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David Lee Carries The Fire

David Lee plays with the most intensity and fire on the team. Even if his numbers do not always reflect it (most of the time they do) he is one of the few players on this team that shows their fierce desire to win. You can see it in his face every time he plays, he has that Kobe Bryant look in his eyes. Granted he is no Kobe but I think their will to play hard might be the same. For that I admire him and now think he is the best player on this team. Always trying to make the strong play. Nate Robinson gets my vote for second best energy/intensity player on the team and Ekpe close behind in his own ways of wanting to prove he can contend. These qualities are contagious and make the rest of the team better. One man that stands out who can improve on intensity is Curry. Sometimes I look at his face and it seems he has just partially given up for the rest of the game even if he numbers do not reflect it. Of course when a game is out of hand and the team is stuck in the land of mediocrity with very little hope of emerging from it soon one can understand the lack of drive but that is no excuse as a player to not carry the intensity every single minute of every game when your job is to play your hardest.

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David Lee you are the man, keep spreading the good vibes and do not let anything get you down. Nate, do not ever lose that energy and enthusiasm, everyone on the team can use a little. If the team is stuck in land of mediocrity then there is at least something to say for a team who will never give up no matter what. I can't stomach a intentional tank mentality. Goes against the competitive nature of sports. There are no guarantees that a tank this year would equal a better next year. Nothing is guaranteed in sports. But this is not about tanking or not, it is about David Lee being da man and him getting his props. Much more deserving of the contract than say the no intensity European do not feel like opening the shop today Biedrins. Speaking of Beans talents, how can people in the NBA not shoot free throws well? I do not understand it. You do it every day. How are you not good at it? It is part of your job. I hardly ever practice basketball and can probably still manage a 50% free throw shooter. Even if players do not practice you would think the time they do it in games would make them above 60%. Guess it is just a game of size and not skill sometimes. Thoughts?

Poll
Who has the best intensity on the squad?
David Lee is da man
66 votes
Nate Robinson
14 votes
Ekpe
10 votes
Curry
1 votes
Monta
14 votes
Brandon Rush
2 votes
Not sure but I know Beans has the worst
40 votes
Curry has worst because of lack of drive on mediocre team, would pull a Lin on another team.
4 votes
D. Wright has the drive
1 votes

152 votes | Poll has closed

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Always enjoy seeing a positive post in between all the 'lets trade this guy, that guy sucks' threads

I agree, D. Lee is one of the leaders on this squad, and he always seems to be bringing the energy. Unfortunately, I wish simply energy was enough for good defense, but thats not the case and D. Lee still kinda sucks at playing defense and for a guy that gets a lot of rebounds is surprisingly beat a lot in box outs.

But I love how he plays and how he is not afraid to take shots and bang around inside. I think his energy really shows and the rest of the guys feed off of it when the Warriors are making a run fueled by Lee. I think Ellis could do more in showing his energy, but he’s often in his own head and psyching himself up, which I have no problem with – not every guy is gonna be ra-ra loud and outspoken.

And yeah, I think Nate definitely brings this ‘intangible’ factor that lights up the bench. That really goes a long way in them coming in and playing well when the team needs a pickup I believe, because there’s constantly a positive ‘LETS GET THIS, FELLAS!!’ vibe goin around. You need fiery guys to give the team an identity, and the Warriors have it with Nate and Lee

by DubsDominate on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM PST reply actions  

Lee is getting no credit for his improved defense on this site

Seems to me he is playing better defense than in the past – he’ll never be an all world defender (or even close), but it seems like alot of teams with more talented front lines are not putting up monster numbers on him like in the past. One way of looking at it is this: If he can keep other PFs around their average, then he deserves to be considered an average
defender. Looking quickly at the last few games:
Griffin: 21 and 9 (he averages 21 and 11)
Gasol: 17 and 13 (he averages 15 and 10) – they play two centers
Ibaka: 9 and 7 (he averages 8 and 7.5)

Not great, but not god awful either. When you consider that he often has to also defend the other team’s center and gets little to no hope from his SF on help defense – saying Lee is about average as a defender seems accurate.
I am a big Lee fan, but my concern with him, and this contradicts the main point of this post, is that for all his fire he doesn’t demand the ball at the end of the game and this is why for all his good stats he continues to be unable to translate his good numbers to team wins. Hopefully he will grow in this sense. I remember feeling the same way about Dirk early in his career, Lee is no Dirk, but I think he can still improve in this regard.

by Togna Balogna on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM PST reply actions  

D. Lee holds his own.

But he can’t or no one on the Warriors can get in some 1 else’s face. Those players are rare and hard to find.

by DaveinSJ on Feb 22, 2012 12:39 PM PST reply actions  

Rec'd, I would agree on Lee's intensity and leadership...

The knocks on Lee bother me a lot as well….quite frankly with all the negative talk here about Lee and his contract I have not yet seen a convincing arguement about “who” exactly the Warriors “realistically” could have brought in instead of Lee as a PF after years of bad draft selections and failed trade attempts in an attempt to bag a decent PF….many here forget the PF position was the most talked about need prior to the Andris meltdown when we thought we were set at center.

