Here's my theory.....
Andris Biedrins, grew up in Latvia, and you project to be a basketball player, they put you in basketball academies from 10/11 years old and you get put into that basketball machine, which is a lifestyle, 10-12 hours a day, and then you play professionally at 15 or 16 years old. And then, my point is, he's 25/26 years old and he's burnt out. I think hes disillusioned.
He's basically like a woman's tennis player who starts playing when they're 12 years old. I think he's 25 and he might as well be 32 or 33.
Matt Steinmetz on 95.7 The Game
Interesting theory. I kind of buy it. He looks so uninterested/unhappy. He looks like someone who is in his 15th year as a pro and doesn't want to play.
Later on, discusses front offices legitimate fear, they don't think they can sign Free Agents. Basically what JRidah talks about...
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He got paid and brain turned to mush.
or he’s smart enough to know that basketball is not the most important thing in life? Maybe he just wants to enjoy his money when he retires?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 14, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
It appears he has already retired.
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 14, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
It appears he has already retired.
that would be sweet, 24 with multi millions in the bank.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 14, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
That is fine, but he has an obligation to earn the money the team is paying him. The obligation doesn’t end when he signs the contract, it ends when the contract expires. Biedrins seems to think the fat contract is a reward for services rendered.
That's the inherent risk of guarranteed contracts.
He did perform well right after he signed though. I could see him just burning out, at least until his next contract year. I wonder if the team is well marketed in Latvia. Perhaps if his exploits were well published, good or bad, maybe he would give a more consistent effort.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 14, 2012 12:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder if the team is well marketed in Latvia. Perhaps if his exploits were well published, good or bad, maybe he would give a more consistent effort.
Perhaps if his exploits were marketed enough in Latvia, their government might deny his passport the next time he tries to leave so Biedrins would stop embarrassing their country around the world.
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
by KillaContract on Feb 14, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
actually comments you can read on latvian sport pages
about Biedrins would make blush any loudmouth on GSoM
Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.
-Johnny Bravo is my role model -i m pretty
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 14, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if the team is well marketed in Latvia
it prolly would be if Dubs would be showing some sign that they are capable playing winning bball 4 a while -and also if Biedrins could be capable to score at least 8pts and 8rebs per game -otherwise there isn’t really much to sell
-also who cares about market with 2,5 million citisens somewhere deep in Eastern Europe
Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.
-Johnny Bravo is my role model -i m pretty
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 14, 2012 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Amen
There’s no defending Biedrins here. If you want to claim that there are more things important than basketball (which is true btw) and use that as an excuse for his indifference towards basketball and inability to give a crap, then you should be arguing that he should just retire now instead of continuing to cash checks that he’s clearly not earning.
I know nobody wants to say it and I get blasted whenever I bring it up, but Biedrins is the poster-child for why the NBA needed to switch to non-guaranteed contracts. I would’ve rather the owners wasted a season if it meant they could prevent players like Biedrins from making millions for doing nothing and essentially ruining any chance of his team becoming a contender as a result. The NBAPA cared more about securing as much money as they could for the guys currently in the league rather than trying to make sure that players got paid who actually deserved it.
Agreed
but it’ll never happen.
Sadly, I don’t think Biedrins is 100% finished. I just don’t think he’ll play a lick here.
I’m optimistic that the NBA will one day switch to a system with non-guaranteed contracts. If I recall correctly, there is an opt-out clause in 2017 (and for each of the next years until the end of the contract) for either side. If either the players or the owners are unhappy, we could be looking at another lockout sooner than some may think.
If players keep running to big markets and players like Biedrins continue to ruin the “product,” I don’t think it’s far-fetched to think the owners would demand non-guaranteed contracts.
league just needs
short term contracts (3y max) with some team drafted players protection (some so called rights)
Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.
-Johnny Bravo is my role model -i m pretty
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 14, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
he had his best season after his extension
the two things are not related
It seems likely that the injury/rehab thing just broke his will.
And at a certain point he said “f it, I’m going to do the minimum.”
And at a certain point he said "f it, I’m going to do the minimum."
exactly -4 some reason it seems that he struggles to get some production not just because of health problems -4 me it seems that somethin is wrong within his relations with organisation
Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.
