Warriors Game Day Links #25: Golden State Warriors 102 vs Phoenix Suns 96 - Warriors overcome slow start, get another resilient finish, and the tide is turning.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 13, 2012 9:57 PM PST
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Recap: Warriors Recap #25: Golden State Warriors 102 vs Phoenix Suns 96 - Dubs Win Three Straight, Continue to Play With Our Emotions
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Suns: Bright Side Of The Sun
Recap: Phoenix Suns Can't Get Shots To Fall In Golden State, Warriors Win 102-96
Game thread 2: Gamethread #2: Suns At Warriors
Game thread 1: Gamethread: Suns At Warriors, 8:30PM AZ Time
Preview: Phoenix Suns Game Preview Against Golden State Warriors: First Of Three-In-Three
Recaps
Associated Press: Warriors beat Suns 102-96 for 3rd straight win | Photo Gallery
Sports Network: Lee leads Warriors over Suns
Matt Steinmetz: W's cool off Suns, win third in a row 98-91
Marcus Thompson II: Golden State Warriors rally past Phoenix Suns
Rusty Simmons: David Lee comes up big as Warriors extend streak
Pregame News
- Rusty noticed that team assists have gone up in recent games.
Rusty Simmons: Warriors excel at sharing the ball
- Previews of the game.
Matt Steinmetz: Suns-Warriors: What to watch for
Pregame Videos
- KNBR and 95.7 FM audio.
14:12 min: Tim Roye with Ralph and Tom on KNBR
10:14 min: Matt Steinmetz on 95.7 FM
11:22 min: Rick Barry on 95.7 FM
Mark Jackson before the game.
Postgame News
- No postgame news found.
Postgame Videos
John Henry Smith interviews David Lee right after the game.
Mark Jackson at the podium.
Stephen Curry in the locker room.
Monta Ellis in the locker room.
CSN highlights, recap.
Highlights by gumbywithpokey.
Recap and highlights from nba.com's game page:
Suns vs. Warriors: First half
Wright Gets It To Go
Curry to Lee Connection
Suns vs. Warriors
Postgame Quotes and Stuff from warriors.com recap
Audio
1:31 min: John Henry Smith interviews David Lee right after the game
1:17 min: Tim Roye interviews Ekpe Udoh right after the game
8:44 min: Mark Jackson Postgame - 2/13
1:18 min: Stephen Curry Postgame - 2/13
1:35 min: Monta Ellis Postgame - 2/13
1:27 min: Klay Thompson Postgame - 2/13
Mark Jackson
On The Warriors' Defense:
"We did a great job of defending - I thought early on Steve Nash was being Steve Nash and they were getting whatever they wanted. We made adjustments, got aggressive in pick and rolls, stayed in front and made multiple effort plays and closing out shooters. Offensively that's not going to be a problem. We came in at halftime and I think we were shooting 37 percent. We felt real good where we were at because we are going to make those shots. I told them at halftime, 'The old Warrior team would be down 15-20 points' because their defense wouldn't have kept them in the game. In spite of us missing shots, our defense allowed us to still be in the ballgame."
On Ekpe Udoh:
"I'm certainly pleased with what he's doing on the floor. Outstanding defense on the pick and roll, on the block, all over the place, altering shots and then offensively he's becoming more aggressive. That's a shot when I met him during the NBA Finals I said 'I want you to shoot that shot' that mid-range jumper and on the block he's giving us something. The guy is playing great basketball and I'm really pleased that he's responding."
On The Bench Supplementing Monta Ellis' Scoring
"That's what good teams do. In spite of having star players not play well, they find a way to win. My reserves scored 38 points tonight. They defended and they changed the tone of the game. I have to give my starters credit, Monta [Ellis] started 0-9 and continued to battle, continued to grind it out and continued to defend. You talk about Monta [Ellis] and Steph [Stephen Curry] in the past we talk about this team not rebounding - both guys had seven rebounds. That's winning basketball. I think you have to find a way to win in spite of everything not going your way."
Stephen Curry
On What Tonight's Win Says About This Team:
"That we are headed in the right direction and trying to get wins whichever way we can. Our shots weren't falling today. Some guys had it going so we tried to win on the defensive end. I don't remember the last time we kept the Suns under 100 points (2/11/04). That's where we won the game; we got stops when it mattered."
On David Lee's Play:
"He was attacking and being aggressive. We went to him a lot down in the post, even isos in the wing where he was getting to the basket and finishing around the basket. He controlled the glass, that's what he does. He's a double-double machine when he's out there playing the way he is supposed to. It was a huge game from him."
Nate Robinson
On Defense Picking Them Up Tonight:
"That's what a team is for. Guys picking up other guys when they're down and not shooting the ball well. It's a team game."
