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Warriors recap #29: GSW 104 - LAC 97. Ekpe's undefeated as a starter!

Ekpe Udoh, taking advantage of opportunity.

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Sick days: For those of us who are so blessed with a) a job and b) an employer who provides sick days, they're golden. For those times when the workday is just too much to bear but you haven't bothered to schedule a vacation, when the prospects of spending 8+ hours dealing with the pointy haired boss are overwhelming, they're a life-saver, a chance to break from a routine long enough to regain some needed balance.

Occasionally, you can use them when you're actually sick.

For those of us who have grown sick and tired of seeing Andris Biedrins provide a whole lot of nothing (and alas even I now just wonder who will offer us that broken toaster so we can be rid of the dead weight), his sick day provided exactly that break. Well, perhaps not for him, as apparently his illness is real I don't actually wish ill health on him, but for the rest of us, it seemed to bring some new health to the team. We were rewarded with Ekpe Udoh's first start and were, in return, rewarded with a win against a visiting Clippers team that is no longer the joke that they've been for, well, for about as long as our Warriors have been a joke.

Star-divide

Quickly, so as not to short change those who were responsible for victory:
  • Monta scored big (not terribly surprising) and efficiently (far more of a surprise).
  • Lee provided offense and enough rebounding to prevent the team from being completely obliterated on the glass (instead, we were only totally outclassed).
  • Curry didn't shoot often but made the most of his attempts.
  • And Udoh continued to have a knack for the team just playing so much better when he's in the game than when he's sitting.

On this last point, while the improved results when Udoh is in the game aren't an anomaly, things were still rather different from his normal outing. Where he normally chooses to confound those who look at his individual numbers and see something between "not impressive" and "how can someone that tall be so inept on the glass?", Udoh's line looked like a real basketball player. He was certainly much more of an offensive threat than he's been most nights (an efficient 19 from your center is more than most teams get , and much more than Biedrins. His 19 points are about a third of what Andris has scored this year and when Udoh split his pair of freethrows in the 3rd quarter, he matched Andris's made FT total for the season.

And inasmuch as 19 points on 14 shots while staying in the game for 38 minutes strikes most as more impressive than a bucket or two in a bit more than a quarter and a half while the team falls behind, it's going to be tougher to argue with keeping Udoh out of the starting lineup, even when sick leave runs dry for the former incumbent C.

Also of note: Though Blake Griffin and Chris Paul would normally warrant mention in a recap of a game against LAC, spending any more time thinking about the Clippers is certain to lead me to think about DeAndre Jordan, which reminds me that signed him to an offer sheet, which reminds me that we cut Jeremy Lin, in part to have enough cap space to make that offer. And that's not something I want to do right now, not when there's a win to relish instead.

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awesome effort on the offensive end

Now he’s gotta put up these numbers in Phoenix…
He assignment will be marginally easier than tonight

by maryjane on Feb 21, 2012 12:26 AM PST reply actions  

+1

I am only being slightly facetious when I say that Mark Jackson deserves the Warrior Wonder (he actually doesn’t, of course. Players win games). Three things he did that I feel keyed this victory:

1. Calling a 20 second timeout in the first quarter when Steph and Monta both failed to get back in transition and allowed Randy Foye an easy layup off a made basket. This has been a theme all year, but I really like that he’s actually harping on it. Our old coaches used to let this slide all the time.

2. Not going with Tyler. With Biedrins out, it would have been tempting for a lot of coaches to throw the kid into the fire. Against the likes of Griffin, Jordan, and KMART (wow does he look like he’s fallen off, btw), Tyler would have had his lunch money taken and his ball kicked onto the roof. While the kid might eventually be OK, he clearly isn’t ready. Going with McGuire as the smallball 4 was a better choice.

3. Speaking of McGuire, Jackson’s decision to put him against CP3 was visionary. I also liked the quick sub of Robinson for Dom to get a better FT shooter on the floor at the very end. Little things like this are the difference between winning and losing in the NBA.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Feb 21, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

He didn’t put McGuire on cp3, he was put in to guard griffin but ended up switching onto cp3

by JustSomeName on Feb 21, 2012 8:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You sure about that? It seems to me that Dom has ended up guarding the other team’s best player at the end of the game several times this year, and it usually has been immediately after he was inserted into the game.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Feb 21, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Positive, he came in for Udoh after he banged knees with Foye, coming in to guard Blake Griffin. Clippers inbounded with Monta guarding CP3, did a high pick and roll with Griffin, and got switched up on McGuire, while Monta switched onto Griffin

by JustSomeName on Feb 21, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

true, but...

