Regrets, we've had (more than) a few: the GSoM poll
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 7, 2012 12:58 PM PST
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OK, let's get this in the numerical form. With the snap of the fingers, you can have any ex-Warrior you want back on the team, right now, on a bargain-basement contract (let's say 3/$9M). Who are you taking?
Personally ... I'm voting Morrow, partly 'cos I miss his winning personality and the sweet Carolinian synergy he had working with Curry for a season or so. I'm also still miffed that we made so little effort to keep Reggie "Mr. Potatohead" Williams, a similar player to Morrow with a slightly more diverse offensive arsenal. I'd put old friend Jason Richardson in basically the same category as Morrow and Reggie, but he's getting a little long in the tooth now (just turned 31 — happy belated B-day, JRich!). This diary is about looking forward, not looking back at how good the team might or might not have been over the past X years had we not let player X go when we did.
Somewhat à propos: one guy I could almost see making my dark horse pick is Brandan "BrokenWing" Wright. Tiny sample size (147 total minutes), but he's currently averaging 18.6 pts on .652 ts% and 3.7 blocks per 36 with the Mavs. If he could ever stay in one piece and play regular minutes — two rather huge ifs — I think he could be the most talented NBA player let we've walk since Webber, at a position we always need. Much as I miss Morrow and Reggie, I have to admit that shooting guards of their ilk are not that hard come by (as the fact that the we came by them as an undrafted rookie and D-leaguer, respectively, probably attests). Indeed, the solid play this season of Brandon Rush and rapidly improving game of Klay Thompson has already made me miss them both a bit less.
More than anything else, what this list says to me is that, much as we all like to weep on this site (myself included), we haven't really let anyone of particular import walk since Chris Webber. Then again, with the possible exception of Stephen Curry, we haven't really had any player of particular import since Baron Davis lost his passion for the game.
(Now if we're talking about guys we've whiffed on in the draft, that's a whole 'nother giant can o' worms, one I won't open here except to say: Ike Diogu over Andrew Bynum, really????)
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we haven’t really let anyone of particular import walk since Chris Webber.
This really says it all.
Did Morrow get ejected???
+1
This is true. Although, seeing the Agent Zero have a decent career after leaving the Dubs was a little hard to watch. But by no means would I want him back right now. Aside from that, it would’ve been nice to see that WE BELIEVE squad for one or two more seasons.
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after the 4 knee surgeries and gun incident yeah
but the guy had a rule made after him regarding player movement and he actually made Murphleavy look like a possible playoff team
maybe its a good thing they let him go then
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 7, 2012 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
David Lee was the first big man since Webber to get a triple double for the Dubs
according to the broadcast last night….
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Barron?
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
And CJ
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by KillaContract on Feb 7, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I understand...
…why Lin has the most votes after those back2back games in NY but even if he were back here with the Dubs, there’s no way he’d be able to put up those numbers with Steph & Monta on the same team. He was able to put up those numbers with the Knicks because they NEED a point guard.
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hey, we NEED a point guard too! Curry should only be playin 20-25 with that ankle....
nate robinson is not the future and shouldnt be playin… jenkins and lin should be gettin the 28 minutes a game.. with most of that goin to lin and bring jenkins in along slowly..
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 7, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Much as I miss Morrow and Reggie, I have to admit that shooting guards of their ilk are not that hard come by (as the fact that the we came by them in the second-round and in the D-league, respectively, probably attests).
Morrow was undrafted, but that furthers your point even more and I agree. His type is the most replaceable in the NBA. I think we’ll miss Lin the most if he can keep up some semblance of what he’s currently doing.
Monta Ellis.
I think we’ll miss Lin the most
I thought we miss the scarecrow the most?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 7, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
funny
I am now picturing Beidrens as the Lion (if he only had some fricken courage), monta as scarecrow
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
hahahaha
good one
..I could also see Lacob and Jackson covering Dorothy and toto (not sure who’s who)
Stern is of course the wicked witch
West I’m guessing would be the all-powerful Oz (don’t look behind the curtain!!!)
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 10, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
would have to be
either Morrow or Steph Jackson. A motivated, non-FAT Baron for $3 per is enticing too.
