Some Deadline Moves?

by A's Nation on Feb 20, 2012 5:58 PM PST

Warriors are 11-infinity headed into tonights game versus Lob City and Warrior Nation is still upset with how things are being handled. Earlier today Larry Riley was interviewed by Marcus Thompson II, where Riley stated the "clock was ticking". Warriors have lost nine times when they were within 1 point, tied or ahead late in games. NINE!!!

I wanted to throw out some different trade ideas if the Warriors continue to lose and management does want to "revamp"the roster...

Warriors receive:

Pau Gasol, Brook Lopez

Nets recevive:

David Lee, Monta Ellis, Dorrell Wright, Lakers 1st

Lakers receive:

Deron Williams, Anthony Morrow

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Warriors get a pair of 7 footers. Being able to rebound better and gain size. They take on $18 mil with Gasol and RFA who is going to be paid but the Warriors finally get huge. They decide Curry is the guy and then we never need to hear about Curry/Ellis back court again.

Warriors

Acquire All-star quality post players
Become better rebounding, defense and post scoring
Lose the small back court "issues"

Nets

Gain one of the best scorers in the NBA
Gain durable former all star big man
Gain insurance if DWill was to leave
Nice Foundation for DH to join
Acquire a 1st Round Pick

Lakers

Acquire a top PG in the NBA
Better scoring bench
Great fit for DH and new Big 3

Warriors get Charlie Villanueva for Andris Biedrins

I'd add in a 2nd if that was the breaking point.

Warriors have tried and failed with Biens and they just can't get anything productive. Benefits he can bring to a team are good defense and the ability to rebound.

His defense would be helpful with Monroe who doesn't play much defense. Detroit sends out Villanueva who isn't good, doesn't play, isnt healthy but his contract's 3rd year is a team option (decline) and about $1 million cheaper next year.

Which mean the Warriors could move it as an expiring or let it go saving $9 million in cap space. This trade is strictly for salary and not for production so expecting production from Villanueva isn't the purpose of the trade (someone will say he sucks...)

Warriors get Stephen Jackson for Andris Biedrins

This was someone else's proposal, and it makes some sense. More so if the Warriors were able to do the trade I suggested for Gasol. Jackson isn't going to play much longer in Milwaukee and the Bucks are interested in getting a center because Bogut is hurt. This is a swap for poor players and could help both teams if they both figure it out.

Warriors get Chris Anderson for Dorrell Wright

Warriors find a center who can actually do something besides 0 points 0 boards 0 blocks and 4 fouls, they lose Wright and for that and the fact Anderson still has a few years left the Nuggets may have to add in a 1st (protected) or future 2nd.

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Comments

The first trade is the only one I’d consider. It’s a creative idea, but I’d think the Nets could get more in return if they choose to deal Williams.

Deron, Lopez, and Morrow for Monta, Lee, Wright and a low first rounder is pretty bad, imo.

by ERock386 on Feb 20, 2012 7:38 PM PST reply actions

Agreed. The Nets paid handsomely for DWill, and I can’t see them letting him go (along with their starting center) for less than they paid for him. As long as they have Deron, they are in the Dwight Howard sweepstakes.

Keep in mind, Deron said that he will opt out, not because he wants to leave but because he will make 30 million more (by opting out and re-signing) than he could with an extension.

by Uwe Blog on Feb 21, 2012 7:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions

whats with people thinking brook lopez is good?

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo

by bigkino217 on Feb 20, 2012 7:43 PM PST reply actions

Biedrins has lowered our expectations considerably. It would probably be a better deal if it were a 4-way deal where the Warriors flip Lopez to some team with a stupid GM- maybe get Ryan Anderson or Pekovic instead.

by ERock386 on Feb 20, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions

He alright, I think he can manage a double double most nights. I’d be down with flipping him but he is a center and there isn’t many around.
I think the nets get a fair return in comparison that they will only have Morrow and Lopez next year

by A's Nation on Feb 20, 2012 8:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions

I think he can manage a double double most nights.

he is one of the worst rebounding 7 footers i have ever seen

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo

by bigkino217 on Feb 20, 2012 10:11 PM PST up reply actions

Maybe he is but he has a career average of 7.5.

by A's Nation on Feb 21, 2012 12:07 AM PST via mobile up reply actions

do you realize how horrible that is for a 7 footer? small forwards usually put up those numbers

by AJC3317 on Feb 21, 2012 1:43 AM PST up reply actions

Among all qualifying NBA big men (centers and power forwards), Lopez was #68 out 71 last season in terms of rebounding. He’s atrocious in that respect. He’s also a poor defender and not a particularly efficient scorer. The trifecta of suck.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 21, 2012 7:12 AM PST up reply actions

He likes comic books though

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by tafkasam on Feb 21, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions

Not an efficient scorer?

Nice knowledge man

by netsfanrasmus on Feb 26, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions

the lakers would never deal gasol to a division rival

It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(

by j-spliff415 on Feb 20, 2012 10:15 PM PST reply actions

It's not much of a rivalry when the Lakers have dominated the Warriors for years now.