-Johnny Bravo is my role model -i m pretty
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 14, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
I thought this was a good take on Biedrins
And Steinmetz is right, it’s an excuse. There are plenty of Euros who are much older and play motivated.
it's not an excuse
Basketball is his job, not a hobby. If everyone quite their careers at his age, we’d be stuck in the 18th century.
It’s immaturity above all
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Feb 14, 2012 10:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
What's annoying is
We should be able to terminate his contract.
by tafkasam on Feb 14, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I said this last year
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
For some reason, it feels more important when Steinmetz says it a year later.
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 14, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
not a bad theory
but I seriously don’t care.
You are getting paid millions of dollars to play a game.
Get out there and work hard for 48 minutes, it’s not too much to ask
I still have some weird sliver of hope that he magically turns it around
yeah, yeah, I know…
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
they need to play Tyler more
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
I agree
Experience is the best teacher
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Feb 14, 2012 10:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah. I honestly wonder why they don’t. They must have mistaken Houston’s trade offer last season as a sign that Biedrins is OK at playing basketball.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 14, 2012 12:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
well, he doesn't say the FA problem is nightclubs.
Some of us agree with the conclusion J-Ridah makes (we can’t land free agents) but argue it’s because of our history of losing and consistent second-tier status.
I didn't agree with that point, anyway
you don’t re-build through free agency, you re-build through the draft, so whether free agents come here is not relevant in that case
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Ronaldinho, Some would like you to believe that the Clippers went from worst to 1st because of Blake Griffin. Thats simply not the truth, there has been plenty of big men that were dominant that could not attract star players to their respective cities. If being dominant meant anything in regards to attracting key free agents Dwight Howard would not be asking to be traded. Its all about location. And no its not hyperbole on my part for saying that. Its f__king Los Angeles!!!!!!! When the season is over just about every star athlete is there tryna nail a actress or R&B singer. From what I hear from a friend, it was hella athletes at the Drake grammy party tryna pull models. It is what it is. Cap space means nothing in a non desirable market. Now we can debate if the Bay is a desirable market for years but when you see star after star going to certain cities eventually your gonna have to capitulate that J-Ridah’s theory just may be correct.
The problem with that argument is that the Clippers have been in L.A. for a long time ...
… and they couldn’t attract free agents during that time.
Why? Simple – they were losers.
All of a sudden they weren’t losers, and, BAM – now the location matters. Paul was willing to go to the Clips because he believed that with him they could be real winners.
If it was just about parties and nightclubs, the Clippers would have been a top destination for decades. But they haven’t been. Why? Simple – nobody wants to go to a consistent loser.
We may never have the same draw as L.A., but so what? You can’t impose a dichotomy where what actually exists is a gradual scale – some places are more desireable than others. LA and NY are the most desireable.
by Ronaldinho on Feb 14, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
and they couldn’t attract free agents during that time.
Hmm…wasn’t Sterling always cheap though? I mean, maybe they could have attracted better free agents, if he wanted to spend the money.
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
It's all irrelevant
I don’t think anyone thought we were more attractive to your average athlete than LA or NY. They are the two most popular cities.
The question is when it’s the bay v. orlando or even worse… milwaukee, sacramento, indiana.
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Thats why I always say, to a free agent were on the same level as Cleveland and Minny. They consider us a mid market team if not small market. Were damn sure not on the top 5 of anybodys list if those desirable cities want them for equal salary.
Were damn sure not on the top 5 of anybodys list if those desirable cities want them for equal salary.
I think that’s still largely related to winning.
We won’t ever trump an LA/NY team. I get that.
But really if we had a history of success like Dallas has recently, why couldn’t we be there? Big market, chance for big marketing opportunities.
If it was just about parties and nightclubs, the Clippers would have been a top destination for decades
and Atl and N’awlins too. Nothing like the dirty south when it comes to night life.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 14, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
I think he might be suffering from depression.
He should try adding Abilify to his depression medication.
