If the Warriors shop Monta Ellis...
Before last year's draft the Timberwolves had a package together involving Michael Beasley, Nikola Pekovic and the #2 overall pick for Monta. Why didn't we do that?!
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Saw this in the comments, which deal(s) would you do?
Monta straight-up for a top-8 2012 pick
Monta (?) for Bogut
Monta for Varejao
Monta for Deng
Monta (?) for Noah
Monta for Iguodala
Monta for Gortat
Monta for Asik (+?)
All of the above.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 21, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Ask me which one I wouldn't do.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I’d be hesitant to do deal for Varejao and a little more hesitant to do Bogut deal (the dude can’t stay healthy).
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Feb 21, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Why? Varejao is a great rebounder and defender.
Just cause we already have Udoh who plays the same position it would not deter me from getting another quality player in the front court. We need more than two functional bigs in our rotation if we’re realistically thinking about playoffs.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Varejao has been injury prone-ish as well...
Isn’t he missing time this year, and he just came off injury last season.
I wanted Gortat before he headed to PHX. Deng will not be getting traded, CHI feels he is almost as important as D. Rose to their success (highly underrated player, IMO). Same with Noah. And Asik is not proven enough to trade Monta for.
I'd take the pick.
And go after Asik in Free Agency
his contract makes me use some brainers on this decision
plus, at this point, we are much more desperate for a true center than we are for a good wing player
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
the contract is barely worse than monta's
but his production level is much higher
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Feb 22, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
"barely"?
an additional $3.7 mil, and then 4.9 million…that’s enough to matter IMO
…that’s Rush’s QO next year…more than Dorell, Udoh, or Nate make
may not look like much, but once you start thinking about it, it’s a fairly significant chunk of change
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
yes but you're missing my point
iggy’s one of those players that earns every dime he’s given. that chunk of change wouldnt feel like it went to waste
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
oh no, not missing your point, just disagree
Iggy is probably only slightly overpaid…but you add in the Lee contract, plus whatever we extend to Steph…and you’ve got a capped out, fairly mediocre team.
I mean, hell, if these offers were all legit, I think we’d have to seriously consider Noah or Asik “plus”
not saying at all the Iggy might not end up as the wisest move, but it’s hardly a “no-brainer”
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
alright, i'll settle with that
well put. i was only comparing the two players together and juxtaposing them on our squad as a whole
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
yeah, we'd definitely be better, IMO
but what next?
on the other hand, without a major roster overhaul, it sure does look like captain Lacob has his sights firmly set on the Hawks model (playoffs!…and then…?)
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 23, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Take any in a heartbeat (except Varejao)
Bogut’s the winner
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by Butterknuckles on Feb 22, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
High draft pick and a huge expiring contract...
And knowing we can use Beasley as trade bait down the line would’ve been good.
Dude, we wouldn’t have gotten the draft pick. It’s right there in the article.
by Slightly Hyphy on Feb 21, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
if we did , who would we have right now? enes kanter?
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 21, 2012 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly...
Imagine a young big man core of JT, Ekpe,& Kanter. Klay would be in contest for ROY if he had gotten bigger minutes early on as well.
Ya, that would have been juicy. And if it would have been Kyrie by chance that woulda been seet too
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 21, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
Pekovic was not good before...and Beasley is not good either...
why would we have done it? Only if we could have had their #1 pick…but they didn’t want to give that.
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The GSWs apparently asked to expand the deal to include the Timberwolves’ No. 1 pick in last year’s draft, which was 2nd overall and turned out to be Derrick Williams.
At that point, according to the sources, the two sides got stuck negotiating what the GSWs would do then to sweeten it beyond Ellis.
We could’ve gave them Biedrins. If we knew Dorell was gonna fall off this bad this year we could’be gave them him too! lol!
Yeah! Let’s give them a horrible center making 9M a year!!! That would definitely have changed their minds!!!!! Yeah!!
by Slightly Hyphy on Feb 21, 2012 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Before last year’s draft the Timberwolves had a package together involving Michael Beasley, Nikola Pekovic and the #2 overall pick for Monta. Why didn’t we do that?!
The package was Beasley and Pekovic for Monta. No #2 pick. That’s why the deal didn’t happen. The Warriors wanted the pick as well.
seriously lol
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Well if you consider that Pekovic was an unknown and essentially a throw in, the Warriors were looking at Beasley for Ellis. I would have turned that down too.
by Slightly Hyphy on Feb 21, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
I guess it’s more about insisting on the pick being included, as though Monta’s worth Beasley, a young big, AND the #2 overall pick.