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by notEdreese on Feb 21, 2012 12:17 AM PST up reply actions

there is zero way that the lakers would deal gasol to a team where they would have to play him more than not

and also makes it tougher for them to be successful

if he gets traded, it’s out of the division

It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(

by j-spliff415 on Feb 21, 2012 7:39 AM PST up reply actions

Nets would never give up an all star like deron williams for our middling 3-4th options

and DH has said he wants to go that team the way it’s built and doesn’t want to go to the warriors… So why would giving them warriors players and taking out the one guy who has any leverage on free agency make them more likely? This might happen if an only if Lakers are going to get howard in which case they need to unload gasol and bynum and Nets want something for williams before he walks.

by Nith on Feb 20, 2012 10:18 PM PST reply actions

DH wants to go to a specific market not the team. If he was about winning a championship he would go to a team that is solid an needs a center not a team that has only rotation players and a great (free agent to be) point guard. Obviously if they are going for DH then Lopez isnt staying.

Lopez is a top center, a terrible rebounder. It seems like he is mixed, if he isn’t that good then they shouldn’t want a kings ransom for him. If he is that good then I can understand the nets thinking this is ridiculous. But to
Be honest I don’t think they are that concerned and he might not be matched by them this off season.

If the lakers can land Dwill to go with Kobe and the possibility of DH I doubt they would care much if the Warriors of all teams were the ones to get.

If DH wanted a ring he would find his way to the Thunder, not anywhere near the Nets.

by A's Nation on Feb 21, 2012 12:00 AM PST via mobile up reply actions

Lopez is a top center

Lopez is legitimately bad. The basketball equivalent of bobby crospy

by tafkasam on Feb 21, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions

Okay you sound like J-Ridah, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you haven't seen many posts lately.

1. He put on his list the Lakers, the Mavericks, and the Nets… 2 of those 3 teams aren’t what you call desirable markets right now. The Nets have the most cap flexibility to sign more players, the lakers would need to trade away Gasol or Bynum to get Howard, and Dallas needs to get rid of Shawn Marion for salaries to work out. Deron Williams is only going to leave if Howard decides not to come… I highly doubt he gives up completely because most teams don’t have the space besides the Nets to sign two players to outright max contracts.

2. Lopez is not a top center. Not even close.

3. Lakers would have to give up something for Deron Williams. No way the Nets let him walk for nothing and definitely not without pitching to Howard. If they do give him up, it’s not going to be for Lee, Monta, Wright, and a late first round pick. You don’t trade away a superstart for middling players that will screw your team over in the future.

4. I never talked about the issue of trading within the division. Please read carefully.

5. This argument has been argued to death. The Thunder DO NOT HAVE CAP SPACE. I repeat they DO NOT HAVE CAP SPACE. They also aren’t willing to split with their core of players and I doubt they could open up enough space for Howard without gutting the team.

6. The Nets wouldn’t do this… I’m going to address each of your points 1 by one.

Gain one of the best scorers in the NBA – Monta is not a good scorer. Scorer must be efficient when scoring. Monta’s TS% is below average. He’s a worse scorer than Curry statistically.

Gain durable former all star big man – This means nothing. Mutumbo was a formal all star big but I’m pretty sure we don’t want him right now. So the only benefit is his durability… Great… a 20 10 guy with no defense. No one wants his contract either.

Gain insurance if DWill was to leave – they could get way more than this. See above.

Nice Foundation for DH to join – I thought you said the Lakers were going to get DH? And how does this make it a good foundation? You traded an all star for 3 mediocre players who can’t play defense.

Acquire a 1st Round Pick – Late first rounder so very low value.

by Nith on Feb 21, 2012 11:21 PM PST up reply actions

My bad on the lopez is good comment to you, someone above your post( or around it) said he was a good player and some still are saying he is one of the above average centers and then other people are saying how mediocre he is and some even will say he is bad and a terrible rebounder.

Hell, I just wanted to have something different to discuss besides selling our souls for DH for him to walk away…and I actually dislike both Lopez twins…have since college…but i dont understand how some people can say no way the Nets trade lopez and then some say why does anyone want Lopez he is terrible…

Now lets see what the Nets could do…
lets say DH just declares Free agency and isnt moved by Orlando…
The nets wont offer or match Lopez a contract because they will need as much money to resign Dwill and try and lure DH…

If someone offers Lopez a contract and the Nets don’t match…DH does go to one of the other teams you mentioned…say Houston or Dallas and then DWill goes with him cause A) he gets to go home and B) he gets to play with DH..

The Nets are left with absolutely nothing.

Why wouldnt the Lakers trade Gasol if it meant getting DWILL? I just cant imagine they would say under that specific circumstance.