Lee brings intensity,scoring,rebounding,passing and leadership with defense as his weakness but Lee with his scoring and rebounding combined with outstanding defense would be considered the elite/superstar everyone wants but…..guess what…..if that were true he would not be on the Warriors ….and….we would still be wondering when AR was going to grow up.

by Only In Fairfax on Feb 23, 2012 12:39 PM PST reply actions  

I have not yet seen a convincing arguement about "who" exactly the Warriors "realistically" could have brought in instead of Lee as a PF after years of bad draft selections and failed trade attempts in an attempt to bag a decent PF

Honestly, I think it’s hard to make a convincing argument about this – but not necessarily because options weren’t available. There are lots of possibilities, and short of deals that actually do happen, we have no idea what’s realistic in terms of what deals other GM’s would actually make. Let’s go back and think about where we were when we acquired David Lee. Things that have happened since then: Ryan Anderson traded for Courtney Lee. David West signed by Indiana for 2/$20M. Tyson Chandler traded for Matt Carroll, Erick Dampier, Eduardo Najera, cash. Gallinari was traded (probably more of a SF, but could definitely play PF in a smallball lineup, at the least). Mozgov was traded. Hawes and Nocioni for Dalembert. Chuck Hayes was signed as a free agent. Carl Landry, Jordan Hill and Jared Jeffries were all traded. Lamar Odom was just traded for almost nothing. Semih Erden was traded. I just thought of all these transactions off the top of my head, I’m sure it’s nothing close to complete. But all those big men were clearly obtainable – though I’m not saying they were all worth acquiring.

The more difficult thing, though, is what might have been? With assets like Randolph (or maybe B Wright if we gave him PT like Dallas is this year?), who knows what we could have made happen. A trade for Asik, maybe? Maybe we have a more attractive package for D Howard – one that involves us keeping a piece or two he wants to play with that convinces him to stay. Maybe we go after Bynum or Pau. Who knows – I can’t make a convincing argument out of this, because there’s no convincing argument to be made. We just don’t know enough. That doesn’t mean a possibility isn’t out there, though.

by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

West is a little bit better than Lee...

And they got him for 60 less million and didn’t give up draft picks or decent pieces…

Gambino is a mastermind...

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 23, 2012 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

The decent piece being?

Turiaf hasn’t improved and continues to struggle with injuries, Buike hasn’t played, and Randolph is still trying to find minutes.

Also, we traded them one second-round pick. You’ve stated in the past how insignificant the value of second-round picks are.

Agreed, we overpaid for him, and agreed that West is probably a little better. But acting like the cost of getting him outside of money has actually hurt us is either overvaluing what we gave up, or overreacting to it.

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by Brownie13 on Feb 24, 2012 12:59 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Turiaf would be the best center on this team.

AR is not getting minutes but he has Derrick Williams and Kevin Love on his team at his position. He’s a pretty good young player…and two 2nd round picks. I don’t think they’re that valuable but considering we’ll have to go out and buy picks now is not good. You never know.

Gambino is a mastermind...

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 24, 2012 2:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Lee’s good- he can score some, rebound, pass and he’s a great teammate. Forget defense, the bigger problem is that he cannot carry a team. You look at his stats and they look great. You watch him play and he impresses you with his court awareness. But in the big picture, he picks up scrap rebounds, he doesn’t have a low post game, and he relies on spreading the court to get points. So he’s not someone you dump the ball into when you need a score at the end of the game.

by jmaaan on Feb 23, 2012 6:47 PM PST reply actions  

Forget defense, the bigger problem is that he cannot carry a team.

Honestly, no. If everything about him was the same, and he was an average defender, I think i’d be ok with him on the team. I’d probably even like him.

Gambino is a mastermind...

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 23, 2012 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

He'd be better, of course.

But as a guy that’s supposed to be our scorer in the paint, not having a post game is pretty damning. It’s the kind of flaw that doesn’t necessarily show at all when a team does have a player with a low post game. However it’s also the kind of flaw that would significantly reduce his production if teamed with said player. His numbers would look much more like something near to what Noah, Scola and Humphries do offensively.

http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/

by Brownie13 on Feb 24, 2012 1:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh, I don’t think he’d be down to Noah levels. I’m thinking something more along the lines of Bosh on the Heat or Marc Gasol.

by Missing Barry on Feb 24, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. And to pay what we’re paying for a guy who cannot score down low when needed is excessive.

by jmaaan on Feb 24, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

If he was an average defender, I’d go so far as to say I’d be ok with his contract.

by Missing Barry on Feb 24, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Can't get over the contract

An NBA GM should know better. It’s embarrassing.

by tafkasam on Feb 24, 2012 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

I love Lee

but I do think we have two distinct gripes about him that are legit.

1.) no D. This is a big deal. I think in general, he probably is still a net positive, but you can’t just look at half the game and draw any meaningful conclusion about his overall value.

2.) dollar bills. Especially in about 3 years.

even with this in mind though, I’m glad he’s on our team

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 24, 2012 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

it's actually preferable to hear all the complaints about Lee

to seeing even more speculation over acquiring other players at the position who would be equally or more problematic, or aren’t going to be dealt here for various reasons.

it’s good to see that Lee is aware of the kritiks like Kawakami et. al. and has a sense of humor about it ; he knows he could be here for a while and wants to do all he can to help it work for the best.

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by the.monk on Feb 24, 2012 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

for all of that "fire" and intensity to win...

He sure has lost a lot of games in his career.

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on Feb 24, 2012 4:32 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think anyone dislikes David Lee as a person.

Just like Corey Maggette was a cool dude on a bad contract, so is David Lee.

Gambino is a mastermind...

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 24, 2012 5:20 PM PST reply actions  

David Lee complains too much. I think he is the softest player on our team.

It took me all day to find some Lin-spiration, it just hit me like a ton of Knicks no Lin - ovation

by Billie_Holiday on Feb 24, 2012 7:06 PM PST reply actions  

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