Trade that gets us to contenders in the West (yes you read this correctly)

by GreezyFBaby on Feb 14, 2012 5:05 PM PST

Before you completely disregard this post, please take a second and hear me out.

How many times have we all complained on this blog that we are sick and tired of Lacob and Co. not delivering the so called "Big Splash"

Well here's my BIG SPLASH trade scenario that i think is realistic and could potentially not only get us to the playoffs, but also allow us to make some noise in the West.

First move:

curry + beans for rondo

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7hujpdd

explanation;

boston is wants/needs to shake things up and get younger. there have been numerous rumblings of danny ainge shopping Rondo and this trade would work for both squads. boston gets another young shooter that can play the point, while the warriors get the true allstar-worthy PG that can distribute the ball to all of our shooters. oh yea he can play defense too.

Second Move

monta+lee+udoh for big baby + dwight

(trade machine doesnt work for this one b/c Big Baby not eligible to be traded til next month)

explantion:

I believe that its inevitable that dwight will be leaving ORL by the trade deadline this year. That being said, i believe this trade is fair for both sides. ORL gets to proven players in Monta and Lee, as well as a very solid up and coming role player in Udoh. The dubs do this b/c, well we get Dwight and Big Baby, and open up starting 2 guard to Klay which im pretty sure most people would like to see right about now.

rondo/nate/jenkins

klay/rush/rondo

rush/wright/mcquire

big baby/tyler/chris wright

Dwight/bigbaby/Tyler

Conclusion:

I believe that by doing both of these moves (or something close to these moves), we would be able to sneak into the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed and potentially do some damage OR AT LEAST BE ENTERTAINING!!!!

Most of you are probably now thinking this is rediculous. why trade all of our assets? i want to hold onto curry, i love monta, blah blah blah blah. Lets face it, most of us want to mix things up. if not a little, then dramatically. These two moves would certainly do that, as well as get rid of our major contracts at the end of the year allowing us to rebuild around Klay and Rondo (if we want).

A bit far fetched i know, but I believe it makes sense.

Your thoughts??

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Your first move and second move need to be reversed.

This would all depend on getting Dwight, so we would need to get him first and go from there.

by G-State on Feb 14, 2012 5:16 PM PST reply actions

Although a Rondo/Klay backcourt is intriguing.

by G-State on Feb 14, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions

If we had the miracle to get Dwight without sending Curry. Why would we trade him for Rondo who’s a non-shooter and Dwight has said over and over that he wants to be surrounded by shooters.

I don’t even buy the possibility of Monta,Lee&Udoh would get us Dwight but for just for conversation sake, you have Curry and Klay who would be the best shooting backcourt in the league, drop it to Dwight, get double teamed and kick it back out to one of them….swooshhhhh

by Babyface Assassin on Feb 14, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions

because

Rondo is an All Star and is more of the pure PG that we are looking for who can distribute, Like many, im not convinced steph is gonna develop into the player you seem to think he is.

as far as the dwight deal. i feel like Otis Smith is gonna get desperate closer to the deadline. He will lose leverage and may be willing to do the deal. One thing is for sure, he cannot afford to get nothing in return when dwight leaves.

by GreezyFBaby on Feb 14, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions

Either would be fine with Dwight. Rondo can pull in the interior defenses with his driving capabilities, and Curry can keep the double-teams off of Howard. Either player would help Dwight tremendously.

by lilboots on Feb 14, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions

I agree Babyface, I would also rather see Curry/Klay/Dwight. I, too, was engaging just for conversation sake. If we did do Rondo/Dwight, then I am just saying we would need to get Howard first or else we are left without Curry OR Dwight.

by G-State on Feb 15, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions

anybody see Rondo's line last night?

35 pts 5 rebs 6 assts 4 Stls. hes a proven complete player yet you still would rather have curry.

by GreezyFBaby on Feb 16, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions

One can definitely make a strong argument for Rondo over Curry. But it only weakens the argument when you have to resort to using a one-game sample to support it.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 16, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions

steph had a 36 point, 7 reb, 7 ast game just a couple games ago

one game sample sizes don’t prove anything

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by bigkino217 on Feb 16, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions

How many shooters does he need? Klay, Rush, DWright...even Nate can hit the 3

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by SmittytheCutman on Feb 15, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions

we can all dream

but even my Warriors dream team Front Office is laughing at me

It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(

by j-spliff415 on Feb 14, 2012 6:06 PM PST reply actions

Rec.