I think Jackson instructed them to switch on the pick and roll. When Udoh and Lee were drawn up top by a screener, they usually helped Steph, monta, or whoever get through the screen. With McGuire, they were happy to switch, leaving Dom to guard CP3. good call.

"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore

by bradyk2 on Feb 21, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

loved this move by MFJ
Calling a 20 second timeout in the first quarter when Steph and Monta both failed to get back in transition

It was Monta specifically, and he sat for a bit too. After he came back in, I definitely saw him hustling back (and being aware). Good coaching!

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 21, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Props to Ekpe Udoh for an excellent game!!!

I could not believe that Ws were getting production at the C position. Andris Biedrins is worthless for his contract and should be moved to the bench. However, Mark Jackson has said that Udoh is temporary at C. What? He said that Udoh will not be able to absorb the punishment night-in and night-out of the bigger Cs in the league. I have to admit I was thinking the same thing afterlast night’s game. The Ws are supposed to be looking in the D-League for a C. I would think Jackson could start Udoh like AB in the 1Q and 3Q. He could also use him as backup PF. He deserves at least 25 mins per game and over 30 mins per game if he can contribute like tonight. Toss in Biedrins to bang against the bigger Cs. I wonder if David Lee can play SF at times and play a front line of Lee-Biedrins-Udoh?

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Feb 21, 2012 6:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Glad I've been on the Udoh bandwagon since his first game last season

whether he stuffs the stat sheet or not, his impact on the game is irrefutable

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.

by Evanz on Feb 21, 2012 3:07 AM PST reply actions  

The real question is...

Is his impact great because he’s good? or because our center production is so below par (read 4 v. 5 bball) that having an average player makes us better.

Logic to point #2 would be your lacob/riley group think of ‘all we need is a good defensive center’

by tafkasam on Feb 21, 2012 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

eventually Udoh will get the calls, too

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.

by Evanz on Feb 21, 2012 3:08 AM PST reply actions  

anyone remember when I wrote this last March after his first start?
Now, it’s perfectly reasonable to argue that it’s small sample size, yada, yada. And it’s reasonable to argue that until now Udoh has played bench minutes (although with mostly a terrible bench). (But if you’re going to make this argument, then you must apply it to his rebounding stats, too, right?) The bottom line is that, if I’m the coach, I look at what the team does when a certain unit is playing. What I want to do is put the best-performing unit on the floor. Box score stats don’t really show Udoh’s effect on the offense or defense, but his RAPM (+1.7) also suggest a very beneficial effect. EZPM confirms that his rebounding is not good (around -3.0), but also shows his counterpart defense (~ +3) is very, very good. Taken all together, the data (and our eyes!) suggest that the positive effects of Udoh’s defense and overall game vastly outweigh his biggest weakness (rebounding). Until the data show me otherwise, I say, welcome Mr. Udoh. Glad to have you on board (no pun intended). Keep doing what you do, Udoh, and don’t listen to the nay-sayers.

http://thecity2.com/2011/03/03/welcome-mr-udoh/

The data still tell me Udoh is good!

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.

by Evanz on Feb 21, 2012 3:12 AM PST reply actions  

Totally agree.

This is one of the reasons why I had a hunch the Clips could be had if we played an OK game. I was hopping the start would bring a great response and performance from him, especially considering what he has been doing the last couple of weeks. Billups going down has hurt the Clips; they are still trying to work it out, and, are not the team they were with him in the lineup. Suddenly, we got over 40 points and 21 RBS from just two of our front players, and established an inside threat and presence. Mc added a bit more. Kinda changes the game for us. Even with Wright having another bad night, and Steph just an OK night (for his ability), Monta’s big game, both, offensively, and, defensively, was enough to get us over the hump.

by dinohealth on Feb 21, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

How much is Ekpe paying you?

And how can I get a similar pay out? I’m having trouble getting a bank lon, could use more cash…

by tafkasam on Feb 21, 2012 7:28 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/

by Brownie13 on Feb 21, 2012 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow. Surprising offense from our defensive super star, Ekpe Udoh.

