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Start Big Baby or see how Tyler does at the 4
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No thanks. Id rather deal Monta and Udoh for Mcgee instead of 1 month of Dwight. He’s walking. Smith wont send him anywhere he dont wanna go anyway. It would ruin the team’s prestige to free agents.
What prestige?
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by KillaContract on Feb 13, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
No top free agent would ever sign there if they traded their franchise player to somewhere he didn’t wanna go. Denver coulda got a better deal for Melo if they traded him somewhere he didn’t wanna go but they didn’t because they want to maintain a level of prestige. Trading Dwight somewhere he dont wanna go would mess up his money when he walks and would take 30 mill out his pocket, players would not sign to a franchise that did that. Very few organizations have ever done that in recent memory. You always send a guy to somewhere he wants to go.
Denver coulda got a better deal for Melo if they traded him somewhere he didn’t wanna go
not so sure about that. it’s pretty clear that new york gave up too much.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
He's saying Melo killed their ability to work the market
J could be right.
But in the end of the day Denver fleeced Dolan who was incredibly stupid to give so much when he was bidding against no one.
If you think the $30 mil means so much to Howard then Orlando should just call his bluff. Lacob should also. The rest of the free agents should be thrilled to see $30 million extra to go around. Rewarding a player that betrays a team by demanding a trade does not build prestige it makes them look like suckers. Anyway, what free agent is going to sign in Orlando because their secret plan is to then demand Orlando to trade them somewhere else?
Very few organizations have ever done that in recent memory.
Derron to NJ?
Webber to Bullets?
Odom to Dallas?
LAC was not at the top of CP3’ s list either.
Your memory is selective.
It is really simple. Teams trade players to locations they want to go only because those destination teams can justify offering more because of less risk.
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by KillaContract on Feb 13, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Odom is not a franchise player, Utah dont give a damn about signing free agents. They realize and accept their in a non-desirable market and a big name will never sign there. C-Webb demanded a trade and didn’t care where to as long as it was outta here.
Shaq requested a trade from the Lakers. Not sure if he hand picked the Heat
or if they just had the most to work with in trade, though.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
When C-Web was traded to Sacramento he was very unhappy initially. He didn’t even want to report until his dad set him straight.
I don’t buy this argument. The NBA is a business and players recognize this. Each side has a duty to do what is in their own best interest. As long as the team is trying to get the best possible deal, and not trading the player to an undesirable destination out of spite, I don’t see the problem. If Howard wants the extra money he can either stay with Orlando or the team to which he is traded. If he wants to play in a bigger market, then that is why the NBA has free agency. He can go wherever he wants when his contract expires.
I agree that it doesn’t make the team look great to deal a top 10 player somewhere he doesn’t want to go but at the same time, its all business. The players can get to their destinations so easily these days by signing extensions or not signing them.
I think Melo was a different situation, there was only 1 team that he wanted to go to, not even a city, just a team because Nets could have gotten him on multiple occasions but he just wanted to go to the Knicks. No other team would offer anything better than the knicks, just because he had his mind set on the Knicks, giving anything significant would’ve been foolish knowing that he wasn’t going to sign the extension and head to the Knicks once at the end of the season. Although Howard has a “wish list”, he seems a bit more open, his “wish list” has 3 teams whereas Melo had 1…. On top of that, he’s openly said that the clipps and bulls would interest him. My point is, he’s more flexible and more willing to negotiate as long as he can go to a big market who will compete for a championship.
Second, Dwight Howard is arguably top 5 in the NBA. In my opinion, Melo doesn’t even make it in the top 10. Howard is the best player in his position, Melo isn’t. Elite centers like Howard are hard to find, scorers like Melo…not so much. Bottom line is, a team would be more willing to take an “All-in” gamble on Howard than they would on Melo
by Babyface Assassin on Feb 13, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
No thanks.
rofl i’d do this in a heartbeat. the question is why would orlando even consider it?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
CP3 demanded out
DH12 has been cryptic at best
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I would think this is a VERY fair trade. That is the MOST i would be willing to gamble with for a possible RENTAL.
i would miss Udohs defense for a long time.