It's pretty clear he doesn't enjoy playing in the NBA anymore
He pretty much spelled out his feelings about the NBA in that interview with the Latvian reporter a couple of years ago. He seems like he is content with what he has already achieved in the NBA. He has already surpassed his own expectation for himself, and he’s set himself up for life with the big contract. From here on out, he is just trying to fly under the radar and preserve his health. Basketball is nothing more than a paycheck for him these days.
http://www.warriorsworld.net/2010/08/09/andris-biedrins-speaks-out/
Right! They should have shipped him when they had the chance, and if they get another chance they better jump on it!
They can get more next trade deadline for him, but suffering through with him until then is a lot to ask.
One or two guys with shorter contracts is about the best we’ve been able to attract for him. Cool. Pull the trigger.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 14, 2012 1:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
wow thanks for posting that article
it was fascinating! I think it really sums it all up and there doesn’t even need to be any more speculation about him. He said it all. He has accumulated enough money to feel comfortable, doesn’t have a close relationship with his team so he has no real connection to anyone therefore no real sense of accountability that being on a team gives you, and feels that he has done enough and has no desire to work one bit harder then he has to because he doesn’t want to ruin his health.
I mean, wow, he really just put it all out there. The man has no desire, plain and simple. He is over it. Completely and totally over all of it and sounds extremely bored, too.
Interesting to see how he views his team mates and the NBA in general. It was really a low opinion. I get the impression he thinks he is better then a lot of these guys. I think that he seems to have the ego, not the other way around. He was a little too excited about the trade to PHX a few years ago.
Look at him and look at someone like Kobe. Kobe has accomplished a lot and still hungers for more, which allows him to succeed and drive.
Andris simply doesn’t have that internal drive. Nothing can ever fix that. Never.
Let him go. He will be happy to relax and do whatever it is he wants to do. No one wants someone like that on their team, even if it is Little League. That attitude is just so bad.
I am sure Biedrins would love a buyout of the remainder of his contract. I just don’t get why he let Charlie Bell beat him to the punch in winning the amnesty. Showing up to court drunk was a brilliant move by Bell! The Warriors organization, teammates, and fans have just been too soft on Biedrins. I think that is why he was not fully motivated and committed to earn the amnesty. Now he will likely have to settle for a buyout that will be a fraction of what he would have got with the amnesty.
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
by KillaContract on Feb 14, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
The problem with a buyout/waive
Is he still counts v. our cap.
He didn't want to be amnestied.
He said he was offended that he was in amnesty talks and it motivated him to try harder, and in training camp everybody did say that he had a new attitude. Unfortunately, it wasn’t quite enough.
But I’m just saying I don’t think he wanted the amnesty due to the ridicule that would come with it.
Now he will likely have to settle for a buyout that will be a fraction of what he would have got with the amnesty.
he don’t have to settle for less than his contract if he don’t want to. As long as he shows up and does what he’s told he’s getting paid, which is what contracts are for. Personally I’ve got no problem with his position, he didn’t force the team to sign the contract, they did it out of free will.I also got no problem with him taking care of his health as the JRich trade has shown the team has no loyalty to players who give their all so why give the team any loyalty?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 14, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
I can see this.
It could be a situation where he had no other option but to play basketball because he had the body and skill for it. Don’t blame the guy for using what he was given, you would accept a multimillion dollar contract if you were handed it too…
I find it very insulting to women’s tennis players. Tennis players must play well to earn their paychecks.
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
by KillaContract on Feb 14, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough
Take away their work ethic, skill, competitive drive, and willingness to earn their money and you have Biedrins.
by ERock386 on Feb 14, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Steinmetz' comparison with the tennis players
was based on how intense the training and competition gets for them in their mid-teens, and the best are expected to make the main tour by 17. Biedrins didn’t have a comfy suburban high school or academy for his school hoops, but was in a national elite athlete’s training system, and drafted by Mullin when he was 17. Steinmetz was looking at Biedrins’ age of 25 as being comparable to a top pro woman at that age who’s been in the grind nearly a decade. non-tennis fans might not consider how the pro tennis season takes virtually no time off during the year, and how all the support personnel involved with training, therapy, coaching are paid out of the players’ individual pockets.
Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)
I do remember Biedrins having the interview in Latvia where he said some very smart things.