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Feb 21, 2012 3:16 AM PST reply actions  

Not all that surprising for a lot of people that have been calling for him to start

since last year! There were ample indicators, especially the last few weeks, offensively, that he should have had that chance. Most peole were basing their argument on his demonstrated defensive ability. However, he has shown flashes (in his limited backup role) of offensive capabiltiy as well. Just think, were it not for a flu bug, we may never have had a chance to see what he can do. If he repeats, you can begin to see the magnitude of that flu accident! I wish Acie Law had an extended flu bout last year, that we may have seen what Lin was all about!

by dinohealth on Feb 21, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

We saw enough of Lin to know what he was all about, last year. He was all about turning the ball over and looking helpless on D (which he still does). He did not look anything remotely like the player he does now, which is why we weren’t the only team to pass on him. Knicks got incredibly lucky.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Feb 21, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

whaaaat?!?!
looking helpless on D

one of the things I liked best about Lin was his D

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 21, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

We saw enough of Lin to know what he was all about, last year.

and he still looked bad in the kings/knicks pre season game this year.

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 21, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

fallacy because you

assume that judgement hasn’t been clouded all along. Remember, these were the same guys insisting that there was no reason to give him a shot in the first place.

He's a one-legged skateboarding card sharp who knows the secret of the alien invasion. She's a transdimensional belly-dancing cab driver from beyond the grave. They fight crime!

by Rasputin10 on Feb 22, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

the fallacy

is in thinking judgement has anything to do with it.

He's a one-legged skateboarding card sharp who knows the secret of the alien invasion. She's a transdimensional belly-dancing cab driver from beyond the grave. They fight crime!

by Rasputin10 on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Not all that surprising? He’s been shooting 40% all year and then suddenly he scores 19 efficiently. That wasn’t surprising?

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

With how long Beans has been struggling it's amazing it took so long to start somebody else.

Giving a young draft pick a chance & some minutes. Even if it didn’t work out well this game, I’d want Udoh to start a couple more games. Forget about converting Beans into something useful, just accept that he’s dead weight until the last year of his contract.

by srsrs on Feb 21, 2012 5:50 AM PST reply actions  

beans could have been playing as a sample size

for other teams to scout

It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(

by j-spliff415 on Feb 21, 2012 6:33 AM PST up reply actions  

well that worked well

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.

by Evanz on Feb 21, 2012 7:11 AM PST up reply actions  

he's not leaving this team

what doesnt kill us makes us stronger….. except when it comes to andris biedrins

It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(

by j-spliff415 on Feb 21, 2012 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Is Biedrins a Warriors for life?!?

by Uwe Blog on Feb 21, 2012 7:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

and heavy metal poisoning

that just causes you to slowly sicken

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 21, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed, though I admit to an occasional weakness for AC/DC and Guns n Roses…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 21, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve been pleasantly surprised with Udoh’s performance as a pro. He’s one of my favorite Warriors now, and I’m eager to see how his career develops. He’s kind of like the big man version of Bruce Bowen, where his own stats don’t mean much, but his +/- always seems to be +.

There were a few guys I wanted us to draft more than Udoh, and I don’t know if my mind has changed about that or not, but I really appreciate a guy who affects the game so much without the ball.

I hope Klay gives us the same pleasant surprise!

by Uwe Blog on Feb 21, 2012 7:44 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Shout out to Monta

Not just for the efficient 32 points and 5 boards but also for playing solid D on CP3 for much of the second half (with some invaluable help from defensive big guns McGuire and Udoh). I actually thought Steph did a pretty solid job on Paul as well. Without parsing the exact play-by-play data, it seemed as if Paul scored roughly 24 of his 24 points on Nate Robinson, and all in a span of about 3 minutes of the second quarter. The consistent thwarting of Paul down the stretch was the key to victory last night, imho.

A lot has been made of the Clippers’ fearsome glut of young talent, but without the transcendant Paul I suspect they’re barely a mediocre team. I think the DJ / Blake combo is still more physically impressive than it is great. Of course they’re both only 23, and will almost certainly improve some. But realistically … how high are their ceilings? I assume most people rate Griffin’s ceiling (and floor) a lot higher than DJ’s, but do either of them ever come anywhere close to Dwight Howard? Would anyone here take Griffin over Andrew Bynum? How ’bout Griffin v. Anthony Davis?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 21, 2012 7:46 AM PST reply actions  

If Griffin keeps adding post moves like the little shimmy hook he showed last night, he is going to be pretty unstoppable. Of course, Udoh has been flashing those moves all season, and they came to the fore last night. And Udoh will probably never cost half of what Griffin eventually will.

How about that take Monta had right at the end, with that silky smooth floater finish? Basketball as art!

Ekpe Udoh for President!