On Second Unit's Play:
"We just play hard regardless if we make mistakes, we just play through it. It has been working for us. Hopefully we can continue to do that through the course of the season, continue to play hard and take care of each other."
Interesting Tweets
(after the game)
KCsFinest4: Good W
EkpeUdoh: Yea that was a HUGE win tonight. Thanks for the crazy support!!! Oh and have a nice evening!!!
StephenCurry30: Way to get hype in the 4th sir RT @EkpeUdoh: Yea that was a HUGE win tonight. Thanks for the crazy support!!! Oh and have a nice evening!!!
Dlee042: Great team win tonight to make it 3 straight! Great job by my bro @EpkeUdoh off the bench!
JacksonMark13: Another Great win. I'm proud of my guys! We still got work to do. #GreatFans
Notes
- According to Tim Roye on KNBR, similar to how Keith Smart tracked deflections, Mark Jackson and his staff tracks contested shots, as part of the measurement of effort on defense.
- The ankle that Curry tweaked during the game was the LEFT, not the right.
What's next?
- Let's take this momentum and beat up the Trail Blazers on Wed on national TV here at home again.
| Day | Date | Time | Opponent | TV | Radio |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed | Feb 15 | 7:00pm | Trail Blazers | CSNBayHD / ESPN | KNBR 680 |
| Fri | Feb 17 | 5:00pm | @Thunder | CSNBayHD | KTCT 1050 |
| Sat | Feb 18 | 5:00pm | @Grizzlies | CSNBayHD | KNBR 680 |
| Mon | Feb 20 | 7:30pm | Clippers | CSNBayHD | KNBR 680 |
| Wed | Feb 22 | 6:00pm | @Suns | CSNBayHD | KTCT 1050 |
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by doubleteapot on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
Blazers are very beatable at home
especially because they will have played the Wiz on Tuesday
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its longer than a 5 game rough stretch
you only see the next 5 games
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Apparently Jerry West watched Arenas work out with the Lakers
I guess he won’t be making any front office decisions anytime soon. And it was silly to expect him to suddenly want to be a GM again.
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It's been rumored that his role is actually going to be increasing here.
I don’t see why him watching the Arenas private workout suggests anything other than him trying to gauge what Gilbert has left.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
If nothing else, you can find out if he's worth bringing in if we do end up trading Monta or Steph
He wouldn’t be such a terrible addition.
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He wouldn’t be such a terrible addition.
Agreed. What’s a word that means worse than terrible?
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
You wouldn’t bring him in for a vet minimum if we ended up trading away one of our guards? Reports are he looked very healthy and very mobile in the workout. I’d especially do it if were Curry that was traded. Wouldn’t want to start Nate or Monta at PG, and would rather work CJ into more minutes than throwing him into the fire.
If Arenas could some in and shoot the 3 efficiently and pick up a few assists a game, he’d be a smart pickup. If he couldn’t, we only increased our player salaries by about $1M. Solid reward, low risk move, and one that has been said would appeal to Dwight if we did trade for him.
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went Lee here
Udoh played a great game but Lee was our offensive force tonite
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 PM PST reply actions
me too
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
The league better hope we never get a Center.
by J-RIDAH on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
You really are the voice of irrational fans.
I’ve come to accept it at this point. The Warriors hedge their bets on people like you.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
huh?
he is not saying anything outlandish…pretty clear if this team had a legit center it becomes at least a mid western conf team…but a lot of teams can say the same thing.
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Well define legit center...
And yeah…like you said, you can say that about almost all teams. I don’t see how that makes our team special.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
we're just one LeBron away
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Udoh seems to be a pretty good center.
And he plays the majority of our center minutes, yet we’re not very good. Hmm.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Udoh is a PF.
Legit center is even Kawame Brown compared to what we have now.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
He can't even hope to compete with any legitimately sized center
Marc Gasol, Bynum, Howard, Hibbert, etc destroy him in the post. He holds his own far better against PFs because they are more his size.
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by Brownie13 on Feb 13, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And they destroy almost every center in the post.
Hibbert and Gasol didn’t do much against Udoh though.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Hibbert had a season high in rebounds
They didn’t have big offensive games, but I’m not sure it was Udoh guarding them much or not. I just know he struggles with guys bigger than him. Ideally you want a center who can be just as physical as the others at his position.
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maybe he voted for himself....haha
ego boost much beans???
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by bimmercirem3 on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe we should all vote for him as some sort of joke
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by doubleteapot on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Kind of like that time when we rec’ed all of Montadaboss’s fanposts. Whatever happened to that funny l’il guy?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Man if he wrote a fanpost I'd be down with recing it
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by doubleteapot on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Wow...