Gimmie back Reggie
If utilised properly, he can be deadly
by maryjane on Feb 7, 2012 1:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
We need a PG, a floor general to tell our starters what to do.
Right now our starters are just doing their own individual thing and they are playing no defense.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Feb 7, 2012 1:32 PM PST reply actions
They’re playing poor defense because none of them individually are very good at defense. Wright may be OK, and Biedrins close to mediocre, depending on matchup. The others are somewhere between pretty bad and downright awful. This should have been clear at the start of he season to anyone who follows the team. I don’t see how a “floor general” does anything to change that basic problem, unless you’re talking about LeBron James.
As far as “doing their own individual thing” … I totally disagree. For their positions, I think all five of them are unselfish players and willing and able passers.
Say it with me one more time: the problem is overall lack of talent, particularly on the defensive end.
There will be no extra point!
Also...
What exactly did your comment have to do with this thread? Should I take it as a vote for Baron Davis?
There will be no extra point!
Biedrins is a good defender.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
I want either Broken wing or AR
because I assume this means I somehow wish away the fat end of David Lee’s contract
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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Wish I thought of that before I voted.
Would gladly have Broken Wing or AR over any of these choices if it’ll mean no Lee.
Well, the spirit of the poll is one of simple addition, with no concurrent subtraction. But I suppose you’re allowed to add Rudolf or BrokenWing and then figure out a way to jettison Lee.
There will be no extra point!
yes! the judge rules in my favor!
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 7, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
not really mate.. He said you need to now figure out a way to jettison Lee.. w/out an amnesty i might ad.... walk the plank matey
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 7, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
easy
he was traded to the T Wolves for their draft pick (because they needed another PF)
plank walk averted!
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
I don't miss any of those guys specifically.
The real issue is simply that huge number of those guys who left without bringing equal talent back in return.
On that list, only Murphy/ Dunleavy (who actually had some very good seasons after he left), and Randolph/Turiaf brought back greater talent.
And even those are debatable. Turiaf for Lee gave up a lot of defense in favor of improving the offense. Dunleavy’s best post-trade season is better than Jackson’s best post-trade season, even if Jackson was a better fit for this team at the time.
And while none of those guys are “stars,” the simple truth is that you can’t bleed talent constantly and expect to remain competitive.
Randolph and Turiaf for Lee was a disaster.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
buike was in there too
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
He's out of the league
Irrelevant.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
sadly, stupid doctors
he was on fire to start that last season as well
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 7, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
He lead the league in dunks.
What a major bummer…
RIP Kyrylo Fesenko 2011-2011
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Feb 7, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t think I’ve ever seen a Warrior fan say anything bad about Buike…not many other guys I can say that about!
by Missing Barry on Feb 7, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
because Buike is great :)
and apparently he’ll never play for another NBA team (which sucks, but is good for keeping all thoughts toward him positive)
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
apparently he’ll never play for another NBA team
did he have a career ending injury?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
well, at least greatly career-delaying
It’s a really bad turn of events for Azubuike as his first patella tendon operation was botched. “They put his knee back together wrong,” a source told the New York Post. Now Azubuike has another long uphill climb to get back on the NBA radar.
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Hope he can get it right
I liked his attitude and personality.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
yeah me too
he was so even keel and cool
plus, he was actually not all that bad at basketball!
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think it was a disaster.
Two main problems with it:
1) A team which relies on Monta as much as we’ve relied on Monta is going to have a hard time getting the most out of Lee offensively, and could really use Turiaf’s help defense.
2) We overpaid Lee significantly.
If he had, say, Igoudala or Afflalo instead of Monta I’d vastly prefer Lee from a team-on-the-floor perspective. And if Lee’s contract were more reasonable (if, say, it wasn’t escalating) it wouldn’t be anywhere close to that big a deal.
But I really don’t think Monta and Lee make any sense at all as teammates. They have very incompitable games on both sides of the ball.
I think gov is still right in that it was and still is a disaster.. We could have a TON of cap space
and youth… and not be stuck in the midddle as we are now.. all that = Disasterous!