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Feb 21, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

And Udoh will probably never cost half of what Griffin eventually will.

That’s a really good point. No matter how world-beating Udoh looks by the various forms of plus-minus — Evanz’ latest ranking has him the second-best player in the NBA, lol — as long as he’s averaging 8-10 points and 6-8 rebounds per game on <.450 fg% (about where his counting numbers are likely to settle, given starter’s minutes), he’s going to command far less $$$ on the open market than an empty 20-10-ish scrub like Al Jefferson or Brook Lopez (or, you know, David Lee).

Of course, the flip side of that is he’s also likely to command a lot less the trade market than a guy who performs really well by your grandmother’s metrics (Greg Monroe, e.g.) But if you can lock down a young big man with Udoh’s great attitude and consistently, overwhelmingly positive impact on the game for a $5-6M a year, that’s a piece you probably don’t want to trade. If the chasm between the “ESPN numbers” and the plus-minus results continues, Udoh could end up the ultimate moneyball player.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 21, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Indeed.

David Lee isn’t a scrub, though, he’s just overpaid (more accurately, he is GOING to be overpaid at the end of his contract). Udoh, Lee, and a genuine 7 footer with a taste for inhaling rebounds is a pretty solid big man rotation at this point.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Feb 21, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

David Lee isn’t a scrub, though, he’s just overpaid

Agreed. Specifically, overpaid by “your grandmother’s metrics” (PPG and RPG). But he has the added benefits of being a pretty efficient scorer and good passer, and his skills (and weaknesses) do seem to complement Udoh’s very well.

As far as that mythic third big … I’ll repeat the one I threw out in the game thread (originally suggested, IIRC, by GSoMer Raiiny): what about Emeka Okafor, using Mississippi hero Monta Ellis to fetch him?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 21, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I would LOVE to do that trade, but would the Hornets agree if they already have Eric Gordon as their SG for the foreseeable future? They also have Kamen coming off the books this offseason so they’ll be without both Centers if they were to do this trade.

by JustSomeName on Feb 21, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, thinking aloud, Gordon’s a RFA and may not be that interested in being part of a rebuilding project. Or he might be more tempted to stick around as part of backcourt tandem with Monta. That could actually be a pretty dynamic duo.

As far as the lack of a C … Okafor’s 29, so they may consider him too old to be part of the rebuild. Maybe they re-sign Kaman on the cheap and hope to grab their future C (Davis or Drummond, if they’re luck) in the draft.

Mostly I’m banking on the idea that the NBA (i.e. the Hornets’ owners) might like the idea of adding Monta’s style, local flavor, and ESPN-friendly game to a sad-sack franchise. Plus he’s three years younger and $2-3M a year cheaper…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 21, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see any situation where the Hornets WONT match an offer sheet given to Gordon considering they just gave up their superstar to get him. Regardless, I would love to find a way to get Okafor on this team

by JustSomeName on Feb 21, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see any situation where the Hornets WONT match an offer sheet given to Gordon considering they just gave up their superstar to get him

Could be. In that case, they let Marco expire, let Jack expire next year, and move forward with a dynamic, well-balanced young guard rotation of Monta-Gordon-Vasquez. They’d be a Davis, Drummond, Barnes or Robinson away from being a pretty promising young team…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Does a Monta for Okafor swap make us better than the 8 seed? I am not convinced. It certainly makes us less entertaining. Okafor is an OK player (hehe) and a massive upgrade for us at the five, but we would have to suddenly become a defensively oriented team after this trade, as our scoring would probably suffer. Can you be a defensive team with Curry and Lee in your starting 5?

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Feb 21, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

one idea that came to mind watching the game: the Clippers look like a team built to contend for a championship; Dubs roster looks like one built to contend for the 8th seed

We have some nice players, but no jaw-dropping talent. And no matter what marginal moves we make, barring some drastic acquisition of an elite player, it doesn’t seem to me like the ceiling for this team is really all that high

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 21, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

one idea that came to mind watching the game:

was that the Clips might be trying to help us lose our draft pick? They seemed to avoid winning at all costs when crunch time came. They just jacked up perimeter shots and didn’t even act like they cared when time was running out. Perhaps they figured that they didn’t want us to add a better player offseason so a loss might be a win for them?

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 21, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Despite your Skepticism, I think they looked out of sorts at the end of the game because the Warriors made them that way. CP3 is one of the most competitive players in the league, he doesn’t ever try to do anything but destroy the other team.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Feb 21, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Mostly I’m banking on the idea that the NBA (i.e. the Hornets’ owners) might like the idea of adding Monta’s style, local flavor, and ESPN-friendly game to a sad-sack franchise.