“We have the worst combination of PG’s in the league and it is continually hurting us, we have a chance to get one of the best PG’s in the world but we really don’t wanna play a 31 year old Gasol making over $18 million and the Warriors the 6 times we might see them a year”

by A's Nation on Feb 22, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions

So you're asking the Nets to give up a Top-5 PG and and a Top-15 C...

for 3/5 of the starters from a 12th place team?

where's the... WHERE'S THE 24-SECOND VIOLATION!?!- Bob Fitzgerald

Monta Ellis.

by dandubz on Feb 20, 2012 10:22 PM PST reply actions

This is twisted in a way to look ridiculous. Warriors in the east are a #9 seed, Warriors against the east coast team have a good record. And Looez being a top 15 center means he is average to above average, not elite. Someone said he is a terrible rebounder above.

Just trying to think of different trades or ideas that arnt all lee for Howard or Ellis for Granger

by A's Nation on Feb 21, 2012 12:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions

It makes absolutely no sense

for the Nets to do this. None whatsoever.

where's the... WHERE'S THE 24-SECOND VIOLATION!?!- Bob Fitzgerald

Monta Ellis.

by dandubz on Feb 21, 2012 3:08 AM PST up reply actions

lopez would never succeed in a defensive system

like jacksons

we should make a run for hibbert while the window is still open

It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(

by j-spliff415 on Feb 21, 2012 7:41 AM PST up reply actions

jackson runs a defensive system?

that’s news to me

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo

by bigkino217 on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions

We're not in the East.

Lopez is not a top 15 center… And to imply such does mean he’s above average. There are not 30 centers in the league… There are at least 60 and definitely more… I would not rank him in the top 25 percentile.

by Nith on Feb 21, 2012 11:23 PM PST up reply actions

So..

what would be an adequate trade for someone who is

not a top 15 center

and

not rank(ed) in the top 25 percentile.

by A's Nation on Feb 22, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions

I would do Beans for Lopez

but bottom line is that, much like the Dubs and Monta, Lopez is vastly over-valued by the Nyets, leading me to think that he will never get traded

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions

that doesn’t work salary-wise and Lopez makes a little more than $3M…so

by A's Nation on Feb 22, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions

that's fine with me

I was just jumping in with my thoughts on what would be adequate…I really do not want Lopez

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 24, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions

The Biedrins/Villanueva trade works for me. I’d trade Beans for any shorter contract.

by Uwe Blog on Feb 21, 2012 8:05 AM PST via mobile reply actions

I don't like any of these

1.) Why would the Nyets give up Dwill, Lopez, and AmMo for Pau?

2.) meh, this only saves us one million next season, no big deal (btw, if I had to pick one, I’d do this one).

3.) Stephen Jackson is not allowed back on the Warriors. He went out of here like a jerk, doesn’t fill a position of need, and he’s too expensive.

4.) The Birdman is pretty much a slightly better version of Amundsen…I guess I’d take him, but DWright is on a good contract, no need to toss him out just yet

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 21, 2012 11:08 AM PST reply actions

2.) meh, this only saves us one million next season, no big deal (btw, if I had to pick one, I’d do this one).

$1 million for the 2012/13 season and $9 Million for the 2013/2014 (Team option would never be picked up vs Biedrins who has a player option and will pick it up)

4.) The Birdman is pretty much a slightly better version of Amundsen…I guess I’d take him, but DWright is on a good contract, no need to toss him out just yet

Yup. We would have to receive a 1st round pick most likely to take on the contract and lose Wright even tho he is similar to Rush in a lot of ways.

by A's Nation on Feb 21, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions

Is it viable... Ask yourself that. That's the whole reason why trades like this sometimes get ridiculous.

Does it help all teams? No.

by Nith on Feb 21, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions

I still don't get why everyone wants to ship out David Lee..

On a night in, night out basis the dude has been our single saving grace this season. Sure Monta can put up 48, but Lee is a double-double machine. More so as of late, a 20-10 machine. If we get a legit center, we can play Lee and Udoh at PF, with Udoh sliding to C if our actual center needs a blow. It doesn’t make sense to trade Lee’s productivity every game for some guy like Lopez who will not put up the same type of numbers.

by freun989 on Feb 21, 2012 1:44 PM PST reply actions

i like lee

but anything he gives you on the offensive end he promptly returns on the defensive end. and he has an ugly contract

by AJC3317 on Feb 21, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions

Gasol?

It would probably take Monte and Biedrens. Gasol is 31… I think it improves the Warriors for the next 2-3 seasons. Gives Thompson and Rush more PT, pushes Curry front and center. With Gasol, Lee, and Udoh sharing the center and PF minutes much better offensively and defensively. Lakers will trade Gasol to where ever they get the piece they need to go deep in the playoffs. And Monte can get them over the offensive funk they’re in. Warriors need to dump Biedrens anyway…

by petillius7 on Feb 22, 2012 8:37 AM PST reply actions

monta* biedrins*

"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah

Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo

by bigkino217 on Feb 22, 2012 8:42 AM PST up reply actions

It would probably take Monte and Biedrens.

Why would the lakers want to trade Gasol for Montay and Dre? Gasol and Bynum is better than Bynum and Montay. They could just sign a point guard and keep both bigs and come out better.

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions