Trade Idea with Wiz

by PokerWarrior on Feb 12, 2012 4:21 PM PST

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6obf6wu

Thoughts?

In this proposal the Wiz get a "semi" superstar (Monta Ellis) to pair in the backcourt with John Wall, a very capable rotation player who is familiar with Eastern Conference basketball in Dorell Wright, and a "still young" Center who would simply be a bonus chip if he works out in Andris Biedrins (sometimes a change in scenery does a player who has lost his way some good).

They give up a player that seems to want out of Washington in Javale McGee and an aging overpaid bad contract in Rashard Lewis who is having knee issues.

I think this would be a win win for both teams.

The Warriors get a 24 year old (still growing as an NBA big man) legitimate 7 footer who blocks shots, finishes at the rim, and rebounds but saddle themselves with a bad contract that comes off the books (Lewis) after 2 more seasons. I would do this trade if I were both teams.

The Warriors could gamble on McGee signing an extension (I agree with J. West that noone, especially a player with no big endorsements like McGee are going to walk from a team and take 30 million less from another) and in one year from the date of the trade could move R. Lewis to a team that just wants to take on an expiring contract or hold him and let him expire here. We plug Klay in at the 2 immediately (he is going to be our future at this spot anyway) and I think a rim protector and finisher like McGee would make David Lee even that much more proficient.

Worst case scenario for us....McGee walks, we would be awful next season (getting a higher pick) and in less than 2 seasons we scrap $24 million off the books to build thru free agency.

Best case scenario for us....McGee signs long term extension and continues in his growth as the most athletic 7 foot rim protector and dunker in recent NBA memory. We are able to add to the team by moving R. Lewis in a year to a team that is ready to let go of some valuable assets for a huge expiring contract and start over or hold Lewis and free up that money for ourselves.

The Wizards would be able to improve their team overnight adding 3 pieces that would all be rotation players and open up some more room and playing time for rookie Jan Vessely.

I really feel like this is something that could be done.

Lets face it. Javale McGee is probably as good as we could expect for as far as a big coming our way. He is stuck in NBA hell in Washington and would most likely welcome a return to the West Coast (Played college at Nevada). We aren't getting Dwight Howard, so lets get real and get focused on what is actually possible.

I could live with:

Curry

Klay

McGee

Lee

Rush

With a bench of

McGuire

Lil Nate

R. Lewis (for now)

Udoh

Jenkins

Tyler

C. Wright

What do you guys think?

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Comments

Not bad.

But certainly not the big shakeup we need.

by G-State on Feb 12, 2012 4:44 PM PST reply actions

Check out this clip of McGee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkKJvqMTbrA

by G-State on Feb 12, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs

Yes

I think everyone has seen that clip that follows the NBA.
Regardless….
He would be the best 7 footer we have had in what 30-50 years?

by PokerWarrior on Feb 12, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions

While being the best 7 footer we have had in decades really isn’t saying much at all, I wouldn’t complain if we got him.

by G-State on Feb 12, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions

cough

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by Butterknuckles on Feb 12, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions

wut

by notEdreese on Feb 12, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions

Sad to see his BBQ spot close down...

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by JonDoe on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions

yeah, but the quality was waaaay down over the last year or two

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 13, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions

and this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciL7GiaXnI8

by G-State on Feb 12, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions

I would love to see our Center getting an offensive foul...

Trying to dunk on someone. Instead of Beans trying to do anything and everything he can not to get touched or even touching the ball on offense for that matter.

by PokerWarrior on Feb 12, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions

I completely agree. Unfortunately this isn’t the kind of offensive foul I have in mind. This is more of a WTF are you thinking situation.

There are a lot of clips of him trying to do something cool and make the Top 10 plays list at the expense of playing winning basketball.