And how many years are left on Babys contract?
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 13, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
3 years / $19.4M, non-escalating.
Bad player, but not a terrible contract. Plus he’s a pretty likable dude. NateRob would probably do jigs.
A pretty easy pill to swallow if we’re getting Dwight with even an outside shot at an extension.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 13, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Assuming we don’t add anyone else:
PG Curry 28 / Nate 18 / Jenkins 4
SG Klay 24 / Rush 16 / Curry 8
SF Dorell 36 / Rush 8 / McGuire 4
PF Big Baby 28 / McGuire 10 / Tyler 10
C Howard 38 / Biedrins 10
I like. Ideally, we’d want a half-decent vet PF to take McGuire and Tyler’s minutes; with Howard in the fold I suspect we could lure someone. But even just as is, that’s miles better than what we have.
As long as the chances of re-signing Howard are better than, like, 5%, I’d gladly make that trade. A half-season of Howard, with a 5% chance of an extension and a 95% chance of sucking for a couple years, is far better than 100% chance at perpetual sub-mediocrity, imho.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 13, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
+ 8 at shooting guard = 36 minutes total.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 13, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
sorry forgive me
wasnt expecting for him to have shooting guard minutes
*Jenkins 2
(I can’t add).
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 13, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
Guys like Jenkins and Tyler will maybe get some solid minutes (and a chance to prove a lil sumpn sumpn)
If anyone goes down for a bit from injury… Either that or an intentional swap of minutes for a game here and there to work on gettting them integrated. This needs to happen if we are going to think playoffs cuz if they are not ready to go, then we wont be deep enough to make it very far. (wow i feel like that last part was getting wayyyyy too ahead of myself)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 13, 2012 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you very much.
I very much agree with all your points made!
The only thing I may tweak is the minutes.. I think Tyler will be much more effective soon as compared to Big Baby (possible homer alert) so, maybe i flip thier numbers.
Also, I think I may even do the same with Jenkins.. But, on second thought, playoffs are now a real potential and we are no longer trying to tank… (EVEN THO, a good tank would possibly net us a good PF , mmmmmmm) Perhaps your minutes are indeed ideal.
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 13, 2012 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
hmm
actually Klay could maybe use a few minutes at SF.. Rush may deserve more time overall.. Maybe all this happens by reducing Door L ’s minutes by about 10?
SF ~ Door L 26/ Rush 13/ Klay 5/ Mc Guire 4
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 13, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
I'd take 6 minutes away from DW and give those to Klay
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Our Bench would easily be most likeable crew in the NBA
Now if ONLY we didn’t use the amnesty!
We’d only have 35.4 committed pre-upping Rush (lets say he gets 2 years 7 mil max, which would put us at 39 mil).
19 mil under the cap. ODom, Wallace free agents. Would that be enough to get them both?
We could have Curry, Rush, Wallace, Odom. Dwight… Nate, Klay, Dorell, Baby, Tyler.
To me, assuming Odom isn’t washed up (like this year suggests), that’s a title contender to me…
We’d only have 35.4 committed pre-upping Rush (lets say he gets 2 years 7 mil max, which would put us at 39 mil).
the thing is, we can sign free agents up to the cap, and then re-sign rush if we wanted to, so he’s not really restricting our cap space.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Kind of.
It depends upon if/when another team offers Rush a contract because then we will only have 3 days to match. So in reality we can add up to the cap and then sign Rush over the cap, as long as nobody offers him a contract before then.
So if somebody signs Rush to an offer sheet then we would only have 3 days to use up the rest of our cap or else he would end up restricting it somewhat.
I know that sounds confusing but it should make sense.
It depends upon if/when another team offers Rush a contract because then we will only have 3 days to match.
normal restricted free agency is 7 days. it was only 3 days this season because of the lockout.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
so yes, if someone signed rush to an offer sheet, we'd have 7 days to fill up our cap before resigning rush
as long as we did it before then, only the qualifying offer we make to rush would count against the cap. any idea how much that is? now that i think about it, it’s probably around 3M, so i guess it doesn’t buy us a whole lot of cap space, unless we’re planning on matching like a 5M+ per year contract.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Wrong...again.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Was this on ESPN or did you put this together ?
This is a joke. No way Magic does this, they want to unload Turkoglu’s contract in any Howard trade, Magic will ask for Curry with or without Monta in a package and as bad as Biedrins is, I’m pretty sure they would want him since they don’t have another Center. Only way I see a trade for Dwight Work is.
Magic get: Curry, Lee, Thompson, Biedrins, 1st rd pick
Warriors get: Howard, Turkoglu
Third team gets: Dorrell Wright (In echange for their 1st rd pick to send to Orlando)
by Babyface Assassin on Feb 13, 2012 11:33 AM PST reply actions
I don't see Orlando going for this deal
If the Warriors could somehow pull it off, I’d be all for it. If Howard leaves and it blow up in their face, so be it. If Howard wants to walk, make him take the financial hit.
yeah, this!
for me, this deal just looks waaay too good to be true.
as an aside, I did a similar deal in my 2k12 franchise (but I had to force the trade)…I put this idea right about at the same level of reality
Magic are going to REQUIRE draft picks, and shed salary (IMO), this move does neither.
Although big baby is on a stupid contract, it is hardly the worst contract the Magic have on their books
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 13, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Haha...yep
I did a similar deal in my 2k12 franchise (but I had to force the trade)…I put this idea right about at the same level of reality
Wow...I would LOVE this trade
Even if we lose Howard, we get so much cap space and a chance to rebuild for years with Ellis and Lee contracts off the books.
If somehow we could convince Howard to resign (he’d make a TON more money resigning, and a giant untapped market) then we’d really be in business building around Curry/Klay/Howard.
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if it means a chance at Howard, even remote
I’m down with trading Lee in a heartbeat.
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Alot of ppl would agree with you. But tell me why DH would agree to leave a playoff team for a non-playoff team in rebuilding mode if he’s chasing a ring? In Brooklyn, he DW and Jay-Z could attract talent, here with just him and Steph, nobody is coming. And he walks and we still are absent of our lottery pick and still have nothing. Its a bad gamble.
Picture Dwight bringing everybody into the lane...
While Curry, Klay, and Rush hit wide open 3’s all night long.
Interested?
He’s had 3pt shooters in Orlando. It wont interest him. I think he wants to play with a top notch power forward which he has never done. Nor a top notch point guard.
completely agreed(like i said in bottom posts).
it definitely helps to have 3pt shooters because it has worked for him in the past. But the huge sticking point is a top notch PF and PG in DLEE and STEPH. Say what you want about DLEE, but he is a GREAT PF. Given his lack of help, any PF will be exposed. But damn is he good and smart. Great hands and passer. These are things Howard has rarely or even saw playing in Orlando.
Howard never had a power forward like Lee. He always had 3pt shooting PF leaving Howard doing all the work.
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by bimmercirem3 on Feb 13, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon Bass
to your last point. but i agree with everything else.
where's the... WHERE'S THE 24-SECOND VIOLATION!?!- Bob Fitzgerald
Monta Ellis.
He's very good, but I'm hesitant to call him great when he's abhorrent at half the game.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Yes and no
Nets have possible location/ownership edge but DEFINITE star edge. Deron is a star. Steph’s still seen as a ‘great prospect’
However, cap space + Dwight, we could attract some people, if hes under contract. Especially when you consider alternatives who have cap space.
Question is who? I think only allstar FA available is Gerald Wallace
Sometimes there are situations when you need to throw a hail Mary or bet the farm. This is one of those times. If Howard walks, then let him take the financial hit. It’s a risk worth taking. Even it he does walk, at least we tried to make a bold move.
The only reason Orlando is a playoff team is because of Dwight Howard. If he comes to the Warriors, they are instantly a playoff team.
by Pippen on Feb 13, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Thats how I feel
Standing pat is settling for mediocrity. I’d be in favor of a move for Dwight or JaVale. Both signify different directions of building but they atleast signify such.