But they weren’t exactly things you want to hear out of an NBA player. Stuff like ,“What’s the point of ruining your body for a few million dollars” and “there’s always life after basketball.”
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 6:24 PM PST reply actions
This is why quality big men are elusive
If you’re 7 ft tall and athletic, you basically have to play basketball because you don’t want to turn down millions to play a game. However it results in a lot of big men who don’t really like the game or have the desire to work at it. Reminds me of Greg Oden before the draft saying he wanted to be a dentist, while Durant was talking about how he had trained to be a star since before he was a teenager.
If you don’t want to ruin your body and care about other things more, then do us all a favor and begin your life-after-basketball right now. There are plenty of guys who actually love the game and want to compete who would be glad to take your spot and put their body on the line.
Side note- this isn’t football or boxing (contact sports). Do we really have proof of basketball players having serious physical problems as a result of having played the game? This isn’t like boxing where guys can have life-threatening issues. At worst, you have a bum knee or something- an injury that may prevent one from playing basketball, but not from enjoying life. Just seems like a pretty lame excuse that a lot of people are giving Biedrins a pass on.
. Do we really have proof of basketball players having serious physical problems as a result of having played the game? This isn’t like boxing where guys can have life-threatening issues. At worst, you have a bum knee or something- an injury that may prevent one from playing basketball, but not from enjoying life. Just seems like a pretty lame excuse that a lot of people are giving Biedrins a pass on.
Yes. Enormous people leave the game with a vast amount of injuries that hinder their quality of life. Big men have bum knees, hips, ankles, back, and feet issues that don’t ever heal. Look at Bill Walton, Yao Ming… Biedrins did love basketball at some point. I believe as recently as 3 years ago. But it’s obvious to me he either doesn’t want to be here or he wants to move on with his life. Hoping some team believes its the former rather than the latter.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry
But compared to the ailments from other sports, I don’t consider those to be serious issues. A traumatic brain injury is serious; Alzheimer’s is serious; suicidal depression due to head trauma is serious; cognitive disabilities due to concussions is serious.
A stiff back or a knee that prevents someone from strenuous exercise is not a serious issue in my opinion. Frankly, it’s part of the job and should be an expected risk, unlike NFL players who can claim they didn’t know the possible effects of concussions prior to playing their sport professionally.
Yao is an example of what I’m talking about- he may not be able to play basketball, but I don’t believe his quality of life is affected by his injuries. Biedrins appears to imply that basketball is a sport with life-threatening risk- I disagree with this. There may be things in life more important than basketball, but playing the sport does not put in jeopardy your ability to do these other things.
A stiff back or a knee that prevents someone from strenuous exercise is not a serious issue in my opinion.
your opinion is wrong. He has probably 70 years or more to live with that body so why should he trash it out for an organization that don’t care about him?
Mirror on the wall
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 14, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Who's saying he has to trash his body?
It’s a risk, but not a certainty. And who are you to say my opinion is wrong? It’s my opinion. Forgive me for scoffing at a guy making $9 mil a year worried about having a bum knee.
But more to your point, he should take that risk BECAUSE HE SIGNED A CONTRACT KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT SUCH AN INHERENT RISK EXISTED AND AGREED TO SIGN IT ANYWAY.
And lol at the organization not caring about him, as though Biedrins actually gives a crap about the Warriors organization. But if he lives to be 95 years old as you suggest, I’m willing to concede the point.
But compared to the ailments from other sports, I don’t consider those to be serious issues. A traumatic brain injury is serious; Alzheimer’s is serious; suicidal depression due to head trauma is serious; cognitive disabilities due to concussions is serious.
A stiff back or a knee that prevents someone from strenuous exercise is not a serious issue in my opinion.
It’s more than that. It hurts whenever you move. You don’t want to walk much. Eventually you’ll need a cane at a young age…it isn’t your job to tell people what’s serious and whats not. Everyone has different reactions to things. I think Biedrins wants to go home and raise his kids, and still be physcially healthy when he’s old.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Not saying it's my job
Just giving my opinion (notice the wording). And pointing out how ridiculous it is to defend Biedrins using such an excuse when he knew the risks when he signed the contract. If the potential for injury was too serious, he should’ve never signed the contract. If his view changed after he signed the contract, he should’ve retired.