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 7, 2012 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
it would allow us to sign curry with a bigger deal and we also would suck a tad more
and have gotten better draft picks.. we would probably have cousins right now.. and the cap space to throw huge contracts at howard with
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 7, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
we can already sign curry to whatever deal we want...
and sucking more has nothing to do with cap space
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Speaking of hindsight
remember the talks preceding the ‘10 Draft regarding a Love for AR4 swap? I remember there were a lot who opposed it due to Rudolf’s “oozing gazelle” potential. :(
Wow Sleepy
You forgot Vlad rad? Without his late-second heroics last season would have been a disappointing 35 win season. Instead of a successful 10 game upswing to 36!
Until we get another PF who can shoot 3s at 40% I’ll be disappointed we let Vlad go.
Gotta be Baron
The only dude who got us into the playoffs
GSW '12 CHAMPS!
I liked him
if only because his name reminded me of my Texas relatives offering me a frosty coors
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 7, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Zarko Cabarkapa
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Baron
I fully believe if he stayed he and us would have never fallen off a cliff
RIP Al Davis
PS3 - agentpoop (dont ask why the name... tell me if your from a blog)
twitter - @nateoak5
"No difference maker in this draft taf. Sorry to be the 1 to break it to you." J-Ridah 1/23/12
I don't get that?
He was already showing signs of dogging it by the time he left. His defensive effort fell off a cliff that season (although some of that might be Nellie’s fault for the minutes he played him).
Remember his
1st season on the Clippers he was horrible and injury prone. Thats why he got traded, amnesty now Lin over shadow the return of BD in New York.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
by mykelala01 on Feb 7, 2012 3:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah…motivation hasn’t really been Baron’s strong suit over his career.
by Missing Barry on Feb 7, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
J Rich
would have given us another solid 3-4 seasons, averaging in the high teens in points and an emotional leader that we have lacked the last few season.
Why J-Rich??
I understand the appeal of J-Rich while he was a Warrior, any fan would. Started his career here, was a bonafide presence on our team for the six seasons, and was respected and loved by the Bay Area. However, if we’re talking snap trade AT THIS MOMENT for anyone on this list.. I would not vote for Jason, sorry.
The man is getting old: his knees are on the way out, is no where near as explosive as when he was a Dub, can’t score as much, doesn’t shoot as well from distance. He’s had some good years between when he was a Warrior and the present, but in his current form, I would take a couple other players above him.
No idea why people can't get over J-Rich considering we had SG's replace him for a fraction of the cost.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 2:45 PM PST reply actions
because in their minds, jrich left and then we didn't make the playoffs again
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
In reality, too. ;-)
Of course, the year after he left, we actually did a bit better team than in the We Believe year.
There will be no extra point!
You forget that the We Believe season started off with Murphy/Duneleavy on the roster. Another season of Richardson to reduce minutes played in the next season probably would have gotten us to the playoffs the following season.
Looks like that trade was the beginning of the end of our playoff hopes for the forseeable future.
Looks like that trade was the beginning of the end of our playoff hopes for the forseeable future.
and goes against all building a winning team concepts. You don’t trade away the players who just got you to the playoffs for the first time in years and try to replace them with a skinny rookie. They should have tried to move up in the draft and get Horford , that would have been the logical move to add what was missing from the team, or hold where they were and taken fresenko or gasolV2. .
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Wha??
It’s called dunking Gov. Or do you prefer watching Monta finish alley-oop layups on a losing team?
RIP Kyrylo Fesenko 2011-2011
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Feb 7, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Azubuike, Morrow, and Reggie were all more than capable of replacing Rich.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
oh man. one of the greatest polls of all time.
truly eyeopening. I wouldn’t be excited to have any of these guys right now really. (myself included),
These guys were all “good” players at their best. None of these guys ever were great.
I'd love to have you back.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
easy,don't hurt his feelings
I really want to believe that this guy actually is the Troy Murphy
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Pietrash
anyone?
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
by mykelala01 on Feb 7, 2012 3:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions
think so, let him go to Orlando
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 7, 2012 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
right now?
Rudolf for sure unless “other” could be Noah or horford?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 7, 2012 3:52 PM PST reply actions
You still want Rudolph now we got Udoh? Rudolph still a little bit out of control. He just benefit on Rubio lob passes. I rather have B Wright. Or between two Anthonys in Minnesota I rather choose Tolliver. At least he is a poor mans Harrington
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
by mykelala01 on Feb 7, 2012 3:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You still want Rudolph now we got Udoh?