I heard an even crazier rumor that notEdreese is actually edreese, edreese2, edreese23, edreese22, edreese224, Edreese223, ZaMzAm FIRe, StStaints408, and boomdizzleness. I’m not sure if I believe it though…
by olympicmike on Feb 14, 2012 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
Wait why does he have so many accounts LOL
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
It was at a time before he was a mod. Me and Atma 1 didn't exactly get along.
I got banned for swearing without even swearing. Like I got a warning, did not comment for a week, and then got banned again. That happened.
i got banned for saying F*** the Lakers
Not even a warning.. it was crazy talk
Dangerously? Yea.
by TooShort2Play on Feb 14, 2012 3:04 AM PST up reply actions
I won't deny it. all the Edreese ones were me trying to get on at school but they wouldn't let me get onto my email.
How about you go see why I got banned? I believe someone started a religious thread of some sort and I got banned for providing definitions. Not sure why you’re targeting me when Brownie was the one that stated the rumor?
Haha
Targeting you? Hey man, I’m just joking around. I think if I was targeting you you’d have just found yourself banned again. You have to admit that the sheer number of usernames is pretty funny, no matter the circumstances.
And let’s get this straight, you were banned for swearing and name calling on most of those accounts, and if you suddenly decide to start behaving that way again you will be banned again. Lucky for all of us here you (like Gov and many others) seem to have gotten the hang of things after a few slaps on the e-wrist. Personally, I think your most recent username was funny enough to earn you a fresh start. :)
HAHAH just looked , but how do you know its really him?
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I mean...
the guy did hit every shot he took
awesome
the bar has been set
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 14, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Now I know I said this twice already
but I’ll mention it again anyway. I took a peek at the Blazers schedule, and it turns out that they will be playing a back-to-back-to-back series against the Wizards, Warriors, and Clippers. You guys have one day off, so you should be a bit rested after playing a tough back-to-back. However, you guys should obviously not take the Blazers lightly since they’re going to play rough against you guys.
Proud to be a brony.
Sorry if you already mentioned this but I perhaps missed it
but what team do you root for?
I always see you taking great interest in the Warriors but you never associate yourself with them.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
He's a Lakers fan
But since they are sucking right now he’s with us
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by doubleteapot on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah...
…Lakers are sucking right now. They’re like the Blazers this season; great at home, but bad on the road.
Proud to be a brony.
welcome.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
haha i know...
but what i meant was welcome you didn’t bring all the douchey laker-ness with you. i have friends that are lakers fans and they can’t stop talking about how good they are and just shit talk everyone else…
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, thanks
Yeah, I hate how some Laker fans tend to be uptight and talk about how good their team is or used to be. But every fandom has their share of idiots, I guess.
I decided to follow you guys to see how you guys do this season. And man, you guys really are a fun team to watch despite your W-L record.
Proud to be a brony.
imo, this is our least entertaining season post-we believe
my opinion
by Monta THE Boss on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, until the past few games
I think the Warriors are starting to find an identity.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
they also get a day off
against the wizards
LOL
Sad but true… Wizards are the dumbest team in the NBA
Bobcats are the worst and least talented team in the NBA (Great job MJ!)
Hornets are being prepared for contraction
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I gif stuff
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by doubleteapot on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
charlotte is tanking it....
…must be one of mj’s genius moves again. like kwame no.1 pick.
Oh and I want to add
I guess the game vs. Wizards is gonna be a free win for them. So technically, they do get a day off like we do.
Proud to be a brony.
"Jackson also leaned on his bench in the fourth quarter, and his substitutes -- nicknamed the Dubstitutes for their recent contributions late -- again rewarded his risk."
From the espn summary of the game…..something must be done, there were some waaaaay better nicknames .
by cam3racks on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm pleased but not satisfied with the 3 wins
well played / well klayed
by cam3racks on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
blazers are a very questionable team just because we tend to do really good against them: home or away.
now against okc and memphis…i’m not so sure. But i really think we have a good chance at memphis even if we win or lose at okc. Why? because the huge dot is zach randolph and he isn’t there. But yes they still have rudy and gasol. I still think with any given night we can outscore and defend-lightly to win games.
And what I have noticed is that we can really win games if one of the core 3 has a good night and the other have so-so games.
Past games: Monta,Curry,Monta,Lee. All of these games are with one of the core 3 playing well and the rest playing side roles, yet efficient.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
5-20 is efficient for Monta?
I don’t want to know what inefficient is for him….
Udoh +14 in 22 minutes
Biedrins -10 in 16 minutes
At a certain point you have to think Udoh’s overwhelmingly positive plus/minus results are no fluke. He’s like the anti-Monta! ;-P
There will be no extra point!
He's been excellent
I say keep him coming off the bench. If it ain’t broke…
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
well, it could get better... at a certain point I think we are due for a Klay for Monta switch
as well as Beans for Udoh switch… If those two emerge as studs then we are suddenly becoming legit… Monta as a backup sounds intriguing
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
sound intriguing to Monta?
i know he won MIP playing heavy minutes off the bench lighting up other teams second units and playing the 4th but is this Monta with no Baron, J-Rich, Capt Jack, Barnes, Pietrus, Harrington in front of him or able to console him going to do this for the better of the team.