I think if they were interested in Montay stern woulda found a way to get him into the allstar game to bolster his case.

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 21, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

o matter how world-beating Udoh looks by the various forms of plus-minus — Evanz’ latest ranking has him the second-best player in the NBA, lol

Right, even I don’t believe that. Lately, the way that I look at +/- is to separate it into starters and subs. Almost all the highly rated “outliers” that people point out are subs, not starters. So when you’re looking at the lists, just separate it out mentally into those two groups, and make comparisons within groups.

All that is to say, that Udoh may not be the 2nd best player in the NBA right now. But he might be the 1st best bench player (I know, I know, James Harden, but still).

Read my Advanced Stats Primer

J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.

(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.

by Evanz on Feb 21, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Anyway you slice it

The numbers suggest Udoh deserves more court time. At a certain point, when his +/- regresses, thats when we’ll have a good read of his optimal mpg.

you know, kinda like how Monta/Lee’s should be cut by 6-8

by tafkasam on Feb 21, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, a great point guard does make a heck of a lot of difference.

The Clips are not what they were with Billups in the lineup. Glad we seized the moment and kicked their butts. Glader that due to a flu accident we had the opportunity to try something new that worked! Doctor recommends plenty of sick days off for Biedrins while he is fighting the flu bug….

by dinohealth on Feb 21, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Shout out to Monta. Not just for the efficient 32 points and 5 boards but also for playing solid D on CP3 for much of the second half (with some invaluable help from defensive big guns McGuire and Udoh). I actually thought Steph did a pretty solid job on Paul as well. Without parsing the exact play-by-play data, it seemed as if Paul scored roughly 24 of his 24 points on Nate Robinson, and all in a span of about 3 minutes of the second quarter. The consistent thwarting of Paul down the stretch was the key to victory last night, imho.

He’s quietly been having a very good month. I’ve noticed what I thought was consistently better defense, and he’s making shots, whether it be 2s, 3s, or FTs. Turnovers are down, and I feel like he’s getting more of his offense in the flow of the game, rather than going iso. We’ve noticed Steph picking up more assists recently, and he’s playing better overall as well. It seems like they’re getting closer and closer to establishing an actual identity together, with Curry handling the ball more and more. Now we just need more consistency from the two of them.

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by Brownie13 on Feb 21, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

And if it turns into something they can sustain, a lot of credit has to go to Mark Jackson. He’s come under some legitimate fire sometimes on this board, but if he actually helps those two guys figure out how to synch up their games, that’s a major, major accomplishment.

by Ronaldinho on Feb 21, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Udoh must start

If this is really a no excuses bball team then part of that included not making excuses for trying to rationalize starting AB over someone who got the dubs going right out of the gate. If they start AB, that is making an excuse and a total slap to Udoh.

For me, tmrw’s game will be if MJ walks his talk. No excuses and I am a flow coach will either come to fruition or not.

Let’s avoid another Lin fiasco and have someone rotting on the bench that is good. This would be a serious tragedy and I might not forgive them if they don’t at least try.

I can’t help but wonder if Udoh had started this whole time what this team would look like now. Sometimes, it takes looking what is already starring right in front of you to realize you have a good thing already.

by picknpop on Feb 21, 2012 8:43 AM PST reply actions  

Biedrins is terrible.

Starting Udoh over AB was a blessing last night.

Hoping AB gets Mono and is out the rest of the year… lol

by SnakeEyez925 on Feb 21, 2012 8:51 AM PST reply actions  

Oh yea! He completely roofed him on that second one. I haven’t seen anyone do that to BG yet.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Feb 21, 2012 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

roofed him

Hah, hadn’t heard that term. Perfect description. On the first bad call I thought he got a fair amount of body, but that second one was a thing of awesome beauty — no way on earth that should ever be called a foul. For once, Bob Fitzgerald’s second-grade whining was totally justified there (though I still want to slap him 98% of the time for being such a whiny homer).

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 21, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I forget which

but either Bob or Jim (I’m thinking Fitz) used “roofed” last nite when David Lee got shut down on back to back attempts by Deandre.

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by Brownie13 on Feb 21, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I love Bob Fitz's whining.

