammate to take on some of the decision-making duties.
Curry's strengths are tremendous off the ball, as a spot-up shooter. Klay allows him to be this, as Thompson understands how to secure the ball, create an angle, and set up teammates.
Thompson's strengths are tremendous of the ball, as a spot-up shooter. Their strengths are symmetric. Curry does for Thompson off the ball, just Thompson does for Curry.
Thompson is the real deal and a pure basketball player. He understands the game much more than Monta Ellis, and should be awarded his position as the Warriors' starting shooting guard. He is the perfect running mate for Stephen Curry, and at the end of the day, both players will be better for it.
Would you rather have Monta Ellis or Klay Thompson as your future starting 2 guard?
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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KLAY = not a bust..
klay >>>> ellis..
now CAN WE PLEASE PLEASE PRETTTY PLEASE play Tyler and Jenkins some heavy minutes for at least ten games!!!!!!! please????? as a warriors fan?
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 11, 2012 4:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I did actually. What are you referring to?
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 11, 2012 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
Excuse me, and it was a nice post btw!
I’m super happy that when people were calling klay a bust that we stuck it out and gave him enough time to prove himself. I really hope we can do the same for the other rookies and learn from the stupid Lin fiasco..
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 11, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
Rec'd lilboots...nice post.
I love Klay’s..poise…on the floor….gotta admit that I was yearning for Markief Morris and still like him but Klay seems to be improving game by game…my inner homer is thinking…Reggie Miller!
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
thank you
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 12, 2012 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
He's already is the finisher
He was the one that went off in the 4th quarter of the last game while Monta watched.
Curry
Thompson
Rush
Lee
Udoh
Finished and shut the door on the other team. I just think if Klay starts Monta is fresher and can do better in the 4th. Not that we will see that if Klay keeps rolling.
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Time to see what we can get for Ellis
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Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
Or anyone else
Seeing as though we kinda suck
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
by dubzfan on Feb 11, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Simple but elegant.
Seeing as though we kinda suck
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
You should get a job as the Warriors PR guy (or whoever it is that writes the bios and statements and other stuff)
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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He’s the perfect running mate for Stephen Curry and David Lee
Eh, we have enough scorers
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
okay so how about the fact that he's a better defender than Monta?
and the offense is just a whipped topping that makes your ice cream that much sweeter?
by Nith on Feb 11, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It is a definite plus
But if we are going to try and make a threesome that are real contenders with Lee and Curry you will need an elite defender, not a good one . Klay is a very nice player, but not a savior (at least not likely)
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
Unlikely saviors seem to be trending these days.
by lilboots on Feb 11, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
True words...
Who cares if he’s a “savior.”
You can improve if you just keep better better players.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
well, if we can score a elite defending center and small forward we would be in good shape
with those 3 maybe…
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 11, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
Center X
Dwight , Bynum and Chandler are the only C’s that fit this bill and we will not have any of them. If 1 super awesome center is holding your team back more then anything else you should readjust your team and your priorities. Everyone wants that super center, people find ways to win without them
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
The problem is you cannot have elite defenders at every position
because most elite defenders aren’t that good of scorers. Klay has already shown good fundamental defense and he’s played less than 25 games. I think his jumper is always going to be there so he’s going to improve his defense and shot creating.
But when Lee and CUrry are your building blocks elite defenders are a must
Even if they aren’t good scorers
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
then that's where we differ
I don’t consider Lee a building block. I do consider Curry one, but his defense isn’t horrid enough to the point where you need elite defenders at the remaining 4 positions.
I think Lee is a winner
He’s got a very high intelligence on the court. Granted, he’s not a great defensive player and he has weaknesses. But he does things pretty well that you need to win.
I think the league seems to be evolving in such a way, where the “all-around” center is sort of an extinction. Shot blockers are the new craze, and every winning franchise seems to be settling for one.
It seems the popular method has simply come to plugging in a defensive 5 around your core. Luckily for the Warriors, and for Lee, an athletic, big, shot-blocking center is exactly what both of them need.
You can't build around someone his age...
Building implies it’s a multi year process, and as he ages he will only get worse. In a little over a year he’ll be 30… Not exactly a building block anymore.
I think Lee is a winner
has he even been part of an above .500 team?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
All I know is that he plays smart ball, he rebounds (which covers for some of his defensive deficiencies), and he’s probably our most consistent player. I could sort of care less about who or what he’s played for.
he also is terrible at defense, and that's half the game
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
His poor defense is resigned to under the rim. He doesn’t have the length or explosion to really challenge shots, and doesn’t have the lower body strength to really keep people out of the paint.
His saving grace on the defensive end is his rebounding. He’s smart, he communicates, he’s aware of positioning, and his foot speed isn’t atrocious on the perimeter as a spot help defender.
But yeah, in the post, he’s a bad defender…Which is why the Warriors need to do what every single team in the NBA is trying to do, in nabbing a big, athletic, shot-changing center.
The point is that he’s a smart player who makes good decisions. He’s consistent in 3 very important aspects to the game that correlate strongly to wins.
I don’t really understand all the dissatisfaction with Lee. Yeah, he’s overpaid 2-3 million, but that’s just the nature of the beast.
Go look down the rosters of the other 29 NBA teams, and I guarantee you’ll find 1-3 guys who you could feasibly argue are overpaid by a similar disparity.
I would rather have a good, over-paid player, than a bad over-paid player. Lee is not a bad player
He’s really doing a good job playing on a team with no center. If we had used the amnesty on Lee, we wouldn’t be talking about “sneaking in” the playoffs right now.
Teams with players on deals like Lee's aren't good.
Or are lucky and have someone like Dwight Howard.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
they have a superstar
any team with a superstar is going to be ok
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
it's really simple
the best deals in the nba are superstars and good players on rookie deals. if you have those, you can overcome a bad contract, because you have plenty of good contracts. if you don’t then a bad contract will cripple you.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Yeah, I get it.
It sounds like you’re saying our most consistent player who isn’t making 12 million dollars this year while averaging 20 and 10 will hurt our chances of developing our team further, because we can’t navigate a star’s salary around his contract.
I won’t buy it. Losing is what is crippling us. Having Monta Ellis as the main ball-handler/scorer is crippling us. David Lee is not.
If you want to talk about a bad player with a bad contract, talk about Andris. Talk about Rashard Lewis.
But don’t try to sell me how David Lee is hurting our chances of acquiring a star, or winning games. He’s overpaid 3-4 million, tops. That’s the cost of some below average free agent, or a rookie on his 1st contract.
Whoop-dee-doo.
It’s not as bad as you’re making it sound. The team just has to be smart from here on out, and maybe call a bluff or two. Jackson needs to build team chemistry so that guys want to stay here, and maybe a few want to join.
He’s overpaid 3-4 million
in a couple years it’ll be a lot more than that
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
He's a 5 year, 35-40 million dollar big.
So yeah lol.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 15, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
he may communicate and be aware of positioning
but that doesn’t seem to help his defense. he’s an awful help defender above all else.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Look, I’m not trying to say he’s a good defender. He is not.
I am trying to say that Lee helps much more than he hurts. I like having a team comprised of guys who know how to play the game. I think Lee can be a starting power forward on a winning team.
I really believe it all comes down to who’s playing next to him at the 5. If you want to disagree with me, fine. We will agree to disagree. I don’t care.
well sure
anyone can be a starter on a winning team if they’re surrounded by good players.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Yeah, and I’m saying Lee is a good player.
Put him next to a shot-blocking/rebounding 5, just like the entire league is thriving to do, and the front court will be fine.
if you put him next to a shot-blocking/rebounding 5
we’ll be winning because of the shot-blocking/rebounding 5. not because of david lee
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
I never said I thought he was a building block
But the W’s do
RIP Al Davis
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I know that…
You’re not listening. When you’re paying a guy 15 or whatever million a year, it would be dumb to make him sound like he’s anything but part of the future. This isn’t wise unless you have takers lined up, or the player is nearing the end of their contract.
Whether it is so is beyond the point.
Didn't get that deal way back from when he was a Sonic?
And he was thought to be really good?
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Well Udoh could become an elite defending center...
Unfortunately he doesnt seem to have the touch for rebounding, scoring and passing or…catching.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Ellis for Iggy
Curry
Klay
Iggy
Lee
Udoh
Monster perimeter defender. Monster post defender. 3 other guys that at the very least understand how to move their feet and anticipate. Can’t ask for more.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
This trade has been argued to death.
It just won’t happen. Philly is playing too well and he’s too important to that system.
Yeah I know it won't happen :/
Just like DeAndre and Tyson and CP3 and a million others never end up happening :/
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
AND, philly doesn't need Monta
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 13, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Hmmm..sounds somewhat familiar...
Ellis for Iggy
Coulda sworn that I heard that some before?
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
I never said I was being original
and I mentioned in a reply that I realize this trade more than likely won’t happen (barring anything catastrophic in Philly).
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Klay is definitely a good addition he has size, D, and shooting for a 2. I really do wish we trade Monta though he is very much unappreciated here its ridiculous.
by Benchftw on Feb 11, 2012 5:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Seeing how Monta is better than Dwayne Wade, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, and Rajon Rondo, I don’t see any method of reasoning with him to be anything but the no. 1 option.
DUDE, did you even read the above post? jk ( :
Honestly I dont see it hurting Monta’s stock at all to switch things up and bring Monta in off the bench at like 20 mins a game.. and with Klay getting 28 he gets to imrpove his game and INCREASE his stock around the league.
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 11, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Who 'is similar to Rick Barry' ??
did you follow Barry’s rookie season in the league ? he was one of the quickest and fastest players in the league both with and without the ball, and an above average rebounder. he drew fouls constantly by going to the hoop. o.k., the two players are around the same height. Thompson could be the more accurate shooter from the perimeter, but the comparison is problematic because there was no three point shot in college for Barry, and in the pros only after he switched leagues. Hard hand checking by defenders on the perimeter was also permitted.
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by the.monk on Feb 11, 2012 8:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This was a post hyping up Klay Thompson
Just roll with it :)
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by doubleteapot on Feb 11, 2012 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Similar to Rick Barry, it is unclear whether Thompson’s best quality is his shooting prowess, or his ability to see the floor.
This is not a direct comparison. I’m saying that it’s not clear if Thompson’s shooting alone, outweighs his value as a playmaker who makes good decisions.
Rick Barry was similar in that sense, because he was another player who was known to thrive in both of these aspects. I’m not saying Klay Thompson plays like Rick Barry, has similar physical attributes, talent, potential, etc..
Rather, both players do two things extremely well. That statement was meant to emphasize that I wasn’t sure which they did better, or which was more valuable to their respected games. I don’t know if that makes any sense, but I suppose I should have been more clear with my words.
I believe he will be the best Warrior since Rick Barry played in Oakland.
But please forgive me for that one. Parish, Mully, and maybe Mitch will have him. I still think he will be a multiple all-star and a great player.
Your forgiven…once on a hype role it is hard to even out the high…;-)
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Ridiculous Beyond Words
Rick Barry is one of the greatest players to ever live and putting this guy in the same sentence with Barry is a freaking joke. His skill set isn’t in the same zip code as Rick Barry. This is one of the stupidest comparisons ever. Please lets be reasonable here in these blogs.
i'm excited about play too....
think he’s going to be real good when his body is completely filled out…he reminds me a lot of Kobe.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 11, 2012 8:36 PM PST reply actions
lol...play Thompson...
meant KLAY obi
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 11, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
His bod looks pretty "filled out" already?
Are or you referring to muscles and tats? ;-) Sorry I am in a “mood” taday.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Klay would be better served off the bench for now
What some of you don’t seem to realize is how much Klay benefits from playing most of his minutes with the defensive 2nd unit. Klay can hide on defense because the 2nd unit is so much better defensively then the 1st unit, allowing Klay to focus more on his offense. Klay is not a great defender, he just benefits from playing alongside good defenders, and I have a feeling he’d be exposed in the 1st unit.
Secondly, and I forget the exact stats, listening to 85.7 the game talking about Klay last week on the drive, they asked Steinmetz about what they he thought of Klay. And MS basically said that in catch and shoot situations, Klay was the best or 2nd best shooting guard in the league in terms of efficiency, but he was like like the 3rd worse guard in the league when he put the ball on the floor before making a play. Translation, he is a catch and shoot offensive player and his floor game needs alot of work.
Lastly, as much flak as Ellis and Curry get on these boards, I continue to believe that if this team can upgrade its center position (both starting and backup aka resign Kwame) that they would be a significantly improved team. Sadly, the only way I see us getting a quality center is to trade Monta or Curry, but I wouldn’t trade either them unless it was for a high draft pick or for a quality starting center. Since I don’t forsee either of those occurring, I’d rather hold on to our players and see what types of move can be made in the off season.
by kyzah on Feb 11, 2012 9:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
What some of you don’t seem to realize is how much Klay benefits from playing most of his minutes with the defensive 2nd unit.
It seems if someone is playing well, Jackson usually allows them to stay in the game and bleed over to the other unit. Thompson is usually inserted in the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters. If he plays well, which he has lately, he will see time late in the game.
Klay can hide on defense because the 2nd unit is so much better defensively then the 1st unit, allowing Klay to focus more on his offense.
I feel like this is more or less a common myth. You don’t benefit from your teammates defensively if you’re constantly playing poor defense and allowing opponents to get high % shots and trips to the foul line. These things are not unobtrusive just because Brandon Rush and McGuire are in the game.
Klay is not a great defender, he just benefits from playing alongside good defenders, and I have a feeling he’d be exposed in the 1st unit.
I wouldn’t call him a great defender. He’s certainly one of the better perimeter defenders on the team, though. I’d definitely say he’s a better defender than any of our starting 5 on the perimeter. I’m actually very impressed with his individual defense. He doesn’t get duped into dumb fouls and he moves his feet well. He challenges shots without drifting into the defender and stays down most of the time.
Translation, he is a catch and shoot offensive player and his floor game needs alot of work.
I don’t really take what Matt Steinmetz says any more serious than I would Gary “the coach” St. Jean. In the beginning of the season, Thompson really struggled to make anything. Since then, he’s regularly scoring on drives and relaxed pull up jumpers off the dribble. Have you been watching any recent games?
It’s hard to make more of a small sample size, but it’s obvious that he’s becoming more comfortable as the weeks go by.
Sadly, the only way I see us getting a quality center is to trade Monta or Curry, but I wouldn’t trade either them unless it was for a high draft pick or for a quality starting center.
I would love to see Andrew Bogut in a Warriors’ uniform. He’s had two freak injuries that he should recover from. He made the All-NBA team. It’d be interesting to know how the Buck’s patience is running with him. I don’t think they would trade him for Monta Ellis straight up, but I would definitely inquire about making some sort of deal.
Bogut Or Kaman
I agree with you on Bogut. If they could get him on the cheap, he would be worth a look and so would Kamen.
He plays with a chip on his shoulder. To me, I think that’s maybe the most important attribute you’d want in a center. He’s very aggressive.
This is what the Warriors need. He also blocks about 4 shots a game. He’s a great passer, and he rebounds.
Excellent teammate for Lee, and a very underrated, and somewhat forgotten center.
He and Lee could make just about any outlet pass; both are great passing the rock. You could play them both in the high pick and roll, and they could find each other well in the paint.
Would agree completely with this observation.
Translation, he is a catch and shoot offensive player and his floor game needs alot of work.
Looks like he may be able to do that…if so then he will be gold.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Great diary, lil boots, hyperbole notwithstanding. Just this morning I was looking at the scoring efficiency of the Top 20 players taken in this year’s draft. Check it out:
True shooting pct.
.585 Klay Thompson
.577 Kyrie Irving
.569 Tobias Harris
.527 Enes Kanter
.516 Nikola Vucevic
.503 Brandon Knight
.500 Jimmer Fredette
.498 Derrick Williams
.494 Bismack Biyombo
.494 Kawhi Leonard
.483 Alec Burks
.481 Markieff Morris
.465 Chris Singleton
.460 Kemba Walker
.451 Tristan Thompson
.443 Iman Shumpert
.431 Jan Vesely
.230 Marcus Morris
[n/a Valanciunas, Motiejunas]
I mean, Klay should be up there, since shooting was basically his calling card going into the draft, and he’s older and a more “finished product” than most of the other guys on the list. But still … the “margin of victory” thus far is pretty stunning. Check out the cavalcade of suck after Vucevic — not a single player scoring with even mediocre efficiency!
Of course, it’s still very early — both in the season, and in their careers. And of course, there’s much more to being a good NBA player than scoring efficiently (though I think it’s still a criminally underrated factor on a lot of sports blogs). We should revisit this again in a year or so. In the meantime, everyone who crankily dissed Klay after a couple of poor shooting nights early on should raise their hand sheepishly.
[raises hand sheepishly].
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 11, 2012 10:10 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
I find it sort of encouraging that Klay struggled shooting the ball through January, and that those stats abide by what his current TS% have become. I have my doubts that he will see such a slump for the rest of the year, for reasons precluded, but we’ll see what he’s made of, for sure. And thank you. It will be interesting to know the attitude coming into his sophomore season.
hopefully we can see him keep a similar TS% when his volume starts increasing
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
So, he's Anthony Morrow?
Good to know.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 12, 2012 2:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I did rip Klay
Bricks are made of Klay.
But never called for a trade or said he was the wrong pick. I had a feeling his shooting would come around, just like Curry in his rookie year.
How is Klay Thompson not playing in the rookie game?
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Feb 12, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
He's one of the oldest of those players, and all he is, is a shooter.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
I acknowledged both of those caveats in my post. Also he’s not the “oldest” on the list. I don’t feel like checking the whole list, but he’s at younger than at least two: the Morri.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 12, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
Also he’s not the "oldest" on the list.
I said:
He’s one of the oldest of those players
Not sure where the disagreement is. I know he isn’t the oldest.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, I missed the “one of” part. My bad.
So basically you were just rephrasing what I already had written?
shooting was basically his calling card going into the draft, and he’s older […] than most of the other guys on the list.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 12, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
You noted that.
But it didn’t seem like it changed your opinion much. That’s where we differ. I think it’s a big deal.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
But it didn’t seem like it changed your opinion much.
I didn’t really offer a strong opinion, other than (1) we should revisit this again in a year, and (2) everyone who dissed Klay after a couple of poor shooting nights early on should “raise their hand sheepishly.”
You wanna raise your hand proudly rather than sheepishly, that’s OK, too, I guess. So long as J-Ridah can see you and count you. ;-P
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 13, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
He's withing 100 days of the Morris twins and younger than Jimmer and Singleton. Yay.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
And he hasn't progressed much in the NBA so far either...
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Since the end of his rookie season.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
Warriors drafted the youngest player in the draft when they picked Randolph.
Being extremely young doesn’t exactly mean you’re going to improve.
I can sum this whole thread up. Gov would be much mo pleased if Klay was where he is now in terms of production if he were 21
Nicola vuvevic would be his only hope tho at success, and i doubt he would have picked him.. Time will reveal soon enough if klay is truely better than these other cats ( i think we scored personally)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 13, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Loooks like all my homerism on him was juuuuuuust fine (eats donut)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 12, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
homerism is food for the soul.
Got the title now just need the screen play….
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
What I really like about Klay
is that even as a rookie, he seems to know when it’s ‘right’ for him to shoot and when he should pass it up and look for a better spot off the ball. He very rarely forces up a shot just to ‘get into rhythm’, there’s a real cool calculation to his game, which is practically never seen in a rookie.
Has anyone noticed how Klay has that ancient Egyptian emperor look?
Hollywood beckons…
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Other Conclusion
Mrs. Thompson is smoking.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 11, 2012 10:55 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Curry's mom is hotter...
No relation to Matt Cain...
by Caine Black Knife on Feb 20, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
that's clearly where Klay gets his "chick lips"
just me? or anyone else notice this about Klay too?
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 13, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
OK Duby...like a recent Knicks coach said "I am going to ride this like freakin Secretariate"
that’s clearly where Klay gets his “chick lips”
But since you are a good guy I will let you off this time..:-p
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 21, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of Mrs Thompson...Wowza! What a great looking moma.
The girls in Klays life must feel a bit …intimidated.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Klay can be the starting point guard?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
Thanks Lilboots, that was a fun read. Klay has played well recently, and it was nice to see something here not about NY’s new point guard.
I’m still not sure what to think of Klay though. Not that I hate him or anything… I just have a hard time believing he’s a better pick for us than Kawhi would have been. It’s easy to point to scoring, but Kawhi is starting for a very strong Spurs team that’s winning without Manu. We can’t win consistently without Kwame Brown, but the Spurs won six in a row without Manu, with Duncan playing less minutes than ever, and holding teams to 86 points a game during the streak.
I hope that Klay turns into a superstar for us, and that he helps lead this team to great things. He’s a Warriors, and I’m a Warriors fan. But the post didn’t include any statistical data to back up it’s numerous claims, and there wasn’t any comparative analysis to convince me that he’s the answer moving forward.
I guess it seemed like pro-Klay propaganda, which I’m ok with, though I wish there was more fact and less hyperbole.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 12, 2012 1:22 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I must admit, I’m not an advanced stats guy. Apologies. I should take the time to become more versed in these matters, but I’d just as soon record every game and watch them 2 or 3 more times over the subsequent nights. But if you know of any websites that are close to free of charge, and allow you the full alchemy of their data, I’d be more than happy to do the grunt work, if the means justify the cause.
Haha fair enough. Like I said, I enjoyed the read, and the presentation was far beyond anything I’m remotely capable of on a computer (I recently learned how to cut and paste- it’s a lot easier than writing down what someone posted and then typing it!).
Maybe some of our resident statistical badasses could step in and help confirm the message your preaching. I would certainly welcome it, but for now I’m still in the “why didn’t we draft Kawhi?” camp.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 12, 2012 10:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
regardless of how one views Thompson's ceiling,
it should be universally agreed upon that Thompson needs to play increased minutes. Whether that means taking away minutes from Wright or Robinson or Monta, it needs to be done. Surely that will happen if GS fades far out of it in the next month
Universally is big word but count me in....
it should be universally agreed upon that Thompson needs to play increased minutes
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Great post!
I really like Klay as well, he reminds me of a less explosive Ray Allen. When Ray was in Seattle I had the privilege of seeing him play in person and he just made everything looks SO easy – throwing dime passes, hit jumpers from everyone, running point – under appreciated at the time.
Klay is also going to be very good. He is a throwback type player, great shooter, makes all the right decisions, sees the floor, knows the angles. I’m not sure he has the explosiveness or the speed to be an all star -but hopefully I am wrong,
It does make me wonder if we can pull off a trade for a good SF for Monta, because trading him for a center is alot more difficult. Batum, Ariza, Deng, Thaddeus Young – all would be an upgrade over Dorrel Wright.
Starting five: Curry, Klay, Batum, Lee, Udoh (for now, sigh).
Glad you guys are liking Klay...
he is surely missed at Wazzu… if he stayed, along with our center Casto, we would have been locks for a Pac12 championship… Just wait until he really explodes… When the guy catches fire, he has no problem scoring some points… his last game in the Pac10, he broke the scoring record in the Pac10 tournament with 43pts in 37min…
by james_WSU on Feb 12, 2012 9:47 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
If you really wanna be a writer
You should spend more time on getting the flow right. Tell me what’s wrong with the following paragraph and how to make it more readable?
“Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson make up for the most efficient backcourt in the NBA, easily. given 30-36 minutes a night each, teams would be unable to stop that sort of firepower, especially considering that both players are the son’s of ex-NBA players, and are exceptionally well versed in matters of basketball IQ.”
Do they really easily apply makeup for the most efficient backcourt in the NBA? and who might these efficient voyeurs be??
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 12, 2012 10:28 AM PST reply actions
Appreciate the criticism
and I appreciate the effort you put into these threads. Please keep ‘em coming and like Sleepy don’t hesitate to tell me when I’m full of crap :>)
It’s not scholarly, it’s just long years of observing stuff.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 12, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Klank?
Has exceeded our expectations and looks like he’s gonna be a keeper. Now we just gotta get him loosened up and smiling a bit.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 12, 2012 10:31 AM PST reply actions
I like the serious look.
Makes me think he’s all business out there, unlike Beans. If Beans was that serious, he might be able to get more done (or anything done).
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Feb 12, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
I like the serious look.
depends on if you want to enjoy your game or make it like work? I watch games for the fun not the stress so I enjoy players who look like they are having fun entertaining me.Jarret jack eating popcorn from the lady’s lap for instance.or Binky’s shimmy,or cousins pointing downfield after a charge :>)
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 12, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Smiling modifies your attitude.
Telemarketers usually have a mirror in front of them and are told to smile, because it changes your attitude. Klay looks all business, which will probably lead to a more consistent game.
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Feb 12, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Unless you live in some stone age Bronx zoo, where your dad constantly lives in his 5 0’clock shadow and crushes beer cans on your head every time you want to get in a glimpse of “Transformers” between time-out commercial breaks, I think it’s safe to say every child, woman, and man watches, “because it’s fun”.
I watch games for the fun not the stress so I enjoy players who look like they are having fun
Luck you’re still a Warriors’ fan. I’m relieved the past 20 years of cat piss stench hasn’t dilated your delicate sensibilities to seek your fandom elsewhere. Good to know all it takes is a Coke and smile to keep you good old boys in the freaking coffer.
Good to know all it takes is a Coke and smile to keep you good old boys in the freaking coffer.
Coke colored JackDaniels.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 12, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Klay has always been that way.
He doesn’t show too much emotion while he’s playing, but he started to open up a bit his last year at Wazzu. He is a good kid though; he got suspended for a game his Jr year because a cop found a small amount of marijuana in his car. The game he was suspended, he took the microphone and apologized to the students, alumni, and school for making the mistake.
Lets call his girlfriend a find out what it takes to get him to crack a wide smile...
I like the serious look.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Or perhaps the issue is that he hasnt found one in the bay area?
In that case lets find him one…
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
The expectations were that he could shoot and not do much else.
What’s been exceeded?
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 12, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
he's not a horrendous defender
he’s just bad. does that count as exceeding?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Hmmm. An excellent point.
Perhaps it does.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 13, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Klay's a good shooter.
And very good at running off screens and creating space…he’s a bad defender and rebounder, and can’t drive the ball for his life. He’s one of the oldest players taken in the first 20 picks. I like him. But I think there’s a lot of rookies that I would over him based on their all around games and potential.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 8:07 PM PST reply actions
He is not a bad defender.
Please back this up.
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Feb 12, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
You think he's an average or good defender?
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
He's got horrible foot speed.
He fouls at a very high rate…he’s got decent size but that’s it.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
I think he is absolutely an average defender.
If it was all about foot speed, why wouldn’t Monta be a great defender? Klay is long, understands individual concepts, and understands team concepts. He knows where he is supposed to be, he stays in good position. I do not think a team sees Klay in the game and thinks, “Oh, we’ve got this clown.” Nor are they intimidated by him. He is an average defender.