We wont get him until mid march. Thats not enough time to make us a playoff team if were not 1 already.
Hard to tell
Right now we’re 3 games back. You don’t think we could make that up in 20 gameS?
We could. Things will get alot tougher by then in terms of schedule tho. Were lucky if were 3 games back by the deadline.
This has also been my concern.
We can’t wait much longer or else we may miss the playoffs even if we get Dwight at the deadline. If we pull the trigger then we must absolutely be in the playoff race.
Getting Dwight but not making the playoffs would be a definite disaster.
But tell me why DH would agree to leave a playoff team for a non-playoff team in rebuilding mode if he’s chasing a ring?
But Orlando-minus-Howard isn’t a non-playoff team, and Golden-State-plus-Howard is.
I think Curry-Klay-Dorell-Howard with Rush and Robinson off the bench is better than what Howard is playing with now. Three quality 3-pt shooters around Howard. The 4-spot is a bit of a question mark, as I’m not crazy about Glen Davis or McGuire playing major minutes there.
I’d love to keep Lee because I think they’d work well together offensively and Howard covers a lot of Lee’s defensive shortcomings, but I wouldn’t let that stop me from making the deal.
Something tells me DH wants to go to a team that would be a playoff team without him. I dont see him signing to a non-playoff team.
Agreed
So basically the way we’d sell DH would be this-
We have Steph, he’s a nice #2 piece. We have some nice role players (Klay, Rush, Dorell), some with potential for more. And most importantly…we have cap space so the roster isn’t locked in.
That’s a HARD sell though. You’re comparing that to a team who already has pieces in place.
So basically, we’re asking Jerry West to do a Shaq part 2. Except he doesn’t have the LA market and ‘mystique of lakers’ sales pitch. He’s got to sell fact Lacob/Guber can be the next Jerry Buss/Micky Arrison etc. type owners.
Yep. Both Kobe and Shaq wanted to go to L.A. West is now in the Bay and good luck finding a guy of that calibur that wants to be here. West himself rather be in L.A than here thats why he hasn’t come to any games this season.
Yep
I’m going to be up here a lot more. I think something can be done here, and it’s kind of fun for me.
I think he’s been conscious about seeming to overbearing. He doesn’t want to step on too many toes. I think he is starting to feel more comfortable in his role in the organization, and he is even referring to the Warriors as “we” instead of “they” the majority of the time.
I disagree.
I think he’s that good. I think Steph has a game that works extremely well with him – better than any player he’s played with. Klay and Dorell are the guys you’d love to have on the perimeter with him.
So basically, in the offseason we’d just have to add a four. And he’d just need to be someone who could man up in the paint and had good hands, so we might be able to get a reasonable value player.
Lamar Odom?
It’s hard for me to tell if he’s declining because of age, or just the late move and condensed season has Odom confused.
Lamar ODom of a year ago is pretty much ideal PF to play out of high post with Dwight offensively. and the defense goes without saying.
Add some depth to the bench (maybe a penetrator off the perimeter? additional big). Assuming Steph develops himself that’s a title contender.
Ideally/Realistically the trade would look something like this
Lee OR Ellis OR Curry, Udoh, Wright, Andris <→ Howard, Turk
I would not be opposed to Doing Lee + Ellis OR Lee + Curry either, especially if Howard agreed to sign.
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Trade biedrins for Frye!
Curry, Klay, Rush, Frye, Dwight
tri-fecta!
We already have one. His name is Udoh.
The problem is he’s leaving in this trade, too.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 13, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
If we were going to blow up the team
How about Lee, Ellis, Udoh, Wright, 2012 2nd round pick (from NJ) for Rashard Lewis, Jan Vesely, Filler (Jordan Crawford?), 2012 1st-round pick (unprotected – 2012 – WAS)?