I’m not sure where you’re coming from on this. I’ve suffered a sports injury that I’ll likely have to deal with the rest of my life; I would’ve gladly taken $50 mil for it instead of the $0 that I got.
I would’ve gladly taken $50 mil for it instead of the $0 that I got.
so why you dissin dre? All these players do what’s right for themselves…remember “gotta feed my family”? :>) some just have different perspectives on their long term goals. If the Dubs are dumb enough to offer the contract dre would be dumber to not take it.
I think he’d play better if it was actually possible. He played pretty good for a couple of games then got hurt and has yet to get back to early season form. They don’t seem to have the rehab abilities to get him fully healthy and conditioned or the game plans to maximize his skills, they seem to be in love with the 3 point game now instead of the inside game.I think dre is where foyle was in his last season, able to contribute but not incorporated into game plan to maximize his skills which if had been used right might possibly have swung the utah playoffs in our favor..
Mirror on the wall
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 14, 2012 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
I’m “dissin” him because I have little tolerance for people (not just NBA players) who do not honor contracts and take little pride in their work.
This whole “do what’s best for you” and “screw the Warriors if they’re dumb enough to offer the contract” attitude is disgusting to me. It cuts to the heart of exactly what the owners were trying to avoid in the last CBA negotiations. Such a perspective dismisses any sense of personal responsibility and is destroying more than just the NBA.
And if you really think Biedins’s lack of production is from not being utilized correctly, I highly doubt you watch much Warriors basketball. Smart did everything he could to get Beans going last year- he’s just not good.
I’m "dissin" him because I have little tolerance for people (not just NBA players) who do not honor contracts and take little pride in their work.
the contract says he’ll play, the time to figure out how good and how much pride he has is before offering it to him. If you go back and find old threads you’ll see I said they should not sign him but since they did I’m all for him doing what’s best for his health. I still maintain they could use him better if they wanted but apparently they don’t want to find the solution.
Mirror on the wall
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 15, 2012 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
That's fine if you feel that way
I just think it’s a low standard to hold someone to. The Warriors can project, but they have no way of knowing exactly how a player will react to getting a contract; at the very least, I’m sure they expected him to give a crap.
It makes me wonder how you’d feel if all the Warriors players decided to do what’s best for their health and played accordingly. Or what if you were in the hospital for a serious medical condition and your doctor decided treating you would be too stressful and thus damaging to his or her health (extreme example I know).
Point is- we all know the risks associated with the professions we choose. We should be held accountable, or find another profession.
at the very least, I’m sure they expected him to give a crap.
I can’t get too excited about them losing money when they give out huge contracts to grown men to play a playground game.
Mirror on the wall
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 15, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not saying you should get excited about the Warriors losing money. But you should feel bad about supporting a player who agrees to play a playground game to his best abilities and is paid millions to do so, but chooses instead to make lame excuses and cheat us fans out of the product he agreed to provide when he signed his/her contract.
Of course.
But would you take 70 million over 50 million to have some serious health issues?
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
If I signed a contract that included such risks. On the other hand, I would not agree to a deal of that nature and then refuse to take the risks associated with such an agreement.
To be clear, the money is for performance with the understanding that the risk of injury is present. Biedrins is not being paid to get injured. He’s being paid to perform a job that may get him inured. A job that he apparently has no intention of doing.
People, Beans is on the team to play defense, rebounding and block shots
Why we keep focus on his offense?? We don’t focus on Ben Wallace that crazy hair guy’s offense. Beans is still doing the thing he suppose to do. If we want him to score, then do pick and roll and make it happens. This is PG’s job to make it happens.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Feb 14, 2012 7:27 PM PST reply actions
Wouldn't be suprized
if he broke out in the last year of his contract. It really seems like he doesn’t wanna play here. I think he’s too sensitive. All the “constructive criticism” he is getting is making him lose confidence when he should be more open minded and always look for ways to improve himself. He’s satisfied how the ways things are and has no drive because of all that money.
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