I agree that I wouldn’t trade Monta for Beasley and an unknown. However, if the TWolves were interested, I find it hard to believe they couldn’t find a deal there with all the young players and picks the TWolves had at the time. I would’ve definitely thrown in the #11 to make something work. Monta and #11 for Beasley, Pekovic, Williams/Kanter, and tons of cap flexibility is still a good deal even with what we knew at the time.
read the article
AND the #2 overall pick
this was the deal breaker, no way the Wolves were going to include it
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
I can't believe that offer was a real offer...at least for my sanity I hope not if we turned that down.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
ya, maybe it depended on whom else they wanted to make that deal sweet enough for them
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 21, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
fail if Riley balked at Wright being thrown in.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
So apparently if we had good scouts we could have fleeced them by getting Pekovic
Yep…
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It was good to turn down the deal then.
But you’d obviously take it now.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 21, 2012 9:08 PM PST reply actions
what's funny about this?
draft pick = YAY!
Pekovich = actual starting center.
Beasley = decent scorer, with many of the same problems as Monta.
kind of an upgrade. and by kind of an upgrade i mean, an upgrade.
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
pekovich wasn’t actually a starting center before…he is this year.
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What draft pick?
I thought it was turned down because there was no draft pick. Like many have said already, Pekovic was an unknown back then. He didn’t shine until this year.
this
did you guys not read the article?!?!
Dubs wanted the draft pick, but Wolves balked.
Sounds like the deal would have been Monta for Beasely plus Pek
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like Minny wanted more thrown in if they were to include the pick.
But that’s where the talks stalled. The general outline was there with Pek, Beas for Monta. The details weren’t agreed upon.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
right
but the offered deal had nothing to do with the draft pick
Dubs tried for it, but at that point, we are talking about an entirely different transaction
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yuck, I just read the whole thing.
Monta’s gonna stay a Warrior for life (or until he opts out) cause the way we view Monta seems much, much higher than anyone else.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I don't know about that.
But i think they want something back for him that just won’t ever be possible.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 21, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Color me surprised when it happens then.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I'm with you on this Kentoe
I think Monta is a lifer with this franchise
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
I would not have taken that deal at the time
so it wasn’t a bad move by the Warriors.
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I don't know why the Warriors asked for the 2nd overall pick
That’s sort of expensive for a chucker who can sometimes get hot but uses up a lot of possessions.
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Min did not offer that lottery pick
Lacob et. al required it, probably because they believed their player had the highest proven value by far. Pekovic at present has credentials as a starting center, but not back then. The new regime has depended heavily on Ellis as a marketing lure, and they probably looked at the recidivist pot head Beasley as Min’s white elephant.
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As a pot head, he would have been able to connect with a lot of Bay Area residents
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by doubleteapot on Feb 22, 2012 1:49 AM PST up reply actions
lol
the bay area is the only place in the nation where if youre an athlete playing here and get caught smoking pot, the fans dont talk you down, they embrace you and spark one up in your honor!
by JustSomeName on Feb 22, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
it's all good as long as you got your prescription
Beez and Klay would for sure be smoke buddies
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
and Rush
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
i'm imagining those three hitting a gravity bong and watching chappelle
meanwhile NateRob busts in with five bags of cheetos and yells “man y’all didn’t even wait for me???!!!?”
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
LOL
reminds me of one of my straight edge buddies from high school…would always show up to parties with milk and cookies (needless to say, he was pretty popular among the smokers)
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 22, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
hahahahaha classic!
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
The new regime has depended heavily on Ellis as a marketing lure
Our biggest problem. This team is built to sell tickets, not playoff games. It’s been our problem for a long time.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 22, 2012 6:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
keep monta and trade Curry!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 1:02 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
why?
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
why not?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
if you're going to keep the - and trade the +, you better get an even bigger + in return
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
negatives beans and wright; positives ellis, lee, curry
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
monta is not a positive
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Here's a good metaphor for people.
Stephen Curry is the functional laptop with a few deficiencies but costs you less to run (just electricity), has a higher value among potential buyers, and is newer.
Monta Ellis is the shiny laptop that can’t perform the same functions as the Curry laptop but has it’s own perks. However it costs you both electricity and gasoline to run (and thus is more expensive), less people around you want it, and it’s an older model.
So you probably would prefer to keep the first laptop huh? Unless someone offers you one hell of a laptop back in return.
yeah
another analogy is that Curry is the better and cheaper player
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
curry is performing?
must be a microsoft os with a virus that keeps causing shutdowns
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Are you saying Curry isn't performing?
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 22, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
So you get antivirus and its fixed
Monta is just a bad computer… can’t fix that.
lol i like that
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Think we could have switched picks to make it work?
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Were the Wolves even trade the pick last year?
I though you can’t trade draft picks in consecutive years? And the Hornets have the Wolves pick this year.
it would have been a draft day trade after they made the pick
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
speculation?
I didnt see that in the article at all
not speculation
as you said, they were not allowed to trade last years first rounder since they dont have this year’s first rounder. they were shopping the pick, but the only way to legally trade it would have been either to trade the pick on draft day or pick up a first rounder somewhere else
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
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