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That Kobe's 16/29 on game winners in his career... BS right?

3 months ago GovernorStephCurry 17 comments 0 recs |

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But have you gone and calculated the number for yourself? Until you have, I don’t know why you’d be willing to trust an unorganized, clearly underfunded site more than ESPN. Not that I’m suggesting you should trust ESPN either.

Also, you could have missed a specific qualifier that narrowed the target area that favored Kobe more. Again, I didn’t watch, just throwing some possibilities out there.

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by Brownie13 on Feb 12, 2012 11:44 PM PST reply actions

This could be his number over last 3 or so years

I know his attempts for his career are well over 100.

I do recall in 09-10, he was something like 7-12 in last shot situations. Wouldn’t surprise me if that number is real for last 3 years. He’s definitely too smart a player for young teams like Toronto

by tafkasam on Feb 13, 2012 7:28 AM PST reply actions

I know his attempts for his career are well over 100.

i think he was around 75

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by bigkino217 on Feb 13, 2012 8:09 AM PST up reply actions

Could be right

http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

56 attempts in beginning of 08-09. It’s definitely over 75 by now.

by tafkasam on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions

I just seem to recall some number like 29 out of 80s in 10/11.

by tafkasam on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions

I think ESPN has their own criteria

They probably examine several different situations with different criteria and go with the one that most favors Kobe and the story line that he is a clutch player. It does seem a pretty suspect.

by Pippen on Feb 13, 2012 10:15 AM PST reply actions

dude who cares, why even post this here

It has nothing to do with Jeremy Linn

by azw on Feb 13, 2012 12:16 PM PST reply actions 6 recs

lol

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by Brownie13 on Feb 13, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions

Best GSOM post in years.

by belilaugh on Feb 13, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions

A little outdated

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

by curtischin on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 PM PST reply actions

that study is about a year old, and used fifteen years of data

its definition of crunch time also seems pretty fair : final 24 seconds, team either tied or within one shot of becoming tied or ahead.

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by the.monk on Feb 14, 2012 1:33 AM PST up reply actions

Depends upon the definition of "game winning shot"

ESPN also said that LeBraon’s game winning shot against us a couple years ago was the first in his career, but we all know that isn’t true. It is because they were defining “game winning shot” as a game winning shot at the buzzer. So if he hit the “game winning shot” with 0.1 seconds left on the clock then I guess it wouldn’t have counted as a “game winning shot.”

It really depends upon the definition the person is using.

by G-State on Feb 13, 2012 1:33 PM PST reply actions

LeBron* I don't know where that "a" came from, lol

by G-State on Feb 13, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions

I did some looking around and I BELIEVE

that he is 16/29 on game-winners in the final 5 seconds of games.

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by Brownie13 on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 PM PST reply actions

Link?

And that’s hard to believe.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions

I started here

Take a look at the research notes in the bottom right of the box score page. The number matches to the 16, so then I had to look about finding where they got the 29.

But from there I worked under the assumption that this was what they were measuring since it was a very popular topic a lot of places. I heard short segment on the radio (don’t remember which station it was or who was talking) saying that Kobe was 16/29 of potential game-winners (just winners, not to tie) in the final 5 seconds of regulation or overtime. This seemed to confirm my initial assumption, so I began to work my way through some forums and blogs, and pretty much all of them said the same thing.

All of the posts I got to look at referenced the same ESPN piece you did, but likely for the same reason, could not provide a link to the information ESPN cited. I encountered more than 20 different places talking about the same thing. You can scour all of those sites if you want, but I don’t feel like taking the time to go back and find and cite minimally important blog and forum posts. In my search, though, I did find that unlike you, they caught the qualifier that I suggested existed above:

Also, you could have missed a specific qualifier that narrowed the target area that favored Kobe more.

You can choose to believe the information or not, but ESPN has enough people working for them that I doubt their statistical information isn’t thorough. I also doubt that they feel the need to outright lie about the numbers they collected.

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by Brownie13 on Feb 15, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions

the 16 is correct

though I find it hard to believe he’s only taken 29 such shots.

ESPN’s twitter feed posted after his game winner vs. Toronto saying that the shot had pushed him up to 28% for his career in tying or go-ahead shots with less than 24 seconds remaining. I believe they then mentioned that that put him in last place of the 30 players with the most shots for that situation.

I may have that slightly wrong, but the gist of it was that Kobe is the all-time worst shooter in the final 24 seconds, for players with significant sample sizes.

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by bradyk2 on Feb 14, 2012 4:57 PM PST reply actions