If Monta came off the bench or the Warriors found a point-forward or a big body defensive point guard they would be in so much better position
unless they have a Dwight, Bynum, etc at the center spot this Monta/Steph thing isnt going to work
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 14, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Goddamn we really need MacGuire
He woulda shut down Frye and Morris. And I miss actual defense being played.
hey iq...i keep getting missing plug-ins using chrome on certain links. can you tell me what source it's from (like player???)
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing that requires a plug-in at this moment is the tvider audio
which I took from this place: http://t.co/7Y6ogidm
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
ahhh
thanks.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
I use VLC player
the can playing anything
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
I gif stuff
Don't believe everything you read on the internet - Abraham Lincoln
by doubleteapot on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like the Warriors
(•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)
Klayed well tonight
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
I gif stuff
Don't believe everything you read on the internet - Abraham Lincoln
by doubleteapot on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
Whoa...
The “deal with it” meme in typographic form. Cool!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
thats....
(•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)
just too cool for school man…
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 14, 2012 1:09 AM PST up reply actions
isnt it backwards?
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Feb 14, 2012 6:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
WHAT?
(⌐■_■)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(•_•)
what do you mean?
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 14, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
just got home...
Missed the game… Did beans get a double double?
Glad to see the warriors beat the suns. They usually out shoot us.
by adoboguy on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Actually, they tried to pick and roll us to death
but we eventually adjusted and slowed that down
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Oh man, Gortat and Nash were just killing us!
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Denver, Houston, and Phoenix
Two out of the three teams you have beaten are teams with the playoffs seed. Wow! You guys are making progress.
Proud to be a brony.
Plus, the game before the streak started, we led OKC with 20 seconds to play. And the game before that, we led Sacramento with a minute to play. We’re that close to a 13-12 record and a 7-game winning streak!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
This is a confusing team… but the key will be keeping it up after the All star break, when our schedule is nuts
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
I gif stuff
Don't believe everything you read on the internet - Abraham Lincoln
by doubleteapot on Feb 13, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I remember we crept close to .500 at the All Star break, then we fell apart when everyone came back from break.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 13, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Thats why I say that if we were like the other 29 teams in the league that have a Center we’d be dangerous.
Maybe Kwame will be ready in time for the PLAYOFFS…
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 13, 2012 11:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
LOL...You're acting like Biedrins plays a lot of minutes.
He plays 16 mpg? Udoh and Lee are the centers and you say they’re good…but i digress.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
They're about as good as you can expect besides the upper teir centers, which we won't get.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
more importantly
their as good as we’re going to get without getting rid of Curry, which renders the “we’re one center away from being great” argument moot…
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
We dont need an upper tier center, we need size and to get better at rebounding. Kwame proved it.
by MonstaEllis on Feb 13, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
THIS
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Feb 13, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
What were we with Kwame?
2-6?
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
What were we 7 games ago?
6-12
We clearly did not start the season well. But Kwame would have continued to help.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Added
John Henry Smith interviews Lee right after the game. Curry in the locker room.
3 in a row!
OK cya in the playoffs!
GSW '12 CHAMPS!
Warriors have won 5 of last 7
Only losses to #1 Thunder on a game winning shot by Durant and an OT loss to Kings. Could easily be 7-0
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
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Added
Mark Jackson at the podium. CSN highlights, recap. Udoh, Rush tweets. Rusty recap.
someone need to light a fire under beans
we can be a playoff team if he can do his part of ~8 pts and 8 rebs
Haters Gonna Hate
It's not going to happen.
Three different coaches have tried, all have failed.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 13, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
nullify his work visa too
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 14, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Added
Monta in the locker room. Warriors.com audio, quotes.
games like this sure make me mad
can you imagine just how good we’d be if we’d drafted Kawhi Leonard over Klank Thompson, and hired Dwyane Casey over Mark Jackson, clearly one of the worst coaches in the league???
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
Dwyane Casey's doing a really good job in Toronto imo.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Not that MJ isn't good...
I like him too.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, despite the poor record. I don’t think there’s enough evidence yet to suggest that one is doing better than the other. I was just really, really, really irked by the amount of fan posts and trolling comments after four games saying that MJ was the worst coach in the league and Klay was a bust.
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
I will admit I called Klay a bust.
Never said MJ was a bad coach besides at the time of the hiring…his announcing was still too fresh in my mind!
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
amen to that! and I was harsh on Klay initially too. I just think everything needs time to stew, and I’m glad that we’re seeing positive results on both of those rooks.
