What is the Warriors' plan as of now?
by GSWarrior1818 on Feb 21, 2012 6:43 PM PST
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PrintAfter an epic win last night against Warriors South, the Warriors currently sit at the 9th worst record, tied with Cleveland. Games like these really mess with my emotions because on one hand, the playoffs can still be a possibility, whereas on the other hand, I really want that draft pick. This leads to my question, what is the Warriors' plan right now? Do we try to win all and hope for a good trade near the deadline that will hopefully propel us into the playoffs? Or, do we jump on the tank (...bandwagon)? I really do not want to be stuck in NBA purgatory for the next decade. I personally would like the Warriors to tank it all the now, because I know this team cannot make the playoffs with the current roster. And even if the playoffs are a reality, would a clean sweep by Durant and the Thunder be worth passing on a potential franchise player in the draft? Not to me. I'd rather draft a player like Harrison Barnes or Jeremy Lamb and build for the future rather than give it all and hope for at best an 8th seed in a loaded Western Conference.
What do you guys think?
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I'm sick of the tank talk..
We’re not a bottom 7 team. We aren’t getting a top 7 pick. It’s going to Utah, they’ll get a nice 10th-14th pick. We’re going to play hard all season, perhaps make a bold move before the deadline, unlikely though.
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dont need to call it tank then.
we are not a playoff or championship team for a few years anyway barring the unlikely (landing howard for next to nothing cuz he wants a championship)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 21, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
We’re not a bottom 7 team
you gotta have faith and believe it’s possible , that’s how winners are constructed. You think okla ever gave up on getting high draft picks? No they had a vision and stuck with it thru the hard times and look how it paid off.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 21, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
That's the spirit. Someone call Wilson Chandler and tell him to be hungry for elbows. The tank shall roll on.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Someone call Wilson Chandler and tell him to be hungry for elbows. The tank shall roll on.
we gotta get on the bad side of the refs too. More bias against us would be helpfull
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 21, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
I think we can manage Stack Jack on a 10 day if he gets cut. Tell him to give us one guaranteed Tech a night.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
after a tense moment of silence a lowly squeeking fart eminated from someones rear
sorry , they say a pic is worth a thousand words..
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 21, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
someone with the same humor as me! lol
and it was a wet fart!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
?
Who the hell is this?!
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2012 7:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Pretty much this. How can there be a consensus when we have so many different idiots in there?
And the ONLY one I trust is Jerry West’s because at least he’s not incessantly blathering about playoffs when they’re so clearly not on that level as a team or put it on a pedestal as if it’s some magical holy land. He’s the only one who publicly acknowledged the need to keep our pick. He also wasn’t sure if DJ was the best fit for this team, which I think is justified.
Point is, there is no plan cause Lacob don’t wanna listen to the one guy who’s done it before.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Didn’t we draft West’s guy? Who do you think is an idiot besides Riley?
by Missing Barry on Feb 22, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure you can keep the draft pick without a phone call
I don’t see the team being that bad. Not unless there’s a major trade involving Ellis or Curry, or even Lee. With the loss of that scoring, the team would sink fast.
In favor of the playoffs:
-Udoh shows signs of producing at the Center spot. Supposedly the missing piece of the puzzle.
-The Warriors have better defense than prior years. Not great, but somewhat capable.
-When the Warriors play hard, they are a very good team, and hard to beat.
-If they are in the playoffs, they very well could get Brown back to have a massive body to put in at Center and match up with bigger teams. That makes them a lot better.
-They are a younger team, and the condensed season may start to break down the older teams with injuries at the eand of the season.
Against the playoffs:
-The Warriors have had a very easy schedule with a lot of home games. Now they start a stretch of road games that will not favor them getting many wins, unless something drastically changes in road attitude. Is Udoh supposed to solve THAT also? Geez, he’s just one guy…
-They can put Udoh at Center and basically play small ball all year, but was that the plan? That worked one night against the Clippers, but…The Lakers will just go big and negate that plan straight away. They remain vulnerable to big front lines that can score.
-They haven’t solved the point guard issue. Against the Clippers everyeone drove the lane and it opend up shots. Someone has to do that every game or it’s jump shot city. Jump shot city doesn’t win many games.
Make a trade and make a run for the playoffs!
You play to win the game!
Udoh played great against the Clippers – I still cannot get over those TWO massive gobbling up the ball blocks on Griffin that were falsely called fouls. More than his scoring, that impressed me big time.
But, he is simply not enough. Seeing as how Tyler is not ready (which is fine, I’d like to see him developed slowly because he seems a bit fragile mentally) and seeing as how Beidrins is a non-entity, we need to make a trade for another big.
I would love to see us move Dorell Wright (who gives us nothing we cannot get from Rush or Klay) for a center warming the bench somewhere – preferably a tough, savvy vet who likes to bang – kind of like we had with Kwame.