2013 lineup:
Curry
Thompson
Vesely
Perry Jones? (our pick after tanking)
Andre Drummond / Anthony Davis (with luck?)
by Lynch's Golf Cart on Feb 13, 2012 12:34 PM PST reply actions
Getting Dwight would be amazing, though
Monta’s and Lee’s contracts might be too expensive for a rebuilding project.
I mentioned Washington because they might want to add players to entice Wall to stay.
by Lynch's Golf Cart on Feb 13, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Wall is on his rookie deal
He isn’t going anywhere for a while
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True
But it’s going to get harder to trade for pieces as his FA approaches. Also, Monta could be flipped (as could Lee, as he would be close to expiring when Wall getting his Qualifying Offer).
I’d vastly prefer the W’s get Dwight though haha
by Lynch's Golf Cart on Feb 13, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
I'm curious...
Did anyone actually catch the segment where they talked about this? I want to know what kind of commentary went with it. Is this an actual rumor, or just speculation by an analyst?
link please!
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 13, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
I can't watch right now
anyone willing to give a synopsis?
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 13, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the link
According to Wiki, Tom Penn (the analyst) worked for 5 yrs with West in Memphis as asst. GM and was with Portland also.
by Lynch's Golf Cart on Feb 13, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
West!
Having his disciples start building a case.
haha infiltrating ESPN and planting seeds.
haha forget Lakers come to the Warriors.
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by bimmercirem3 on Feb 13, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'd do it without thinking
Let dwight walk from 30 mil.
Added plus. Big Baby. So beefy. MMMMM BEEF
This dude...
Makes Chris Mullen look like the best GM EVER!
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Feb 13, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Well...
As bad as Riley is, he didn’t give us the Ghost of Marcus Williams, which is still screwing us over today.
he didn't give us the ghost of marcus williams
but he certainly made it bigger
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
That was the worst part
That just made the trade really really really bad. I mean really bad.
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Feb 14, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
im praying the warriors don't get pick 8-11
so that in the end it wouldn’t have hurt us much.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
What a maroon.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
flip Dlee and put beans and dorell.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
If we could make this deal, and somehow trade Andris for an expiring
We’d have serious cap room to get someone
Around 30 mil according to 2k :)
I did something similar
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That's a non-sequitur.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
This dude...
Is Cohen redux. But worse since he borrowed money to buy the team. It’s all about the dollars even more than when Cohen ran the team.
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Feb 13, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Not even
He cares, not a genius but he cares
RIP Al Davis
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"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
When I see different
I will think different!
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Feb 13, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
It’s all about the dollars even more than when Cohen ran the team.
Yeah. Too bad Lacob decimated the scouting department to save money rather than rebuilding it …
… oh, wait, that was wrong. He did the opposite.
I meant too bad that Lacob sold 2nd-round picks for cash rather than spending money to buy them to take calculated risks on young big men.
… oh, wait, that’s wrong too. He did the opposite.
What I really meant to say was that it’s too bad that Lacob was so money-hungry that he wouldn’t reduce his ownership share in the team to bring in a major NBA mind as a co-owner.
Oh, wait. That’s wrong too!
In fact, the only “all about the money” thing you can say about Lacob is that he wasn’t willing to use the amnesty on Biedrins or Lee. That’s it. Kind of makes you wonder if those decisions were based on basketball considerations (possibly flawed basketball considerations, mind you, but that’s not the same thing as being about the money).
Or maybe it’s possible that “Critical Roach” doesn’t have the slightest clue what he’s talking about.
by Ronaldinho on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Owners are too scared to rock the boat and lose a few dollars short term to make the team better long term. Same as the old owner.
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Feb 13, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Or maybe it's that "tanking" (which seems to be what you're advocating)
doesn’t actually have a consistent track record of making teams better.
we shall see
But once again, we are not good enough for the playoffs, and not bad enough to tank. So I can only criticize the owners, for doing that to the fans once again.
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Feb 13, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Too scared to rock the boat?
Not sure that’s it.
Not very bright? That’s possibly it.
Time will tell, but I love the motivation and front office moves, the investment. At some point it’ll translate onto the court. Perhaps after we finally rid ourselves of last pieces of cohan era (Riley) and bring in a GM who is more forward thinking.