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
Jenkins doesn't look ready though.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Klay is no bust, but I'd still rather have Leonard and keep Reggie.
Leonard has that potential to be an elite defender on the perimeter something we lack and is in high demand in the NBA. With that being said I would love to see what would happen if Klay got some more minutes and his role on the team was increased. I am especially pleased that Klay isn’t the awful defender I was told he was.
by brutusbrutus on Feb 14, 2012 12:45 AM PST up reply actions
If true
he is still better offensively, with the potential to get better.
Dom has no offensive game to speak of
Not knocking Dom, he is what he is, but comparing him to Kawhi as a player overall is overstating his actual worth.
As far as Klay v Leonard, I’m still unsure, but I REALLY like Klay
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Biedrins sucks, but he's not making the team so bad like homers want you to believe.
Someone who plays 16 MPG is not the difference between you being a bad team and a playoff team. Top talent is the real reason we’re bad. We don’t have it.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:21 PM PST reply actions
furthermore, for as poor as he is on offense, he still rebounds well and plays some decent defense. And, to his credit, he understands his limitations on offense. It’s not like he’s averaging 10 shots a game.
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
He's still got the 5th best net +/- on the team...
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
SSS
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 13, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
I know...
Just pointing out he probably hasn’t killed the team this season.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
not that he hasn't killed the team
the logic is…a good center could be playing ~30 min per game, along side guys like Udoh/Lee, while helping us defend and rebound far better…and being a factor offensively
Would be nice to not be 30th in rebounding and to actually be able to 1 on 1 defend some of the better centers in the league
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 13, 2012 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
It's not reasonable to expect getting a center like that...
There’s maybe 5-6 centers in the league right now that could provide that. 2 are on the Lakers.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Even Kawame Brown provided a lot of what we need….there are a lot of centers that would have a very positive impact on this team…
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 13, 2012 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
He also made the offense much worse because he's useless on that side of the ball.
He didn’t make much of a difference, granted, he’s better than Biedrins.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
Dwight
Bynum
Gasol
Hibbert
Okafor
Varejao
Noah
Jefferson
Cousins
Gortat
Chandler
Dalembert
Nene (if he even is a C anymore)
Any of those 13 would suffice, and plenty more would still be better than Biedrins
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These are the only one's who would make a real difference.
Dwight
Bynum
Gasol
Hibbert
Okafor
Varejao
Noah
Jefferson
Cousins
Gortat
Chandler
Dalembert
Nene (if he even is a C anymore)
And by that, I mean having us in playoff contention.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
We might already be in playoff "contention"
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by Brownie13 on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
we might be
but if we win tomorrow, we might trail the 8 spot by just 1 game
when you’re 1 game out of the playoffs, you’re definitely in “contention”
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Healthy Varejao
Healthy Varejao would make a big diffference. Awesome defender, great hustle, and average offensive player. He is the 1 of the reasons why cleveland is doing good.
the way dalembert is playing
he’d have us in playoff contention. same with cousins
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
dalembert has been terrible lately...
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he gets the job done defensively
and scores efficiently (with minimal output)
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
I'd add McGee to that list
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
Just saying
He would make this team a lot better right now…and personally I like him under the right coaching/team situation, still has a TON of untapped potential
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 13, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
I think its easier to teach yourself how to play winning basketball than have someone else do it.
This is especially true of someone who is already 24. If you can’t figure it out on your own, that definitely something about your basketball IQ (or lackthereof)
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but he's right
that was referring to defending and rebounding better than Beans. right there gets rid of half of your list. being a factor offensively takes away a few as well.
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
oops, accidentally replied to the wrong post
my bad
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
if we're playing that game...
I can make lists similar to that that would be an upgrade at every position we have, so….color me confused, I guess.
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
we're not playing that game
he said there was 5 or 6
I showed him that I didn’t think so
I didn’t say we had any means to acquire any of those guys
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but he's right
that was referring to defending and rebounding better than Beans. right there gets rid of half of your list. being a factor offensively takes away a few as well.
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
10 of the 13 average double digit points
he left Noah. he’s one of the 3 that doesn’t. Dalembert (worst player on the list) and Okafor (2nd worst) are the others.
Every single other player there is a better rebounder/defender than Beans.
At most, you can take off 2.
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those players average more points
because they play more minutes with better passing PGs.
sure, Varejao is better offensively than Biedrins. but he’s not a factor, per se, when you consider the minutes and Kyrie Irving.
as for better rebounders, here are a list of players from that list that are averaging worse defensive rebounding rates:
Okafor
Noah
Chandler
Dalembert
Nene
and worse offensive rebounding rates:
Gasol
Jefferson
Nene
so your argument doesn’t totally hold water.
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
Sure.
If Biedrins were giving us a consistent 23 good minutes a game (rather than the inconsistent 17 he has been giving us) that would go a long way towards helping this team in the areas where we desperately need help.