Gambino is a mastermind...

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 6:29 PM PST reply actions

ORL gets to proven players in Monta and Lee, as well as a very solid up and coming role player in Udoh.

Two proven mediocrities and one “up-and-coming role player” does not equal Dwight Howard. Not even close. That said, Otis Smith is their GM. He has a history of idiotic moves, and he’s on record saying he’s rather get “proven” vets for Dwight than rebuild through draft picks.

As far as “squeaking” into the playoffs … are you serious? You’re pairing the best big man in the conference by far — the best player in the conference by far — with likely the best point guard in the conference (LIn’s in the East now, after all). Throw in three of the best three-point shooters in the league on the wings. The bench looks a little thin, but it’s not that hard to add bench depth.

I’d say that’s the second-best team in the conference, after OKC.

Of course, as Steven Tyler says…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 14, 2012 6:53 PM PST reply actions

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second-best PG in the conference. Forgot about CP3.

Still, I’ll take Rondo+Howard over Paul+Griffin, by a wide margin.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 14, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions

Mainly cause Griffin doesn't play a lick of defense.

Gambino is a mastermind...

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 14, 2012 10:46 PM PST up reply actions

Howard is much better than Griffin on offense, too. And much better at rebounding.

Basically, Dwight makes Ginger look like Jimmy Olsen.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 15, 2012 8:01 AM PST up reply actions

i will say that the rondo trade is more intriguing and more doable.

But if we were to get dwight here, rondo is not the answer. Rondo is a pg, but a assist pg rather a scoring pg. CP3 and Deron are both and way better at it. Why do I think Curry can be that, because he is already a VERY good shooter and a decent passer. Curry is still young and can develop his assist/TO too.

Because we are giving up scoring in monta and curry, it leaves us with klay and rush.

I’m sorry i rather have either monta or curry…but not both if you know what i mean.

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by bimmercirem3 on Feb 14, 2012 7:20 PM PST reply actions

Trade that gets us to be NBA Champions

Monta+Lee+Curry+Wright for Lin

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by doubleteapot on Feb 14, 2012 9:50 PM PST reply actions

there’s no way the knicks take that offer……

by bayareakid on Feb 14, 2012 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs

Right. Trade Monta+Lee+Curry+Wright and Joe Lacob for Lin.

That should get it done. If it doesn’t, throw in a couple first rounders and couple million in cash. We can’t pass up on Lin!

by GSWarrior1818 on Feb 14, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions

baby can stay in new orleans

rondo/klay/rush/lee/howard

looks much better

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 15, 2012 1:48 AM PST reply actions

fail-orlando

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 15, 2012 1:48 AM PST up reply actions

I like the creativity here, but...

No way Orlando makes the move. They want a big name for Dwight and Lee and Monta do not qualify.
However, I am a big Rondo fan, if his head is screwed on tight, and a backcourt with he, Monta and Klay would be pretty sweet. The first trade seems more realistic, maybe we can add Rush to sweeten the pot and get back a draft pick?

by Togna Balogna on Feb 15, 2012 9:07 AM PST reply actions

It's all great

But if it were that easy it would have been done long long ago. The problem is other teams don’t view any of our players as big of trade chips as we do. The only one that carries a lot of weight is Curry and I think his stock took a bit of a step back this year.

Also, Beans is now one of the worst contracts in the league and I don’t think it will be very easy to get another team to take that on.

I also don’t think Orlando would want Ellis’ and Lee’s large contracts. You’ve seen what they are capable of doing and it’s not even producing a .500 team, let alone playoffs.

I think we’re going to be stuck for a few more years until these large contracts turn into expirings. Then I see us being bigger players.

by Lacob2013 on Feb 15, 2012 9:31 AM PST reply actions

The problem is other teams don’t view any of our players as big of trade chips as we do.

“We” being fans, but maybe also the FO?

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by Evanz on Feb 15, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions

I like this move but...

For starters, if we were to get Dwight, we shouldn’t do the first trade at all. Curry is a perfect complement to Dwight – he will have wide open jumpers when Dwight draws double teams inside. Rondo isn’t a good shooter, so he wouldn’t be as good with Dwight. Besides, the Magic would never do Monta+Lee for Dwight when they can get Andrew Bynum, and if they do trade Dwight for Monta and Lee, you can be sure we won’t be getting Big Baby but someone like Hedo Turkoglu instead.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 15, 2012 11:46 AM PST reply actions

They can only get Bynum if LA thinks Dwight will re-sign, which there have been hints that he does not want to follow Shaq and be Kobe’s second man.

by G-State on Feb 15, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions

Reality Check

- Dwight Howard DOES NOT want to play for the Warriors.