Riley needs to go, for sure.
Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"
by Critical Roach on Feb 13, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
It don't matta. They decided their move, and it turned out to be the wrong one.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Yep, Riley should've been fired along with Nellie. No reason to keep Nellie's lap dog.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
only fire-able offense has been the MWilliams trade.
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 14, 2012 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
yes but
riley made it from top 11 protected to top 7.
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
the question is
what did he do besides make minor upgrades to the bench that shows that he deserves to stay?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
He drafted the franchise player and signed the best Big the team has had since Webber. Dumps the Maggs contract, discovered good finds in the d-league. Signed Dorell for the price of a backup point guard. Robbed the Pacers for Rush.
Broken record...
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
caught in a landslide, no escape from reality
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 14, 2012 2:01 AM PST up reply actions
Open your eyes, look around, and see
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 14, 2012 4:51 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone else confident, if Orlando agreed, West could convince Dwight to 'give it a shot'
For a couple years.
That’s all I ask if Howard came. Give us 2 years to put pieces in place.
West can be quite a salesman.
If we did this trade, what if we got Odom with our cap space to play PF next to DwighT?
Anything is possible
Maybe they could get him to agree to exercise his player option for next season. That would be a start and give the Ws some more time to convince him. If he still wants to walk, they can trade him. Chris Webber said didn’t even want to report to Sacramento when he was traded there, but he soon realized it was the best place for him. The odds aren’t in the Warriors favor to acquire and then retain Howard, but you have to at least try.
I think a combo of West, Lacob/Guber and the fact his sponsors will support the bay area market
Gives us a fighting shot.
If we can make a compelling enough case, we’ll make a winner around him.
yup.
given Dwight’s love of media and just promotional things, we should throw him sponsors of the silicon valley. All high-tech and stuff lol. I mean Howard will make TONS of money just for sponsoring some tech company.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Feb 13, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention Adidas would favor one of their biggest athletes in a big market
And perhaps a market they haven’t infiltrated fully (perhaps asian-american one?)
yup.
last time i checked, the bay area is not dominated by any single shoe brand but by many. So yeah, adidas can make big bucks to promote the bay. think about sponsorship for the bay. Damn the bay will be making bank!!!!!
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Feb 13, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
How is he not a star already?
Am I missing something
F the Po Po
by bojangles408 on Feb 13, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
hahaha, yes you are
night clubs
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 13, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
ooooooo
I get it now. He wants to be a star at a night club.
F the Po Po
by bojangles408 on Feb 13, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
lol I can't wait for the next Ka'zaam or Blue Chips.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Unless one of your owners is a big time Hollywood producer.
by Pippen on Feb 13, 2012 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
What in the hell does that have to do with anything?
Good lord…
Can we move the goal posts back to their original location?
apparently you're not an NBA star unless you're in movies lol
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
It means if im Dwight, and I look at the dubs and Guber’s connections. I ask the simple question of why isn’t Guber doing anything for their star players wife acting career. So if he aint hooking the team’s darling wife up, why should I expect him to help my acting career and Steph’s wife actually been in a movie or 2 before.
You do realize where Peter Guber made his fortune... right?
Tell Durant that living in OKC won’t get him in any movies either… oh wait, he is going to be in one.
J strikes out again.
lol, this sentence makes no sense. He's already a star. No reason why he couldn't do it here.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
what he wants and gets are two different things
I agree he’s going
1) NY/LA
2) Dallas (Cuban’s proven himself to be a top owner in NBA and a winner)
However, what if it doesn’t work. He’ll have to consider options…
i think it's more likely that he ends up in dallas or NJ than NY
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
In regards to J-ridah posts up above...(sorry too lazy to find it :))
but yes I agree that Dlee should not be packaged. Why? because we actually have a chance at retaining Howard if we sees that Dlee is the perfect complement. Dlee is on a recent and this season BEAST. He has gotten 12 or something double-double and a triple double. DLEE is the perfect offense to Howards perfect defense. DLee as of late has been PnR perfectly. Yes his defense is suspect, but given the lack of help for him (ahem andris), the front-court will be exposed everytime.