Yes ... and no.
It’s not like that SSS is completely at odds with what we’ve seen from him this season using the eyeball test.
When he’s been playing well (which has not been every game!) he’s rebounding, playing post defense, and blocking shots. Those are things this team desperately needs. I think because the things he’s doing well don’t translate into everybody’s favorite stat (PPG baby!) that people tend to think he had a bad game even when he didn’t.
And it doesn’t help that he still seems to be taking at least one game in every three, and possibly more, completely off.
We think he had a bad game
because he usually does have a bad game. At this time it’s time to give up on Biedrins. it’s ridiculous how to coaches need to work so hard to build up his “confidence”. Biedrins does not want to play in the NBA, plain and simple. He should have been amnestied.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
*the coaches
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
Why is it better than all of our starters besides Curry by a good amount?
It could be completely random but I don’t think it is…
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Because he only ever plays with ALL 4
The other 4 starters play without each other all the time, especially Lee and Monta.
They also play more minutes for what so far has been an under-.500 team. So it’s expected that in net plus/minus, they would be more negative than him.
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seeing as most teams have better starters than us, and we have a better bench than most teams
i would expect someone who only plays with our starters against the opposing starters to have a negative +/-
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not really trying to explain anything
just trying to point out that
He only ever plays with the starters? That’s not that impressive.
is not really a meaningful argument. Our starters are not very good compared to most other teams’ starters, so it’s not like he’s just riding the starters to a high +/-.
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i guess the easiest explanation would be
beans plays less than the other starters, so his +/- is less negative than the others (since the warriors are a negative point differential team). steph is the only starter with a higher unadjusted +/- (and the only starter with a positive number)
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Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
sidenote, udoh has some beastly +/- numbers, unadjusted and adjusted
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I don’t think anyone is blaming him for the losses but people are perplexed imagining what he can do for the team if…
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think anyone is blaming him for the losses
J-Ridah?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
He's not so much blaming him
as he is pointing out the contrast between the ability of most teams’ starting C v Biedrins.
Which is true. If we could solid production for 30 minutes a night out of a legitimate center, we’d be a lot better.
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Much much better. In the history of basketball I cant recall a team winning without a C unless they had 2 allstars on the roster.
That's not true.
But why does it matter what position?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
position doesn't matter
ability does….rebounding/defending guys with size 1 on 1/running the pick and roll/blocking out….size…
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
I just have a feeling if we trade Monta or Steph for Hibbert..
J-Ridah’s new narrative will be, “Imagine this team with a good PG.”
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey is this rumor true?
I heard that montadaboss became GovernorStephCurry
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What does that have to do with anything?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 13, 2012 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm bored.
Somebody brought up that user earlier in the thread.
Someone with inside knowledge once told me that it was.
So now I’m just curious.
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probably, they both act the same way and seems like montadaboss is gone?
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
WHY YOU NO ANSWER?
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by Brownie13 on Feb 14, 2012 12:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you care much? lol
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Who's your source?
Sleepy?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
naw
can’t reveal dems
what good is sources if everyone knoeeessss?
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But it was common knowledge...
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, now I do haha.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:14 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Why can't the Lakers find one?
Why can’t the Heat get one? Why did the Bulls in MJ’s day not find one?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
Um what are you talking about
MJ= GOAT, plus Pippen often was the “point forward.” No need to spend on a PG especially when they ran the triangle
Lakers also ran the TRIANGLE which did not require a PG, they didn’t try to pursue one
Heat do have a PG – Mario Chalmers. He’s playing well.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Mario Chalmers looks good because he spots up in a corner waiting for Wade or Bron to dish to him.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
So you'd rather have the ball in some random player's hands
instead of Wade and LeBron – two of the best players in the league? Mario is doing exactly what the Heat want from their PG – make shots. No it’s not “traditional” but when you have two great perimeter players you don’t want a PG who needs the ball in his hands.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
You put him on almost any other team and he's a backup at best.
Hence not a good pg.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
Um my point is
the Heat don’t NEED a good PG, so they don’t try to get one. They don’t need another perimeter player – they have Wade and Lebron.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
specious argument
since we’re talking about two of the five best players alive.
Heat not needing a good PG and anyone else not needing a PG are vastly different things.
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Dude follow the thread
J-RIDAH said that it is easy to find PGs – Gov said that it isn’t and cited the Lakers and Heat as examples – I replied by explaining that the Lakers and Heat don’t need PGs due to coaching and the fact that they already have All-Star ball dominant perimeter players
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
hard to say
maybe with a bigger role, he performs comparably to the average starting PG
regardless, he is playing really well in the role he HAS been given
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Nah Chalmers isn't that good
He knocks down shots. More of a SG really. Plays defense well.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
Any idea why we didn't amnesty Biedrins?