Yeah, Rudolf has lots of potential if he still has those rookie hops.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
CJ Watson
No love for CJ? I’ll take a competent backup PG for 3/9. Nate’s been good but he’s walking after this year and I’d like additional insurance for Steph’s paper mache ankles.
Golden State of Mind: Unstoppable Baby!
Does Wilt Chamberlain count?
Probably few of us on this site were alive at the time, but letting go of Wilt Chamberlain has got to be the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made.
How about another poll for failed/missed Warrior draft picks? Or would that be too painful for us to re-hash? Patrick O’Bryant, anyone? Do I hear Chris Washburn?
"I was bangin' 7 gram rocks and finishing them 'cause that's how I roll." - Charlie Sheen
I pick Lin at this point hands down. Lin IS the point.. He can be Nash like verrrry sooon (in a homer kinda way)
Then Morrow or Reggie. or Randolph..or Broken Wing…
Lin will be in this league the longest going forward and we are 3 years away from possibly being a contender which makes anyone older a automatic NO for me..
Hear me now:
Lin will never average over 20mins a game. I wish him the best, but as of now, he’s an undersized 2 with an unreliable jumper.
RIP Kyrylo Fesenko 2011-2011
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Feb 7, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
his knack for driving to the hole and his control of his alley oop passes and his intensity on the defensive side of the ball
I would put him behind curry right now curry 25 lin 23 . More to the hot hand.. At least for THIS year…
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 7, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
plus "never" is a huge word man.. specially with Lins body control... he looks nash like to me
with a not as good jump shot
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Feb 7, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
So Nash minus all the things that make Nash so good. ;)
by Missing Barry on Feb 7, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Ha, gimme one Anthony Randolph, aka the next KG. Or Morrow, the next Ray Allen!
by Missing Barry on Feb 7, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
The Marcus Williams trade was quite possibly the biggest regret.
Colossal stupidity to the FO this off-season for using the amnesty on Bell and letting go of a bunch of a few quality players to try and sign a restricted free agent we should have known we would not get.
oh gad, this!!
Sleepy, can we include guys we wish we DIDN’T acquire?!
because if so, I’m with Brutus^2…Marcus Williams is my biggest recent regret for the franchise
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Reggie, Lin. JR, and Acie Law!
:-) Just kidding on Acie ….
i guess Bad Porn would get an instant ban as well
he has youtube clip of him traveling like 6 times in one isolation and then turning the ball over.
I think it has over 150 K views
I would say a motivated, in shape Baron which he was only in 2003 and 2007. But J-Rich man, there was no reason to get rid of him, all the other players you could’ve traded or instead of signing Corey you could’ve went after some replacement bigs
also I dont see J-Crossover on the list even though he was in Nellies doghouse after 2 weeks. He did win 6th man of the Year after he left and I still remember that sick ankle-breaker he had on Ray Allen in the Garden
I also assume you wont put Hunter, Cartier, or Rodney up there
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 7, 2012 6:17 PM PST reply actions
No one. The only thing this team needs right now is a monster in the middle. None of our ex's qualify.
Also I think Nellie circa 1991 would make this team so much better. Off topic, but true
You have all failed to see the obvious choice!
Stack Jack for the following reasons:
1) gun tattoos
2) actual guns
3) D. Howard wants to play with him.
booya!
RIP Kyrylo Fesenko 2011-2011
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Feb 7, 2012 6:35 PM PST reply actions
Don Nelson
Good night.
Platitude is everything.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 7, 2012 6:45 PM PST reply actions
David Lee should be on there as a reverse regret
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
yeah, I like the reverse regret idea
real toss up between Lee, Marcus Williams, and POB
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
hold on a minute
why isn’t Maggs in there?
J-RIDAH: Its not 1 player in this draft better than Monta or Lee. Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu. Andre Drummond could be good but he is not impressive at this point at all besides his size. This draft is hella overated.
(JaVale) Mcgee is better than anybody in this draft.
Anyone think it's hilarious that Dunleavy and Jackson are on the same team now?
haha, If they had Murphy and TMNT and Foyle for a center they could probably beat the warriors?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Jason Richardson
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
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