Lets rephrase the question: would you rather have your center sacrifice an easy bucket and instead bulldoze over somebody for a stupid offensive foul because he wanted to make the highlight reel and be cool, or would you rather have your center play smart basketball and put points on the board?

by G-State on Feb 12, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions

That was hilarious!

by Slightly Hyphy on Feb 12, 2012 9:46 PM PST up reply actions

everyone makes a mistake

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 13, 2012 1:17 AM PST up reply actions

ya, or 3.. in less than 10 ... seconds.. ~cough~

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 13, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions

hahah wow, that was pretty funny.. it was like 3 screwups in less than 15 seconds..

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 13, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions

That is part of the "growing up" process with a young immature athletic 7 footer....

His stat line today:

JaVale McGee, C 35 10-13 0-0 2-3 1 10 11 0 0 2 4 4 +10 22

22 points/11 boards/2 blocks (I watched the game he altered many others)

Just to have the possibility to do this from the Center position.

Monta’s points can be made up for….Dorell is a dime a dozen….Beans sucks.

Could you imagine just getting an extra 5-8 rebounds and 10-12 points a night from the 5 spot?

We would be drastically improved overnight.

by PokerWarrior on Feb 12, 2012 5:30 PM PST reply actions

did you make this based off todays game?

because ironically i was just checking the box scores and saw Mcgee’s stat-line and said to myself “Why doesnt he play this consistent or close to this? Is it Blatche? Was it Flip? Can he finally turn the corner now?”

but no i think the proper answer is that it was Detroit who is very undersized in the frontcourt and Monroe already not a great defensive player is their best offensive option so he’s going to “pull an Amar’e” for several games.

besides this team is too young and he will never get his head right unless he has a total change of heart and seeing how this is his 4th year in the league I believe people who jumped to conclusions on anomalies to become the trend rather than continue to buck the trend with him would be highly disappointed after giving him a near max RFA extension

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 12, 2012 5:50 PM PST up reply actions

how about starting Ekpe Udoh over beans?

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 13, 2012 1:18 AM PST up reply actions

No....

I believe when I started this thread today’s game involving the Wizards had just tipped.
I don’t think you can say a 24 year old kid “will never get his head right”.
To that degree I also think that Mark Jackson is a great coach for a young talent like this.
Do you like the trade?

by PokerWarrior on Feb 12, 2012 5:54 PM PST reply actions

People do not understand how dumb McGee truly is.....

And Lewis is not making things any better

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by dubzfan on Feb 12, 2012 6:09 PM PST reply actions

yup... spot on.

McGee does not play winning basketball. Neither does Lewis. And Lewis’s contract is horrid. No thanks… And also, what kind of argument for trading a player is “familiar with Eastern Conference basketball”? I wasn’t aware that there was some definitive line separating the Eastern and Western Conference in terms of basketball play.

by Nith on Feb 12, 2012 10:06 PM PST up reply actions

There is a difference. The East is top heavy and less competitive than the West. It’s been that way for decades.

by Uwe Blog on Feb 12, 2012 10:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions

that is true

But I’m talking about how they play basketball, not how the conference has been functioning. If that were the difference, then isn’t everyone famliar with that fact? Why is Wright particularly special?

I’m just criticizing a poorly organized argument.

by Nith on Feb 13, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions

Now, granted, I’m not exactly the world’s biggest Monta fan, so I might be happy to let him go.

But …

McGee is a good finisher at the rim, but takes a lot of shots away from the rim, which explains his mediocre TS%.

He blocks a lot of shots, but hasn’t actually made his teams better on defense (see RAPM) this season or last.

Nor am I eager to get rid of Biedrins. His play against Denver was a big part of the reason we took control of the game. Beidrins has had some horrid games this year, but he’s also had some quietly very good ones, where he aggressively protected the paint and gobbled up key rebounds.

You say McGee isn’t going to walk awya from $30m, but that only applies if we pay him the max. If we don’t offer the max, other teams can pay as much as we can. And McGee isn’t close to a max player. It’s a little optimistic to have him being worth even what Biedrins is making right now, but we might have to substantially overpay to keep him.