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
threat of latvian world domination
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by Brownie13 on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
hahahha!!
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 14, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
The Center is the most important position in the game.
by J-RIDAH on Feb 14, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think "star" or "good player" is the most important position.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
Wilt Chamberlain, Dwight Howard, Patrick Ewing...but hey
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
My bad...there's a few others.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
mikan has ring
mountain man has ring
admiral has ring
dream has ring
moses has ring
skyhook has ring
diesel has ring
russell has ring
chairman of boards has ring
who not have ring?
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by Brownie13 on Feb 14, 2012 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Webber, Artis Gilmore, Nate Thurmond, Lanier...
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
barkley C? no
K Malone C? no
Webber C? no
Artis past prime when enterred NBA (does have ABA championship)
nate good argument (unlucky to be playing his best at height of celtics dynasty)
lanier too
both probably fall outside the list of top 10 centers ever
Ewing probably only top 10 center w/o ring
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Ewing came close many times.
Before Jordan’s retirement, I think Knicks were usually second or third best team in the league. Because of Jordan, there’s gonna be a whole class of HOF with no ring.
During Jordan’s retirement, the more dominant Center picked up 2 rings.
how is Ewing a top ten
but Thurmond is not ? because you saw one play in his prime, but not the other ?
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I’m probably using the wrong sort of rating scale for this discussion.
In terms of dominance, it wouldn’t be fair to hold Ewing above Nate. I think I juxtaposed my belief of Ewing to be the overall player (regardless of generation) into the discussion of how most dominant centers have rings. In that discussion, I think you’re right. It’s more surprising that Thurmond doesn’t have a championship season than it is that Ewing didn’t, because in his time, just like Russell and Wilt, Thurmond dominated his competition in ways almost no center since has been capable of. I just think it’s clear he was not the player they were, nor the player that many centers from more recent decades were.
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Why'd you include Dwight
Last I checked he was still in the league and only played 7 years
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
I don't really differentiate between PF and C. A big is a big.
There’s so many star bigs who haven’t won championships.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
I was asking
why you included a player who only played seven years. His career is far from over.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
I agree that you need a great defensive big to win. Look at the Celtics with Perkins/KG, Lakers with Bynum, Spurs with Duncan, etc. There’s a reason, in my opinion, that Malone, Ewing and Barkley went ringless while Rodman, Wallace and Perkins won rings.
Interior defense wins championships. Interior offense is just an added bonus.
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yes agree
Look how the Jazz fell off when Eaton retired before they got Greg Ostertag
Barkley will always be ripped for not giving his all on defense and is it a coincidence he doesnt have a ring?
Ewing, he came close several times but he had no help in the frontcourt. Thorpe/Hakeem and Duncan/Robinson trumped his NY frontcourt and lets not forget the many years he got ousted by the Bulls and before that the Celtics and Pistons
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 14, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Brad Daugherty, Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Mutombo… any of those three would be all stars right now… Oh yeah, Zo got one as Shaq’s back up, but never as the featured center. Yao Ming. If I give it 5 minutes I could think of a dozen more.
I guess clarification on what a “star center” is may be needed, and I expect a flurry of goalpost-moving excuses to pop up. But those guys were all stars with huge salaries.
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I hate counting Daugherty because his back gave out on him
but Mutumbo came close but he played on some bad/flawed teams
and Yao? again the injuries. who knows in 08 had he not broken his foot in game 3 of the semis would it been the Rockets taking out the Celtics big three?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 14, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
I would address each of their individual issues and faults, but the real key here is something you addressed yourself:
I guess clarification on what a "star center" is may be needed
You didn’t notice that the guys on my list were all more than just “stars?” J-Ridah may not have heavily detailed what he meant as a “star center,” but when you’re looking at the context of All-Time, I assumed he meant guys who were truly great. All of the guys on my list were. None of the guys on your list were, each for their own reason, a few of which are very clear, and don’t even have to do with their own individual ability.
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I guess I would say an all star, especially a player who played multiple all star games (I believe Mutombo played in 8, Daugherty 5) should qualify as a star.
I didn’t include one time all stars like Magloire, Willis, etc. Just guys who were highly regarded for years. And it only took me about 30 seconds to come up with 4 names that I think are very valid.
Only 10 centers in the league are averaging 28+ minutes a game.
Every other center is 22 minutes or less.
by sportsguy950 on Feb 14, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
i think for me i just want him to play smarter and with more passion
if he could just play 8 rpg 3 bpg without fouling every 10 seconds and only taking 2 or 3 shots from rolling hard after setting screens, i dont care if he goes 0-6 from the line as long as he forces other teams to foul and get in the penalty
being one of the best conditioned big men used to be a plus for him. now he’s passed out in his feces in European hotels in the offseason.
he would play more if he didnt bring such and half-_ effort and just hacks like there is no tomorrow. If he’s not going to mentally check in then i dont want him to physically check in
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 14, 2012 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
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by RealityOCheck on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
nice insight.
a light bulb went on. But Beans is a professional, needs to improve his game.