Call out those corrupt refs, dish out their names, phone numbers and addresses lol. Most of the time I think the refs have money on the games they are reffing and they always bet against the Warriors. Nice to see Bob call it out, and Jim for that matter. Just like the SJ Sharks announcers, love em for calling the corrupt calls. ESPN announcers just glance over it like it didnt happen when clearly it was messed up.

by GSt8 on Feb 21, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I actually heard Barnett laugh at him last night

after some warranted call, Fitz starts to foam at the mouth…no words from Jim’s mic, just a gentle “haha”

"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 21, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Udoh never gets any love from the refs…

by RuudUnit on Feb 21, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

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by RuudUnit on Feb 21, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

mmm, so pretty

just right click on the image, and “copy image url”
click the picture icon here, paste…enjoy

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 21, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it was somewhere in the mid to late 3rd quarter.

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by Tay on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Jae, reading your lead-in to this post on employment,

I thought you were admirably describing how Udoh must have felt before this game! :-) How long does the flu last? We need some Linesque time to find out if this Udesque performance is for real. Of course he did it against a very strong front court….

by dinohealth on Feb 21, 2012 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

He's really not doing that bad.

I know we’re not happy with him, because it seems he’s regressed from what he did last season, and he’s not shooting as efficiently as Rush, but he is still rebounding better while picking up more assists with less turnovers.

At some point, I’d expect Rush to come back to Earth from his amazing streak of 3-point shooting, and for Wright to improve his percentage, which is a bit lower than it’s the past 2 seasons. If his shots start falling again, I expect everything to go a bit more smoothly for him.

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by Brownie13 on Feb 21, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, their minutes are fairly close

I’m not too worried about our wings, I’ll take any combo of Rush, Wright, with a little dash of Klay

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 21, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we should trade Rush while his value is high

He’s also a under team control because he’s a RFA, which raises his trade value.

BTW I thought that we should have traded Wright while his trade value was high last year, too.

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by doubleteapot on Feb 21, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

i think most GM's are cautious of players having career seasons

and probably just throw lowball offers at you.

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by bigkino217 on Feb 21, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess

Still, this is the same league that gave Hedo Turkoglu a ridiculously big contract after he had a career season… I’m sure that there are GMs out there which we could rob.

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by doubleteapot on Feb 21, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

He made his mark in the playoffs, though.

That’s a little different. Kind of like Ariza getting a huge contract for just standing at the arc and knocking down some open 3s for a month when he was a Laker.

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by Brownie13 on Feb 21, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't bug me

Wrights play has picked up.

Beyond that, if he doesn’t have it going well, Jackson isn’t afraid to cut his minutes and let Rush/klay etc. close out halfs/games. I’d be more worried if he got the standard 34-36 regardless of play.

by tafkasam on Feb 21, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

One thing about Dorell

is that even though he’s kind of timid about putting the ball on the floor and driving to the hoop, he’s actually a decent amount better handling the ball than Rush. I think some of that is lost when he spends a lot of his minutes on the court with our starting unit. As far as match-ups, Rush might be a better fit because of his better defense and spot-up shooting. Coming off the bench, Dorell would get easier looks and more opportunities to handle the ball.

I’m really not sure who I’d want starting or even who the better player is at this point, but I think, just as far as the match-ups go, we might benefit from swapping the two. I’d definitely at least take a look at it. We don’t get Rush on the court with both Monta and Steph much, and similarly we don’t get to see Dorell with the bench unit. If I was Jackson, I might start playing with that a little bit during the game, gauging the success without actually having to “demote” Dorell to the bench. If it worked out, then you could try to change the starting lineup.

Even if Dorell was the better player, you could still give him the minutes he’s getting now, and slot him in at the end of games to get your best players on the court.

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by Brownie13 on Feb 21, 2012 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't particularly think Dorell is good putting ball on the floor

He can handle in transition, but he’s somewhat slow off the dribble in the half court and unnatural.

What I like that he does, is he does have some hoopsIQ and moves the ball and (when he’s tuned in) makes a lot of little plays, offensive boards, the right pass… rotation defensively, etc.

What bugs me, is sometimes I feel he overhandles, and what bugs me more is, Steph doesn’t feel the need to be more involved.

by tafkasam on Feb 21, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

I think that slowness/unnaturalness of handling the ball comes more from being unsure than anything. It seems to me like he just hesitate too much, like he’s unsure whether or not he’s making the right play.

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by Brownie13 on Feb 21, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Dorell had 0 points in like 20 minutes. Klay was scoreless too, i guess it just wasn’t their night.

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