And if you don’t want to overpay Deandre Jordan, why do you want to overpay Mcgee?

by Ronaldinho on Feb 12, 2012 6:24 PM PST reply actions

McGee is

already a better overall player than Deandre Jordan and will continue to improve to be leaps and bounds better than DJ.
Why is everyone so scared of losing Beans or Monta?

Seriously?

Even if McGee walked we would be fine.
We would have one more season of cap space tied up by Rashard Lewis and then would have over 40-50 million to play with in the market.
It’s not like we are going anywhere this year or next year anyway.

Klay will be starting at the 2 guard next season. That I can guarantee. So moving Monta and Beans while we at least Monta is at a high value is our best option.

by PokerWarrior on Feb 12, 2012 9:31 PM PST up reply actions

He may be a better overall player

But he’s a cancer and to have to take on Lewis’s contract is terrible. Also Wizards would never take this anyway.

We aren’t scared to trade them. Don’t set up straw men arguments. So worst case scenario we get 40-50 million in cap space… great. Oversign another middling player.

People don’t understand that in order to attract free agents we must start winning. That means every move we make should be a winning move because we have a narrow margin of error. If we want to trade for players, then we need assets, and giving up assets for 2 years of an asset that walks away for nothing isn’t smart.

by Nith on Feb 12, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions

mcgee's restricted

We could match whatever. He’d probably get somewhere near jordan money. The price of a center.

by tafkasam on Feb 12, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions

also DC is a gigantic mess

Some good coaching could turn javale around. Worthwhile gamble to get out of a bad contract in andris.

by tafkasam on Feb 12, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions

Isn't McGee a free agent at years end?

Restricted I know but why trade for him if you are going to have to sign him to a new deal anyway?

by friscohoya on Feb 12, 2012 7:32 PM PST reply actions

Off topic...

but what is J-Ridah’s new screen name?

by G-State on Feb 12, 2012 8:30 PM PST reply actions

I have no problem of throwing Mcgee a max contract

But losing Monta, taking on Rashard, and possibly needing to resign Mcgee for the max.. Not so sure about that. We can offer him the max already if we can just somehow dump beans for expirings without taking on Lewis. But assuming we cannot trade Biedrins for expirings, that is exactly why we should have saved the amnesty for situations like this.

by Raiiny on Feb 12, 2012 9:12 PM PST reply actions

I have no problem of throwing Mcgee a max contract

Are you freaking kidding me?

The guy’s a role-playing center who might not make his teams better on either end of the floor. And you’re willing to pay him the max?

by Ronaldinho on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. I doubt Wiz do it though, but it is relatively realistic.

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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 12, 2012 9:46 PM PST reply actions

Sign me up.

I like everything about it.

by Lacob2013 on Feb 12, 2012 10:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions

To all the people who argue Monta's scoring is replaceable.

Replaceable with what? Who on our roster is capable of Monta’s output? Steph’s inconsistent. I don’t expect more that 15-20 a night from D Lee. Until Klay establishes himself as a solid scorer and Steph shows consistency, Monta’s scoring is NOT replaceable, and especially not with JaVale “No Bball IQ” Mcgee.

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by dandubz on Feb 12, 2012 11:04 PM PST reply actions

good trade imo

Much hating on McGee imo. My preferred centers for next year, in order: Howard, Hibbert, McGee, Kaman.

by polar on Feb 12, 2012 11:29 PM PST reply actions

The problem with McGee is that he plays like Anthony Randolph played when Randolph was playing poorly

and he plays like that all the time.

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by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Feb 12, 2012 11:30 PM PST reply actions

except, not really

McGee’s production has been tenfold more than Randolph’s in the past couple years. McGee is inconsistent while Randolph just isn’t productive enough to be in an NBA rotation.

by eastbayglory on Feb 13, 2012 8:17 AM PST up reply actions

I’m mostly referring to the hilarious and embarrassing mistakes that they are both prone to.

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by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions

i don’t want mcgee’s single digit iq and me 1st me 2nd me 3rd attitude anywhere near this team

by AJC3317 on Feb 13, 2012 12:46 AM PST reply actions 1 recs

McGee is a nice prospect

but he is stupid. Makes stupid remarks, bad plays, bad gambles, bad decisions. He is all talent and his numbers are pretty nice. His PER rating is nice (if that holds any value). His athleticism is off the charts. Great length, size, ability, and great potential. Right now he is a good player.

That trade, I would not do.

Lewis’ contract for next season is not fully guaranteed. So he will end up being waived after this season. Bonus for the Wiz.
McGee is going to get a nice contract, and will chase the paper, so if we want him we can still make an offer and not have to lose Wright and Ellis. How much should we offer? $44 mil for 4 years?

We can trade Ellis for a legit star wing, IE Gay, Iggy, Granger??

We can offer McGee a contract or Hibbert.

We can try and steal Okafor from the Hornets. They have been wanting to save money right?

Biedrins for Okafor works.
Saves the Hornets $13.5 Million over the next 3 season. We could kick in our 2nd round pick from the Nets…They get a younger player, save $13 million and a second pick while making it easier for someone to buy their Franchise, win win.

I don’t think we should trade Wright either unless we are going to extend Rush for sure AND we acquire a sure-fire starter by moving Ellis and letting Klay step in at the 2.

by A's Nation on Feb 13, 2012 12:54 AM PST reply actions

when you are beans youth does not matter lol

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 13, 2012 1:19 AM PST up reply actions

damn, our roster is so screwed

I mean, yeah, sure, this trade actually sounds relatively plausible.

But so what?
McGee is more of a project center than a current difference maker most games. And what the hell are we going to do with Rashard?

seems like just another way to get us back to right about where we currently are. Personally, I’d rather just start scouring the d leagues, Euro’s, waiver wires, team benches, etc. for someone to replace Beans…I mean really, that’s what this whole trades about right?

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 AM PST reply actions

McGee does some productive things now. Strong finisher, strong rebounder, strong at contesting the rim.

If he cuts those jumpers, which he has no business taking, but apparently DC has no coach whatsoever so he;s unchecked, he could produce like an 08 biedrins now with upside for more.

@Shard- 20 mil expiring is a valuable trade chip when you stick some prospects with it.

Who’s to say in 2012….
-okc isn’t sick of Westbrook and considers shard + curry for him?
-Memphis doesn’t want a get out of jail free pass on Rudy gay’s contract?
-Same with Granger and indy?

I wouldn’t mind taking Shard for one year.

by tafkasam on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions

meh, sure

I’d be willing to take a chance on this trade I guess…but it’s mostly due to the fact that we escape from under Monta and Beans

McGee…
I do like his athleticism, but he just seems to lack fundamental awareness of how to play basketball, I think he will always be limited

…arguing with myself: this may be exactly why we DO do this trade. McGee is not well-regarded, and he plays for a crap franchise with a GM who may be silly enough to transact with us

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 13, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions

I think JaVale can be a very productive NBA center. He needs right coaching and development.

That’s not coming in DC. Can it come herE?

by tafkasam on Feb 13, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions

yeah, that's why I got to arguing with myself`

I could see this working out just fine (even though I’m not at all high on McGee)

plus, we manage to jettison Beans (and who knows, east coast team, a little bit of an international feel to the team…maybe it would be good for the Latvian)

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 13, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions

JaVale McGee:

Committed to defense

Just kidding, McGee probably wouldn’t be that much of a downgrade from DeAndre Jordan, if coached correctly and playing on a non-dysfunctional non-bottom-3 team.

by Lynch's Golf Cart on Feb 13, 2012 12:11 PM PST reply actions

Right now, Mcgee is taking 1.7 of his 9.7 shots per game beyond 10 feet. He’s making 17.6% of them.

The right coach can get him to stop (like I don’t know, telling him not to shoot it, which apparently isn’t the Wizards coaching MO with any players), he’d be a lot more effective.

He’s 59% from the rest of the field, and thats with having a career low on 3-9 footers, an area he has been better in past.

by tafkasam on Feb 13, 2012 1:05 PM PST reply actions