We’ve lost so many close games, I really think a bit of tweaking to the roster, and some more experience for Jackson and this squad might be enough to get us to the playoffs.
And if we do not make the playoffs, but are knocking at the door, that will make us a more likely destination for free agents than us tanking.
Outside of making playoffs, perfect scenario is that we are a 9th seed, but thanks to the lottery balls, end up keeping a top seven pick.
Look at our schedule!
Any team with playoff hopes would have a far better record than we have now, considering the number of home games we’ve played. A blind man can see the hardest part of our schedule is still on the horizon.
The most likely scenario a “win now” strategy brings for this team is devastating consequences: another season without playoffs AND a loss of our draft pick in this talent-laden draft. That is the definition of a lost season! I shudder to think of what next season would look like after that outcome…
Let’s face it, Riley & Co’s record would show that we most likely won’t be pulling off a significant or impactful trade before the deadline, so tanking is our best hope of salvaging some value out of this season.
by Lacob's Ladder on Feb 22, 2012 10:25 AM PST reply actions
you are right, but you are also wrong
On the surface, this is a lost season. But you are wrong because so many games we have list have been down to the wire (including games on the road) and I believe we will learn how to win more of those games as the season progresses. Also, Mark Jackson, this ownership, and most players on this team just do not have TANK in their DNA, not until they are completely out of the playoff race (statistically that is – not based on reason). I really don’t understand why people think the Warriors, at this point in the season, would genuinely embrace this idea.
Larry Riley will be gone at season end if he does not make a move at this trade deadline is my hunch.
by Togna Balogna on Feb 22, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
the number of close losses
bothers me more than the occasional blowout. As far as Riley goes, I think he’s gone anyway. The “we’re in the market” piece on NBA.com is a confession that no trades are jelling, and smacks of desperation and/or cynicism.
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The blowouts say more about our team talent level. Close losses are largely random variation. Blowouts are not. Blowouts are predictive of future performance. So far we’re -1.6 points per game in point differential. Not that far below average, but average doesn’t get you anywhere in the Western Conference. 11 teams are above us in point differential. The 8th seed has won: 46, 50, 48, 48, 50 games the past 5 seasons. We’re not close to going anywhere, let’s not pretend otherwise.
by Missing Barry on Feb 22, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
I agree we're not going much of anywhere at this point
Blowouts happen, though. I’d rather see us clearly beaten than repeatedly failing in the last 2 minutes – which has not been random this year, it’s been consistent. If our talent level was higher, we’d not be in the position as often as we have, surely. But the pattern of close losses indicates to me there is another factor than just talent affecting it – coaching, “toughness”, whatever.
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I blame the coaching mostly
our end of game calls have been pretty reliably weak….oh no, what are they going to do? Another Monta iso
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 23, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Blowouts happen to bad teams. Close losses happen to anyone, and I’m standing by the random variation thing. We’ve played 30 total games. We’re like 3-6 in close games. That’s random variation.
by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
The most likely scenario a "win now" strategy brings for this team is devastating consequences: another season without playoffs AND a loss of our draft pick in this talent-laden draft. That is the definition of a lost season! I shudder to think of what next season would look like after that outcome…
Whatever ostensible strategy we institute, I’d estimate that there’s about an 80-90% of this scenario coming to pass.
Not saying you should be happy about it, but it might make sense to at least prepare yourself psychologically.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 22, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
gotta agree
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I’ve been a fan for decades, I’m prepared :) There’s still some small hope in me somewhere that Lacob reads all of these pleas and realizes tank mode is the best direction for this season.
by Lacob's Ladder on Feb 22, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Or... how about this trade
We trade Monta to Charlotte for two bigs:
Boris Diaw and their seven feet, one inch, 275 pound kid – Byron Mullen. He is a project, but at least he is further along than Tyler in his development.
Diaw has only one year left on his deal, but he can be a great backup for Lee and would play well in our system.
Charlotte needs star power and scoring, and Monta gives them both. Charlotte keeps their starting center, and they have Bismack and Tyrus at PF. Monta Ellis is about 100 times better than Gerald Henderson.
How about
Stephen Curry + Beans for Kemba Walker + Byron Mullens + Diaw
by mrorangesoda on Feb 22, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
YES!
Our best player and most tradable commodity by a wide margin … for a big pile of crud!