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 14, 2012 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
How do you find the time/motivation to do this?
It’s impressive.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
Because I have the mindset of a competitor
which means I don’t give up and I do it no matter how ugly things get.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 14, 2012 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Hahahaha
no, i’m just competitive. I think it started with those math competitions I participated in back in elementary school.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 14, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
Random thought
Is Mark Jackson a Hall of Fame player?
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wont get in first try
but he has the numbers to get in. he was also an innovator as he took “big body point guard” to a new level
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 14, 2012 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
since Biedrins still provokes a disproportionate share of chatter
folks might benefit from listening to that radio piece from 95.7 with Steinmetz. He comes up with a very plausible explanation : the Latvian is a hoops equivalent of a pro women’s tennis player, because he entered the grind of full time work and preparation to ‘play’ at a very young age in the Latvian athletes’ training system. the Euros have 16 yr. olds in their pro leagues. he’s burnt out at 25, and knows the best and most fun part of his career has passed [the Davis-S.Jackson-Nelson teams] . for those of you who don’t follow tennis and imagine that Steinmetz is calling Biedrins effeminate, just reflect on how young the women players are when they start winning big time [ T.Austin, about 16, Hingis won a grand slam at 16, Graf and Evert were ferocious competitors at 18 just to name a few] and many are retired or burnt out around the age Biedrins is. for that matter, McEnroe made it to the semifinals of Wimbledon singles at 18 and didn’t win a major after the age of 25.
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Interesting thought
Maybe he is burnt out. Though it seems more like he just doesn’t care anymore.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
Is it possible that his play dropped to rock bottom as soon as he lost a good playmaker in Baron feeding him easy baskets.
by MonstaEllis on Feb 14, 2012 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
I'm just saying this because watching Nash reminded me how important a PG is to an average big man's (Gortat) contribution.
We still don’t have that kind of playmaker ever since Baron left.
by MonstaEllis on Feb 14, 2012 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
the season after Davis left for LA
was one of Biedrins’ best — in some ways, ‘Capt Jack’ was great for the Latvian. Biedrins looked as engaged, animated, and like he enjoyed playing that season when he was healthy as much as in the two winning seasons with Davis there. Jackson led the team in assists, and one or two of the 6.5 he averaged per game were to Biedrins, who in turn looked for him when he snagged rebounds on either end.
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Yeah, I thought that was a very plausible explanation as well.
And when you add in Biedrins comments about his injuries, and how he heard that you can feel the injuries when you get older, and he didn’t want to walk around with a cane, I can see why he’d be disillusioned with the game.
However, the one thing that it DOESN’T explain is why he’s scared of the ball and why he’s scared to play offense.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 14, 2012 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
because big black guys will bully him under the hoop!
Haters Gonna Hate
by Wreckonized on Feb 14, 2012 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
LOL
Love your avatar BTW
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I gif stuff
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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
I gif stuff
Don't believe everything you read on the internet - Abraham Lincoln
by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
part of being burned out
is how self consciousness of failure looms bigger than memories of, or even experiences of success, and that inhibition in turn decreases the positive feedback from success. Coming back from painful experiences of any sort is different for individuals. The basic premise of operant conditioning [a.k.a. conditioned behaviour, behavioural psychology a la B.F.Skinner or Pavlov] is how painful stimuli persist in affecting behaviour after they’ve been eliminated, to a greater degree than pleasurable ones. Which of course makes sense as a survival mechanism, and why strong will power is so valuable in competitive success. Will power gets burned out too. The level that Biedrins competes on is so fast and intense that hesitation or being self conscious and tentative makes success virtually impossible, and his awareness of that compounds the internal hurdle. He also had to recover from a serious and complicated injury while playing on losing teams, so he didn’t get any positive feedback from team success.
there was a pretty strong signal that Biedrins was burned out when he got kicked off his national team essentially for drunkenness and setting a poor example as a veteran leader ; he’d usually competed there over summers to stay in shape and tune up parts of his game, including free throws and perimeter shooting.
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by the.monk on Feb 14, 2012 1:27 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Euros have 16 yr. olds in their pro leagues ?? LOL
The only one who was 16 in ACB league was Rubio. But is true that we dont keep real talent playing against kids like your sistem do.
I think Dorell is absolute awfull in this sistem. He is a TO waiting to happen when the ball is his hands. Start McGuire and play him 6-7 minutes each part, then go for Klay and Rush.
Trade Dorell for a 20-30 firts round.
LOL@ the story about the wizards fan trolling lebron jane about his mom and delonte west
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
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alright Monta!
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