- The Warriors cannot afford or compete with other teams to get Howard.

- You would dismantle the the rest of a team to get one superstart. – illogical.

I wish people stop living in a fantasy world about Howard ever becoming a Warrior.- unless it is 15 years from now.

by Roan on Feb 15, 2012 11:54 AM PST reply actions

Let's assume for the moment that the second trade was possible.

Why do we make the first trade?

Isn’t Curry a better fit with Dwight than Rondo? Ask any Celtics fan – Rondo creates problems for you, particularly in the playoffs when teams can meaningfully game-plan against each other, because he can’t hit an outside shot. Teams just play five feet off of him – easy doubling opportunities against Dwight.

Dwight’s FT problems also mean it’s hard to go to him late in a game. And you can’t do that with Rondo, either – Boston goes to Pierce or Allen for late-game shots. Defensively, Rondo is much much better, but … Dwight is such a good help defender that he helps reduce the importance of that difference.

In other words: Dwight+Curry = great fit. Dwight+Rondo = curious fit.

by Ronaldinho on Feb 15, 2012 12:04 PM PST reply actions

pretty much agreed with this

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by bigkino217 on Feb 15, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions

this is a fantastic point, Ronaldinho

As the Magic showed when the went to the finals (and has been historically proven), the best people to put around a dominant big man are shooters. Curry, Wright and either Rush or Klay starting, with the other coming off the bench with Nate Rob? Dominant offense if Dwight’s in. Couple DH12 with Udoh in the front court and we’ve got ourselves one heck of a defensive basketball team.

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by bradyk2 on Feb 17, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions

I would be ok with either Curry or Rondo in that situation. Rondo + Dwight pick and rolls surrounded by shooters is nice, too.

by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions

Rondo + Dwight pick and rolls surrounded by shooters is nice, too.

Does that actually work, though? You just sag off and go around the screen, daring Rondo to shoot from the outside.

I mean, don’t get me wrong, if we had to do a Curry-Rondo swap as the cost of getting Dwight, I’m in. There’s a lot of like about Rondo’s game. But he’s a bit of a head case, really inconsistent, and can be game-planned against effectively.

by Ronaldinho on Feb 17, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions

I think you’re underestimating Rondo’s talent. If it were that easy to stop him, teams would actually be doing a better job of actually stopping him, ya know? That said, Rondo does turn it over a bit much for my liking – probably partially due to his lack of a shot.

by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions

I don't know.

The sense I get from Celtic fans is that they’re not super confident going into their post-Garnet-Pierce-Allen era with Rondo as the main guy.

Now, obviously, if we had Dwight then he’s not the main guy. But I think Boston fan’s ambivalence about him is a cause for concern.

by Ronaldinho on Feb 17, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions

I would say much the same about Curry…

by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions

true

Curry’s skillset may be a little more catered to Dwight’s style, but I’d rather move forward with Rondo as my main guy than Curry. He’s one of the best passers, defenders, and finishers in the league.

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by bradyk2 on Feb 17, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions

I would take either, and would be happy with either, but wouldn’t be comfortable with either as my #1.

by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions

If we got DWIGHT..

and he bolts after the season then the warriors front office can say …Dwight blew up the team not us… everyone knows that this team has to be blown to smithereens…The fans will revolve on Lacob & Co if they traded everyone and started over so its a smokescreen for the inevitable.

by Five Eighty on Feb 15, 2012 4:08 PM PST reply actions

Like Charlie Bell was the smokescreen for getting out of the Biedrins amnesty?

by G-State on Feb 15, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions

Yep ,I was thinking about that blowup smokescreen as well when the FO let that they would give everyone away for DH without an extension.

by Only In Fairfax on Feb 15, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions

if we can get dwight

then maybe in the summer we’ll be a more attractive destination for free agents because we have Dwight and Curry or Rondo, and maybe we could sign a good SF like Batum or Gallinari, and a decent aging power forward like Duncan or Garnett that wants to win another championship
then well have Curry/Rondo, Klay, Batum/Gallinari, /Duncan/Garnett, Dwight

bench: Rush, Dorell, Davis, Tyler, Jenkins

That could be a championship contender

this is a big if tho, and it all depends on whether dwight decides to stay or not

by Lam1234 on Feb 15, 2012 10:27 PM PST reply actions