And yes given Klay emergence, I think we have a solid rotation of 2grds.
Picture Curry/Klay/Rush/Dlee/Howard. This lineup is CLEARLY better than any Orlando lineup. Howard hasn’t played with a double-double offensive machine like Dlee or a combo-point in Curry. He should be glad that we have 3pt shooters in Curry/Klay/Rush. It should be clearly better. Klay/Rush/Howard is our defense and offense at the same time too.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
I agree
However, the only player I bat an eyelash at losing is Steph. Even then, if we know Dwight will stay a year he can go too. We’re talking Dwight Howard. He compliments every PF (Seriously, he’s a nice guy).
It’s a lot easier to find complementary players around Dwight, and win than DLee
Picture Curry/Klay/Rush/Dlee/Howard.
No argument at all. On the other hand, you can’t hold up the deal because you want to hang on to Lee.
It’s hard to imagine that you could land Howard even for a rental with Monta+parts. But if so, wow, do it, do it now.
I actually think Monta alone is a great sticking point for Orlando.
Look they want a star there and Monta will be a star in Orlando. I’m pretty sure some teams regard Monta as the 3rd best SG in the league. If you know any better please tell me :). Monta and youth can be done i think.
Monta/Epke/Tyler maybe dorell if we can find a pick for him and give that pick to orlando.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Feb 13, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I absolutely do that trade.
Just one question: Why do they want David Lee?
You’d think just keeping Baby, and then getting maybe a Klay or Dorell instead would be better for their team than taking on Lee’s big contract.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Lee's a lot better than Baby
Two schools of thought….
In the east, Jameer, Monta, JRich, Anderson, Lee could pull a lot of small ball wins and be a first rd playoff team. With little to no potential to go farther.
Or they would prefer Kwame’s expiring and expect us to attach Klay to the deal. This would make us better now (Curry, Rush, Dorell, Lee, Howard is a better starting 5 than Curry, Klay, Dorell, Macguire, Howard). And you’d think Orlando would favor it because it’d save them money and give them prospects to rebuild.
However in doing so, i still think jameer, monta, jrich, anderson is more or less the warrior-level of mediocrity. Good enough to not get a high draft pick
But if they don't get back Lee
they also have cap-room to spend as soon as 2014. As opposed to being in the LUXURY TAX for the next 2 years, and over the salary cap fro 3 or 4.
They’ve had success attracting Free-Agents in the past (T-Mac, Grant Hill), so I’d see them more in favor of that route.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
It seems unlikely that they'd want Klay and Monta.
With Lee, the PR hit is a lot smaller. “We got an exciting guard and an all-star big man.”
Not sure it’s the smartest move – but I understand it.
When your GM is under pressure of his job
He won’t think long term. Monta + Lee + Udoh might be best move he can make to keep the team in the playoff hunt.
Sadly in the east, I think that team with right smallball coach could make a bottom seeds. Jameer, Monta, JRich, Anderson, Lee. Nellie would like it.
Good point
But not only that…
The owner of the Magic said he would prefer veterans rather than young players/picks as he does not want to rebuild. Lee and Ellis would therefore make sense.
I would prefer to keep either Ellis or Lee to pair with Dwight, but that would almost certainly require Steph to be dealt, and I would love to see a Curry/Howard combo.
Anyone else just imagine a scenerio where we send Riley to sell Howard on GSW and he just looks at him like this...
This is a job for one of the best salesmen in NBA history, Jerry west. Flanked by Cohan and Guber.
I think the level of respect West carries gives us more legitimacy than before in said negotiations
Cohan????? are you crazy man!
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Feb 13, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
haha i know...just yankin his chain lol
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Feb 13, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
We could send Cohan
to show how much better our current owners are :)
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
MAJOR freudian slip
Should let you all know how I feel about Lacob’s tenure so far…
Definitely.