Full speed ahead with the tank!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 22, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Well, looking just at the players involved you are right
But, if you consider how the move improves teams balance between back and front court and the opening it provides for others like Curry and Klay to step up – it may be a great trade for us. Plus, with Monta gone and DIaw on a one year contract, it gives us more money to work with in the future.
by Togna Balogna on Feb 22, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, I kinda hate the deal even with Monta in it. Kemba + Mullens + Diaw is about as close as it gets to “a pile of stuff,” imho. With Monta switched out for Curry, I like it vastly less.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 22, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
What if a 1st round pick were included instead of Kemba? ;-)
by Lacob's Ladder on Feb 22, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Mullens was traded for a bag of balls for a reason
He’s big and can score some but doesn’t rebound or defend well enough for a big. His minutes are actualy going down. He’ll have a big game or two, and is certainly better than the 0 scoring we’re currently getting at the 5, but not worth trading a good commodity for. On the other hand, Utah has a couple of good young bigs. And a $10M exemption. But I can’t see the W’s making a bold trade, they’re convinced a new attitude on defense can turn this team of undersized shooters into the old Knicks teams.
Hmmmm? I’ve heard plenty of talk from management about making a bold move. Not seeing where you’re coming from. I like Utah’s young bigs, too, but I think they do, too. Don’t see much reason for them to let them go….
by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
You’re right. I think they’d love to make a bold move if it means getting a player of Howard’s level. I’m not sure that’s realistic though. I don’t see a Howard, or Paul for that matter, wanting to stay on the W’s. So think it would actually be a bad trade, even if we were able to land Howard. It seems to me they’re trying to build a win now team without win now pieces. Better to make a move with the big 3, imho, and try to add another player on a rookie level contract. That would be a bold move as well, but I don’t think they have the stomach for it. They need butts in the seats to build a new stadium in SF adn then try to woo big time free agents.
Yeah, I’m much more in agreement with all that.
by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
*clarification
Our best player and most tradable commodity by a wide margin
Both of these refer to Curry — neither to Biedrins, obviously!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 22, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
that is good too
I guess I’d like to keep Curry more than Monta, but lately I am Curry is not helping his cause
by Togna Balogna on Feb 22, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Despite recovering from ankle surgery and suffering a few setbacks in the process, Curry is currently averaging 18.3 pts / 7.0 assists / 4.2 rebounds / 1.9 steals per 36 minutes on a cool .600 true shooting percentage. He’s also cut down a bit on his turnover rate and foul rate relative to last season.
I think Curry is helping his cause just fine, unless you’re talking mostly about the ankle thing.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 22, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Kemba Walker is an awful, awful NBA player.
by Missing Barry on Feb 22, 2012 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
i never got the hype around him last draft... I would not have taken him in the top 25
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 22, 2012 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah his team won the championship and he hit some clutch shots. That’s nice and all, but just ask Juan Dixon if it makes you a good NBA player. If you looked closely, it was pretty obvious how little there is to like about Kemba’s game.
by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2012 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
Our best plan might involve
Trading steph + biedrins for jnew Orleans pick + kaman + aminu?
Monta for Teague, hinrich (or salary filler) + a pick.
Surely suck too much to keep top 7 + another lottery pick. Rebuild properly
It’s either that or trade steph for an elite plYer and gamble
The opportunity to trade Steph for an elite player was there. We could have had CP3. I think the gamble that he wouldn’t resign would have been entirely worth it, because we would have unloaded Biedrins at the same time and had cap space next year. And man this year would have been sweet. Home court advantage in the playoffs…
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
Eh, I like CP3 a lot as a player, but when it comes to trading for him compared to other elite players….I can see plenty of reasons not to take the risk on him that you might be willing to take on Lebron, Dwight, Durant, Rose….
by Missing Barry on Feb 22, 2012 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
Why is that?
You don’t think we are playoff bound with CP3 on this present roster?
Considering we have a bunch of decent offensive players who thrive by being set up, is their anyone better?
Actually, (while the train has sailed) this just speaks to a Curry for Rubio trade being a good idea.
Because CP3 is a PG. Basketball is a tall man’s game, and I’m much more into the idea of committing to a taller guy than him. Because CP3 isn’t the same player he was 3 years ago – that loss of athleticism/explosiveness at that age concerns me. Beyond the loss of athleticism, say what you will about how he’s transformed himself, but I don’t think he’s as good as he used to be. Because there are rumors CP3 has Brandon Roy-disease (I’m no doctor, I have no idea whether this is a legit concern or not, but the thought of a career ending injury is troubling).
by Missing Barry on Feb 24, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
I very much doubt this....
We could have had CP3.
This is right up there with “We coulda had Dwight Howard” or We coulda had___________fill in the blank with the mystery all star monster PF rather than David Lee.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 23, 2012 12:50 PM PST reply actions
They would have been in the discussions if they were willing to part with Curry. They weren’t, so the talks went nowhere. Don’t know if they would’ve landed him. Even if they could, would they have had to include another key piece or two? Probably. So I don’t see much upside, as he leaves after the season and possibly a short playoff run.
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