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Feb 12, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
He's averaging 5 fouls per 36.
That’s unbelievably high for a non big. Especially when he doesn’t create many positive defensive plays like steals or blocks. I think he’s a bad defender, that doesn’t mean he isn’t better than Monta or Curry…if you haven’t noticed most of our players are horrible defenders.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
small sample size
I also think bench players tend to average much higher fouls per 36 just by virtue of the game. They play less minutes, but if they catch 2-3 fouls in 20 staggered minutes of play (say 1 foul in first 8 minutes, then no fouls, then 1 foul in the last 4 minutes) then their fouls per 36 are always going to be high.
Steals and blocks are not an indicator of defense… Goodness Gov I’m pretty sure you’ve lectured other people for using steals and blocks as a defensive indicator.
I think he’s right average. Keep in mind what you’re comparing average to. This league is slowly slowly getting to the point where you can’t even touch a guy when he has the ball or it’s a foul, so obviously average defense isn’t going to be as tight as we expect.
He also averaged three fouls a game in college (his final season).
And he was known to be a relatively poor position defender (something I witnessed first hand for three seasons).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 12, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
I witnessed him first hand for three seasons.
He was in no way a poor defender in college. I’m sorry but I really disagree with you.
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Feb 13, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
He gave effort on defense, and made the right rotations, but he just wasn't quick enough to stay in front of the better college players.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 14, 2012 2:37 AM PST up reply actions
Watched him in person every home game for 3 years and every road game on TV.
I just disagree with you on this. I’ve scene him stay in front of a lot of good college players.
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Feb 14, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
RAPM suggests he's a bad defender
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
He’s only played 25 games in limited minutes. I don’t know how much you can take away from those stats. Klay has a -0.6 rating on defense, which is identical to Kawhi Leonard. Klay isn’t a bad defender. He isn’t a lock down type of defender, but he is far from a liability on the defensive end.
Exactly what I've been saying.
Thank you.
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Feb 14, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
klay is actually -1.1
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
i guess that's as of the 11th, so it could be a bit different
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Well, we all know WSU fans aren't the most unbiased people in the universe.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 14, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Just because I'm a fan doesn't mean I can't look at him objectively.
We all know UW fans aren’t the most rational people in the universe ;)
Connor Halliday is my man crush.
by crimson and gray on Feb 14, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Steals and blocks are not an indicator of defense… Goodness Gov I’m pretty sure you’ve lectured other people for using steals and blocks as a defensive indicator.
The point is he fouls a ton without even trying to do these things. He’s essentially fouling because he can’t keep up with people, which is a huge problem. His foot speed is atrocious. Again, it’s not his fault really, but it’s a problem.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Is that stat based off how many fouls he averages when guarding his own man? What about offensive fouls?
I only ask because he it seemed like he was getting at least one offensive foul per game, doing his “pass and crash” or pushing off with his off arm to create space before pulling up for a jumper. I’ve also seen him pick up some cheap fouls because a bigger guy got an offensive rebound and Klay couldn’t do much except foul the guy since the guy was bigger and right under the hoop.
Well Burke has faster foot speed but....
The homer in me likes Klay’s game by game steady improvement…and I see him defending quite well actually…and actually not fouling as readily as most rooks? But he does have that dispicable age thing thing going…sigh just when my homer high was at its peak…..
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 14, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Just like size, it matters.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
In both cases, it isn’t the ultimate determinant of success. I’ll put my money on talent and work ethic over age or size.
by Slightly Hyphy on Feb 12, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
+ .5
I agree to an extent, sometimes age and size is huge ( Monroe) and other times it isn’t. I think for example Thomas Robinson will be a good NBA player but he isn’t super big or very young
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
Robinson's pretty big.
7’1 wingspan, 6’9 in shoes. Very muscular.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 12, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
He's kinda short for a PF
But his bounce makes up for it along with his arms , but he is a junior
RIP Al Davis
PS3 - agentpoop (dont ask why the name... tell me if your from a blog)
twitter - @nateoak5
"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
Klay Bust?
I don’t think he’s gonna be a bust, he busted out of that shell and that awful slump start early in the season though.
7
Did you even bother reading the article?
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Maybe Klay is our James Harden?
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Klay is pretty much the exact opposite of Harden (except that they both shoot a bunch of threes).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 13, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Klay is pretty much the exact opposite of Harden
but he’d look cool in Harden’s beard. A GSW Abe Lincoln figure…I cannot tell a lie, I can outshoot the curry at three’s
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Truth.
Everyone would look good in Harden’s beard.
reggiebeard.jpg
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 13, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
obviously the way they play is different
but I meant supposedly unathletic guys with high bbiq who many people underestimated coming out of college
Harden was a much higher picks, but there wasn’t a lot of hoopla surrounding him until this season really
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
I guess I don't see it.
I was sure Harden was going to be really good watching him dominate at ASU (and dunk on a bunch of people, not sure you can call him unathletic). I think playing in the desert for a shitty school no one cares about definitely led to him being underrated.
Klay is exactly what people expected him to be, though. A guy that can stand still and shoot at a high rate.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 14, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
I was sure Harden
Oh, right. You were sure, therefore everyone else was.
Klay is exactly what people expected him to be, though. A guy that can stand still and shoot at a high rate.
He’s clearly more than that. He’s not standing still when he’s coming off screens. He’s also driven to the basket enough to suggest he has that capability.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
I already said he was taken 3rd
but still people didn’t really appreciate his game until OKC got to the playoffs
I mean, if you ask J-RIDAH, he didn’t even know who he was until a few days ago
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Oh, right. You were sure, therefore everyone else was.
Did you not read my next sentence?
He’s clearly more than that. He’s not standing still when he’s coming off screens. He’s also driven to the basket enough to suggest he has that capability.
Ok. Change “stand still and shoot” to “catch a pass and shoot.”
86.4 %AST and .7 FGA/G at the rim (and a .03 FTR) say it all. He obviously has time (and room) to develop, but he’s exactly who people thought he would be at this point. A guy that can shoot really well but won’t drive or create his own shot.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 14, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
The main similarity that prompted my original comment was that they are both arguably better than the starting SG that they come in for. Harden clearly is. Klay arguably is already, but certainly will be sooner or later, if he isn’t already.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
A guy that can stand still and shoot at a high rate.
actually he’s shown a talent for moving to the right spot at the right time. The things he has not done well are things that are fixable and will fix themselves with more experience.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 14, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Another WSU fan here to give you a little insight on Klay.
In my opinion his biggest strength is that he is always adding to his game. He will take his weaknesses and work on them all summer and turn them into a strength. His freshman year he was strictly a catch and shoot player. He only took 31 free throws. His sophomore year he started attacking the basket and took 166. His Junior year he really improved his ball handling and play making, and even added a little post up game. He’s not the type of guy who is going to be content with being spot up shooter, he will put in the time to become more than that.
thanks!
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
He's not better than Kawhi...
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Even if he is...
He’s 2 years older than him..
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 15, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Since Kawhi himself is already one of the top rookies, I'd bet he's the better player at 21 or 22.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 15, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think they'll both be good.
We just need to keep that in mind.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 16, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Actually 1 yr, 4.5 mos
Hopefully Kawhi’s hands stop growing, because he is going to have a tough time becoming a good shooter with those frying pans.
Haha

On the bright side, he’ll be rebounding everything in sight…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 15, 2012 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
On the bright side, he’ll be rebounding everything in sight…
don’t forget shotblocking and pass deflecting too
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
I love me some klay thompson but
when it comes down to it burks is the more complete player and has shown it when he gets minutes. Better defender(suprisingly improved his defense alot after the draft), not afraid to drive/is a good slasher and obviously not as good of a shooter, but has improved especially his three game. Plus it’s easier to improve tyour jumpshot than to improve your driving ability and change your mindset as a player
when it comes down to it burks is the more complete player
I was for Burks over Klank due to his athleticism but Klay has performed quite well for a rookie and I’m happy with him. I haven’t seen any of burk’s play so I don’t know if I’d still prefer him.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 18, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
he's played well when he gets time
which he is starting to do.
Past three games
10.6 points
.6 TOs
3 Rebounds
1 steal per game
17.6 minutes
pretty solid, saw him alot at colorado and saw kthompson at WSU since Im a cal and colorado fan and I think bth are poised for sucess
Don't Be Like The Front Office
He looks like he will be a nice player. Don’t over value him like the front office does with all Warrior players. He won’t ever be a star, but he will be have a decent career if he stays healthy
according to MJ kthompson can be the next ray allen
i like the guy but come on
Jerry West What Happened To You? The Warrior Curse?
Has there really been a Jerry West sighting? I figured he had was trying to figure out a way to disassociate himself from Udoh and the amnesty debacle. Mr. Logo has done squat to help this franchise so far. They are still making the same stupid decisions they always have.
He's secretly trying to figure out how to trade Curry for D-Fish.
No relation to Matt Cain...
by Caine Black Knife on Feb 20, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
if we trade monta, for a good center.
we need klay thompson to be good and ready.

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