If you’re trying to convince him to WANT to be traded here, the lead salesman has to be West. Accompanied by the two owners. Larry can be a sidekick in case he wants to re-up immediately upon hearing the proposal lol
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
haha
Riley just standing in background with a pen 1 inch from signature line on extension.
“you ready dwight?”
“cmon, just 1 little squiggle. Takes less than a second!”
by tafkasam on Feb 13, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
"Joe, I tried like the dickens to get him to sign it!"
(Oh i’m having too much fun)
by tafkasam on Feb 13, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
COHAN?!?!?!
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Jerry West attended the Gilbert Arenas workout in LA
We all know how Dwight feels about Gilbert. He was pissed that they amnistied him and said he wants Arenas on his new team.
Well it would make much more sense to bring him in
if we were trading Monta away. It just wouldn’t make sense at all to do it right now.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Wow that actually makes sense
I was wondering why Jerry West went to checkout Arenas, although the article said the Warriors wouldn’t be interested in adding him because they don’t have a need for him and trading him wouldn’t make sense because if any team wants him, they would call him and sign him right now. I knew Jerry West wasn’t just looking at him for no reason, this is probably the prep work to see his shape in case they’re able to get Dwight.
And I know for sure if Magic had to pick one of the guards, they would pick Stephen Curry. If we’re getting Howard, our package offer will have to be around Curry. In which case W’s would need a starting PG -—→ Arenas
by Babyface Assassin on Feb 13, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
I hate
Glen Davis. I think he is terrible. I don’t understand why anyone likes this guy and now he gets paid a ton of money and he is a role player. If this were to happen I would hope we could trade Davis. I just don’t see the point in trading Ellis and Lee and Udoh to have Howard for a month…
Javale McGee is an idiot and I wonder how many of you have watched his game or just watched his highlights and looked his stats up and thought wow that would be nice.
yeah, Davis for Bass
god, what a horrid trade (or genius, if you are the Celtics)
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 13, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Let's say the trade goes through AND Dwight doesn't want to resign with the Warriors...
Could we do a S&T to a team that he wants to go to? Since Howard is already going to leave, (after trying to get him to resign) why not sign him for max money, which would benefit him, and trade him for several picks and maybe a couple good young players? It would benefit both Dwight and the Warriors!
by NICKelodeon on Feb 13, 2012 5:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Howard would absolutely do it
Because it’s only way he’s guarenteed 30 mil
Why wouldn’t Orlando just do the same then?
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 14, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Orlando will demand Jeremy Tyler in any trade with us
and they will develop him into a beast.
They have their own Tyler already.
Daniel Orton. Do they really want two of their roster spots to go to young project centers. Ideally, you only take on 1 project at a time, especially at the same position.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
they dont have a center replacement
this is a pipe dream. this guy couldnt be serious.
why would they ever?
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
great trade
holy hell great trade. if there’s even a whiff of that being true we need to jump all over it
If I was GM and that trade was able to be made today, I would make it. Luckily both parties involved here have to wait 'til March 1st.
This is good news because by that date we will know exactly if this team is a playoff caliber core that just needs a few tweaks here or there.
For instance, trading only DLee or Ellis or Curry. Versus a blockbuster that involves a couple of those players.
Or maybe this team just needs Lacob to put that 13 mil in cap space to good use next season and add a few key vet free agents.
Or maybe we’ll realize this is not a winning core and rebuilding through the acquisition of a super star via trade that either results in 4 years of magic or him walking so that we’d have 20+ mil off the books to play with next season. (Brook Lopez?)
So many options, but as I said, this can’t be done until march 1st. So there is time to figure out how to play this one.
Things are suddenly exciting again in WarriorLand
Well the March 1st date is only assuming Glen Davis is involved. Davis being involved is just one person’s individual opinion, pure speculation. Orlando may demand Turkoglu be included and not Big Baby. Therefore, March 1st would be irrelevant.
But I agree with you, I would like to see a couple more weeks of our team and then decide what to do. We started the season great by beating Miami and Chicago, then sucked it up for a few weeks, and now we have won 3 straight. So I would like to hang on for another week or two before pulling the trigger.
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